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Post by LeanderMomma on Nov 11, 2019 17:34:23 GMT -6
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 14, 2019 11:57:10 GMT -6
With the Indiana seasons over for the decade, I must ask what was everyones favorite moment(s) from this decade of Indiana marching?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 14, 2019 12:14:18 GMT -6
With the Indiana seasons over for the decade, I must ask what was everyones favorite moment(s) from this decade of Indiana marching? Homestead shocking everyone with a State Championship in 2011. Whether you were a Homestead fan or not there's no denying that it was of the biggest moments in Lucas Oil as far as ISSMA goes.
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Post by sethb811 on Nov 14, 2019 12:33:50 GMT -6
Homestead winning State in 2011 was one of those "you had to be there" moments. That crowd was ELECTRIC! I swear half the crowd was Homestead alumni and they willed that band to a State Championship. Unforgettable moment!
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 14, 2019 12:41:27 GMT -6
Homesteads victory was and is my all time favorite upset. I have a favorite moment from every year, 2010: Avon winning the season. 2011: Homesteads upset. 2012: Jaspers huge victory. 2013: Concordia Lutherans state title. 2014: Taylor placing third at state for class D. 2015: Concord winning the battle against Greenwood. 2016: Fishers making its first ever state finals apperance. 2017: I have two. Portage High Schools preformance at Homestead which is my favorite preformance. And Whitko the little band that could that made Class D state with only 22 members and no Drum Major or Color Guard. 2018: Edgewood dominating Class C. 2019: After finishing second in 2016, not making state in 2017, finishing second in 2018, Greenfield Central breaking the odd year curse, and winning the 2019 Class B State Title. What has gone? I will say the one thing I miss is Gibson Southern. It broke my heart when in 2012 when they missed out on state. I miss them and im hoping for a comeback within the next decade.
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Post by angelee on Nov 14, 2019 16:14:14 GMT -6
Homestead winning State in 2011 was one of those "you had to be there" moments. That crowd was ELECTRIC! I swear half the crowd was Homestead alumni and they willed that band to a State Championship. Unforgettable moment! I flew in from Oregon to be there for Barber’s 25th that year. The crowd was absolutely loaded with alumni from literally all over the world. It was a weekend I’ll never forget.
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Post by thewho on Nov 14, 2019 16:23:24 GMT -6
This is my first decade of band . I'll have to jump back in when I have the time, there's been countless moments.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 15, 2019 8:29:03 GMT -6
Now my question is who from Indiana will make GN finals? I think its safe to say Carmel and Avon will make it, but will Homestead make it and who else has a shot to make it?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 15, 2019 8:34:32 GMT -6
Now my question is who from Indiana will make GN finals? I think its safe to say Carmel and Avon will make it, but will Homestead make it and who else has a shot to make it? Probably just Avon and Carmel. But I oddly feel like the next best shot comes from Lawrence Twp. The show is different and they play quite well, which is essential this year. I don't think Fishers has enough to stand out. Homestead will be buried by music.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Nov 15, 2019 8:37:29 GMT -6
Now my question is who from Indiana will make GN finals? I think its safe to say Carmel and Avon will make it, but will Homestead make it and who else has a shot to make it? Carmel and Avon for sure. I did not see Homestead's run yesterday, but from the sound of things it was a bad one. If they have another one of those then they probably won't make it in. If they have a run like they did at state then they will be safely in finals. As for anyone else that has a shot, the only other one that has a chance in my opinion is Lawrence Township. While I am not a fan of the show personally, it is definitely a crowd pleaser and scores better on BOA sheets than on ISSMA sheets.
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Post by indyguardmom on Nov 17, 2019 10:14:37 GMT -6
Congrats to Avon, Carmel and Homestead for their appearance in GN Finals! Homestead ended up being solidly in as a finalist.
And Indiana had the first two bands out as well! Fishers had an amazing run early Saturday morning and their numbers held up all day long to finish in 13th. LT was right behind them after performing last out of the top 22.
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Post by rabb2t on Nov 17, 2019 12:16:25 GMT -6
Could we be seeing the face of a new Indiana GN finalist next year? Stay tuned for more.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 17, 2019 18:51:37 GMT -6
What has gone? I will say the one thing I miss is Gibson Southern. It broke my heart when in 2012 when they missed out on state. I miss them and im hoping for a comeback within the next decade. I always wished Gibson Southern had performed at BOA events years before they did. Back in the days of file sharing, I discovered their Molto Perpetuo and Pandora's Box shows and was instantly hooked. They were a phenomenal band in the late 90s/early 2000s that could have definitely come away with a number of Class A titles. Norwell was another one for me. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if not for that scheduling SNAFU in 2004 semi-finals, where they deserved a top 22 spot but were somehow scheduled in the Next 8 (believe they were incorrectly swapped with Northmont). That show was pushing finals, and I feel like it could have been much closer (if not in) had they performed in the middle of the afternoon. They were another phenomenal band.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 18, 2019 10:05:42 GMT -6
Now that the 2010s era of marching has come to an end, I would like to ask what can we expect for the 2020 decade? Who will rise next with on the next decade? What will change? What are your thoughts?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 18, 2019 10:36:22 GMT -6
Now that the 2010s era of marching has come to an end, I would like to ask what can we expect for the 2020 decade? Who will rise next with on the next decade? What will change? What are your thoughts? Marching band dominance seems to follow population shifts and demographic shifts. Homestead in the 1990's exploded with the growth of SW Allen Co, Avon exploded in the 2000's. The obvious choice for the next huge leap towards dominance is Fishers. The whole situation there (large and growing upper middle class area, huge suburban school) just screams Marching Band. They are on the cusp. I'd never predict any school to eclipse the likes of Avon and Carmel, but I do think they will be the next of the consistently top Indiana programs. I don't see Avon and Carmel slipping at all. Carroll in NW Allen Co is in a still growing area. They've yet to really break out (this ought to have been the year, IMO) but I think the pieces are there for a top 5 Indiana program in the 2020's. I hope we see the return of some of the programs that have left Class A to compete in Scholastic. But honestly I fear this exodus will continue as programs struggle to keep up. I feel like we'll see a smaller groups of truly outstanding bands, but the costs and burdens of accomplishing that will be further out of reach for many.
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Post by paddy on Nov 18, 2019 10:47:06 GMT -6
Now that the 2010s era of marching has come to an end, I would like to ask what can we expect for the 2020 decade? Who will rise next with on the next decade? What will change? What are your thoughts? Marching band dominance seems to follow population shifts and demographic shifts. Homestead in the 1990's exploded with the growth of SW Allen Co, Avon exploded in the 2000's. The obvious choice for the next huge leap towards dominance is Fishers. The whole situation there (large and growing upper middle class area, huge suburban school) just screams Marching Band. They are on the cusp. I'd never predict any school to eclipse the likes of Avon and Carmel, but I do think they will be the next of the consistently top Indiana programs. I don't see Avon and Carmel slipping at all. Carroll in NW Allen Co is in a still growing area. They've yet to really break out (this ought to have been the year, IMO) but I think the pieces are there for a top 5 Indiana program in the 2020's. I hope we see the return of some of the programs that have left Class A to compete in Scholastic. But honestly I fear this exodus will continue as programs struggle to keep up. I feel like we'll see a smaller groups of truly outstanding bands, but the costs and burdens of accomplishing that will be further out of reach for many. The only thing I would say here is that leadership is an (the most?) important part of the conversation. The reason Fishers is getting ready to leap is leadership. Their "whole situation" has been in place in that community for 20 years, but Hamilton Southeastern HS (the first HS in that school district) never took advantage. Frankly that community has had more pieces in place demographically than either Homestead or Avon, but didn't have the leadership.
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Post by rabb2t on Nov 18, 2019 11:01:19 GMT -6
Marching band dominance seems to follow population shifts and demographic shifts. Homestead in the 1990's exploded with the growth of SW Allen Co, Avon exploded in the 2000's. The obvious choice for the next huge leap towards dominance is Fishers. The whole situation there (large and growing upper middle class area, huge suburban school) just screams Marching Band. They are on the cusp. I'd never predict any school to eclipse the likes of Avon and Carmel, but I do think they will be the next of the consistently top Indiana programs. I don't see Avon and Carmel slipping at all. Carroll in NW Allen Co is in a still growing area. They've yet to really break out (this ought to have been the year, IMO) but I think the pieces are there for a top 5 Indiana program in the 2020's. I hope we see the return of some of the programs that have left Class A to compete in Scholastic. But honestly I fear this exodus will continue as programs struggle to keep up. I feel like we'll see a smaller groups of truly outstanding bands, but the costs and burdens of accomplishing that will be further out of reach for many. The only thing I would say here is that leadership is an (the most?) important part of the conversation. The reason Fishers is getting ready to leap is leadership. Their "whole situation" has been in place in that community for 20 years, but Hamilton Southeastern HS (the first HS in that school district) never took advantage. Frankly that community has had more pieces in place demographically than either Homestead or Avon, but didn't have the leadership. Fishers had a complete overhaul on visual staff this year, replacing their one man army with 3 new people from what I've heard. They've gained more and more staff to compete visually, which has been lacking from them so far. I expect that next year and the next coming years will show more complex and nuanced shows visually from them.
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Post by paddy on Nov 18, 2019 11:05:02 GMT -6
The only thing I would say here is that leadership is an (the most?) important part of the conversation. The reason Fishers is getting ready to leap is leadership. Their "whole situation" has been in place in that community for 20 years, but Hamilton Southeastern HS (the first HS in that school district) never took advantage. Frankly that community has had more pieces in place demographically than either Homestead or Avon, but didn't have the leadership. Fishers had a complete overhaul on visual staff this year, replacing their one man army with 3 new people from what I've heard. They've gained more and more staff to compete visually, which has been lacking from them so far. I expect that next year and the next coming years will show more complex and nuanced shows visually from them. So leadership...
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Post by rabb2t on Nov 18, 2019 11:11:44 GMT -6
Fishers had a complete overhaul on visual staff this year, replacing their one man army with 3 new people from what I've heard. They've gained more and more staff to compete visually, which has been lacking from them so far. I expect that next year and the next coming years will show more complex and nuanced shows visually from them. So leadership... Yep. After 2016, they've really grown exponentially, and leadership is definitely a key factor. I also think that they're learning more and more about how the top groups do their stuff, so that could also be a helpful factor.
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Post by thewho on Nov 18, 2019 13:24:24 GMT -6
I totally forgot about posting this. Hope it's not too late... Quick caveat that's important to keep in mind: Fishers was 1.2 points behind Ayala in semis, which I believe is the 2nd largest gap ever (don't quote me on that, just know it's pretty large). That tells me if judges were to run semis again, I don't think the top 12 would change at all. Fishers would still be out. Now... There's a lot of attention on the 6 Texas bands making finals. That's an incredible achievement and one they rightfully deserve. However, Indiana had 5 bands in the top 14 for Grand Nationals, along with one with an outside shot at 18th (Brownsburg). For a state that's half of the size of Texas, this is still an amazing achievement. The only time that this had happened was 2013, when Center Grove and Lake Central were 13th and 14th (and Ben Davis in 19th). In this competitive landscape today, this is just a huge achievement considering 2 of these would've not even come close to sniffing Finals 5 years ago. I can only wait for the day we see at least 4 Indiana bands in GN Finals on a consistent basis. Also, indianabandgeek, I'll get my ISSMA list out sometime soon... I hope.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 18, 2019 13:42:54 GMT -6
I totally forgot about posting this. Hope it's not too late... Quick caveat that's important to keep in mind: Fishers was 1.2 points behind Ayala in semis, which I believe is the 2nd largest gap ever (don't quote me on that, just know it's pretty large). That tells me if judges were to run semis again, I don't think the top 12 would change at all. Fishers would still be out. Now... It's also interesting to note that the top 12 was exactly the same for prelims, even across two panels. Fishers was close in position, but not really close to knocking anyone out. In fact, I actually wonder if that first spot was better for them, before those Texas groups raised the bar so freaking high.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 19, 2019 12:03:40 GMT -6
How does everyone feel about the New Elkhart High School Band? Central and memorial are merging into one giant school next year and I wonder how can that effect next year? Could that make Elkhart a potential State finalist?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 19, 2019 12:07:36 GMT -6
How does everyone feel about the New Elkhart High School Band? Central and memorial are merging into one giant school next year and I wonder how can that effect next year? Could that make Elkhart a potential State finalist? It's going to take more than size to make that jump.
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Post by paddy on Nov 19, 2019 13:54:38 GMT -6
How does everyone feel about the New Elkhart High School Band? Central and memorial are merging into one giant school next year and I wonder how can that effect next year? Could that make Elkhart a potential State finalist? It's going to take more than size to make that jump. I am hearing rumors of a rule change that could affect their classification as well.
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Post by bandaid on Nov 19, 2019 17:42:38 GMT -6
What is the rumor that is going around? It's going to take more than size to make that jump. I am hearing rumors of a rule change that could affect their classification as well.
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Post by bandaid on Nov 19, 2019 20:23:40 GMT -6
I want to express condolences to the Plainfield Red Pride Marching Band family as they mourn the loss of one of their members to suicide.
National Suicide Prevention Hotline:1-800-273-8255
A gofundme has been setup to help with funeral expenses.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 20, 2019 8:20:38 GMT -6
I want to express condolences to the Plainfield Red Pride Marching Band family as they mourn the loss of one of their members to suicide.
National Suicide Prevention Hotline:1-800-273-8255
A gofundme has been setup to help with funeral expenses.
So sad to see this. Sending my thoughts and prayers to the band and the family.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Nov 20, 2019 9:42:25 GMT -6
What is the rumor that is going around? I am hearing rumors of a rule change that could affect their classification as well. I would like to know what the rumor is as well.
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Post by paddy on Nov 21, 2019 7:38:52 GMT -6
There is a rumored rule change that will affect how a band made up of combined schools within a township is classified.
Currently a combined band (Lawrence Township for example) competes under the name and enrollment count of one school or the other. MPLT competed in ISSMA as Lawrence North in 2018 and Lawrence Central in 2019, but it didn't really matter as both are class A schools. As the rule is currently written and with the way Elkahrt is transitioning the combination of the 2 schools(keeping 2 campuses open for a few years), it would be possible that they would be a combined band pulling from both populations, but be classified as Class B. I don't think the rule change is a result of the Elkhart situation, just a known loophole issue that they are getting around to addressing.
My understanding of how the rule is currently written, all of the Evansville schools could combine resources and perform in Class C under the Bosse name. Or created a Class B and Class C band using the same methods. Other schools like this (off the top of my head) would be Fort Wayne competing under North Side in class B, Monroe County (Bloomington North and South), Tippecanoe (McCutcheon and Harrison), Clay Community (Northview and Clay HS and this is a crazy one because Clay City is Class D)
I really don't think it is an issue (would Northview really compete under Clay City?), but it makes sense to close the loophole.
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Post by dhs27 on Nov 21, 2019 15:50:33 GMT -6
With the 2020 season, I expect there to be some dramatic shifts in placing. Perhaps Honestead overtaking Avon/Carmel, and some bubble bands being pushed to top 5 placing. I’m curious to see show designs for next season.Also I’ve heard rumors that Concord might be returning to class B? Could anyone confirm this? Anyways here are my top must watch bands after considering the state finals and season rankings for the 2020 season. 1. Homestead, really excited to see their growth and continual grand national finals appearances, curious to see how they will attempt to pull themselves from a 3rd place spot to a potential top 2, maybe even a state championship. 2. Brownsburg, I loved their show this year. It was an incredible year for them, and I can’t wait to watch them get closer to top four placings. I could see them doing very well next season. 3. Penn, They’ve made quite the comeback these part two years, from finishing close to the bottom at regionals to pulling themselves to an 8th place semi’s appearance. Quite curious to see how they’ll do, and what they could accomplish. This is a band that I think is a bit under the radar, but they have an incredible sound, and one of the most unique bands. 4. Fishers, This is a band that has quite the reputation nowdays, and I’m very excited to see them grow even more, perhaps they could take a 4th place finish. They’ve always been unique in their shows, and there’s a lot of buzz about this band.
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