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Post by ilikeguard on Apr 7, 2020 18:34:05 GMT -6
I would think that auditions are necessary, even if there are no cuts, to place kids in the right part. In my experience, the different concert bands would have different musical parts so they could practice during the class period. You would need to know early on which kids can play which part.
Despite going to a AA school, we definitely did make guard cuts...my senior year we had 60 auditionees and 43 final members (some of which were alternates). Cuts to hornline were small, but any student that didn’t make a cut was offered a spot as a shadow or as visual ensemble/auxiliary. Every kid gets to participate, and every kid is in the place they can best succeed. I think that’s a great model for competitive groups.
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Post by ilikeguard on Apr 7, 2020 18:37:16 GMT -6
BA has the Pride (competition band) and the Tradition (football pep band), but all Pride members are also in the Tradition. Dobyns-Bennett has a similar set up with an auditioned competitive band pulled from their everyone football band. I think it's pretty common for bands to have auditions of some sort to at least determine who is marching on the field and who is an alternate (roles vary between programs, but could include running met, pushing props, football games only, etc.). Coppell actually has a JV competitive band that goes to different competitions than the Varsity competitive band simultaneously, which is very rare. I don't know of any other band that does that, other than Lassiter 20 years ago. Pride also has MANY alternates who are ready to go by the next rehearsal. If you’ve seen them in person, you’ve seen the long line of students in uniform on the sideline.
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Post by bandaid on Apr 7, 2020 18:57:55 GMT -6
I think it's awesome that those that get cut are offered a spot for something else! I also went to a AA school now AAA and they still made cuts to guard. Now they are facing a rebuilding year with the guard as they will be losing more than half of the guard to graduation this year. If guard tryouts get pushed back to June it will be interesting to see what the turnout is like during summer break.
I would think that auditions are necessary, even if there are no cuts, to place kids in the right part. In my experience, the different concert bands would have different musical parts so they could practice during the class period. You would need to know early on which kids can play which part. Despite going to a AA school, we definitely did make guard cuts...my senior year we had 60 auditionees and 43 final members (some of which were alternates). Cuts to hornline were small, but any student that didn’t make a cut was offered a spot as a shadow or as visual ensemble/auxiliary. Every kid gets to participate, and every kid is in the place they can best succeed. I think that’s a great model for competitive groups.
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Post by bearscott85 on Apr 7, 2020 22:35:31 GMT -6
Until there is a vaccine, there will be no return to normal is a headline I read which I find hard to believe unless a vaccine is ready by fall or winter? What about the economy?
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Post by rabb2t on Apr 8, 2020 8:58:47 GMT -6
So we do have some good news coming from Taiwan. www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3912275Not only have we already sequenced the genome for COVID-19, but we also have antibodies that can possibly be used in vaccines. Although, in my opinion, it might be a stretch to say that bands will be able to have June camps by the time we actually get this underway.
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Post by dbalash on Apr 9, 2020 11:10:46 GMT -6
Summer Symposium cancelled.
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Post by bearscott85 on Apr 9, 2020 19:02:15 GMT -6
Yeah BOA IS DONE for 2020,might as well face it.
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Post by thefourth on Apr 9, 2020 20:24:56 GMT -6
The way I see it, as long as football goes on, so does marching band. If you look at cancellation dates, organizations are cancelling two months in advance. October is six months away, and while camps may be impacted, schools are still able to recover to an extent. Again, this is purely my opinion, but if High School/ College Football goes on, so does our season. The glass is always half full!
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Post by ilikeguard on Apr 9, 2020 21:25:26 GMT -6
Yeah BOA IS DONE for 2020,might as well face it. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. You’re either part of the problem or solution. I think we all know what each other are. People see things differently, there’s no need to get aggressive. We all love band and want to see it thrive, but it’s not up to anyone on here. Let’s try to keep the thread to updates and discussions instead of hostility.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 10, 2020 6:30:04 GMT -6
The way I see it, as long as football goes on, so does marching band. If you look at cancellation dates, organizations are cancelling two months in advance. October is six months away, and while camps may be impacted, schools are still able to recover to an extent. Again, this is purely my opinion, but if High School/ College Football goes on, so does our season. The glass is always half full! Probably. Unless there is a massive resurgence in the Fall, I do think that we'll see school reopening as usual. Things can't remain shut down forever...or even 18 months. At some point we're going to need to learn to live somewhat normally until this burns out or is manageable by vaccine or other treatment. But, the question is whether schools opening means that all surrounding extracurricular events and activities resume along with that. That well could vary State by State, or even district by district depending on the situation at the time, which obviously none of us can know. The real question is, what is the expected response six months from now? Today, if you are exposed to anyone even suspected of being infected you're expected to quarantine for an extended period. Will that be the case in the Fall? If so, I don't see how any sports team or band could remain on the field very long. All it would take is one infection and an entire group would be effectively done. So unless those guidelines are drastically relaxed, I'm having a tough time seeing it work unless we really put this virus to bed. Maybe that will happen.
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 12, 2020 6:37:01 GMT -6
Posted on another platform by a former co-worker.
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Post by turfday on Apr 13, 2020 2:43:10 GMT -6
I have and will continue to say it. The virus isn't fair it doesn't care about you or where you live it just spreads. Some groups will manage to recover easily and be able to continue their daily performances by fall others will struggle. We will see groups falter in quality this fall and that's ok. Some groups will stay the same. At the end of the day this virus isn't leveling the playing field at all for our bands and that's something we have to face. The most we can do is continue to support every group equally we're all being hit in different amounts each community is reacting and being affected differently and that will be reflected in our bands and that's ok.
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Post by ilikeguard on Apr 13, 2020 12:18:39 GMT -6
I have and will continue to say it. The virus isn't fair it doesn't care about you or where you live it just spreads. Some groups will manage to recover easily and be able to continue their daily performances by fall others will struggle. We will see groups falter in quality this fall and that's ok. Some groups will stay the same. At the end of the day this virus isn't leveling the playing field at all for our bands and that's something we have to face. The most we can do is continue to support every group equally we're all being hit in different amounts each community is reacting and being affected differently and that will be reflected in our bands and that's ok. Would you support a handicap for groups that end up being the most affected?
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Post by LeanderMomma on Apr 13, 2020 13:05:41 GMT -6
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Post by dallasman on Apr 14, 2020 15:03:49 GMT -6
Summer Symposium cancelled. Called it & was warned as a result. It's the obvious choice.
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Post by dallasman on Apr 14, 2020 15:08:26 GMT -6
Yeah, I held the same opinion and still do - was met with the same level of intolerance for daring to call it like it is. I hope the NFL doesn't have an insane amount of difficulty opening up, but I highly doubt that BOA will be able to proceed as scheduled. It's only a matter of time. They should strongly consider slicing off many of the early fall regionals & at the very least holding out for the late season regionals & GNs. I would cancel the entire season and be done with it to save everyone the trouble (like DCI did). People simply will not have the confidence by fall to head into large group situations -- especially if they don't love the activity, as many who still attend don't (they go for a friend, sibling, or kid). Not enough to avoid the possible Phase 2 of this pandemic. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. You’re either part of the problem or solution. I think we all know what each other are. People see things differently, there’s no need to get aggressive. We all love band and want to see it thrive, but it’s not up to anyone on here. Let’s try to keep the thread to updates and discussions instead of hostility.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Apr 14, 2020 20:23:57 GMT -6
You’re just a ray of sunshine ain’t ya?
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Post by MarchingManiac on Apr 15, 2020 8:54:11 GMT -6
The new anti-body test look promising. If it’s true that double infection is highly unlikely, we can use the antibodies as a treatment until a vaccine comes out. That is a viable treatment as we’ve done it in the past. That with the regulatory doses of the Chloroquine or Hydrochloroquine drug. I think we have hope by fall barring any significant stoppage of either testing or research into the different treatment options. Additionally, if we find out re-infection is impossible, and more Americans have been exposed and are immune than have the virus (which is more possible than you think) there should be very limited problems opening things up more quickly than the alternative. Regaurdless there is still 4-5 months until the first season contest and 6 months until the big contests so we will have to wait and see.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Apr 15, 2020 10:16:27 GMT -6
The new anti-body test look promising. If it’s true that double infection is highly unlikely, we can use the antibodies as a treatment until a vaccine comes out. That is a viable treatment as we’ve done it in the past. That with the regulatory doses of the Chloroquine or Hydrochloroquine drug. I think we have hope by fall barring any significant stoppage of either testing or research into the different treatment options. Additionally, if we find out re-infection is impossible, and more Americans have been exposed and are immune than have the virus (which is more possible than you think) there should be very limited problems opening things up more quickly than the alternative. Regaurdless there is still 4-5 months until the first season contest and 6 months until the big contests so we will have to wait and see. I like your optimism! But one thing that is very important to remember. Hydroxychloriquine is 100% unproved to help. No matter how much it is touted by any public officials, it has not been proven to work yet. We all hope it does work, but we don’t know yet. It does alleviate symptoms. Which “helps.” We don’t have a cure for the flu or the common cold either, but we can alleviate symptoms which in turn helps people actually recover, even those near death. Lets all be optimistic. Stop watching the doomsayer news, practice your safety measures and think healthy thoughts.
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Post by turfday on Apr 17, 2020 12:36:28 GMT -6
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Post by warehouse314 on Apr 17, 2020 16:38:07 GMT -6
Exactly. Perhaps it's common with some of these massive Texas programs, and I'm sure a school like BA has such a luxury, but I don't think any Indiana schools (though not sure about Carmel) cuts kids from membership. Most are begging for everyone they can get. With as many kids as Carmel puts on the field I can't imagine they cut any. I wonder if Carmel could field both a Scholastic and Open marching band... You are correct.. Carmel doesn't cut any student that wants to participate.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 17, 2020 20:46:18 GMT -6
September is a long way away, I think we'll be in a very different place by then. With that said how many of you think bands will suffer from lack of concert band this spring?
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Post by Allohak on Apr 18, 2020 7:07:39 GMT -6
State leaderships seem to be taking a very practical, realistic, pragmatic approach to all this. Thank goodness, considering the complete lack of those coming from the central offices.
The crux of the matter is that no one - not us sitting at home "researching", not "experts" projecting trends - has any idea how this will end. As much as we'd all love to resume the "normal", doing so even the slightest bit too soon could be absolutely disastrous.
I was personally very much on the "either shut EVERYTHING down or don't bother" side of things as this was ramping up and people were scrambling. Conversely, things will have to open very gradually so as to not create the problem we were trying to avoid in the first place.
I hope everyone considers carefully what they do and don't need to go out and do/attend when things start back up. Flooding into what you've missed while everyone else in town is doing the same might not be the best situation. It's hard, but be patient!
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As crazy as this late winter/early spring has been, and with the sheer volume of events (sports, entertainment, etc) that have been put on hold, it is going to take a lot of time and shuffling to get those calendars back to what we know and expect. 2020 has been thrown for a loop, and 2021 will likely be impacted greatly by that.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 18, 2020 14:03:09 GMT -6
They don't have data, the politicians and governors are just stalling and saying whatever will keep them safe politically. Especially with private practice doctors staying home doing video conferencing, how are they supposed to collect data then? Antibody testing, immunity testing... it can't happen if we're all home. The media backed themselves into a corner letting Trump get off the hook by throwing it to the states. Now the blood will be on the governors hands based on how many deaths there are when they open things up. Probably dumb on the medias part. Newsom out in CA wants to keep large events suspended until a vaccine... preposterous. A vaccine may only protect 30% of the population even if we get one. We don't have a vaccine for norovirus, HIV, SARS back in 2003. I for one believe the west coast probably had it in the fall and just didn't know it. 450,000 people traveled from china to the US since the fall and we know china didn't stop international travel, just domestic from Hubei . Unless they have secret data they're not telling us this was a huge overreaction, infact we know they are inflating the numbers. Not to mention the economic incentive COVID patients bring to hospitals. Making everyone suffer equally by not letting any herd immunity take place only makes this last longer! Since DCI was scrapped I fully plan on attending GN with all of the cash we cannot spend at the moment. Let's look forward to something, shan't we!?
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Post by dallasman on Apr 20, 2020 9:09:51 GMT -6
You’re just a ray of sunshine ain’t ya? I think BOA will return for 2021 and even the concert season without much of a problem. I'm not sure how my take on the situation is perceived as wholly negative. It's true. I have attended dozens of BOA events over the years, volunteered a while back, & know what goes into it like many on this board. There are far more spectators that go to these events that have no idea what is going on.They go to support their kids. They spend hours to support their friends and/or relatives. If the confidence of those non-loyalist consumers is still shaken by the fall, ticket sales and much more will be significantly impacted. I suppose that has to already be the assumption across the board for any live event producers who rely on thousands of live audiences.
Renting out large scale venues in some areas (even at a discount) is not cheap, as all know. If the show goes on, I would dare say that this does damage to Bands of America.
People have their selfish reasons for wanting a season to play out as BOA is one of the few things they have in their lives (not speaking of you specifically, but generally). That's why I think I meet such resistance on a board like this and not DCP. Economically, how does a 2020 BOA season make sense right now-- for anyone? Massive gatherings of hundreds on a field every hour, thousands of spectators (including MANY with pre-existing conditions), for what? For marching band?
HOW DO SOCIAL DISTANCING GUIDELINES (per state guidelines/exec orders) LIFT IN ORDER FOR THESE LARGE SCALE EVENTS TO OCCUR?
Look, I'm all for the HERD mentality. Personal responsibility and all of that. Let it all happen the way it's going to happen & be as smart as you can be for you & your family.
It would be highly irresponsible for BOA to have a 2020 fall season. They should let all of the schools know now that they'll be ready to come back better than ever NEXT year.
The world will survive. Your grandfather may not. For many, marching band competitions (or virtually any other large gathering) are not worth attending w/ that type of fear in the back of one's mind.
The only possible solution that I can see involves the complicated tasks of scaling down large scale events to high school stadiums and streaming the content online. But the same fear will exist, even if the coronavirus is being overhyped (which in some cases it IS). And if students are not playing for anyone in the stands, and it's a simple run-through, what's the point?
And this doesn't even account for mass gathering practices (and any school district guidelines that may prevent schools from fielding a band).
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Post by turfday on Apr 20, 2020 10:01:08 GMT -6
You're ignoring any chance of the virus being less of an issue in the fall, which it will. Will it still exist? Yes. But we can't make any of those drastic calls until we see how June and July play out. Because June and July are key months that decide when we reopen up or not.
With full global attention to finding a vaccine it's a waiting game now. I doubt it'll be available by 2021, it'll be here this year which month? I don't know. None of us know.
You could've delivered those points fine without the tone of aggressiveness you're putting on. You're saying everyone has selfish reasons for wanting boa to return, that's incredibly rude and you're not helping anyone by throwing out claims like these. You're only hurting. You think you're helping by being the doomsday guy delivering the news nobody wants to hear and you know what? We do need to hear that news but not in the condescending aggressive tone you're using
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 20, 2020 10:05:21 GMT -6
You’re just a ray of sunshine ain’t ya? I think BOA will return for 2021 and even the concert season without much of a problem. I'm not sure how my take on the situation is perceived as wholly negative. It's true. I have attended dozens of BOA events over the years, volunteered a while back, & know what goes into it like many on this board. There are far more spectators that go to these events that have no idea what is going on.They go to support their kids. They spend hours to support their friends and/or relatives. If the confidence of those non-loyalist consumers is still shaken by the fall, ticket sales and much more will be significantly impacted. I suppose that has to already be the assumption across the board for any live event producers who rely on thousands of live audiences.
Renting out large scale venues in some areas (even at a discount) is not cheap, as all know. If the show goes on, I would dare say that this does damage to Bands of America.
People have their selfish reasons for wanting a season to play out as BOA is one of the few things they have in their lives (not speaking of you specifically, but generally). That's why I think I meet such resistance on a board like this and not DCP. Economically, how does a 2020 BOA season make sense right now-- for anyone? Massive gatherings of hundreds on a field every hour, thousands of spectators (including MANY with pre-existing conditions), for what? For marching band?
HOW DO SOCIAL DISTANCING GUIDELINES (per state guidelines/exec orders) LIFT IN ORDER FOR THESE LARGE SCALE EVENTS TO OCCUR?
Look, I'm all for the HERD mentality. Personal responsibility and all of that. Let it all happen the way it's going to happen & be as smart as you can be for you & your family.
It would be highly irresponsible for BOA to have a 2020 fall season. They should let all of the schools know now that they'll be ready to come back better than ever NEXT year.
The world will survive. Your grandfather may not. For many, marching band competitions (or virtually any other large gathering) are not worth attending w/ that type of fear in the back of one's mind.
The only possible solution that I can see involves the complicated tasks of scaling down large scale events to high school stadiums and streaming the content online. But the same fear will exist, even if the coronavirus is being overhyped (which in some cases it IS). And if students are not playing for anyone in the stands, and it's a simple run-through, what's the point?
And this doesn't even account for mass gathering practices (and any school district guidelines that may prevent schools from fielding a band).
Of course, it's not simply MFA that can make this call. They are at the mercy of any particular State in which an event is being hosted. Ohio may have different guidelines in place than Indiana. Texas may have different guidelines than Missouri. This goes not only for the events themselves, but for the school systems. Some States, or even individual districts might well put the skids on extracurricular activities. Unless this truly disappears early Summer, I'm having a difficult time seeing a normal marching season in the Fall. As Allohak mentioned upstream a bit, it's not going to be an all or nothing return to normalcy. Certain aspects of life are more critical than others and will take precedence. Economic aspects, getting businesses back, yes, schools reopened. But in the scheme of things I'd guess that High School Marching Band competitions are pretty far down the list of risks to take at the outset. I'm hopeful that we'll see our groups on the field this Fall, but I'll hardly be surprised if that doesn't happen.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 20, 2020 10:51:49 GMT -6
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Post by MarchingManiac on Apr 20, 2020 11:15:33 GMT -6
With the new guidelines that the President issued for re-opening, Indiana itself would have to be at phase 3 for the big BOA event (grand nationals to happen).
That’s a month and a half of downward trend in cases and in people reporting symptoms. Additionally, robust testing (including the antibody testing.
With that said, we don’t know. That could be achieved by June or it could be December after marching season is over. What we do know, and I know that this has been mentioned. June and July will be key months.
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Post by Allohak on Apr 20, 2020 11:29:57 GMT -6
You’re just a ray of sunshine ain’t ya? I think BOA will return for 2021 and even the concert season without much of a problem. I'm not sure how my take on the situation is perceived as wholly negative. It's true. I have attended dozens of BOA events over the years, volunteered a while back, & know what goes into it like many on this board. There are far more spectators that go to these events that have no idea what is going on.They go to support their kids. They spend hours to support their friends and/or relatives. If the confidence of those non-loyalist consumers is still shaken by the fall, ticket sales and much more will be significantly impacted. I suppose that has to already be the assumption across the board for any live event producers who rely on thousands of live audiences.
Renting out large scale venues in some areas (even at a discount) is not cheap, as all know. If the show goes on, I would dare say that this does damage to Bands of America.
People have their selfish reasons for wanting a season to play out as BOA is one of the few things they have in their lives (not speaking of you specifically, but generally). That's why I think I meet such resistance on a board like this and not DCP. Economically, how does a 2020 BOA season make sense right now-- for anyone? Massive gatherings of hundreds on a field every hour, thousands of spectators (including MANY with pre-existing conditions), for what? For marching band?
HOW DO SOCIAL DISTANCING GUIDELINES (per state guidelines/exec orders) LIFT IN ORDER FOR THESE LARGE SCALE EVENTS TO OCCUR?
Look, I'm all for the HERD mentality. Personal responsibility and all of that. Let it all happen the way it's going to happen & be as smart as you can be for you & your family.
It would be highly irresponsible for BOA to have a 2020 fall season. They should let all of the schools know now that they'll be ready to come back better than ever NEXT year.
The world will survive. Your grandfather may not. For many, marching band competitions (or virtually any other large gathering) are not worth attending w/ that type of fear in the back of one's mind.
The only possible solution that I can see involves the complicated tasks of scaling down large scale events to high school stadiums and streaming the content online. But the same fear will exist, even if the coronavirus is being overhyped (which in some cases it IS). And if students are not playing for anyone in the stands, and it's a simple run-through, what's the point?
And this doesn't even account for mass gathering practices (and any school district guidelines that may prevent schools from fielding a band).
You make some good points in this post - I think the overall reaction to your posts has been mostly tone-related, the content itself isn't so far off from common opinions, I'd wager. Keep on keepin' on my friend
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