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Post by stomper0202 on Oct 23, 2019 8:17:18 GMT -6
I feel like you may have underplaced westfield. they are having a really good year I have seen most of the shows this year--TJ is better than Westfield imo. Not sure about Hickory (I personally think they are finding success partially off of legacy) I thought they looked really good at JMU. Also, their brass is some of the best i have seen from the school.
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Post by trumpet300 on Oct 29, 2019 11:27:08 GMT -6
Pennsylvania,
PA is difficult because of the way the competitions are all class based but the top 3 are definitely as follows:
1.Norwin 2.Kiski 3.Moon
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Oct 29, 2019 13:46:36 GMT -6
New York, based mostly on how these groups have fared the last 3-5 years:
1. Arlington (previous BOA Grand Nationals semifinalist; semi-consistent BOA regional participant; recent WGI Scholastic A winter guard finalist) 2. Baldwinsville (hasn't done BOA in years but absolutely should) 3. Cicero-North Syracuse (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; BOA Maryland 2019 regional finalist; recent WGI Scholastic Open and A winter guard medalist) 4. Liverpool (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; has done more USBands than BOA shows) 5. West Genesee (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; BOA Toledo 2019 regional finalist) 6. Victor (most notably placed top 5 at the BOA Dayton regional in 2016; BOA Toledo 2019 regional finalist; recent WGI Scholastic A winter guard medalist) 7. Medina (consistently one of the best small bands in the state) 8. Brentwood (don't know much about them!!) 9. East Syracuse-Minoa (just a small band that's been on the rise) 10. Mineola (previous WGI Scholastic A winter guard finalist)
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 29, 2019 19:38:09 GMT -6
New York, based mostly on how these groups have fared the last 3-5 years: 1. Arlington (previous BOA Grand Nationals semifinalist; semi-consistent BOA regional participant; recent WGI Scholastic A winter guard finalist) 2. Baldwinsville (hasn't done BOA in years but absolutely should) 3. Cicero-North Syracuse (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; BOA Maryland 2019 regional finalist; recent WGI Scholastic Open and A winter guard medalist) 4. Liverpool (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; has done more USBands than BOA shows) 5. West Genesee (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; BOA Toledo 2019 regional finalist) 6. Victor (most notably placed top 5 at the BOA Dayton regional in 2016; BOA Toledo 2019 regional finalist; recent WGI Scholastic A winter guard medalist) 7. Medina (consistently one of the best small bands in the state) 8. Brentwood (don't know much about them!!) 9. East Syracuse-Minoa (just a small band that's been on the rise) 10. Mineola (previous WGI Scholastic A winter guard finalist) What about Webster? (I had to!) Edit: In all seriousness, it's kind of amazing to see what's happened to what used to be such a strong area of the country in the marching arts. New York at one point had 4-5 GN finals-worthy bands, a couple actually coming close to winning in the late 80s. Even the surrounding states had some amazing quality programs back then. Pennsylvania had Kiski and Norwin at the top of their game, as well as Pocono Mountain (in my opinion, one of the most talented bands to never have attended a BOA event, though I'm not sure how they would have done as they were heavily influenced by drum corps). Connecticut also had a very strong Norwalk band that was pretty darn impressive in the mid-90s. At one point, they had a streak of roughly 15 consecutive state championships, and went to New York to challenge West Genessee at their state competition who also had a roughly 15-year championship streak going (which some would argue should have ended in the mid-90s to, you guessed it, Webster). West Genessee barely beat them one year, but Norwalk came back the next year to tie them for the New York championship. When they finally started attending BOA regionals and nationals, they had simmered a bit, coming in roughly 20-23 at GN semi's. Sorry. Old-timer going down memory lane. Nothing to see here!
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 29, 2019 21:46:07 GMT -6
My updated Top 10 for Indiana: 1) Avon 2) Carmel 3) Homestead 4) Fishers 5) Carroll 6) Castle 7) Center Grove 8) Lawrence T 9) Brownsburg 10) Concord
Bubble: Plainfield, Ben Davis
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Oct 30, 2019 14:26:30 GMT -6
New York, based mostly on how these groups have fared the last 3-5 years: 1. Arlington (previous BOA Grand Nationals semifinalist; semi-consistent BOA regional participant; recent WGI Scholastic A winter guard finalist) 2. Baldwinsville (hasn't done BOA in years but absolutely should) 3. Cicero-North Syracuse (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; BOA Maryland 2019 regional finalist; recent WGI Scholastic Open and A winter guard medalist) 4. Liverpool (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; has done more USBands than BOA shows) 5. West Genesee (previous BOA Grand Nationals finalist; BOA Toledo 2019 regional finalist) 6. Victor (most notably placed top 5 at the BOA Dayton regional in 2016; BOA Toledo 2019 regional finalist; recent WGI Scholastic A winter guard medalist) 7. Medina (consistently one of the best small bands in the state) 8. Brentwood (don't know much about them!!) 9. East Syracuse-Minoa (just a small band that's been on the rise) 10. Mineola (previous WGI Scholastic A winter guard finalist) What about Webster? (I had to!) Edit: In all seriousness, it's kind of amazing to see what's happened to what used to be such a strong area of the country in the marching arts. New York at one point had 4-5 GN finals-worthy bands, a couple actually coming close to winning in the late 80s. Even the surrounding states had some amazing quality programs back then. Pennsylvania had Kiski and Norwin at the top of their game, as well as Pocono Mountain (in my opinion, one of the most talented bands to never have attended a BOA event, though I'm not sure how they would have done as they were heavily influenced by drum corps). Connecticut also had a very strong Norwalk band that was pretty darn impressive in the mid-90s. At one point, they had a streak of roughly 15 consecutive state championships, and went to New York to challenge West Genessee at their state competition who also had a roughly 15-year championship streak going (which some would argue should have ended in the mid-90s to, you guessed it, Webster). West Genessee barely beat them one year, but Norwalk came back the next year to tie them for the New York championship. When they finally started attending BOA regionals and nationals, they had simmered a bit, coming in roughly 20-23 at GN semi's. Sorry. Old-timer going down memory lane. Nothing to see here! Hahaha go ahead and old-time away! (As someone who grow up in NY), I'm so interested in the rich history of New York marching band and even more so in its revitalization. There's been a steady stream of NY kids doing DCI/DCA/WGI and coming back to their programs with the information they've gained. There's also more and more directors networking with other designers and doing their research of what's happening on a national level. While I don't expect to ever see another NY band in Grand Nationals finals ever again, I do think we could have some new Norwalks/Trumbulls or even Kiskis/Norwins in NY. I think Arlington is already there, Liverpool beat Norwalk at a USBands show this season, and CNS is also on a rapid rise. If there were to be a NY band to win a BOA regional, though, I feel like it'd be Baldwinsville. They have grown so much and are really trying to forge their own voice vs mimicking what other groups look like. (Ironic I say that, though, since they have the Cadets' 2018 uniforms.) There's a video of them on a certain video-sharing website––I highly recommend taking a look at them!
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Post by trumpet300 on Oct 30, 2019 14:33:28 GMT -6
Arlington is a good program but there design is not really "BOA" design right now. With that being said, they placed well at the mid atlantic regional last year.
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Post by maximum068 on Oct 30, 2019 15:30:57 GMT -6
BOA Florida Rankings
1. Tarpon Springs 2. Park Vista 3. Stoneman Douglas 4. Timber Springs (Remember there is the one in Florida too) 5. West Broward 6. University 7. Cypress Creek 8. Windermere 9. A.D. Nease 10. Oviedo
Top 2 don’t need to be explained. Stoneman for the past 5 years have been barely above Timber Creek, and although Timber Creek did beat them in Prelims at Orlando Regional ( Creek was Penalized which dropped them from top 5 ), Stoneman did destroy them in finals so I gave them 3 and 4. West Broward has been right behind those two as well. Cypress Creek also sways behind and above West Broward from time to time. University’s surprise got them past Cypress for me since Cypress was there, but behind that, is the other two finalist bands from the Orlando Regional. Oviedo then rounds it out as they made FMBC State Finals Last year along Stoneman, TC, West Broward, and another band that I fail to remember.
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Post by pmk on Oct 30, 2019 19:58:50 GMT -6
Top 10 for illinois: 1. Lincoln-Way Community 2. O'Fallon Township 3. Marian Catholic 4. Lockport Township 5. Morton 6. Prospect 7. John Hersey 8. Downers Grove South 9. Belleville East 10. Normal Community
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 30, 2019 20:39:45 GMT -6
Hahaha go ahead and old-time away! (As someone who grow up in NY), I'm so interested in the rich history of New York marching band and even more so in its revitalization. There's been a steady stream of NY kids doing DCI/DCA/WGI and coming back to their programs with the information they've gained. There's also more and more directors networking with other designers and doing their research of what's happening on a national level. While I don't expect to ever see another NY band in Grand Nationals finals ever again, I do think we could have some new Norwalks/Trumbulls or even Kiskis/Norwins in NY. I think Arlington is already there, Liverpool beat Norwalk at a USBands show this season, and CNS is also on a rapid rise. If there were to be a NY band to win a BOA regional, though, I feel like it'd be Baldwinsville. They have grown so much and are really trying to forge their own voice vs mimicking what other groups look like. (Ironic I say that, though, since they have the Cadets' 2018 uniforms.) There's a video of them on a certain video-sharing website––I highly recommend taking a look at them! Just watched Baldwinsville and they were fantastic! I would argue they could have made top 5 at the Maryland regional this year based on that show. No idea where they came from, but that was very enjoyable and a bit out of character for a New York band based on what I've seen in recent years. I've been following the NYSFBC dating all the way back to the late 90s, so it's great to hear there's some effort going back into building some programs. There continues to be a very persistent WGI presence (including one school that doesn't even have a marching band and is in Scholastic World), so I'm also hopeful that carries over to the marching band world. I would create a list for New England schools, but very, very few schools compete (or have ever competed) in BOA, so not sure it's worth it. The few things I will say are: King Philip is unfortunately no longer at the level they used to be. You can find their 2018 show online. They were never exactly huge (usually hovered around 90-100 total members), but the ensemble sound and level of talent they had for a band that size was, in my opinion, only exceeded by one other band of that size (Tarpon Springs, who also had roughly 90 members at that time). They are about 70-75 total members now, and while still a good program in the area, they aren't performing at the level they were back then. Also, like many bands in Massachusetts, they have historically also used many middle school students in their high school band programs, so dropping down to that size is tough to see as it's unfortunately difficult to recover when you're already dipping into your feeder program for membership. Not sure if videos are allowed on these forums (mods, feel free to delete if not), but I'll post a couple of videos for those who have no idea who King Philip is: King Philip Marching Band 2000 - In my opinion, one of the biggest snubs from GN finals in the late 90s/early 2000s. Their identity at the time was 100% classic music driven with very straight-forward programming, and lots of local drum corps folks on staff (back when East Coast Jazz was in action and when lots of folks from the Cadets, Crossmen and Boston Crusaders were actually from MA). In prelims, they finished 8th overall across the two days, with the third highest visual score from both prelims rounds combined. The semi's panel wasn't as fond of them, with their score dropping over four points from 90.35 to 86.25, leaving them 1.75 out of finals. That would have been a phenomenal accomplishment for a New England band, especially one fielding only 45-50 winds in total. King Philip Indoor Percussion 2000 - Again, just one man's opinion, but this is one of the greatest high school marching percussion ensembles to ever exist. What they were attempting back then was unheard of (the tenor solo at 3:49? Yeah, good luck transcribing that, never mind playing it). The talent level was absolutely bonkers, especially considering that just the prior year they showed up to WGI with 4 of their 8 batterie percussionists still attending middle school and finishing in 5th place in Scholastic World and a point away from the championship. I believe the 2000 championship version of their percussion ensemble had only 1 or 2 seniors in the batterie, and the ridiculous tenor line consisted of a Freshman and Sophomore (one ended up being the Cadets center tenor for a number of years, including his age-out performance of "The Zone" in 2005). They came by my school at the beginning of the season to borrow our costumes from our 1997 show, but I didn't get to see them until WGI that year. I remember performing right before them at WGI prelims that year and thinking we had a shot at the first PSW three-peat, then hearing them after us from behind the curtain and knowing there was absolutely nothing we (or anybody else in the country) could do to even come close to them (I was right... we were many points away and didn't stand a chance). Out in Connecticut, Trumbull has also decreased in size the past couple of seasons and dropped a division locally. I thought for sure dropping a division would mean easy wins for them in New England, but that hasn't been the case. Norwalk continues to be at the top for CT, but are also not near the level they were in the 90s/early 2000s. Liverpool attended a show in Connecticut this year and beat Trumbull in their division, something I never imagined happening. I would love for a marching arts revitalization in New England as well, but so far I think most programs are happy with being status quo. I don't think we'll see any new programs attempting BOA in the near future.
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Post by whosaidit on Nov 3, 2019 13:47:38 GMT -6
Updated Oklahoma rankings post OBA Championships 6A1:6A2(3A/4A) 1. Broken Arrow 2. Union 3.Jenks 4. Mustang 5. Owasso 6. Bixby 7. Edmond North 8. Southmoore 9. Choctaw 10. Westmoore 11. Stillwater 12. Edmond Memorial
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Post by piomello2469 on Nov 3, 2019 14:06:49 GMT -6
Here’s the top 25 from MCBA date finals in Detroit. Taken with a grain of salt as each flight at state finals has a different judging panel.
1.) Rockford-94.325 (I) 2.) Jenison-93.475 (II) 3.) Walled Lake Central-93.225 (II) 4.) Lake Orion-92.550 (I) 5.) Lakeshore-91.300 (IV) 6.) Reeths Puffer-91.275 (III) 7.) Ferndale-90.875 (IV) 8.) Byron Center-90.425 (III) 9.) DeWitt-90.400 (III) 10.) L’anse Creuse-90.300 (II) 11.) PCEP-90.225 (I) 12.) Grand Blanc-89.450 (I) ——————————————— 13.) Novi-89.300 (I) 14.) Kent City-89.225 (V) 15.) South Lyon-88.850 (II) 16.) Grandville-88.825 (I) 17.) Godwin Heights-88.000 (V) 18.) Linden-87.850 (IV) 19.) Flushing-87.800 (II) 20.) Watervliet-87.250 (V) 21.) Durand-87.100 (V) 22.) Marysville-86.963 (IV) 23.) Milford-86.450 (II) 24.) Northview-86.375 (III) 25.) Lakeland-86.300 (I)
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Post by mtnxdrew on Nov 3, 2019 14:08:14 GMT -6
Michigan:
1. Rockford 2. Jenison 3. Plymouth-Canton EP 4. Walled Lake Central 5. Reeths-Puffer 6. Lake Orion 7. Byron Center 8. Dewitt 9. Grand Blanc 10. Novi 11. L’Anse Creuse 12. Lakeshore
7-10 can be switched up. Feel confident about 1-6.
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Post by asdfghjkl on Nov 11, 2019 9:56:17 GMT -6
Arkansas Top 10 (Post State Competition)
1. Bentonville 2. Lake Hamilton 3. Van Buren 4. Paragould 5. Arkandelphia 6. Fayetteville 7. Bryant 8. Siloam Springs 9. Lakeside 10. Greenwood
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Post by ttuske on Nov 15, 2019 17:21:50 GMT -6
Arkansas Top 10 (Post State Competition) 1. Bentonville 2. Lake Hamilton 3. Van Buren 4. Paragould 5. Arkandelphia 6. Fayetteville 7. Bryant 8. Siloam Springs 9. Lakeside 10. Greenwood Think this is a little wrong. Scores according to the Official Recap 1. Lake Hamilton:92.2 2. Bentonville:91.68 3. Van Buren:89.82 4. Arkandelphia:88.56 5. Paragould:88.54 6. Fayetteville:86.96 7. Bryant:86.2 8. Siloam Springs:85.96 9. Ozark: 85.64 10. Greenwood:85.56 11. Pocahontas:85.52 12. Lakeside:85.44
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Post by revoidance on Nov 15, 2019 21:09:44 GMT -6
Arkansas Top 10 (Post State Competition) 1. Bentonville 2. Lake Hamilton 3. Van Buren 4. Paragould 5. Arkandelphia 6. Fayetteville 7. Bryant 8. Siloam Springs 9. Lakeside 10. Greenwood Think this is a little wrong. Scores according to the Official Recap 1. Lake Hamilton:92.2 2. Bentonville:91.68 3. Van Buren:89.82 4. Arkandelphia:88.56 5. Paragould:88.54 6. Fayetteville:86.96 7. Bryant:86.2 8. Siloam Springs:85.96 9. Ozark: 85.64 10. Greenwood:85.56 11. Pocahontas:85.52 12. Lakeside:85.44 I will say that Lake Hamilton was judged in its own 6A category against other 6As and Bentonville against 7As. I do understand your reasoning, but if you put Bentonville and Lake Hamilton head on, I believe Bentonville would edge out Lake Hamilton as of right now (subject to change per year).
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Post by dhs27 on Nov 16, 2019 13:29:55 GMT -6
2019 rankings by state finals results 1. Avon 2. Carmel 3. Homestead 4.Castle 5. Brownsburg 6. Lawerence 7. Fishers 8. Center Grove 9. Penn 10. Caroll
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Post by ttuske on Nov 16, 2019 17:20:23 GMT -6
Think this is a little wrong. Scores according to the Official Recap 1. Lake Hamilton:92.2 2. Bentonville:91.68 3. Van Buren:89.82 4. Arkandelphia:88.56 5. Paragould:88.54 6. Fayetteville:86.96 7. Bryant:86.2 8. Siloam Springs:85.96 9. Ozark: 85.64 10. Greenwood:85.56 11. Pocahontas:85.52 12. Lakeside:85.44 I will say that Lake Hamilton was judged in its own 6A category against other 6As and Bentonville against 7As. I do understand your reasoning, but if you put Bentonville and Lake Hamilton head on, I believe Bentonville would edge out Lake Hamilton as of right now (subject to change per year). That is possible but the judges were the same for every class. And based on scores were lower for for the other classes I would say the judging criteria was independent of classification. Meaning all the classes were judged the same. But it variable based on year.
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Post by indyguardmom on Nov 17, 2019 9:58:36 GMT -6
2019 rankings by state finals results 1. Avon 2. Carmel 3. Homestead 4.Castle 5. Brownsburg 6. Lawerence 7. Fishers 8. Center Grove 9. Penn 10. Caroll After Grand Nationals, here's how I would have it: 1. Avon 2. Carmel 3. Homestead 4/5. Fishers/Castle -- hard to tell because they have gone back and forth this season and Castle didn't attend Grand Nats 6. Lawrence Township 7. Brownsburg 8. Center Grove 9. Penn 10. Carroll Although I still think Carroll should be ranked higher, but they didn't attend Grand Nats, so it's hard to move them up. And with Ben Davis making semifinals over Center Grove at Grand Nats, an argument could be made for their inclusion in the top ten.
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Post by ohbandmom on Nov 18, 2019 22:06:05 GMT -6
Milford is a very strong band being left out here. Yeah, forgot to mention them too. They wouldn’t make my top 10, but definitely a bubble band. I’d put them at rather 11 or 12. Not as big as Fairfield but definitely more clean. I think one more to throw in there after this Grand Nats is Forest Hills. They are definitely an up and coming group, I think.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Nov 20, 2019 18:46:14 GMT -6
Arizona:
1. Mountain Ridge 2. Desert Vista 3. Catalina Foothills 4. Millennium 5. Casa Grande 6. Rincon-University 7. Corona del Sol 8. Williams Field 9. Sandra Day O’Connor 10. Highland
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Post by dhs on Nov 29, 2019 18:24:56 GMT -6
I feel like you may have underplaced westfield. they are having a really good year I have seen most of the shows this year--TJ is better than Westfield imo. Not sure about Hickory (I personally think they are finding success partially off of legacy) In 2018, Bassett and Madison were essentially tied. 2019, definitely Madison (though they underperformed at grand Nats. — probably lack of sleep. I know westfields (parents at least) are struggling with what it takes to beat Madison.
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