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Post by dallasmavericks on Oct 30, 2023 7:36:51 GMT -6
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Post by dallasmavericks on Oct 30, 2023 7:39:16 GMT -6
This is something at least the rest of the season I'd like to do, we'll see if time permitting and whether the worst possible outcomes of public fan polls happen and this will discontinue but for now we'll see what happens.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 30, 2023 9:08:43 GMT -6
For those who will be participating, don't forget the following from this weekend (at a minimum):
OBA championships
UIL 5A Area contests
PIMBA championships
SCBDA championships
CBA championships
WBA events
ISSMA State Finals
MCBA championships
MTSU Contest of Champions
etc.
Remember - it's not just BOA.
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Post by dallasmavericks on Oct 31, 2023 12:16:13 GMT -6
Week 8 Forum/Fan Top 32 Rankings!
Thanks to everyone who voted in this week's poll. Lot's of variation in responses, but that just means there's a lot of different opinions when it comes to marching band which is what makes this activity so great! Looking forward to next week!
1. Avon, IN
2. Hebron, TX
3. Carmel, IN
4. Tarpon Springs, FL
5. The Woodlands, TX
6. Vandegrift, TX
7. Marcus, TX
8. William Mason, OH
9. Broken Arrow, OK
10. Blue Springs, MO
11. Ronald Reagan, TX
12. Flower Mound, TX
13. Rouse, TX
14. Brownsburg, IN
15. Vista Ridge, TX
16. Cedar Park, TX
17. Coppell, TX
18. Pearland, TX
19. Wakeland, TX
20. Dobyns-Bennett, TN
21. Round Rock, TX
22. Wando, SC
23. O'Fallon Township, IL
24. American Fork, UT
25. Bridgeland, TX
26. Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX
27. Bentonville, AR
28. Dripping Springs, TX
29. Fishers, IN
30. Westwood, TX
31. Cy-Fair, TX
32. Jenks, OK
First Out: Prosper, TX
Next 10 (alphabetical):
Ayala, CA
Carroll, IN
Cedar Ridge, TX
Dartmouth, MA
Homestead, IN
Keller, TX
Owasso, OK
Rosemount, MN
Union, OK
Waxahachie, TX
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 31, 2023 12:38:58 GMT -6
Seems the fan poll is largely in agreement with the official rankings.
In fan Top 32+1 but not official - Dripping Springs (28) and Prosper (first out) - both in official next 10
In official Top 32+1 but not fan - Waxahachie (31) and Rosemount (32) - both in fan next 10
Other difference - fan vote has Carroll and Homestead in next ten, while official has Lake Travis and L.D. Bell - it's another Indiana/Texas thing going on there
I suspect this isn't what many expected to see.
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Post by dallasmavericks on Oct 31, 2023 12:52:36 GMT -6
I suspect recency bias of ISSMA State finals may had some effect. This week with UIL and San Antonio Super Regional I expect a big influx of Texas groups into those slots.
Overall, I agree it’s nice to see a broad similarity between the fan poll and official rankings with slight variations. Much like sports polls where teams are grouped similarly but with differing individual spots from poll to poll.
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Post by es203 on Oct 31, 2023 19:25:52 GMT -6
I will proudly say that I had Tarpon #1 lol
Honestly feel their win against BA by nearly a point should've given them that ranking after Orlando
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Post by ccbop on Oct 31, 2023 19:49:52 GMT -6
I’m excited to see if the MSBA championships this weekend will change anything
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Post by TrumpetMom on Nov 1, 2023 10:38:42 GMT -6
I think this list is fun, but would potentially be more fun if they could be ranked by actual fan reactions at competitions. I know everyone who ranks are fans, but I think the list would be completely different. A lot of marching band fans do not watch feet, or know if music is out of key. It would be a ranking of fan reactions to performances. I would think O'Fallon or even Fishers would be higher and some bands like Millard West (they get people standing and clapping) might make an appearance.
One of my personal favorites since Lucy has been Franklin, TN, and they're doing a Dolly Parton show this year. Who doesn't love Dolly?
Just a fun two cents.
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Post by guy on Nov 1, 2023 20:18:32 GMT -6
I think this list is fun, but would potentially be more fun if they could be ranked by actual fan reactions at competitions. I know everyone who ranks are fans, but I think the list would be completely different. A lot of marching band fans do not watch feet, or know if music is out of key. It would be a ranking of fan reactions to performances. I would think O'Fallon or even Fishers would be higher and some bands like Millard West (they get people standing and clapping) might make an appearance. One of my personal favorites since Lucy has been Franklin, TN, and they're doing a Dolly Parton show this year. Who doesn't love Dolly? Just a fun two cents. I love your outlook! I agree! And now I want to see Franklin  |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 2, 2023 5:02:21 GMT -6
I think this list is fun, but would potentially be more fun if they could be ranked by actual fan reactions at competitions. I know everyone who ranks are fans, but I think the list would be completely different. A lot of marching band fans do not watch feet, or know if music is out of key. It would be a ranking of fan reactions to performances. I would think O'Fallon or even Fishers would be higher and some bands like Millard West (they get people standing and clapping) might make an appearance. One of my personal favorites since Lucy has been Franklin, TN, and they're doing a Dolly Parton show this year. Who doesn't love Dolly? Just a fun two cents. This would be interesting, but it would be difficult to accumulate sufficient information about fan reactions because you have to be present to separate the (almost scripted) reactions of the performing band's parents from the true crowd reaction. And how does one normalize for the reaction of a crowd of 200 at 7:00 a.m. vs. the reaction of 5000 at 7:00 p.m.? |
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Post by 18Saxes on Nov 2, 2023 7:08:13 GMT -6
I think this list is fun, but would potentially be more fun if they could be ranked by actual fan reactions at competitions. I know everyone who ranks are fans, but I think the list would be completely different. A lot of marching band fans do not watch feet, or know if music is out of key. It would be a ranking of fan reactions to performances. I would think O'Fallon or even Fishers would be higher and some bands like Millard West (they get people standing and clapping) might make an appearance. One of my personal favorites since Lucy has been Franklin, TN, and they're doing a Dolly Parton show this year. Who doesn't love Dolly? Just a fun two cents. This would be interesting, but it would be difficult to accumulate sufficient information about fan reactions because you have to be present to separate the (almost scripted) reactions of the performing band's parents from the true crowd reaction. And how does one normalize for the reaction of a crowd of 200 at 7:00 a.m. vs. the reaction of 5000 at 7:00 p.m.? Agreed, the idea seems interesting, but it’d be nearly impossible for an individual to pull off without the support/assistance the of competition host organization. |
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Post by es203 on Nov 2, 2023 8:57:08 GMT -6
I think this list is fun, but would potentially be more fun if they could be ranked by actual fan reactions at competitions. I know everyone who ranks are fans, but I think the list would be completely different. A lot of marching band fans do not watch feet, or know if music is out of key. It would be a ranking of fan reactions to performances. I would think O'Fallon or even Fishers would be higher and some bands like Millard West (they get people standing and clapping) might make an appearance. One of my personal favorites since Lucy has been Franklin, TN, and they're doing a Dolly Parton show this year. Who doesn't love Dolly? Just a fun two cents. This would be interesting, but it would be difficult to accumulate sufficient information about fan reactions because you have to be present to separate the (almost scripted) reactions of the performing band's parents from the true crowd reaction. And how does one normalize for the reaction of a crowd of 200 at 7:00 a.m. vs. the reaction of 5000 at 7:00 p.m.? Someone with a decibel meter, 10 rows up on the 50. Gets the volume of the band, which is coincidentally what usually causes the loudest cheers. Also is right in the middle of usually the densest part of the crowd. Speaking of, I would love for someone to park on the 50 with a decibel meter at SASR or GN, just to measure which band is the loudest. I have a feeling we would see some interesting results. |
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 2, 2023 9:15:23 GMT -6
This would be interesting, but it would be difficult to accumulate sufficient information about fan reactions because you have to be present to separate the (almost scripted) reactions of the performing band's parents from the true crowd reaction. And how does one normalize for the reaction of a crowd of 200 at 7:00 a.m. vs. the reaction of 5000 at 7:00 p.m.? Someone with a decibel meter, 10 rows up on the 50. Gets the volume of the band, which is coincidentally what usually causes the loudest cheers. Also is right in the middle of usually the densest part of the crowd. Speaking of, I would love for someone to park on the 50 with a decibel meter at SASR or GN, just to measure which band is the loudest. I have a feeling we would see some interesting results. Playing devils advocate here but biggest and loudest is not always the best quality. Example: Rouse is a smaller program but they always produce some of the richest and most cleanest (in tune) sounds in the country. Forte or piano. When sections are in tune and pumping out those powerful sounds the decibel level just doesn’t matter. Your soul literally vibrates internally when those special programs produce these level of fortissimo sounds ❤️. It’s all about being center of tone. Being in tune just pierces and carries distance. Let’s be honest most bands sound fantastic in an indoor arena but why do a limited of elite programs sound wonderful both in an outdoor and indoor performance? My humble opinion it is because of in- tune- nation 😂🇺🇸 |
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Post by 18Saxes on Nov 2, 2023 10:52:20 GMT -6
Being in tune as an ensemble is a massive factor for how loud a band is.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 2, 2023 13:51:37 GMT -6
Being in tune as an ensemble is a massive factor for how loud a band is. My ears have experienced far too many cases of out-of-tune bands and drum corps being very loud. Often, groups that are musical at forte become less and less so as they progress through fortissimo, fortississimo, and beyond. On the other hand, there are also bands that don't seem to be able to play in tune as well when the volume diminishes because it's harder to hide weak players at mezzo piano. |
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Post by es203 on Nov 2, 2023 13:53:10 GMT -6
Someone with a decibel meter, 10 rows up on the 50. Gets the volume of the band, which is coincidentally what usually causes the loudest cheers. Also is right in the middle of usually the densest part of the crowd. Speaking of, I would love for someone to park on the 50 with a decibel meter at SASR or GN, just to measure which band is the loudest. I have a feeling we would see some interesting results. Playing devils advocate here but biggest and loudest is not always the best quality. Example: Rouse is a smaller program but they always produce some of the richest and most cleanest (in tune) sounds in the country. Forte or piano. When sections are in tune and pumping out those powerful sounds the decibel level just doesn’t matter. Your soul literally vibrates internally when those special programs produce these level of fortissimo sounds ❤️. It’s all about being center of tone. Being in tune just pierces and carries distance. Let’s be honest most bands sound fantastic in an indoor arena but why do a limited of elite programs sound wonderful both in an outdoor and indoor performance? My humble opinion it is because of in- tune- nation 😂🇺🇸 I was thinking exactly about Rouse writing my message funny enough. The first video I saw of them this year, my jaw dropped at that opening hit. They don’t have the biggest brass section but DANG are they loud. Great intonation and well supported air goes a long way. |
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Post by 18Saxes on Nov 2, 2023 17:34:53 GMT -6
Being in tune as an ensemble is a massive factor for how loud a band is. My ears have experienced far too many cases of out-of-tune bands and drum corps being very loud. Often, groups that are musical at forte become less and less so as they progress through fortissimo, fortississimo, and beyond. On the other hand, there are also bands that don't seem to be able to play in tune as well when the volume diminishes because it's harder to hide weak players at mezzo piano. Don't get me wrong, groups can absolutely play loud while being out of tune. It's just that by being in tune, you will be louder than if you were out of tune, everything else equal. |
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 2, 2023 18:15:27 GMT -6
Being in tune as an ensemble is a massive factor for how loud a band is. My ears have experienced far too many cases of out-of-tune bands and drum corps being very loud. Often, groups that are musical at forte become less and less so as they progress through fortissimo, fortississimo, and beyond. On the other hand, there are also bands that don't seem to be able to play in tune as well when the volume diminishes because it's harder to hide weak players at mezzo piano. I agree 💯. I love me some Gaines design and Carmel Marching but,…………. Let the author tar and featuring begin 😡🙃 |
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Post by es203 on Nov 2, 2023 20:10:53 GMT -6
My ears have experienced far too many cases of out-of-tune bands and drum corps being very loud. Often, groups that are musical at forte become less and less so as they progress through fortissimo, fortississimo, and beyond. On the other hand, there are also bands that don't seem to be able to play in tune as well when the volume diminishes because it's harder to hide weak players at mezzo piano. I agree 💯. I love me some Gaines design and Carmel Marching but,…………. Let the author tar and featuring begin 😡🙃 Knew it was coming |
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Post by allthingschaotic on Nov 2, 2023 20:31:36 GMT -6
My ears have experienced far too many cases of out-of-tune bands and drum corps being very loud. Often, groups that are musical at forte become less and less so as they progress through fortissimo, fortississimo, and beyond. On the other hand, there are also bands that don't seem to be able to play in tune as well when the volume diminishes because it's harder to hide weak players at mezzo piano. I agree 💯. I love me some Gaines design and Carmel Marching but,…………. Let the author tar and featuring begin 😡🙃 There's not much you can do about the cold up there. |
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 3, 2023 11:48:17 GMT -6
I will proudly say that I had Tarpon #1 lol Honestly feel their win against BA by nearly a point should've given them that ranking after Orlando There's a split opinion about what the Tarpon/BA results mean. Some agree with you that should catapult Tarpon up in the rankings, others think it should drop BA down significantly. That disagreement is why neither group is seeing a significant movement in either direction. |
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