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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 16:26:57 GMT -6
I saw that boamoments posted a short clip of Broken Arrow on their Instagram but they turned off the comments. Then they posted a clip of Hendrickson, and several BA peeps jumped on the Hendrickson comments to pretty much wish death on the boamoments guy for daring to post the clip of Broken Arrow.
Why is it such a matter of life and death if a Broken Arrow clip gets put out there? I don’t see other bands acting as belligerently when their clips are put out there.
Fascinating.
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Post by QuadSquad03 on Sept 23, 2019 16:41:51 GMT -6
Bixby is the same way. Our directors make it VERY clear that nobody is to post videos of any of our performances. If any of us or our parents were caught doing it we would probably be exterminated on the spot.
I really don't understand the big deal with copyrights for marching band. Why can't we just enjoy a good show, or even just a clip of one, without having to search through the depths of the internet to find a good recording? Its nice to see that Flomarching is starting to make a change on the copyright front. Maybe one day BOA will be on there. It would definitely give me more incentive to continue to pay for my yearly subscription
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 23, 2019 16:41:52 GMT -6
I saw that boamoments posted a short clip of Broken Arrow on their Instagram but they turned off the comments. Then they posted a clip of Hendrickson, and several BA peeps jumped on the Hendrickson comments to pretty much wish death on the boamoments guy for daring to post the clip of Broken Arrow. Why is it such a matter of life and death if a Broken Arrow clip gets put out there? I don’t see other bands acting as belligerently when their clips are put out there. Fascinating. They posted a Homestead and also a Round Rock clip a couple of weeks back and people from both groups posted and asked to have them taken down. The site refused and turned off commenting for those videos. Not sure who is behind that site but they certainly have no permission to post those. |
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Post by abtwitch on Sept 23, 2019 16:48:10 GMT -6
I saw that boamoments posted a short clip of Broken Arrow on their Instagram but they turned off the comments. Then they posted a clip of Hendrickson, and several BA peeps jumped on the Hendrickson comments to pretty much wish death on the boamoments guy for daring to post the clip of Broken Arrow. Why is it such a matter of life and death if a Broken Arrow clip gets put out there? I don’t see other bands acting as belligerently when their clips are put out there. Fascinating. They posted a Homestead and also a Round Rock clip a couple of weeks back and people from both groups posted and asked to have them taken down. The site refused and turned off commenting for those videos. Not sure who is behind that site but they certainly have no permission to post those. To their credit, they eventually did remove the clips. But that doesn't excuse the fact that they initially ignored the requests from members to have the clip taken down and tried to censor them. As someone who also runs a decently-sized band clip account, I'm very disappointed in whoever is in charge of that account. |
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Post by Allohak on Sept 23, 2019 17:18:51 GMT -6
If you're surprised bands prefer to keep their stuff secret from their competition, I highly suggest watching the "Pride of Broken Arrow" documentary from the early 2000s
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 18:32:42 GMT -6
If you're surprised bands prefer to keep their stuff secret from their competition, I highly suggest watching the "Pride of Broken Arrow" documentary from the early 2000s I did watch it last year. I’m just always a little taken aback at how vehemently they protest. It must be so stressful to be so afraid someone will see your show before you are ready for them to. In this day and age it’s nearly impossible to prevent it. |
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Post by trumpet300 on Sept 23, 2019 19:18:50 GMT -6
Not only do some bands wish to keep things secretive but the owners of copy rights sometimes have strict policies that are to be followed so I totally understand why the organizations are so aggressive.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 23, 2019 19:22:50 GMT -6
If you're surprised bands prefer to keep their stuff secret from their competition, I highly suggest watching the "Pride of Broken Arrow" documentary from the early 2000s Well I take it back. I saw something like a documentary but it wasn’t this dvd 73 minute version I’m seeing online available for purchase. |
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Post by cornet on Sept 25, 2019 17:51:28 GMT -6
I saw that boamoments posted a short clip of Broken Arrow on their Instagram but they turned off the comments. Then they posted a clip of Hendrickson, and several BA peeps jumped on the Hendrickson comments to pretty much wish death on the boamoments guy for daring to post the clip of Broken Arrow. Why is it such a matter of life and death if a Broken Arrow clip gets put out there? I don’t see other bands acting as belligerently when their clips are put out there. Fascinating. They posted a Homestead and also a Round Rock clip a couple of weeks back and people from both groups posted and asked to have them taken down. The site refused and turned off commenting for those videos. Not sure who is behind that site but they certainly have no permission to post those. Legally it's less clear than that. The extent of copyright protection is dictated by the owner of the music. The school is probably doing the right thing to show they don't sanction it but it's not they who are violating any rights unless there's some copyrightable component baked into their drill. So I'm not sure what rights a school has to issue a take down notice. |
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Post by jeremiah on Sept 25, 2019 19:36:56 GMT -6
They posted a Homestead and also a Round Rock clip a couple of weeks back and people from both groups posted and asked to have them taken down. The site refused and turned off commenting for those videos. Not sure who is behind that site but they certainly have no permission to post those. Legally it's less clear than that. The extent of copyright protection is dictated by the owner of the music. The school is probably doing the right thing to show they don't sanction it but it's not they who are violating any rights unless there's some copyrightable component baked into their drill. So I'm not sure what rights a school has to issue a take down notice. Whoever actually recorded the video would have the rights to issue a takedown notice, along with the owners of the musical rights. So the school itself, band organization, or students would not have legal standing to sue for copyright infringement although it certainly is. |
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 11, 2019 20:33:55 GMT -6
If you're surprised bands prefer to keep their stuff secret from their competition, I highly suggest watching the "Pride of Broken Arrow" documentary from the early 2000s I'm confused. I've seen this documentary multiple times, but I don't recall anything over-the-top about privacy, especially in comparison to these days. Can you point out what you're referring to? |
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 11, 2019 20:36:15 GMT -6
Legally it's less clear than that. The extent of copyright protection is dictated by the owner of the music. The school is probably doing the right thing to show they don't sanction it but it's not they who are violating any rights unless there's some copyrightable component baked into their drill. So I'm not sure what rights a school has to issue a take down notice. Whoever actually recorded the video would have the rights to issue a takedown notice, along with the owners of the musical rights. So the school itself, band organization, or students would not have legal standing to sue for copyright infringement although it certainly is. But can't the organization request a takedown notice if they are in a contract with the arranger/composer? |
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Post by Allohak on Oct 11, 2019 20:47:13 GMT -6
If you're surprised bands prefer to keep their stuff secret from their competition, I highly suggest watching the "Pride of Broken Arrow" documentary from the early 2000s I'm confused. I've seen this documentary multiple times, but I don't recall anything over-the-top about privacy, especially in comparison to these days. Can you point out what you're referring to? Not so much about privacy directly, but the conversations the directors/designers have among themselves give really good insight into how seriously some of the top programs take the competition side of things. In that regard, it's far from surprising that they might want to keep what they are doing (especially if they are being innovative) quiet from "their competition" |
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 11, 2019 21:01:27 GMT -6
I'm confused. I've seen this documentary multiple times, but I don't recall anything over-the-top about privacy, especially in comparison to these days. Can you point out what you're referring to? Not so much about privacy directly, but the conversations the directors/designers have among themselves give really good insight into how seriously some of the top programs take the competition side of things. In that regard, it's far from surprising that they might want to keep what they are doing (especially if they are being innovative) quiet from "their competition" Gotcha. Yes. That was one year before Union dropped Wes Cartwright. He quickly moved down the road to BA and began implementing his designs. Proved successful! It's funny how that 2001 group of directors has dissolved into other nearby successful groups. Davis still at BA, Harris at Owasso, Tomlinson (was) at Bentonville, Steve Vento at Blue Springs, Kim Vento at Owasso, and Stout at schools in Arkansas. |
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Post by supersound on Oct 15, 2019 15:33:21 GMT -6
On that note I saw another one of these clip posting accounts I think it was @everything.boa posting a video from Tarpon Springs. Surprised me not to see anyone demanding to take it down considering they’re a group that’s historically wanted to keep videos unposted
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 21, 2019 16:21:00 GMT -6
I saw that boamoments posted a short clip of Broken Arrow on their Instagram but they turned off the comments. Then they posted a clip of Hendrickson, and several BA peeps jumped on the Hendrickson comments to pretty much wish death on the boamoments guy for daring to post the clip of Broken Arrow. Why is it such a matter of life and death if a Broken Arrow clip gets put out there? I don’t see other bands acting as belligerently when their clips are put out there. Fascinating. It's not "life and death". It's money and access. A number of schools quite understandably warn their students and parents that they've only paid for the rights to arrange and perform the music in question and not to publish audio or visual recordings (which would include posting them on Youtube). This all goes back to 2014, when DCI and DCA and BOA and various state music associations were apparently threatened with lawsuits by a big licensing company called Tresona, which now owns the rights to a lot of different music, for not having taken all the necessary steps to secure video distribution in particular. At that time, all three of those circuits (and others) not only sold CDs and DVDs but they had extensive historical archives of past performances online for viewing as part of their various "Fan Networks", for which you could pay an annual subscription service. Rather like Flo but with a lot more content.
Nowadays, schools are more or less expected to aggressively police these videos or risk either a lawsuit or the future refusal of the right to arrange and perform. Some of them take this expectation more seriously than others. I feel confident that some directors have notifications set so that as soon as a video with the name of their school + "band" gets posted, they're alerted and then they respond. I've seen this in action. (I even told a director to her face last year, a month or so after it happened, that she once had been too slow! By chance, I had been browsing Youtube within minutes of a video of her band being posted there, quickly made a copy for myself, and then within an hour, I saw she had posted a comment asking the original poster to remove it. And soon after it was gone.)
Copyright law is due for some major reforms (down with the Disney law!) but who knows if it will ever happen.
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Post by josephbandfan on Oct 21, 2019 19:49:34 GMT -6
There is a Vista Ridge youtube channel that posts recordings of every VR public performance. Does this not put them at risk? In general, I always see a ton of videos from LISD (south).
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Post by nedjible on Nov 4, 2019 8:52:12 GMT -6
I saw that boamoments posted a short clip of Broken Arrow on their Instagram but they turned off the comments. Then they posted a clip of Hendrickson, and several BA peeps jumped on the Hendrickson comments to pretty much wish death on the boamoments guy for daring to post the clip of Broken Arrow. Why is it such a matter of life and death if a Broken Arrow clip gets put out there? I don’t see other bands acting as belligerently when their clips are put out there. Fascinating. They posted a Homestead and also a Round Rock clip a couple of weeks back and people from both groups posted and asked to have them taken down. The site refused and turned off commenting for those videos. Not sure who is behind that site but they certainly have no permission to post those. I believe (second hand info) that Round Rock had to change a piece of music because an early season post of a their show on BOA moments caused a copyright dispute. |
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Post by supersound on Nov 30, 2019 0:02:53 GMT -6
They posted a Homestead and also a Round Rock clip a couple of weeks back and people from both groups posted and asked to have them taken down. The site refused and turned off commenting for those videos. Not sure who is behind that site but they certainly have no permission to post those. I believe (second hand info) that Round Rock had to change a piece of music because an early season post of a their show on BOA moments caused a copyright dispute. Which piece was it? |
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