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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 27, 2024 14:58:26 GMT -6
...... Five years ago I probably would have told you North Carolina was the next hot marching band area, same with the PNW; both seem to have fizzled out. I saw Ohio a few times and reflexively laughed, but then I realized that the Lakotas, Miamisburg, Milford, Worthington Kilbourne, etc have evolved into the current times, whereas Ohio really didn't have a bench of Semis-tier BOA groups in the decades prior. Interesting stuff! I would say the new hotspot for marching band would be Viriginia a lot of talented groups rising and powerful bands like Independence, Loudoun County, Jefferson Forest, James Madison, Bassett, Princess Anne, W.T. Woodson, Westfield, Rock Ridge, Thomas Jefferson, Chantilly, Freedom, Hickory, Ocean Lakes, Lightridge, John Champe, Dominion, and Albemarle, McLean, Grassfield, James W. Robinson SS and so on.
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Post by philodemus on Apr 27, 2024 15:34:47 GMT -6
Random Quick Thought:
I wonder if there is any correlation between on-the-rise and/or on-the-decline and how long a state was on at-home instruction for COVID?
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Post by kyle on Apr 27, 2024 17:51:13 GMT -6
Random Quick Thought: I wonder if there is any correlation between on-the-rise and/or on-the-decline and how long a state was on at-home instruction for COVID? At the Very least I know that Utah only had 1 quarter of at-home instruction, so that would be some pretty decent evidence to support your claim!
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Post by jakeymam12 on Apr 27, 2024 18:02:10 GMT -6
My top 15 states would probably be
1. Texas 2. Indiana 3. Oklahoma 4. Ohio 5. Florida 6. Tennesee 7. Kentucky 8. Missouri 9. Illinois 10. Michigan 11. Utah 12. Arkansas 13. South Carolina 14. California 15. Mississippi
Keep in mind that I am extremely unqualified to make a list like this XD
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 27, 2024 19:00:14 GMT -6
Random Quick Thought: I wonder if there is any correlation between on-the-rise and/or on-the-decline and how long a state was on at-home instruction for COVID? It definitely could play a big part. Students who were in middle school for the 2020/2021 school year are now finishing up their 9th-11th grade years. A lot of those students missed a significant amount of development time as musicians in that year.
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Post by hawknate14 on Apr 27, 2024 19:42:29 GMT -6
...... Five years ago I probably would have told you North Carolina was the next hot marching band area, same with the PNW; both seem to have fizzled out. I saw Ohio a few times and reflexively laughed, but then I realized that the Lakotas, Miamisburg, Milford, Worthington Kilbourne, etc have evolved into the current times, whereas Ohio really didn't have a bench of Semis-tier BOA groups in the decades prior. Interesting stuff! I would say the new hotspot for marching band would be Viriginia a lot of talented groups rising and powerful bands like Independence, Loudoun County, Jefferson Forest, James Madison, Bassett, Princess Anne, W.T. Woodson, Westfield, Rock Ridge, Thomas Jefferson, Chantilly, Freedom, Hickory, Ocean Lakes, Lightridge, John Champe, Dominion, and Albemarle, McLean, Grassfield, James W. Robinson SS and so on. Id also add South County and Sherando to that list, and theres plenty of more that are showing a lot of growth.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 27, 2024 20:55:26 GMT -6
Random Quick Thought: I wonder if there is any correlation between on-the-rise and/or on-the-decline and how long a state was on at-home instruction for COVID? In my opinion I do think there is an asymmetrical correlation between an at-home instruction method and their marching band growth. For Example, the states that were able to provide an outdoor band competition with the least covid restriction, and the schools that were able to foster a real competitive show like UT, TX, AR, somewhat of OH, KY, SD, IA, and MO mostly focus on face to face method since they were providing a field show which has seen much improvement over the past three years (just look at Cabot, Bentonville Schools, Bryant, Cedar Valley, Bradon Valley, Brookings, Sioux City North, Farmington, Green Canyon, Sullivan, Coppell, Cypress Woods, and Bridgeland) than the bands that focus only on at-home instruction that did make the 2020 rookies to fall back behind in marching and athletic experience. Some states have really overcome that issue like California and Florida so idk what I'm talking about.
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Post by realjsnacks on Apr 27, 2024 21:22:57 GMT -6
My top 15 which seems to be the general consensus of most here but may still ruffle feathers:
1. Indiana (if visuals and GE are your thing) 2. Texas (if music is your thing then they're easily #1) 3. Oklahoma 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. California 7. Ohio 8. Missouri 9. Tennessee 10. Illinois 11. Utah 12. Arkansas 13. South Carolina 14. Michigan 15. New York
Up and comers/soon to be prospects: Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Mexico
I find it interesting that most/all of us can generally agree on the top 3-5, but beyond that is where it gets jumbled up for everyone. Just goes to show everyone's difference of opinion!
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Post by jakeymam12 on Apr 27, 2024 23:10:34 GMT -6
My top 15 which seems to be the general consensus of most here but may still ruffle feathers: 1. Indiana (if visuals and GE are your thing) 2. Texas (if music is your thing then they're easily #1) 3. Oklahoma 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. California 7. Ohio 8. Missouri 9. Tennessee 10. Illinois 11. Utah 12. Arkansas 13. South Carolina 14. Michigan 15. New York Up and comers/soon to be prospects: Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Mexico I find it interesting that most/all of us can generally agree on the top 3-5, but beyond that is where it gets jumbled up for everyone. Just goes to show everyone's difference of opinion! I'm just curious, why Cali in top 6? I know they have quite a few decent bands, and are really good in winter stuff, but no marching bands even within the Next 10 range.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Apr 28, 2024 0:03:32 GMT -6
I'm just curious, why Cali in top 6? I know they have quite a few decent bands, and are really good in winter stuff, but no marching bands even within the Next 10 range. Not disagreeing with your point, but I think Ayala did make it to the HornRank "Next 10" at least once last fall.
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Post by jakeymam12 on Apr 28, 2024 0:20:52 GMT -6
I'm just curious, why Cali in top 6? I know they have quite a few decent bands, and are really good in winter stuff, but no marching bands even within the Next 10 range. Not disagreeing with your point, but I think Ayala did make it to the HornRank "Next 10" at least once last fall. You’re absolutely right. Allow me to rephrase it as ‘not currently in the Next 10’. My bad
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 28, 2024 4:37:53 GMT -6
Are we just looking at who's the top guy or are looking at the depth of the competitiveness from each band in the state?
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Post by gavintheeuph on Apr 28, 2024 5:32:04 GMT -6
My top 15 which seems to be the general consensus of most here but may still ruffle feathers: 1. Indiana (if visuals and GE are your thing) 2. Texas (if music is your thing then they're easily #1) 3. Oklahoma 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. California 7. Ohio 8. Missouri 9. Tennessee 10. Illinois 11. Utah 12. Arkansas 13. South Carolina 14. Michigan 15. New York Up and comers/soon to be prospects: Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Mexico I find it interesting that most/all of us can generally agree on the top 3-5, but beyond that is where it gets jumbled up for everyone. Just goes to show everyone's difference of opinion! Pretty solid list to be honest!! I would put California down some and switch out New York with Mississippi since Mississippi has Germantown, Hernando, Desoto Central, etc.
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Post by philodemus on Apr 28, 2024 5:39:01 GMT -6
My top 15 which seems to be the general consensus of most here but may still ruffle feathers: 1. Indiana (if visuals and GE are your thing) 2. Texas (if music is your thing then they're easily #1) 3. Oklahoma 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. California 7. Ohio 8. Missouri 9. Tennessee 10. Illinois 11. Utah 12. Arkansas 13. South Carolina 14. Michigan 15. New York Up and comers/soon to be prospects: Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Mexico I find it interesting that most/all of us can generally agree on the top 3-5, but beyond that is where it gets jumbled up for everyone. Just goes to show everyone's difference of opinion! I think, of the lists put together so far, this is the one I agree with most. I think you’ve overvalued California and undervalued Arkansas and Mississippi. Otherwise, quite solid.
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Post by philodemus on Apr 28, 2024 5:42:28 GMT -6
Random Quick Thought: I wonder if there is any correlation between on-the-rise and/or on-the-decline and how long a state was on at-home instruction for COVID? In my opinion I do think there is an asymmetrical correlation between an at-home instruction method and their marching band growth. For Example, the states that were able to provide an outdoor band competition with the least covid restriction, and the schools that were able to foster a real competitive show like UT, TX, AR, somewhat of OH, KY, SD, IA, and MO mostly focus on face to face method since they were providing a field show which has seen much improvement over the past three years (just look at Cabot, Bentonville Schools, Bryant, Cedar Valley, Bradon Valley, Brookings, Sioux City North, Farmington, Green Canyon, Sullivan, Coppell, Cypress Woods, and Bridgeland) than the bands that focus only on at-home instruction that did make the 2020 rookies to fall back behind in marching and athletic experience. Some states have really overcome that issue like California and Florida so idk what I'm talking about. Here, we lost one competitive season, and I know some states lost none. Did any states lose two or more? It would be interesting to see a breakdown of each state dealt with the COVID lockdowns vis a vis band competition.
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Post by kyle on Apr 28, 2024 14:23:31 GMT -6
Are we just looking at who's the top guy or are looking at the depth of the competitiveness from each band in the state? I would say depth and define it as the percentage of that states bands that we think could get into GN Semis on most given years
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Post by kyle on Apr 28, 2024 14:25:41 GMT -6
Are we just looking at who's the top guy or are looking at the depth of the competitiveness from each band in the state? I would say depth and define it as the percentage of that states bands that we think could get into GN Semis on most given years Cause I think that would sort the list by average quality of bands, and I think that'd be a good way to measure the "Best" states, although it may lead to a few outliers 😅
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Post by realjsnacks on Apr 28, 2024 15:31:05 GMT -6
My top 15 which seems to be the general consensus of most here but may still ruffle feathers: 1. Indiana (if visuals and GE are your thing) 2. Texas (if music is your thing then they're easily #1) 3. Oklahoma 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. California 7. Ohio 8. Missouri 9. Tennessee 10. Illinois 11. Utah 12. Arkansas 13. South Carolina 14. Michigan 15. New York Up and comers/soon to be prospects: Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Mexico I find it interesting that most/all of us can generally agree on the top 3-5, but beyond that is where it gets jumbled up for everyone. Just goes to show everyone's difference of opinion! I think, of the lists put together so far, this is the one I agree with most. I think you’ve overvalued California and undervalued Arkansas and Mississippi. Otherwise, quite solid. Yeah, I think my biggest justification for putting California that high was their overall legacy in the marching band world, especially throughout the 90's and 2000's (I had completely missed the obvious "2023-2024" portion of the title). Ayala, Vista Murrieta, and Chino Hills are all great, just maybe not as nationally recognized as some of the other previously iconic Cali bands. As far as Mississippi goes, they should be here in the context of BOA. If we factor in non-BOA bands though, it's hard to underscore New York's reputation on that front. Totally see where you're coming from though!
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Post by itsjustband on Apr 28, 2024 15:52:18 GMT -6
Random Quick Thought: I wonder if there is any correlation between on-the-rise and/or on-the-decline and how long a state was on at-home instruction for COVID? Cobb county GA was fully online from March to November of 2020 with essentially zero marching season, and it really wrecked a lot of the programs
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Post by cataloniaa on May 1, 2024 12:57:45 GMT -6
I'm just curious, why Cali in top 6? I know they have quite a few decent bands, and are really good in winter stuff, but no marching bands even within the Next 10 range. Not disagreeing with your point, but I think Ayala did make it to the HornRank "Next 10" at least once last fall. I also think that Cali bands turn on the burners during their seasons where they go to grand nationals. The last times that Vista Murrieta and Ayala went they cracked into the top 30 for a number of weeks. I think that in a local season, they might be placed lower in terms of state rankings, but these Cali bands have high peaks.
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