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Post by yayband914 on Oct 2, 2023 13:05:55 GMT -6
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Post by yayband914 on Oct 2, 2023 13:20:17 GMT -6
Aaaaaaaand now the post is gone. Hmmmm…
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 2, 2023 17:42:01 GMT -6
Subscribe for $500 a month!!
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Oct 3, 2023 8:22:49 GMT -6
Subscribe for $500 a month!! Profit distribution: Tresona- 94.99% Box5- 5% All Composers- 0.01% |
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Post by aiden on Oct 3, 2023 16:52:32 GMT -6
Subscribe for $500 a month!! Profit distribution: Tresona- 94.99% Box5- 5% All Composers- 0.01% The composers deserve more than that measly 0.01% |
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Post by dbalash on Oct 3, 2023 17:36:01 GMT -6
Profit distribution: Tresona- 94.99% Box5- 5% All Composers- 0.01% The composers deserve more than that measly 0.01% Yeah, but do they get it? Nope! |
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Post by bandirectorman on Oct 4, 2023 10:56:17 GMT -6
Hopefully this allows for all available content to be available (from the 70s/early 80s - 2023). |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 4, 2023 11:08:41 GMT -6
Hopefully this allows for all available content to be available (from the 70s/early 80s - 2023). As awesome as that woud be, I'd be shocked. Assuming that something does become available I envision we'd see the last ~10 years or so to start with the suggestion that earlier years will be added at some point. SPOILER: They won't be. |
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Post by philodemus on Oct 4, 2023 11:14:40 GMT -6
I mean, no one in the 1970s, 80s, etc. even thought about getting copyright permission, and since the statute of limitations doesn't kick in until after the violation is discovered, putting that information up on the internet in any capacity is just inviting opportunistic vultures to swoop in and bankrupt non-profit youth organizations noble, civic minded individuals to nobly protect the sacred rights of artists.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 4, 2023 12:13:01 GMT -6
I mean, no one in the 1970s, 80s, etc. even thought about getting copyright permission, and since the statute of limitations doesn't kick in until after the violation is discovered, putting that information up on the internet in any capacity is just inviting opportunistic vultures to swoop in and bankrupt non-profit youth organizations noble, civic minded individuals to nobly protect the sacred rights of artists. Think of how much money would be owed to Chuck Mangione for those 70's shows. I think my HS band alone could fund his retirement. |
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 4, 2023 12:50:37 GMT -6
I mean, no one in the 1970s, 80s, etc. even thought about getting copyright permission, and since the statute of limitations doesn't kick in until after the violation is discovered, putting that information up on the internet in any capacity is just inviting opportunistic vultures to swoop in and bankrupt non-profit youth organizations noble, civic minded individuals to nobly protect the sacred rights of artists. Think of how much money would be owed to Chuck Mangione for those 70's shows. I think my HS band alone could fund his retirement. Given that Mangione recently showed up to be honored by Drum Corps Associates, he does at least know that his work has been covered extensively in drum corps and marching bands. And based on my experience in theatre (somewhat limited because we don't produce many shows with music), I'm not there's that much money to be had. Some time ago, we produced a new jukebox musical about a very well known and long dead 1960s singer who mostly covered other people's music, and we had to chase down the rights to 20 songs, many of which were held by different individuals or companies. (This was pre-internet, and there was no easy way to find this information.) What we negotiated was that the copyright holders, collectively, would get something like 2% of the gross ticket sales. (Playwrights typically get 5%-10% of the gross sales, less certain standard deductions.) And then that 2% was divided by 20, and that's how much each copyright holder got per song. So if the show grossed $500,000 (which would have been a very good number at that time), then the copyright holders would get a total of $10,000, which would then be divided into 20 $500 chunks, and thus someone who held the rights to one song would get $500 and someone who held the rights to five songs would get $2,500. We didn't sell CD or videos, but something similar would have been arranged if we did. What was BOA charging to buy videos? Start with that, estimate how many copies were sold, and do the math accordingly? |
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Post by dbalash on Oct 4, 2023 13:04:26 GMT -6
What was BOA charging to buy videos? Start with that, estimate how many copies were sold, and do the math accordingly? Back in ye olden days (2003), Nationals DVD's were 119 for finals. Regionals were $79. |
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 4, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -6
What was BOA charging to buy videos? Start with that, estimate how many copies were sold, and do the math accordingly? Back in ye olden days (2003), Nationals DVD's were 119 for finals. Regionals were $79. $119 for 12 bands, each of whom probably averaged 3-4 pieces of music? Let's call it 4 songs each. Since there's no playwright, suppose the music rights should account for 10% of gross sales. So that's $11.90 per DVD for music. Divided by 48, that makes $0.247 per song. If BOA sold 500 DVDs per band, that $1,487.50 per song to be paid out in total. I think the question is: was that enough for copyright holders or were they demanding a guaranteed minimum that was more than that? And if BOA's profit margin was too small to allow for that, then increase the cost per DVD by $12. |
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Post by philodemus on Oct 4, 2023 13:38:03 GMT -6
Here’s the thing: it’s rarely the artists/composers who are demanding more money. It’s their self appointed protectors.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 8, 2023 8:57:40 GMT -6
Here’s the thing: it’s rarely the artists/composers who are demanding more money. It’s their self appointed protectors. The way I've always heard it is that they are obligated to protect the copyrights, regardless of the use case. A composer might not care a whit if a HS band plays their stuff but if they don't actively pursue protection there then they'd forfiet the ability to protect it in other cases where it does matter. So they need to protect it everywhere, or lose it. Or so I've been led to believe. |
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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 30, 2023 14:41:14 GMT -6
It’s here!!! $30 per month for an all access pass!
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