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Post by dbbandalum on Oct 28, 2022 17:31:38 GMT -6
Ever since I've been observing BOA (around 2013) I've noticed the top 3-4 bands at Grand nats jump around 1-2 points between semi finals and finals. For example; in 2019, Vandy jumped from a 95.8 in prelims to a 97.15 in Semis. And just last year Carmel went from a 95.5 in prelims, to a 96.62 in semis, to a 97.05 in Finals. How does this happen so consistently? Do these bands hold back until finals? Are there significant changes made during a rehearsal before finals? Or is it simply unintentional score inflation?
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 28, 2022 19:22:10 GMT -6
Ever since I've been observing BOA (around 2013) I've noticed the top 3-4 bands at Grand nats jump around 1-2 points between semi finals and finals. For example; in 2019, Vandy jumped from a 95.8 in prelims to a 97.15 in Semis. And just last year Carmel went from a 95.5 in prelims, to a 96.62 in semis, to a 97.05 in Finals. How does this happen so consistently? Do these bands hold back until finals? Are there significant changes made during a rehearsal before finals? Or is it simply unintentional score inflation? Some of it comes from the difference in adjudication panel assignments, some from the greater latitude in relative scoring when there are a smaller number of groups. And yes, many groups that expect to make finals will keep something under wraps to be revealed in finals. Some others make the addition between prelims and semifinals. |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 29, 2022 3:37:21 GMT -6
Yes hewhowaits summed it up nicely. I will expand on that a bit. I think given the large number of bands being judged on the two prelim panels, the judges may be a little less generous with the top level bands, perhaps the feeling of leaving some room at the top. Also, the main point of prelims is to get into Semi Finals. Bands that are finalist locks may treat the Prelims more like a run through and yes in some instances bring out some added frills in Semi Finals. In Semi Finals, I think it is easier for the judges to be a bit more generous with rewarding the stronger performances. The top level bands are also bringing their A game as they have a large audience and they are not just competing for a slot in finals but also for Class Championship titles. Then of course in finals, with just 12 bands, you see a subtle tendency among the judges to be a little bit more generous at the top (not always as shown by Hebron in 2015 and LD Bell in 2007). During the 1980s, long before the semi finals format and before the prelims was split into three judging panels per class, there was a huge difference between prelims and finals score. The point spread in finals increased dramatically, Bands at the top would see their scores go up and bands toward the bottom of the finals group would see their scores go down, in many instances by several points. You really could not compare finals scores to prelims. |
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Post by pitplayer19 on Oct 29, 2022 9:07:44 GMT -6
This can go the other way too, if a more strict judge moves to a category that is weighed more in between prelims and finals (for normal regionals, not GN). Sometimes judges are just weird.
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