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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 7, 2021 12:32:45 GMT -6
EDIT: thewho here, I've moved all relevant posts from the Weekly Rankings thread into this thread at the risk of getting off-topic. If you'd like to discuss the end of the 2019 weekly rankings or have any questions about the Hornrank Weekly Ranks, please refer it to this thread.I've got nothing to do since I'm at work, so I'll throw together a quick pre-season poll to pass your time. Unlike Jeremiah's polls, this is all science-based. 1.Homestead H.S., IN (19) 2.Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (1) 3.Avon H.S., IN (2) 4.Broken Arrow H.S., OK (4) 5.Vista Ridge H.S., TX (6) 6.Hebron H.S., TX (8) 7.Carmel H.S., IN (5) 8.Leander H.S., TX (7) 9.Marcus H.S., TX (10) 10.Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (12) 11.Tarpon Springs H.S., FL (9) 12.Blue Springs H.S., MO (11) 13.William Mason H.S., OH (17) 14.The Woodlands H.S., TX (13) 15.Wando H.S., SC (15) 16.Flower Mound H.S., TX (14) 17.LD Bell H.S., TX (16) 18.Lincoln-Way H.S., IL (18) 19.James Bowie H.S., TX (20) 20.Round Rock H.S., TX (22) 21.Vandegrift H.S., TX (3) 22.Keller H.S., TX (21) 23.Union H.S., OK (Next 10) 24.Haltom H.S., TX (23) 25.Ayala H.S., CA (31) 26.O'Fallon Township H.S., IL (24) 27.Pearland H.S., TX (25) 28.Cedar Ridge H.S., TX (26) 29.Fishers H.S., IN (Next 10) 30.Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (27) 31.Lawrence Township, IN (Next 10) 32.Westwood H.S., TX (29) First Out: Lafayette H.S., KY (30)
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Post by abtwitch on Sept 7, 2021 12:37:31 GMT -6
I've got nothing to do since I'm at work, so I'll throw together a quick pre-season poll to pass your time. Unlike Jeremiah's polls, this is all science-based. 1.Homestead H.S., IN (19) Can't argue with science
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Sept 7, 2021 12:46:17 GMT -6
I've got nothing to do since I'm at work, so I'll throw together a quick pre-season poll to pass your time. Unlike Jeremiah's polls, this is all science-based. 1.Homestead H.S., IN (19) Can't argue with science Think like a proton, Always Positive.
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Post by dbalash on Sept 7, 2021 13:58:02 GMT -6
I've got nothing to do since I'm at work, so I'll throw together a quick pre-season poll to pass your time. Unlike Jeremiah's polls, this is all science-based. 1.Homestead H.S., IN (19) Can't argue with science
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 7, 2021 14:02:39 GMT -6
Zounds! A challenge!
Hostrauser's 2021 Preseason Power Rankings: 1. Avon H.S., IN 2. Vandegrift H.S., TX 3. Ronald Reagan H.S., TX 4. Broken Arrow H.S., OK 5. Flower Mound H.S., TX 6. Hebron H.S., TX 7. Carmel H.S., IN 8. Leander H.S., TX 9. Tarpon Springs H.S., FL 10. Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX 11. Blue Springs H.S., MO 12. Marcus H.S., TX 13. Vista Ridge H.S., TX 14. The Woodlands H.S., TX 15. William Mason H.S., OH 16. Wando H.S., SC 17. Homestead H.S., IN 18. L.D. Bell H.S., TX 19. Haltom H.S., TX 20. Keller H.S., TX 21. Cedar Park H.S., TX 22. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 23. Union H.S., OK 24. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL 25. James Bowie H.S., TX 26. Cedar Ridge H.S., TX 27. Ayala H.S., CA 28. Castle H.S., IN 29. Round Rock H.S., TX 30. Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN
REGIONAL RANKINGS PACIFIC COAST (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 1. Ayala H.S., CA 2. Vista Murrieta H.S., CA 3. San Marcos H.S., CA 4. West Salem H.S., OR 5. James Logan H.S., CA 6. Mt. Carmel H.S., CA 7. Rancho Bernardo H.S., CA 8. Chino Hills H.S., CA 9. Mililani H.S., HI 10. Arcadia H.S., CA
MOUNTAIN WEST (AZ, ID, CO, MT, NM, NV UT, WY) 1. American Fork H.S., UT 2. Clovis H.S., NM 3. Air Academy H.S., CO 4. Foothill H.S., NV 5. Davis H.S., UT 6. Fossil Ridge H.S., CO 7. Legend H.S., CO 8. Desert Vista H.S., AZ 9. Green Canyon H.S., UT 10. La Cueva H.S., NM
LONE STAR (TX) 1. Vandegrift H.S., TX 2. Ronald Reagan H.S., TX 3. Flower Mound H.S., TX 4. Hebron H.S., TX 5. Leander H.S., TX 6. Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX 7. Marcus H.S., TX 8. Vista Ridge H.S., TX 9. The Woodlands H.S., TX 10. L.D. Bell H.S., TX
GREAT PLAINS (IA, KS, ND, NE, SD) 1. Sioux Falls Lincoln H.S., SD 2. Gretna H.S., NE 3. Bellevue West H.S., NE 4. Blue Valley West H.S., KS 5. Blue Valley H.S., KS 6. Millard West H.S., NE 7. Buhler H.S., KS 8. Waukee H.S., IA 9. Bellevue East H.S., NE 10. Independence H.S., IA
OZARKS (AR, LA, MO, OK) 1. Broken Arrow H.S., OK 2. Blue Springs H.S., MO 3. Union H.S., OK 4. Mustang H.S., OK 5. Jenks H.S., OK 6. Owasso H.S., OK 7. Camdenton H.S., MO 8. Bentonville H.S., AR 9. Bixby H.S., OK 10. Lafayette H.S., LA
GREAT LAKES - WEST (IL, MN, WI) 1. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 2. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL 3. Rosemount H.S., MN 4. Lockport Township H.S., IL 5. Marian Catholic H.S., IL 6. Prospect H.S., IL 7. Morton H.S., IL 8. Belleville East H.S., IL 9. Eden Prairie H.S., MN 10. Eastview H.S., MN
GREAT LAKES - EAST (MI, OH) 1. William Mason H.S., OH 2. Centerville H.S., OH 3. Rockford H.S., MI 4. Plymouth-Canton E.P., MI 5. Jenison H.S., MI 6. Miamisburg H.S., OH 7. Lake Orion H.S., MI 8. Lakota West H.S., OH 9. Forest Hills Schools, OH 10. Lakota East H.S., OH
SPEEDWAY (IN) 1. Avon H.S., IN 2. Carmel H.S., IN 3. Homestead H.S., IN 4. Castle H.S., IN 5. Fishers H.S., IN 6. Lawrence Township H.S., IN 7. Center Grove H.S., IN 8. Carroll H.S., IN 9. Brownsburg H.S., IN 10. Decatur Central H.S., IN
MID-ATLANTIC (DE, MD, NJ, PA, VA, WV) 1. Kiski Area H.S., PA 2. Norwin H.S., PA 3. James Madison H.S., VA 4. Bassett H.S., VA 5. Spring-Ford H.S., PA 6. Mechanicsburg H.S., PA 7. Hickory H.S., VA 8. Moon Area H.S., PA 9. Thomas Jefferson H.S., VA 10. John Champe H.S., VA
NEW ENGLAND (CT, MA, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT) 1. West Genesee H.S., NY 2. Trumbull H.S., CT 3. Arlington H.S., NY 4. Dartmouth H.S., MA 5. Blackstone-Millville H.S., MA 6. Southington H.S., CT 7. Norwalk H.S., CT 8. Cicero-North Syracuse H.S., NY 9. Baldwinsville H.S., NY 10. Newtown H.S., CT
Sorry, I don't really track the southern bands. With the exception of a few states (like Kentucky, with the excellent KYBands website), the information is just too hard to come by.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Sept 7, 2021 17:36:33 GMT -6
My opinion
NEW ENGLAND (CT, MA, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT) 1. Dartmouth H.S., MA 2. Arlington H.S., NY 3. Norwalk H.S., CT 4. King Philip Regional H.S., MA 5. Trumbull H.S., CT 6. Blackstone-Millville Regional H.S., MA 7. West Genesee H.S., NY 8. Cicero-North Syracuse H.S., NY 9. Southington H.S., CT or Wakefield H.S., MA or Victor H.S., NY 10. Shepherd Hill Regional H.S., MA
1. Dartmouth H.S., MA - 4 year streak in USBands National, 2019 earn the highest score in UsBands, they dominate their local comp. even getting a score of 99+ a one point. 2. Arlington H.S., NY - 3 year streak in NYSFBC 3. Norwalk H.S., CT - 3 year unbeatable streak in UsBands and Nationals 4. King Philip Regional H.S., MA - Always stayed in the top 3 range in nationals and is great in their division @ NESBA 5. Trumbull H.S., CT - [Watch them live in 2019 dropping down to V Open when they got 4th place 3.425 point behind Dartmouth. On a downward trend.] 6. Blackstone-Millville Regional H.S., MA [2019 has the second highest score in National (98+)] 7. West Genesee H.S., NY 8. Cicero-North Syracuse H.S., NY 9. Southington H.S., CT or Wakefield H.S., MA or Victor H.S., NY
Victor: after 2015 (NYSFBC Champion) has been a challenge to beat after the coming seasons, but they are slowly losing power, but I have hope they will be fine,
Wakefield H.S: they are the closes to beating Dartmouth for three year and closes on making Finals in BOA
Southington: 2nd place in VI Open (2018) and V Open (2019)- Saw them live great show and color guard, and stayed in the top 5 since 2015
10. Baldwinsville H.S., NY or Shepherd Hill Regional H.S., MA -
Shepherd Hill Regional - 3 year ongoing streak in Nationals and 2 year before won II Open Nationals and great in Division 2 NESBA. Won in 2019 in both comps.
Baldwinsville - They on the rise and has beating many of NY bands in 2019
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Post by gregorydf on Sept 7, 2021 18:10:16 GMT -6
Are we going to see a new top 32 (or 30) next week prior to the first BOA contest of 2021? In the past jeremiah and his team have started each season with a ranking following week 1 of BOA season. There has never been a pre-season poll. Hate to disagree but they usually are a few days prior to the first contests, take a look: 2019: First Posting was 9/17 and first BOA contest was 9/21. The first paragraph on the posting: "The first rankings of a new season always seem to come out way too soon. But with just a handful of days before the first BOA regional, it's time to see how the early season videos, staff changes, and reckless speculation have affected our contributors opinions on the top bands in the nation". 2018: First posting was 9/18, first BOA contest was 9/22 2017: First posting was 9/12, first BOA contest was 9/16 2016: First posting was 9/13, first BOA contest was 9/17 ect... Looking forward to the first posting from jeremiah and his team soon and enjoying all the other inputs so far!
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 7, 2021 18:31:34 GMT -6
In the past jeremiah and his team have started each season with a ranking following week 1 of BOA season. There has never been a pre-season poll. Hate to disagree but they usually are a few days prior to the first contests, take a look: No you don't. Thanks for the correction - I saw the mid-September dates of posting without looking at a calendar and assumed they were right after week 1 when in fact they have been right before week 1.
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Post by abtwitch on Sept 7, 2021 19:39:45 GMT -6
I'll do the remaining south states hostrauser missed.
Southeast-ish (AL, FL, GA, KY, MS, NC, SC, TN) 1) Tarpon Springs H.S., FL 2) Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN 3) Wando H.S., SC 4) Lafayette H.S., KY 5) Park Vista H.S., FL 6) Harrison H.S., GA 7) Stoneman Douglas H.S., FL 8) Cleveland H.S., NC 9) West Broward H.S., FL 10) Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 7, 2021 21:09:46 GMT -6
Are we going to see a new top 32 (or 30) next week prior to the first BOA contest of 2021? yes if you think you are marching band expert and want to contribute to the rankings, email me jeremiah@hornrank.com. I know this has been mentioned before, but I think it would be cool if there could be a top 8 (or whatever number) for each BOA class. It would be cool if some Class A bands could get some love, for example.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 8, 2021 7:26:57 GMT -6
Hate to disagree but they usually are a few days prior to the first contests, take a look: No you don't. ha Greg is actually one of the nicest gentlemen you’ll ever meet!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 8, 2021 7:28:19 GMT -6
Are we going to see a new top 32 (or 30) next week prior to the first BOA contest of 2021? yes if you think you are marching band expert and want to contribute to the rankings, email me jeremiah@hornrank.com. I know a few great men!
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 8:30:54 GMT -6
I know this has been mentioned before, but I think it would be cool if there could be a top 8 (or whatever number) for each BOA class. It would be cool if some Class A bands could get some love, for example. I like that idea a lot. Here are my own, personal Top 12 per BOA Class preseason rankings (plus the next band up): CLASS AAAA 1. Avon H.S., IN 2. Vandegrift H.S., TX 3. Ronald Reagan H.S., TX 4. Broken Arrow H.S., OK 5. Flower Mound H.S., TX 6. Hebron H.S., TX 7. Carmel H.S., IN 8. Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX 9. Blue Springs H.S., MO 10. Marcus H.S., TX 11. Vista Ridge H.S., TX 12. The Woodlands H.S., TX (13. William Mason H.S., OH) CLASS AAA 1. Leander H.S., TX 2. Cedar Park H.S., TX 3. Castle H.S., IN 4. Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN 5. Stephen F. Austin H.S., TX 6. Harrison H.S., GA 7. Wakeland H.S., TX 8. Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA 9. Clovis H.S., NM 10. Franklin H.S., TN 11. West Salem H.S., OR 12. Prospect H.S., IL (13. Rouse H.S., TX) CLASS AA 1. Tarpon Springs H.S., FL 2. Marian Catholic H.S., IL 3. Camdenton H.S., MO 4. North Hardin H.S., KY 5. Jenison H.S., MI 6. Air Academy H.S., CO 7. Coweta H.S., OK 8. Kiski Area H.S., PA 9. Fort Zumwalt North H.S., MO 10. Green Canyon H.S., UT 11. Grain Valley H.S., MO 12. Norwin H.S., PA (13. Morton H.S., IL) CLASS A 1. Bourbon County H.S., KY 2. Beechwood H.S., KY 3. Estill County H.S., KY 4. Independence H.S., IA 5. Edgewood H.S., IN 6. Murray H.S., KY 7. Lewis Cass H.S., IN 8. Godwin Heights H.S., MI 9. Springs Valley Jr./Sr. H.S., IN 10. Ninety Six H.S., SC 11. Archbishop Alter H.S., OH 12. Union City H.S., TN (13. Forest Park Jr./Sr. H.S., IN)
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Post by principalagent on Sept 8, 2021 8:51:20 GMT -6
Go ahead and take this one off. They might actually be AAA this season.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 9:20:32 GMT -6
Go ahead and take this one off. They might actually be AAA this season. I realize now that I had the wrong Johnson H.S. listed in my database. It is really, really, really frustrating that BOA doesn't post the city locations of the bands attending their competitions.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 8, 2021 10:13:31 GMT -6
No Greenfield-Central in AA after they have beaten Camdenton? Also no Western in A or were you also considering them AA? When you get to the lower classes, things definitely get more murky heh.
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Post by paddy on Sept 8, 2021 10:30:32 GMT -6
No Greenfield-Central in AA after they have beaten Camdenton? Also no Western in A or were you also considering them AA? When you get to the lower classes, things definitely get more murky heh. i still contend the calculation he uses is skewing a couple schools due to outlier results.
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Post by trumpet300 on Sept 8, 2021 10:33:18 GMT -6
My top 12's would look like this. I want to preface by saying that I haven't seen most of these bands yet this year so this is my "too early to tell" predictions you might say.
4A:
1.Ronald Reagan 2.Vandegrift 3.Avon 4.Flower Mound 5.Broken Arrow 6.Hebron 7.Carmel 8.CTJ 9.Marcus 10.Vista Ridge 11.Blue Springs 12.William Mason
3A:
1.Leander 2.Castle 3.Cedar Park 4.DB 5.Harrison 6.Stephen F. Austin 7.Kennesaw Mountain 8.Wakeland 9.Franklin 10.Prospect 11.Clovis 12.Rouse
2A:
1.Tarpon Springs 2.Marian Catholic 3.Camdenton 4.North Hardin 5.Miamisburg 6.Norwin 7.Green Canyon 8.Air Academy 9.Jenison 10.Fort Zumwalt North 11.Kiski 12.Coweta
1A: I don't have enough knowledge of these ensembles to make any guesses here.
I'm sure many will disagree with what I said but this is my preseason guess....it will definitely change I'm sure as we start to see scores and the effects covid has had on some of these places.
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Post by MadScientist on Sept 8, 2021 10:41:09 GMT -6
Hostrauser's 2021 Preseason Power Rankings:REGIONAL RANKINGSPACIFIC COAST (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) MOUNTAIN WEST (AZ, ID, CO, MT, NM, UT, WY) LONE STAR (TX) GREAT PLAINS (IA, KS, ND, NE, SD) OZARKS (AR, LA, MO, OK) GREAT LAKES - WEST (IL, MN, WI) GREAT LAKES - EAST (MI, OH) SPEEDWAY (IN) MID-ATLANTIC (DE, MD, NJ, PA, VA, WV) NEW ENGLAND (CT, MA, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT) Southeast-ish (AL, FL, GA, KY, MS, NC, SC, TN) Y'all are missing a state...
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Post by principalagent on Sept 8, 2021 10:50:07 GMT -6
Hostrauser's 2021 Preseason Power Rankings:REGIONAL RANKINGSPACIFIC COAST (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) MOUNTAIN WEST (AZ, ID, CO, MT, NM, UT, WY) LONE STAR (TX) GREAT PLAINS (IA, KS, ND, NE, SD) OZARKS (AR, LA, MO, OK) GREAT LAKES - WEST (IL, MN, WI) GREAT LAKES - EAST (MI, OH) SPEEDWAY (IN) MID-ATLANTIC (DE, MD, NJ, PA, VA, WV) NEW ENGLAND (CT, MA, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT) Southeast-ish (AL, FL, GA, KY, MS, NC, SC, TN) Y'all are missing a state... Nevada isn’t listed here but was represented in the Mountain West list
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Post by Allohak on Sept 8, 2021 10:50:36 GMT -6
Hostrauser's 2021 Preseason Power Rankings:REGIONAL RANKINGSPACIFIC COAST (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) MOUNTAIN WEST (AZ, ID, CO, MT, NM, UT, WY) LONE STAR (TX) GREAT PLAINS (IA, KS, ND, NE, SD) OZARKS (AR, LA, MO, OK) GREAT LAKES - WEST (IL, MN, WI) GREAT LAKES - EAST (MI, OH) SPEEDWAY (IN) MID-ATLANTIC (DE, MD, NJ, PA, VA, WV) NEW ENGLAND (CT, MA, ME, NH, NY, RI, VT) Southeast-ish (AL, FL, GA, KY, MS, NC, SC, TN) Y'all are missing a state... Nevada should be in the Mountain West group Edit: jinx principalagent
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 8, 2021 10:53:35 GMT -6
No Greenfield-Central in AA after they have beaten Camdenton? Also no Western in A or were you also considering them AA? When you get to the lower classes, things definitely get more murky heh. i still contend the calculation he uses is skewing a couple schools due to outlier results. Oh that's true. I forgot he's basing it off a formula rather than personal thought. He's a machine after all 😜
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 8, 2021 10:59:26 GMT -6
That said, I would have thought that Norton (OH) would have made the list by numbers as well.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 11:24:42 GMT -6
No Greenfield-Central in AA after they have beaten Camdenton? Also no Western in A or were you also considering them AA? When you get to the lower classes, things definitely get more murky heh. Greenfield-Central just barely beat Camdenton (by 0.075) in 2018 Prelims, and Camdenton was much improved in 2019. Should I just ignore all of the other performances from each band in 2018 and 2019? For example, at that same 2018 GN Prelims panel, Franklin TN beat Camdenton by almost 10 points. Yet the very next season, Camdenton topped Franklin at St. Louis prelims. Or how about 2019 head to head against common opponents? In the same panels, Camdenton topped Ft. Zumwalt North by 3.475 at St. Louis, and Ft. Zumwalt North topped Greenfield-Central by 2.700 at Indy. So yes, Camdenton over Greenfield-Central. As for outlier scores... there are no outlier scores. Every band, every show is weighted towards a year-end national average. Panel differences are consider. Head to heads are considered. Common opponents are considered. The biggest flaw I have with my own rankings is they are rear-facing, they don't look forward. But I think they are very accurate retrospective rankings.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 11:28:43 GMT -6
That said, I would have thought that Norton (OH) would have made the list by numbers as well. I have both Western, IN (#22) and Norton, OH (#30) just barely over the line into AA. Something like 620-630 enrollment 10-12 for both. I'm waiting for the newest enrollment statistics from the department of education before updating my BOA spreadsheet again. With over 800 bands, it's quite a task.
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Post by paddy on Sept 8, 2021 12:41:25 GMT -6
No Greenfield-Central in AA after they have beaten Camdenton? Also no Western in A or were you also considering them AA? When you get to the lower classes, things definitely get more murky heh. Greenfield-Central just barely beat Camdenton (by 0.075) in 2018 Prelims, and Camdenton was much improved in 2019. Should I just ignore all of the other performances from each band in 2018 and 2019? For example, at that same 2018 GN Prelims panel, Franklin TN beat Camdenton by almost 10 points. Yet the very next season, Camdenton topped Franklin at St. Louis prelims. Or how about 2019 head to head against common opponents? In the same panels, Camdenton topped Ft. Zumwalt North by 3.475 at St. Louis, and Ft. Zumwalt North topped Greenfield-Central by 2.700 at Indy. So yes, Camdenton over Greenfield-Central. As for outlier scores... there are no outlier scores. Every band, every show is weighted towards a year-end national average. Panel differences are consider. Head to heads are considered. Common opponents are considered. The biggest flaw I have with my own rankings is they are rear-facing, they don't look forward. But I think they are very accurate retrospective rankings. Greenfield beat Camdenton head to head in 2018 on the same panel with the same judges performing back to back during semi-finals by 1.35 points. At 2019 Ft Zumwalt North beat Greenfield by 1.45 not 2.7. That type of data issue casts some questions on the methodology. Speaking of head to head, while different panels Greenfield beat Jenison by 2.67 at 2018 GN prelims, though Jenison did beat them at 2019 GN Prelims by 3.3 (again different panels). However, when you look at semis in 2019, the gap was only 2.05. There are always outlier scores, Jenison at 84.35 in 2019 prelims is way out of line when looking at their last 4 years of scores. The fact that you are weighting scores for any number of reasons means that there are outlier scores. And this doesn't even delve in to the issues of using year long scores from different panels when different schools have different timelines on when they want to peak.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 12:56:59 GMT -6
At 2019 Ft Zumwalt North beat Greenfield by 1.45 not 2.7. That type of data issue casts some questions on the methodology. LOL
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 13:06:23 GMT -6
Jenison at 84.35 in 2019 prelims is way out of line when looking at their last 4 years of scores. Is it? Why do you say so? Also, I don't compare scores from year to year. Each year is its own whole, because bands have good years and bad years, directors change, etc.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 8, 2021 13:12:15 GMT -6
But that doesn't invalidate any of the scores! Jenison beat Plymouth-Canton at 2019 Toledo. Plymouth-Canton beat Jenison at 2019 GN Semis. Both of these statements are true and must be accepted, one doesn't cancel out the other. It would be wrong to disregard Jenison's score at Toledo just because PCEP beat them later in the year. And it would be wrong to disregard PCEP's score at Grand Nationals just because they lost to Jenison earlier in the season.
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Post by abtwitch on Sept 8, 2021 13:27:44 GMT -6
I think my biggest issue is putting so much stock into prelims scores. Judges are only trying to figure out who should qualify for the next round, everything else doesn't matter that much. Any sort of ranking system using prelims scores is going to be inherently flawed.
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