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Post by dallasman on Oct 26, 2019 22:30:14 GMT -6
Pleased to see how close 5th-16th are (two panels notwithstanding).
Excited to see what comes of a few shows: Centerville, Marian, and Fishers. I think all three can make finals in three weeks.
Four points is not that far apart.
80 bands competed here? No wonder things get weird.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 26, 2019 22:30:57 GMT -6
So know we know going in between Carmel and Avon is much preferred to going AFTER Avon I really have to rethink Homestead making GN Finals. Forget the placement. They were barely a point over Fishers and LT, and nearly 6 off of Avon. I’m having a tough time seeing then clean this enough. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens. They have the show but it is definitely still dirty. You seem more familiar with their typical cleaning schedule than I do, so what may seem achievable to us may not to you. Then again you are also know for being critical towards them hahaha. If they clean I see them in. If they struggle to clean then I could see them out.
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Post by dallasman on Oct 26, 2019 22:32:50 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Avon. Since you’re the BOA Historian, this is a great question for you. Has Marian Catholic ever missed finals at the Indy regional? This is Marian’s first ever regional finals miss.
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 26, 2019 22:40:03 GMT -6
Grove city putting out some impressive music numbers. And ended up scoring an 78.20 for those keeping track of predicting scores from a few weeks ago ... haha
Also did Centerville beat Lincoln-Way back at Muncie? Now not even finals ...
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 26, 2019 22:44:07 GMT -6
Grove city putting out some impressive music numbers. And ended up scoring an 78.20 for those keeping track of predicting scores from a few weeks ago ... haha Also did Centerville beat Lincoln-Way back at Muncie? Now not even finals ... Yep. Lincoln Way was really pretty underwhelming at Muncie, though. This weekend's performances were like night and day from Muncie.
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Post by dallasman on Oct 26, 2019 22:47:08 GMT -6
Grove city putting out some impressive music numbers. And ended up scoring an 78.20 for those keeping track of predicting scores from a few weeks ago ... haha Also did Centerville beat Lincoln-Way back at Muncie? Now not even finals ... This is Lincoln-Way’s final performance of the year. I’m not sure that Cville would catch up later on, but certain bands maxed out tonight. Others obviously are working toward the bigger event.
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Post by thewho on Oct 26, 2019 22:48:26 GMT -6
So know we know going in between Carmel and Avon is much preferred to going AFTER Avon I really have to rethink Homestead jomaking GN Finals. Forget the placement. They were barely a point over Fishers and LT, and nearly 6 off of Avon. I’m having a tough time seeing then clean this enough. The crux of spread is mostly because Homestead wasn't executing musically and visually. They actualy were keeping pace with Lincoln-Way in Music GE and trailing in Visual GE (but not so far behind). Homestead will get this done if they are at least 90% clean at state finals. If not... well, panic button time.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 26, 2019 22:55:54 GMT -6
This is regional win number 12 for Avon. Since you’re the BOA Historian, this is a great question for you. Has Marian Catholic ever missed finals at the Indy regional? I do not believe Marian attended any regionals during the early 80s. So this would be the very first time Marian Catholic has missed finals at any BOA regional that they have attended.
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Post by thewho on Oct 26, 2019 22:59:18 GMT -6
I hope this doesn't get buried too far deep in this thread, but thank you to all the bands that came to Indy Super- especially those who arrived later in the day on Saturday and had to suffer the constant downpour. It was a god-awful day all around, and I can only hope everything else aside from the weather was fantastic.
As far as competing bands go, this by far has to be the most competitive Indy Super ever yet. Congratulations to those that advanced to finals. To those who didnt, just remember this: if prelims were ran again, the results will always be different. I'm sorry that this particular run put you out.
Lastly, I was blown away by the fans in the stand for the performances. I have never seen Indy Super pack the stands so much like they did on Saturday. Thanks for coming down and staying for finals.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Oct 26, 2019 23:12:55 GMT -6
I hope this doesn't get buried too far deep in this thread, but thank you to all the bands that came to Indy Super- especially those who arrived later in the day on Saturday and had to suffer the constant downpour. It was a god-awful day all around, and I can only hope everything else aside from the weather was fantastic. As far as competing bands go, this by far has to be the most competitive Indy Super ever yet. Congratulations to those that advanced to finals. To those who didnt, just remember this: if prelims were ran again, the results will always be different. I'm sorry that this particular run put you out. Lastly, I was blown away by the fans in the stand for the performances. I have never seen Indy Super pack the stands so much like they did on Saturday. Thanks for coming down and staying for finals. Well said.
I have been following BOA for over 30 years and I never imagined that this activity would become so insanely competitive.
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Post by bandaid on Oct 26, 2019 23:16:02 GMT -6
I heard the announcer thank Plainfield for being the host school. What exactly does the host school do?
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 26, 2019 23:17:15 GMT -6
I heard the announcer thank Plainfield for being the host school. What exactly does the host school do? I want to say that their parents work concessions, and things like that.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 26, 2019 23:22:39 GMT -6
So yesterday, I wrote here that Grove City was:
A) better in music performance than Centerville or Center Grove; B) better in music performance than Waxahachie had been at Waco (16.60 Prelims; 16.85 Finals); C) probably at about 6th in music performance among Friday's bands; D) going to finish with a Finals-worthy music performance score; but E) not going to make Finals.
And about a month ago, I wrote here that Grove City's music performance rank would be at least ten places better than their visual performance rank.
Well, I haven't tried to figure out where they placed in visual performance, but they were 27th in overall score, so "at least" turns out to be a huge understatement.
Because here are the top 20 music performance scores in Prelims, with an "F" indicating bands that performed Friday:
1) 18.050 -- Blue Springs - AAA 2) 18.000 -- Avon - AAAA (F) 3) 17.850 -- Carmel - AAAA (F) 4) 17.600 -- O'Fallon Township - AAAA 5) 17.400 -- Lincoln-Way - AAAA 6) 17.300 -- Castle - AAA (F) 7) 17.250 -- Fishers - AAAA (F) 8-tie) 17.150 -- Grove City - AAA (F) 8-tie) 17.150 -- Lawrence Township - AAAA (F) 10) 17.050 -- Homestead - AAAA (F) 11) 16.950 -- Lockport Township - AAAA 12) 16.850 -- Centerville - AAAA (F) 13) 16.800 -- Brownsburg - AAAA (F) 14) 16.650 -- North Hardin - AA 15) 16.625 -- Grain Valley - AA 16) 16.600 -- Marian Catholic - AA 17) 16.450 -- Blue Springs South - AAA 18) 16.350 -- Greenfield Central - AA 19) 16.325 -- Mustang - AAAA 20) 16.250 -- Center Grove - AAAA (F)
(Indiana sure does seem to have a lot of big schools. In all of Ohio, there probably aren't many more 4A schools than just those listed above from Indiana.)
So Grove City did a little better musically than I predicted: tied for 5th in music performance on Friday.
And they were third in music peformance in their class, well behind Blue Springs but pretty close to Castle -- and I had pointed specifically to Castle's tuba feature as being comparable in difficulty to Grove City's (unfeatured) tuba work.
Grove City finished behind both Lakota East and Pickerington North in overall score. In OMEA, they'd probably have tied Lakota East and beat Pickerington North.
(And for better or worse, I think the "Ohio Music Education Association" would probably be happy to be told they put too much emphasis on music vs. visual.)
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Post by thewho on Oct 26, 2019 23:44:14 GMT -6
I heard the announcer thank Plainfield for being the host school. What exactly does the host school do? Host schools send students and parents to fill in roles that BOA may have been lacking in from their pool of event staff and regulsr volunteers. These would include warm-up monitors, tabulation runners, flow workers, program sellers and so on. Greenfield-Central and Plainfield shared hosting duties for Indy Super this year.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 26, 2019 23:48:30 GMT -6
I really have to rethink Homestead jomaking GN Finals. Forget the placement. They were barely a point over Fishers and LT, and nearly 6 off of Avon. I’m having a tough time seeing then clean this enough. The crux of spread is mostly because Homestead wasn't executing musically and visually. They actualy were keeping pace with Lincoln-Way in Music GE and trailing in Visual GE (but not so far behind). Homestead will get this done if they are at least 90% clean at state finals. If not... well, panic button time. I’d not expect any great strides in music performance. This has been an issue for a few years now. Visually I think they have a chance to clean up but all of the Indiana groups are running out of reasonable weather.
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Post by principalagent on Oct 26, 2019 23:54:02 GMT -6
So know we know going in between Carmel and Avon is much preferred to going AFTER Avon I really have to rethink Homestead making GN Finals. Forget the placement. They were barely a point over Fishers and LT, and nearly 6 off of Avon. I’m having a tough time seeing then clean this enough. Damn, we really had you on board for about a week! Homestead's going to be fine. Comfortably. The show has tons of room to grow. Also, the finals bubble has been kinda underwhelming so far. Round Rock is probably out, Park Vista scored fine but didn't wow, Union seems shakier than 2017, Marian is struggling (although I really did enjoy their show and see them in), Center Grove is behind, etc, etc. That makes it even more assured that Homestead makes it in.
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Post by bandaid on Oct 26, 2019 23:55:39 GMT -6
I heard the announcer thank Plainfield for being the host school. What exactly does the host school do? Host schools send students and parents to fill in roles that BOA may have been lacking in from their pool of event staff and regulsr volunteers. These would include warm-up monitors, tabulation runners, flow workers, program sellers and so on. Greenfield-Central and Plainfield shared hosting duties for Indy Super this year.Oh, ok, thanks!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 27, 2019 0:07:26 GMT -6
I really have to rethink Homestead making GN Finals. Forget the placement. They were barely a point over Fishers and LT, and nearly 6 off of Avon. I’m having a tough time seeing then clean this enough. Damn, we really had you on board for about a week! Homestead's going to be fine. Comfortably. The show has tons of room to grow. Also, the finals bubble has been kinda underwhelming so far. Round Rock is probably out, Park Vista scored fine but didn't wow, Union seems shakier than 2017, Marian is struggling (although I really did enjoy their show and see them in), Center Grove is behind, etc, etc. That makes it even more assured that Homestead makes it in. I refuse to listen to you. Things turn out better when I’m negative.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 0:08:06 GMT -6
Carmel is great, but this show does nothing for me Funny how perspective can be different. I actually love the show but Carmel is just not performing it well--which is still a better performance standard than 95% of bands. They're a 99th percentile band that isn't meeting the standard right now. While I want Texas to flood the medals, I want to see Carmel turn this around when I get to Indy next month. I'm not too fond of Carmel or Avon this year, so that result would mostly (*cough* Mason *cough*) be all right by me.
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Post by es203 on Oct 27, 2019 0:10:15 GMT -6
Funny how perspective can be different. I actually love the show but Carmel is just not performing it well--which is still a better performance standard than 95% of bands. They're a 99th percentile band that isn't meeting the standard right now. While I want Texas to flood the medals, I want to see Carmel turn this around when I get to Indy next month. I'm not too fond of Carmel or Avon this year, so that result would mostly (*cough* Mason *cough*) be all right by me. It would be awesome for Mason to place in the top 6 with all these Texas bands.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 0:14:45 GMT -6
I pity the fool who said Homestead couldn't go after Avon. Smh. Seriously, Homestead hit so many right notes with this show this year. Music choice, theme, staging, pace, design, etc. By far the best since 2011. Is it crazy to think they're not that far off Carmel and Avon? I'm responding to your post because on my drive down to New Philadelphia today, I noticed the Ohio Dept. of Transportation, as often, was using their electronic signs to lightheartedly encourage driver safety, and today the message was: "I pity the ghoul who drinks and drives." Mr. T is on people's minds, it seems.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 0:15:18 GMT -6
Note that Pachelbel is the basis for Avon's show, while there is some Bach in the show too! Thanks for this post. I was on the road from roughtly 2:30 p.m. to midnight, and am just catching up now, and was about to Tell A Mann that there was composer mix-up.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 0:18:43 GMT -6
So know we know going in between Carmel and Avon is much preferred to going AFTER Avon I really have to rethink Homestead making GN Finals. Forget the placement. They were barely a point over Fishers and LT, and nearly 6 off of Avon. I’m having a tough time seeing then clean this enough. I want them to make G.N. Finals in part because Grove City beat them (barely) in Music, and that would continue G.C.'s history (from 2002 and 2005) of outscoring eventual Finalist bands in Music.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 27, 2019 0:25:27 GMT -6
Also did Centerville beat Lincoln-Way back at Muncie? Now not even Finals ... Watching Muncie at the time, I had thought Centerville would place fourth.
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Post by principalagent on Oct 27, 2019 0:43:26 GMT -6
Also did Centerville beat Lincoln-Way back at Muncie? Now not even finals ... Same thing happened with Lockport and Marian.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 27, 2019 6:44:13 GMT -6
Damn, we really had you on board for about a week! Homestead's going to be fine. Comfortably. The show has tons of room to grow. Also, the finals bubble has been kinda underwhelming so far. Round Rock is probably out, Park Vista scored fine but didn't wow, Union seems shakier than 2017, Marian is struggling (although I really did enjoy their show and see them in), Center Grove is behind, etc, etc. That makes it even more assured that Homestead makes it in. I refuse to listen to you. Things turn out better when I’m negative. LOL! Hey, at least you’re honest!
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Post by indyguardmom on Oct 27, 2019 8:44:27 GMT -6
I agree. And I don't see Castle topping Homestead, Fishers or even Plainfield. It's a pity that Carroll isn't competing this weekend. If Fishers and Plainfield beat Castle this weekend I will skip around Monument Circle and record it. When do we get to see the recording? I guess it's only halfway around the circle, but still....
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 27, 2019 8:53:10 GMT -6
If Fishers and Plainfield beat Castle this weekend I will skip around Monument Circle and record it. When do we get to see the recording? I guess it's only halfway around the circle, but still.... Haha get on it! To be fair though maybe a 4th of a circle because castle did beat fishers in prelims. Tbh I’d say the prelims panel got it right, they’re about even, I’d even give music to castle.
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Post by MadScientist on Oct 27, 2019 9:37:22 GMT -6
I was surprised to see a particular well-known band with a director conducting music from the sidelines during finals. Is there a rule about this or is this okay?
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 27, 2019 9:58:33 GMT -6
I was surprised to see a particular well-known band with a director conducting music from the sidelines during finals. Is there a rule about this or is this okay? Nope no rule
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