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Post by abtwitch on Sept 23, 2021 11:26:08 GMT -6
I'm very perplexed with BOA's classifications right now. Their website still says 600 and under for grades 10-12, but Hidalgo was class A at BOA McAllen. My best estimate for their 10-12 enrollment puts them in the 750-800 range (based on the official enrollment numbers for 9-11 during the 2020-2021 school year found here). Their website also says they reevaluate the class rankings every 3 years and last time was 2018 so it would be on the timeline. My best guess is that they are doing off of in-person enrollment specifically, since nearly 200 students staying online seems a lot more likely than 200 students suddenly dropping out. I can't confirm this anywhere I look on their website so I thought I'd bring it up here to see if anyone else has insight. |
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Post by dbalash on Sept 23, 2021 12:33:36 GMT -6
I'm very perplexed with BOA's classifications right now. Their website still says 600 and under for grades 10-12, but Hidalgo was class A at BOA McAllen. My best estimate for their 10-12 enrollment puts them in the 750-800 range (based on the official enrollment numbers for 9-11 during the 2020-2021 school year found here). Their website also says they reevaluate the class rankings every 3 years and last time was 2018 so it would be on the timeline. My best guess is that they are doing off of in-person enrollment specifically, since nearly 200 students staying online seems a lot more likely than 200 students suddenly dropping out. I can't confirm this anywhere I look on their website so I thought I'd bring it up here to see if anyone else has insight. The timeline was pushed back a year due to COVID. Based on the information I found here (https://rptsvr1.tea.texas.gov/cgi/sas/broker?_service=marykay&_program=adhoc.addispatch.sas&endyear=21&major=st&minor=e&format=w&selsumm=oc&linespg=60&charsln=120&grouping=g&loop=2&key=HIDALGO&_debug=0), their enrollment was 802 for 10-12. So, who knows? |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 23, 2021 12:37:01 GMT -6
Maybe they are simply BIG FAT LIARS.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 23, 2021 12:38:21 GMT -6
Interesting. Yeah, Hidalgo's enrollment numbers are well into AA territory. BOA will be evaluating the class ranking after the season, to be implemented for Fall 2022. Although I believe I read somewhere that Class A is "locked" and will always be 600 or fewer; only the upper classes get adjusted.
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Post by hostrauser on Sept 23, 2021 12:39:45 GMT -6
Maybe they are simply BIG FAT LIARS. Look, I won't make any accusations, all I'll say is that they would not be the first or the only school to have ever fudged their enrollment numbers for BOA.  |
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Post by paddy on Sept 23, 2021 12:40:01 GMT -6
Ah, the dark and mysterious art of self-reported enrollment.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 23, 2021 13:21:39 GMT -6
Ah, the dark and mysterious art of self-reported enrollment. Such as the all-male Catholic schools who have more band members from the associated all-female schools but report only the student population of the all-male school as the official enrollment number? Combined bands like PCEP and MPLT, among others, report the total enrollment of ALL the schools. Why aren't the parochial schools required to do the same? I realize that each of the three schools making up PCEP or each of the two making up MPLT would already be AAAA, but that's not the point. |
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 23, 2021 17:04:45 GMT -6
Maybe they are simply BIG FAT LIARS. Probably 🤣 Although classification for BOA doesn’t really bother me one way or the other since every band is scored regardless of class - unlike US bands with their bizarre classifications!! For state contests it is different. |
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Post by LeanderMomma Fan on Sept 24, 2021 9:42:05 GMT -6
Can someone explain how Weiss is 4A in BOA but still 5A in Uil?
Also doesn’t make sense…
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Post by abtwitch on Sept 24, 2021 10:23:24 GMT -6
Can someone explain how Weiss is 4A in BOA but still 5A in Uil? Also doesn’t make sense… UIL only reclassifies every 2 years, so that means they had 5A enrollment in 2020, but grew enough that they have 6A enrollment this year. But since the next UIL reclassification is for the 2022-2023 school year, they are still considered 5A for this year. This is far from the only example of this happening, Prosper in 2017 was Class AAAA at BOA Grand Nats, yet was a 5A state finalist the same year. Shadow Creek attended BOA Austin in 2019 and competed as Class AAAA despite being a 5A at the time (they moved up to 6A in the 2020 reclassification). I'm pretty sure Katy Paetow will be a Class AAAA band this year as well. |
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Post by abtwitch on Sept 24, 2021 11:16:35 GMT -6
Exactly how many private high schools are successful at anything related to marching band? How is this even a concern? I suppose it could be a greater concern for athletics, but outside of 'Christian Brothers' the 1989 BOA Summer National Champions that included like four private high schools, who exactly has achieved anything at a BOA contest from that world? The greater concern are the public school programs who are no longer high school specific, but district-wide programs. I think there should be a separate multiplier or classification system for them. If I had my way, they would not be allowed to compete or would be penalized. Carmel, for example, has a zillion students but is under the same umbrella as Carmel High School. Lincoln-Way is gaming the system by combining three high schools. Sure, it isn't 'illegal' under BOA rules, but situations like these should be dealt with accordingly. I would not have a problem if they were considered campuses, but these are separate high schools that had plenty of numbers to field their own bands in the past. And the bands were pretty good. If your school fields a high school football team, the school should also allow THEIR band to compete. Not combine. If your concert programs are school-specific, why is the marching band competing in combined fashion? Why doesn't everyone just do the same thing? Public schools gaming the system are of a far greater concern. This isn't about opportunity. It's about consolidating talent because they don't seem to know how to succeed at the same level on their own. Rant off. Such as the all-male Catholic schools who have more band members from the associated all-female schools but report only the student population of the all-male school as the official enrollment number? Combined bands like PCEP and MPLT, among others, report the total enrollment of ALL the schools. Why aren't the parochial schools required to do the same? I realize that each of the three schools making up PCEP or each of the two making up MPLT would already be AAAA, but that's not the point. You're making the false assumption that those individual programs have the legs to stand on their own. And forgive me for not having a good "competitive spirit" if that means I think that schools combining their programs is a good thing. I'd rather have a strong Lincoln-Way Community and Lawrence Township than see their individual programs slowly fall off like we've seen with the likes of Lake Central and Lake Park. And let's be honest, we haven't seen a combined program have large-scale success since PCEP who has fallen off quite a bit since their heyday. Lincoln-Way has had decent success, but the most they've achieved is top 4 at a super regional 2 years in a row. How about instead of thinking about how to penalize the kids for their work because of something they have no control over, you criticize the districts for not funding the fine arts enough? |
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Post by dbalash on Sept 24, 2021 11:32:26 GMT -6
Basically, the reason Lincoln-Way went to one band is because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Their district was in horrible financial status. Basically, they took out a $225 million bond to build/operate Lincoln-Way West (which opened in 2009 or 2010) and Lincoln-Way North (which opened in 2008). These bonds operated under balloon payments, which meant interest payments would go up in later years, operating under the assumption that enough residential/commercial would be built to pay off these bonds. Yeah, didn't happen. That, and gross mismanagement of finances means Lincoln-Way residents are stuck with about $300 million in bond debt between now and 2033.
Thank God they didn't get around to building the other two high schools they wanted...
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Post by thewho on Sept 24, 2021 12:20:34 GMT -6
I've gone ahead and removed all posts going off-topic. This thread is to discuss the differences between BOA and UIL classifications, not a soapbox for opinions. Respect the OP and stay on topic.
This thread will remain open. However, any attempt to politicize/troll/post baseless speculation will result in an immediate ban. No questions.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 24, 2021 12:27:59 GMT -6
Basically, the reason Lincoln-Way went to one band is because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Their district was in horrible financial status. Basically, they took out a $225 million bond to build/operate Lincoln-Way West (which opened in 2009 or 2010) and Lincoln-Way North (which opened in 2008). These bonds operated under balloon payments, which meant interest payments would go up in later years, operating under the assumption that enough residential/commercial would be built to pay off these bonds. Yeah, didn't happen. That, and gross mismanagement of finances means Lincoln-Way residents are stuck with about $300 million in bond debt between now and 2033. Thank God they didn't get around to building the other two high schools they wanted... And here I really wanted Lincoln North by Northwest HS. 😜 |
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Sept 24, 2021 12:34:06 GMT -6
My point about this scenario has to do with BOA's classification of these programs and how they are received within the competitive arena. Regardless of how a school district handles or mishandles its business, it is unfair to the 'competition' to allow for exceptions. This is basic common sense in my world. I don't know what world anyone else is living in. It isn't as if any district-wide program can't still perform their own programs at various events that don't care. I am saying that BOA SHOULD care. It is a competitive issue. Basically, the reason Lincoln-Way went to one band is because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Their district was in horrible financial status. Basically, they took out a $225 million bond to build/operate Lincoln-Way West (which opened in 2009 or 2010) and Lincoln-Way North (which opened in 2008). These bonds operated under balloon payments, which meant interest payments would go up in later years, operating under the assumption that enough residential/commercial would be built to pay off these bonds. Yeah, didn't happen. That, and gross mismanagement of finances means Lincoln-Way residents are stuck with about $300 million in bond debt between now and 2033. Thank God they didn't get around to building the other two high schools they wanted... |
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Post by thewho on Sept 24, 2021 12:43:58 GMT -6
Alright, we'll lock this thread for a while.
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