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Post by dbalash on Oct 16, 2021 23:07:05 GMT -6
Any updates on the Lincoln-Way invitational results? All I know so far is: 1. O'Fallon 2. Marian Catholic 3. Prospect
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Post by Shroom on Oct 17, 2021 3:19:25 GMT -6
Any updates on the Lincoln-Way invitational results? O'Fallon won everything but percussion, MC got 2nd, Prospect got 3rd. Lockport grabbed percussion from O'Fallon but didn't medal
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Post by lowbrasssax on Oct 17, 2021 11:32:18 GMT -6
Making my first post in forever to bring you LW scores!
1A: 1. Providence Catholic (Music)- 66.500 2. Eureka (General Effect)- 66.400 3. Herscher (Auxillary, Visual)- 66.300 4. Carl Sandburg (Percussion)- 62.900 5. Bloom Township- 54.350
2A: 1. Victor J. Andrew (Music, Visual, General Effect, Percussion)- 77.250 2. Lake Central (Auxillary)- 73.800 3. Lemont- 72.350 4. Huntley- 71.550 5. Joliet West- 65.300
3A: 1. O'Fallon Township (Music, Visual, General Effect, Auxillary)- 81.400 2. Marian Catholic- 79.050 3. Prospect- 78.650 4. Lockport Township (Percussion)- 78.050 5. Plainfield North- 72.700 6. Bloomington- 71.750
Being at the show I just wanted to say that it was so great being able to see live band again. Looking forward to ISU next week, should be an exciting one!
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Post by notinband on Oct 17, 2021 11:58:14 GMT -6
Making my first post in forever to bring you LW scores! 1A: 1. Providence Catholic (Music)- 66.500 2. Eureka (General Effect)- 66.400 3. Herscher (Auxillary, Visual)- 66.300 4. Carl Sandburg (Percussion)- 62.900 5. Bloom Township- 54.350 2A: 1. Victor J. Andrew (Music, Visual, General Effect, Percussion)- 77.250 2. Lake Central (Auxillary)- 73.800 3. Lemont- 72.350 4. Huntley- 71.550 5. Joliet West- 65.300 3A: 1. O'Fallon Township (Music, Visual, General Effect, Auxillary)- 81.400 2. Marian Catholic- 79.050 3. Prospect- 78.650 4. Lockport Township (Percussion)- 78.050 5. Plainfield North- 72.700 6. Bloomington- 71.750 Being at the show I just wanted to say that it was so great being able to see live band again. Looking forward to ISU next week, should be an exciting one! I was looking at the recaps. Between Marian Catholic, Prospect, and Lockport Township, the scores for Music, Visual, and GE indicate each band have areas to improve. No band appeared consistent across all captions. O’Fallon was mostly first in all scores, but finished fourth in Visual GE. We will see if these bands can improve in these areas before ISU next week, and St. Louis BOA for O'Fallon next weekend. Looking forward to ISU - long range weather forecast appears to be excellent next Saturday. I will be there!
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Post by dbalash on Oct 17, 2021 13:48:03 GMT -6
Naperville Central: 1A: 73.800 Wheeling (Music, Visual) 70.000 H.D. Jacobs 68.650 Plainfield South (DM) 67.050 A.A. Stagg (Auxiliary) 65.900 Naperville North 65.700 Niles West 64.400 Round Lake (Percussion) 63.100 Reavis 2A: 82.750 Lake Park (Music, GE. Percussion) 80.650 Batavia (Auxiliary) 78.550 Wheaton North (DM) 76.300 Buffalo Grove 76.050 Fremd (Visual) 75.800 Waubonsie Valley 75.400 Neuqua Valley 72.800 Oak Park/River Forest 66.300 East Aurora 3A: 79.500 Romeoville (Music, Visual, GE, Percussion, Auxiliary, DM) Recap: www.ilmarching.com/festivals_detail.php?FestivalID=1048&archive=0
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Post by dbalash on Oct 17, 2021 13:52:55 GMT -6
Dunlap: 1A: 48.630 Pleasant Plains (Music (tie), Visual, GE, Percussion, Auxiliary) 46.380 Dwight Township (Music (tie)) 43.690 Olympia 37.630 New Berlin 2A: 65.750 East Peoria (Music, GE) 57.130 Tri-Valley (Percussion) 56.380 Metamora (Visual, Auxiliary) 50.130 Farmington 3A: 68.440 Illinois Valley Central (Music, Visual, GE, Percussion, Auxiliary) 62.440 Macomb 61.000 Pontiac Township 57.940 Prairie Central 4A: 73.500 Rock Island (Music, Visual, GE, Percussion, Auxiliary) 70.440 Geneseo 69.500 Limestone Community 68.940 Monticello 5A: 83.130 Morton (Music, Visual, GE, Percussion) 77.150 Normal 74.190 Washington Community (Auxiliary) 73.060 Galesburg Recap: ilmarching.com/uploads/2021DunlapInvitationalRecap.xlsx
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Post by dbalash on Oct 17, 2021 13:53:40 GMT -6
Dunlap: 5A: 83.130 Morton (Music, Visual, GE, Percussion) New uniforms!
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 17, 2021 14:03:11 GMT -6
Dunlap: 5A: 83.130 Morton (Music, Visual, GE, Percussion) New uniforms! Wow, those look really nice
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 17, 2021 14:07:16 GMT -6
If O'Fallon was attending ISU, how do you guys think things would shake out between them, Morton, Lincoln-Way, and the other top Illinois bands that are attending? Any predictions for this scenario?
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 17, 2021 17:24:56 GMT -6
I was fortunate enough to be invited to the Lincoln-Way contest last night. It was a well-run contest with some nice 3A performances. • Lincoln-Way is in the clearest position to win Illinois State EVEN if O'Fallon attended. I saw them at Clarksville & this was slightly elevated, as to be expected. Since their season ends (?) in a week, I expect a decisive win. If they were to attend Grand Nationals, I would have them in the 14-18 range. • O'Fallon underwhelmed a tad HOWEVER they were deserving of winning the grand championship. I believe that they would be the clear leader for second place if they were to attend Illinois State. I think they'll be in the convo for GN finals, but their score relative to second place last night (and the crazy dirt of second place) is a tad troublesome. Strikes me as a mid teen placing group right now. • Prospect & Lockport Township were neck & neck. Good soloists, solid programs considering everything. Definite state finalists (upper half) if in the mix next week. • Bloomington had some nice moments, but were clearly challenged by the cold conditions & their visual ensemble seemed a little ratty. They should really consider having their students blow warm air into their horns while waiting for announcements. • Marian Catholic has the MOST dirt & the MOST going on of all of the bands. Some very cool crowd pleasing moments in this program, some extremely talented soloists, but their auxiliary needs to level up relative to the competition, they're going to have to pull it together from a visual ind & ensemble standpoint, too. Individuals sticking out visually, etc. Very messy but this is unsurprising, right? I am fairly confused at this point what this show is about or whether or not the musical selections ultimately fit, but the pacing is very good. If their group is over one half true beginners/freshmen, really not a bad performance at all. It'll be interesting to see how much they're able to improve over the next week. Guessing.. 1. Lincoln-Way (Decisively) 2. Marian Catholic 3. Morton 4. Lockport 5. Prospect If O'Fallon was attending ISU, how do you guys think things would shake out between them, Morton, Lincoln-Way, and the other top Illinois bands that are attending? Any predictions for this scenario?
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 17, 2021 17:46:32 GMT -6
I think they'll be in the convo for GN finals, but their score relative to second place last night (and the crazy dirt of second place) is a tad troublesome. Strikes me as a mid teen placing group right now. If O'Fallon was attending ISU, how do you guys think things would shake out between them, Morton, Lincoln-Way, and the other top Illinois bands that are attending? Any predictions for this scenario? Same thoughts here. I was a bit taken aback by the relatively close scores between OTHS and MC last night. I really want to see them in finals but as of right now I think 15-20 is a solid estimate for their placement. We'll have to see how things shake down at St Louis
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 18, 2021 8:16:15 GMT -6
I expected a 3-4 point gap, not 2, but just keep in mind that it isn't as if the second place band has nothing going on & doesn't have a lot of growth potential within their program. The fact that the scores are pretty close seems to bode well for the second place band in the grand scheme from a head-to-head standpoint. But it's only one panel and one performance. Obviously, these scores won't get it done long-term. <abbr data-timestamp="1634514392000" title="Oct 17, 2021 18:46:32 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time">Oct 17, 2021 18:46:32 GMT -5</abbr> uselesshoney said:I think they'll be in the convo for GN finals, but their score relative to second place last night (and the crazy dirt of second place) is a tad troublesome. Strikes me as a mid teen placing group right now. Same thoughts here. I was a bit taken aback by the relatively close scores between OTHS and MC last night. I really want to see them in finals but as of right now I think 15-20 is a solid estimate for their placement. We'll have to see how things shake down at St Louis
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Post by suburbanbandfan on Oct 18, 2021 20:58:13 GMT -6
These are my predictions for this weekends ISMBC. I would like to be able to post on ILMarching, but I can never past the security questions. This year is going to be interesting. The advanced and intermediate levels are close in skill. Finals is going to be one to watch. Class A- Illinois Valley Central HS Class AA- Morton HS Class Representation- Providence Catholic HS Class AAA- Marian Catholic Class AAAA- John Hersey HS Class Representation- Romeoville HS, Bloomington HS, Lemont HS Class AAAAA- Prospect HS Class AAAAAA- Lincoln-Way MB Class Representation- Lockport Township HS, Victor J Andrew HS, Normal MB, Plainfield North HS, Lake Park HS Finals Predictions 1st- Lincoln-Way MB 2nd- Marian Catholic 3rd- Morton HS 4th- Prospect HS 5th- John Hersey HS 6th- Victor J Andrew HS 7th- Lockport Township HS 8th- Normal MB 9th- Lake Park HS 10th- Plainfield North HS 11th- Romeoville HS 12th- Lemont HS 13th- Bloomington HS 14th- Providence Catholic 15th- Illinois Valley Central HS Other- Naperville Central, Edwardsville, and Oswego (VERY underrated) are bands I believe that are bubble 5A/6A class representation.
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 18, 2021 21:46:58 GMT -6
These are my predictions for this weekends ISMBC. I would like to be able to post on ILMarching, but I can never past the security questions. This year is going to be interesting. The advanced and intermediate levels are close in skill. Finals is going to be one to watch. Class A- Illinois Valley Central HS Class AA- Morton HS Class Representation- Providence Catholic HS Class AAA- Marian Catholic Class AAAA- John Hersey HS Class Representation- Romeoville HS, Bloomington HS, Lemont HS Class AAAAA- Prospect HS Class AAAAAA- Lincoln-Way MB Class Representation- Lockport Township HS, Victor J Andrew HS, Normal MB, Plainfield North HS, Lake Park HS Finals Predictions 1st- Lincoln-Way MB 2nd- Marian Catholic 3rd- Morton HS 4th- Prospect HS 5th- John Hersey HS 6th- Victor J Andrew HS 7th- Lockport Township HS 8th- Normal MB 9th- Lake Park HS 10th- Plainfield North HS 11th- Romeoville HS 12th- Lemont HS 13th- Bloomington HS 14th- Providence Catholic 15th- Illinois Valley Central HS Other- Naperville Central, Edwardsville, and Oswego (VERY underrated) are bands I believe that are bubble 5A/6A class representation. Really want to see Edwardsville in finals, the metro east/southern IL suffers from a lack of attention/representation other than O'Fallon in my opinion. Edwardsville and Belleville East are two great groups that I'd like to see get more love, with Belleville East consistently being top 25 at St Louis and Edwardsville now being a regional finalist for (I think) the first time.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 18, 2021 22:39:48 GMT -6
My personal Finals predictions.
1. Lincoln-Way 2. Marian Catholic 3. Lockport 4. Morton 5. Prospect 6. Lake Park 7. Edwardsville 8. Victor J. Andrew 9. Normal 10. Hersey 11. Collinsville 12. Romeoville 13. Lemont 14. Limestone 15. IVC
The race for the 3A-4A finals spots will be very close. Collinsville haven't had a competitive outing in a month, so what exactly that month off has produced remains to be seen. Lemont and Romeoville have had decent placements, but I'm not sure where they lie in relation to the non-South Suburbs groups. Bloomington don't strike me as being quite at the level to be in that last Finals spot. Perhaps even a band like Batavia could make a run at that last spot. Should be a very interesting and fun time on Saturday.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 18, 2021 23:07:49 GMT -6
I hope my man Clark Anderson & Romeoville breaks into the finals. Two seasons in a row at Illinois State finals. Would have never dreamed that their program would ever do so well. We'll see! My personal Finals predictions. 1. Lincoln-Way 2. Marian Catholic 3. Lockport 4. Morton 5. Prospect 6. Lake Park 7. Edwardsville 8. Victor J. Andrew 9. Normal 10. Hersey 11. Collinsville 12. Romeoville 13. Lemont 14. Limestone 15. IVC The race for the 3A-4A finals spots will be very close. Collinsville haven't had a competitive outing in a month, so what exactly that month off has produced remains to be seen. Lemont and Romeoville have had decent placements, but I'm not sure where they lie in relation to the non-South Suburbs groups. Bloomington don't strike me as being quite at the level to be in that last Finals spot. Perhaps even a band like Batavia could make a run at that last spot. Should be a very interesting and fun time on Saturday.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 19, 2021 7:26:06 GMT -6
These are my predictions for this weekends ISMBC. I would like to be able to post on ILMarching, but I can never past the security questions. I removed the security questions a few weeks ago because they didn't work for some unexplained reason. The only "security check" now is a Captcha confirming you're not a robot, so you should be able to register.
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Post by Shroom on Oct 19, 2021 7:32:51 GMT -6
These are my predictions for this weekends ISMBC. I would like to be able to post on ILMarching, but I can never past the security questions. This year is going to be interesting. The advanced and intermediate levels are close in skill. Finals is going to be one to watch. Class A- Illinois Valley Central HS Class AA- Morton HS Class Representation- Providence Catholic HS Class AAA- Marian Catholic Class AAAA- John Hersey HS Class Representation- Romeoville HS, Bloomington HS, Lemont HS Class AAAAA- Prospect HS Class AAAAAA- Lincoln-Way MB Class Representation- Lockport Township HS, Victor J Andrew HS, Normal MB, Plainfield North HS, Lake Park HS Finals Predictions 1st- Lincoln-Way MB 2nd- Marian Catholic 3rd- Morton HS 4th- Prospect HS 5th- John Hersey HS 6th- Victor J Andrew HS 7th- Lockport Township HS 8th- Normal MB 9th- Lake Park HS 10th- Plainfield North HS 11th- Romeoville HS 12th- Lemont HS 13th- Bloomington HS 14th- Providence Catholic 15th- Illinois Valley Central HS Other- Naperville Central, Edwardsville, and Oswego (VERY underrated) are bands I believe that are bubble 5A/6A class representation. Really want to see Edwardsville in finals, the metro east/southern IL suffers from a lack of attention/representation other than O'Fallon in my opinion. Edwardsville and Belleville East are two great groups that I'd like to see get more love, with Belleville East consistently being top 25 at St Louis and Edwardsville now being a regional finalist for (I think) the first time. I dont know about Belleville East but I definitely see Edwardsville having the potential to grow to a Bixby or Nixa level band in the next few years if their band program continues to grow. Their community seems to be growing and it's the great little petri dish for a solid music education program to flourish in. They already have one of the better guard programs in the state and if they're able to maintain the steam they've gathered this year they'll probably be St. Louis finalist come soon.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 19, 2021 8:15:02 GMT -6
Belleville East have been perennially solid for several years now, but they haven't made a jump in terms of contention at the BOA level. Edwardsville definitely have some potential, as they have a pretty young director group, and that school district definitely has the resources to grow the band into a band that given the right conditions may even be able to challenge O'Fallon a few years down the line.
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 19, 2021 14:47:16 GMT -6
Belleville East have been perennially solid for several years now, but they haven't made a jump in terms of contention at the BOA level. Edwardsville definitely have some potential, as they have a pretty young director group, and that school district definitely has the resources to grow the band into a band that given the right conditions may even be able to challenge O'Fallon a few years down the line. I think so too. The more they involve themselves in BOA in the coming years, the better the program will get imo.
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Post by suburbanbandfan on Oct 19, 2021 17:44:26 GMT -6
These are my predictions for this weekends ISMBC. I would like to be able to post on ILMarching, but I can never past the security questions. This year is going to be interesting. The advanced and intermediate levels are close in skill. Finals is going to be one to watch. Class A- Illinois Valley Central HS Class AA- Morton HS Class Representation- Providence Catholic HS Class AAA- Marian Catholic Class AAAA- John Hersey HS Class Representation- Romeoville HS, Bloomington HS, Lemont HS Class AAAAA- Prospect HS Class AAAAAA- Lincoln-Way MB Class Representation- Lockport Township HS, Victor J Andrew HS, Normal MB, Plainfield North HS, Lake Park HS Finals Predictions 1st- Lincoln-Way MB 2nd- Marian Catholic 3rd- Morton HS 4th- Prospect HS 5th- John Hersey HS 6th- Victor J Andrew HS 7th- Lockport Township HS 8th- Normal MB 9th- Lake Park HS 10th- Plainfield North HS 11th- Romeoville HS 12th- Lemont HS 13th- Bloomington HS 14th- Providence Catholic 15th- Illinois Valley Central HS Other- Naperville Central, Edwardsville, and Oswego (VERY underrated) are bands I believe that are bubble 5A/6A class representation. Really want to see Edwardsville in finals, the metro east/southern IL suffers from a lack of attention/representation other than O'Fallon in my opinion. Edwardsville and Belleville East are two great groups that I'd like to see get more love, with Belleville East consistently being top 25 at St Louis and Edwardsville now being a regional finalist for (I think) the first time. I would agree with this statement! I love Edwardsville show this year. I would also love to see Belleville East come to Illinois State. (Along with Granite City and Mahomet-Seymour.) The issues that comes with these types of bands not being able to compete in such competitions is duel scheduling. Southern bands are go to U of I. I would love more bands expand their travels to different parts of IL. Chi area come down and Southern bands meet half way.
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 19, 2021 18:17:43 GMT -6
Really want to see Edwardsville in finals, the metro east/southern IL suffers from a lack of attention/representation other than O'Fallon in my opinion. Edwardsville and Belleville East are two great groups that I'd like to see get more love, with Belleville East consistently being top 25 at St Louis and Edwardsville now being a regional finalist for (I think) the first time. I would agree with this statement! I love Edwardsville show this year. I would also love to see Belleville East come to Illinois State. (Along with Granite City and Mahomet-Seymour.) The issues that comes with these types of bands not being able to compete in such competitions is duel scheduling. Southern bands are go to U of I. I would love more bands expand their travels to different parts of IL. Chi area come down and Southern bands meet half way. Same thoughts here. I think this could be aided with a single legitimate state competition circuit. I think it's really cool that Morton is coming down to STL for the Greater STL Marching Band Festival, along with O'Fallon attending the Lincoln-Way invitational. I'd like to see more of that type of stuff, though I know it's expensive.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 20, 2021 16:42:57 GMT -6
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Post by hostrauser on Oct 21, 2021 7:58:13 GMT -6
Same thoughts here. I think this could be aided with a single legitimate state competition circuit. I'm surprised Dan didn't jump in on this one. Illinois is even more regionally prideful than California is. My understanding is that many of the band directors in Illinois would rather eat a gallon of live bees than have a unified, state-wide marching circuit. And there's a huge amount of rural/urban conflict in there.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 21, 2021 12:34:25 GMT -6
Same thoughts here. I think this could be aided with a single legitimate state competition circuit. I'm surprised Dan didn't jump in on this one. Illinois is even more regionally prideful than California is. My understanding is that many of the band directors in Illinois would rather eat a gallon of live bees than have a unified, state-wide marching circuit. And there's a huge amount of rural/urban conflict in there. I've been advocating for something (anything) for the better part of 10 years. There was a formation of an "ad hoc committee" by IHSA around 2011-2012 to study marching band and show choir state finals, but I don't even know if those committees were even ever formed. Yet, esports and bass fishing have a state series. Whatever. There are numerous issues/questions around this: - Who runs this? IHSA? ILMEA? Someone else?
- Is there enough interest?
- What of the local competitions? There are too many competitions in Illinois right now - there's no need to have 2 shows going at the same time 1 hour to 1.5 hours away. Grow local shows to 20+ bands (prelims/finals?) If you want to have shows close to each other, do what Effingham/Newton used to do and have one in the morning and one in the evening.
- Judging/judging sheets. Get on (preferably) one sheet of sheets, and find new judges. Too many shows this year didn't have full panels. Where's the next generation of judges? How much longer can Marie Czapinski/Mike Madonia judge bands? Also, train said judges.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 21, 2021 12:56:16 GMT -6
The Illinois scores this year are all over the place. 80-85 scores for bands who wouldn't make 65 at BOA. I'm surprised Dan didn't jump in on this one. Illinois is even more regionally prideful than California is. My understanding is that many of the band directors in Illinois would rather eat a gallon of live bees than have a unified, state-wide marching circuit. And there's a huge amount of rural/urban conflict in there. I've been advocating for something (anything) for the better part of 10 years. There was a formation of an "ad hoc committee" by IHSA around 2011-2012 to study marching band and show choir state finals, but I don't even know if those committees were even ever formed. Yet, esports and bass fishing have a state series. Whatever. There are numerous issues/questions around this: - Who runs this? IHSA? ILMEA? Someone else?
- Is there enough interest?
- What of the local competitions? There are too many competitions in Illinois right now - there's no need to have 2 shows going at the same time 1 hour to 1.5 hours away. Grow local shows to 20+ bands (prelims/finals?) If you want to have shows close to each other, do what Effingham/Newton used to do and have one in the morning and one in the evening.
- Judging/judging sheets. Get on (preferably) one sheet of sheets, and find new judges. Too many shows this year didn't have full panels. Where's the next generation of judges? How much longer can Marie Czapinski/Mike Madonia judge bands? Also, train said judges.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 21, 2021 17:06:01 GMT -6
Same thoughts here. I think this could be aided with a single legitimate state competition circuit. I'm surprised Dan didn't jump in on this one. Illinois is even more regionally prideful than California is. My understanding is that many of the band directors in Illinois would rather eat a gallon of live bees than have a unified, state-wide marching circuit. And there's a huge amount of rural/urban conflict in there. This, and this is something that comes from the Southern part of the state in particular. Especially among smaller bands, there isn't much desire to have much to do with those "annoying Chicagoans", apart from their annual intersection at the Illinois State and University of Illinois Competitions. As to the standardized judging sheets, this is something that still is an issue as well. Most competitions in the Metro-East area will use BOA sheets [or something fairly akin to them], whilst in more rural areas the sheets are more akin to something from the 80s. I don't know that the IHSA running an official circuit is the answer, but something should be done to at least make scores somewhat more comparable than others.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 21, 2021 17:06:36 GMT -6
I'm surprised Dan didn't jump in on this one. Illinois is even more regionally prideful than California is. My understanding is that many of the band directors in Illinois would rather eat a gallon of live bees than have a unified, state-wide marching circuit. And there's a huge amount of rural/urban conflict in there. This, and this is something that comes from the Southern part of the state in particular. Especially among smaller bands, there isn't much desire to have much to do with those "annoying Chicagoans", apart from their annual intersection at the Illinois State and University of Illinois Competitions. As to the standardized judging sheets, this is something that still is an issue as well. Most competitions in the Metro-East area will use BOA sheets [or something fairly akin to them], whilst in more rural areas the sheets are more akin to something from the 80s. I don't know that the IHSA running an official circuit is the answer, but something should be done to at least make scores somewhat more comparable than what exists now.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 22, 2021 6:59:03 GMT -6
Final ISU predictions:
My final predictions:
1A: Illinois Valley Central
2A: Morton
Additional finalist: Providence Catholic
3A: Marian Catholic
4A: John Hersey Additional finalists: Romeoville, Lemont, Dunlap
5A: Prospect
6A: Lincoln-Way
Additional finalists: Lockport Township, VJA, Edwardsville, Lake Park, Normal
Finals:
1) Lincoln-Way 2) Marian Catholic 3) Morton 4) Lockport Township 5) Prospect 6) VJA 7) John Hersey 8) Edwardsville 9) Normal 10) Lake Park 11) Romeoville 12) Lemont 13) Dunlap 14) Providence Catholic 15) IVC
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Post by hostrauser on Oct 22, 2021 8:03:13 GMT -6
Has any band from the lower divisions that isn't Marian Catholic ever medaled in Finals?
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