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Post by verysaxy on Oct 26, 2021 6:09:03 GMT -6
Since our rankings mainly focus on the big picture (as they should), I figured we could start talking about the top bands in each class, too in order to show our small bands some love.
A 1. Sullivan, MO 2. Independence, IA 3. Beechwood, KY 4. Edgewood, IN 5. Archbishop Alter, OH 6. Western, IN 7. Bourbon County, KY 8. Estill County, KY 9. Monrovia, IN 10. Carroll, OH
AA 1. Tarpon Springs, FL 2. Grain Valley, MO 3. Kiski Area, PA 4. Norwin, PA 5. Choctaw, OK 6. Marian Catholic, IL 7. Hernando, MS 8. Camdenton, MO 9. Morton, IL 10. North Hardin, KY
AAA 1. Blue Springs, MO 2. Castle, IN 3. Rouse, TX 4. Cedar Park, TX 5. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 6. Leander, TX 7. Lincoln, SD 8. Rosemount, MN 9. Franklin, TN 10. Cleveland, NC
AAAA 1. Vandegrift, TX 2. Broken Arrow, OK 3. Flower Mound, TX 4. Carmel, IN 5. Ronald Reagan, TX 6. Avon, IN 7. Hebron, TX 8. The Woodlands, TX 9. Claudia Taylor Johnson, TX 10. William Mason, OH
I’m not overly-educated on 1A bands, so if those rankings feel off don’t hesitate to tell me! I’m sure after SA some things will shake up and we’ll see an influx in A/AA in comparison to AAA/AAAA.
On another note, I’m bummed that some of my favorite programs in the country have seen a recent “decline”. Obviously it’s a rebuilding year but I still hate to see it. I would have loved to see Rosemount, North Hardin, BoCo, Vista Ridge, Estill, and Leander higher in their classes but I’m sure they’ll rebound sooner than later. Super happy for the kids besting these class powerhouses, that’s no easy feat and definitely something to be proud of!
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 26, 2021 8:57:30 GMT -6
Since our rankings mainly focus on the big picture (as they should), I figured we could start talking about the top bands in each class, too in order to show our small bands some love. A 1. Sullivan, MO 2. Independence, IA 3. Beechwood, KY 4. Edgewood, IN 5. Archbishop Alter, OH 6. Western, IN 7. Bourbon County, KY 8. Estill County, KY 9. Monrovia, IN 10. Carroll, OH AA 1. Tarpon Springs, FL 2. Grain Valley, MO 3. Kiski Area, PA 4. Norwin, PA 5. Choctaw, OK 6. Marian Catholic, IL 7. Hernando, MS 8. Camdenton, MO 9. Morton, IL 10. North Hardin, KY AAA 1. Blue Springs, MO 2. Castle, IN 3. Rouse, TX 4. Cedar Park, TX 5. Dobyns-Bennett, TN 6. Leander, TX 7. Lincoln, SD 8. Rosemount, MN 9. Franklin, TN 10. Cleveland, NC Thanks for making this thread! I like these! Just a couple of notes- I’d definitely put Bourbon Co., Estill Co., and Beechwood at the top, and Independence above Sullivan. Sullivan and Archbishop Alter should be extremely close considering Alter beat Sullivan this week in two captions. Independence was scoring higher early season than a lot of groups are scoring now and in my opinion looks and plays just as well as the top three, but doesn’t compete in a lot of late season BOA. I definitely think you have the right group, but maybe not the right order. As for AA, I would personally put both Camdenton and MC over Choctaw and Norwin. I can’t speak on MC currently, but Camdenton outperformed Choctaw by a small margin in prelims this weekend and consistently scores higher, including a 4 point lead when they competed against one another in 2019. Norwin is probably right around the same ranking as Choctaw. North Hardin has an outstanding tradition of excellency, but it’s starting to look like they can’t quite keep up anymore. I’d also suggest looking at Miamisburg, Jenison, and Lake Hamilton as contenders for the next few top groups. Kiski Area has always been fantastic. Grain Valley is insane and absolutely deserves that second place spot- I’m hoping they find themselves in Indianapolis on an even-numbered year and get to perform in class exhibition. I think Camdenton can catch back up, but they just don’t have a tradition of keeping up the momentum (I would chalk up their 2018 GN scores being significantly lower than San Antonio to excitement, but they’re lower scores nonetheless). If both keep attending Iowa and St. Louis, I can see a notable (hopefully healthy) rivalry developing. They’re like a mini BA and Blue Springs. IMO, Rouse is so close to being better than Castle. Both were scoring in the 80s in September of this year. Cedar Park is also stunningly good. I think your rankings make sense, but they could be completely different within just a couple of seasons depending on who cinches the advantage. I don’t think Blue Springs is going anywhere unless they jump to AAAA (which imo would be best for everyone, and maybe give South a shot at semis should they choose to attend). Great list! I really think organizing it way helps to show the obstacles some groups have to overcome to be highly ranked on the overall list. Grain Valley being AA and placing higher than many of the top AAA bands is incredible impressive given a smaller pool of students. It’s a cool lens to look at things through. And I always love giving the A bands some appreciation, because those top groups are outperforming schools four or more times their size. That is the definition of excellency.
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Post by trombonium on Oct 26, 2021 9:12:23 GMT -6
Regarding AA: I would also put Camdenton significantly higher, and Norwin significantly lower. There should be quite a difference between Kiski and Norwin given the 5 point gap between them at the Mid-Atlantic regional this year. Kiski also beat Norwin at a local competition this Saturday, but I don't know what the scores were. Regarding Camdenton, I think they got a bit unlucky missing finals at St Louis, plus it was a very competitive field this year. Marian Catholic remains the biggest mystery to me because, while I've heard they're having a rough year, they haven't done many high-profile competitions to judge them off of yet. Overall nice list though.
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Post by ilikeguard on Oct 26, 2021 11:10:03 GMT -6
AA 1. Tarpon Springs 2. Grain Valley 3. Kiski Area 4. Camdenton 5. Marian Catholic 6. Choctaw 7. Norwin 8. Hernando 9. North Hardin 10. Morton First out: Miamisburg
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Post by phantomeuph on Oct 26, 2021 12:17:27 GMT -6
I really only have cared to follow 2A so here are the top 10 by raw scores: 1. Tarpon Springs 86.90 2. Grain Valley 84.425 3. Kiski Area 82.50 4. Camdenten 82.10 5. Hernando 80.5 6. Morton 80.40 7. Choctaw 79.85 8. Norwin 77.90 9. Paragould 77.25 10. Ft Zumwalt N 76.80
These don't mean a lot since their all from different comps and weeks. Here's my ranking though: 1. Tarpon Springs, FL 2. Marian Catholic, IL 3. Morton, IL 4. Grain Valley, MO 5. Kiski Area, PA 6. Camdenten, MO 7. Choctaw, OK 8. Hernando, MS 9. Norwin, PA 10. Miamisburg, OH
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Post by trumpet300 on Oct 26, 2021 12:42:18 GMT -6
Regarding AA: I would also put Camdenton significantly higher, and Norwin significantly lower. There should be quite a difference between Kiski and Norwin given the 5 point gap between them at the Mid-Atlantic regional this year. Kiski also beat Norwin at a local competition this Saturday, but I don't know what the scores were. Regarding Camdenton, I think they got a bit unlucky missing finals at St Louis, plus it was a very competitive field this year. Marian Catholic remains the biggest mystery to me because, while I've heard they're having a rough year, they haven't done many high-profile competitions to judge them off of yet. Overall nice list though. Scores were Kiski 93.05 and Norwin had 92.125. As for the 5 point gap at Maryland, Norwins show wasn't complete yet and their runs were not their best I don't believe. I did see a video of them from this past Saturday and they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than they were at Maryland. I think their show is going to clean up really well for Nationals.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 26, 2021 14:12:11 GMT -6
I think you're pretty dead on regarding AA. Tarpon & Marian in the top two, then a pretty sizable gap. I place much more weight though regarding producing actual results in November, so those two bands undoubtedly are doing so. Marian being the defending Class AA Champion (and likely front-runner this season & Tarpon when they do attend. The rest? Prove it. <abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Oct 26, 2021 14:17:27 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1635272247000">Oct 26, 2021 14:17:27 GMT -4</abbr> phantomeuph said:I really only have cared to follow 2A so here are the top 10 by raw scores: 1. Tarpon Springs 86.90 2. Grain Valley 84.425 3. Kiski Area 82.50 4. Camdenten 82.10 5. Hernando 80.5 6. Morton 80.40 7. Choctaw 79.85 8. Norwin 77.90 9. Paragould 77.25 10. Ft Zumwalt N 76.80 These don't mean a lot since their all from different comps and weeks. Here's my ranking though: 1. Tarpon Springs, FL 2. Marian Catholic, IL 3. Morton, IL 4. Grain Valley, MO 5. Kiski Area, PA 6. Camdenten, MO 7. Choctaw, OK 8. Hernando, MS 9. Norwin, PA 10. Miamisburg, OH
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 26, 2021 20:01:16 GMT -6
Alright, there were many responses (yay!!!), so instead of replying to each post individually, I’ll compile it all into one.
As for 1A, I have Sullivan, Independence, Beechwood, BoCo, Edgewood, Alter, and Western all within a few points of each other right now. If they all competed tomorrow, I believe any one of those bands has the show and the band to win and results would be based on who had the better run. I understand Estill seems to be on an upwards trajectory (and they are!) but Covid seems to have hit their size and sound hard. I’ve seen very little from them, but from what I have seen I am not impressed at all. I also seemed to have forgotten South Laurel, KY, who is consistently neck and neck with BoCo. Definitely an honorable mention!
As for AA, they all just swap around so much it becomes hard to keep track of who’s beating who this season and who’s not even in the conversation anymore. After their performances at both SR this weekend, I can’t in right conscious put Camdenton or North Hardin on the same “level” as the PA powerhouses, Marian Catholic or Choctaw. I could definitely see MC besting Norwin at nats this year but (unless something crazy happens at SA or GN), I think Tarpon, GV, and Kiski are locked as the top three AA bands of 2021 with Norwin not far behind. I’m beginning to notice many similar traits in MC, Camdenton and North Hardin. The first and latter are traditionally AA powerhouses, while Camdenton’s rise to power has been more recent in the grand scheme of things. IMO, none of these bands can both A. keep up with the times and B. Stay consistent year after year. I can honestly say the same for Kiski & Norwin, too. Although NH & MC have amazing shows, their show designs seem to be falling behind in comparison to other bands in their tier. Camdenton, Norwin and Kiski just can’t stay consistent. One year (cough 2019 cough) they can be one of the best AA bands in the country and would have certainly won the national championship had they attended. The next, they can’t even make finals at a Super Regional. Miamisburg seemed to be a one hit wonder. I would love love love to be proven wrong but until I’ve seen more from them I’m hesitant to put them over Morton, NH, Camdenton or Hernando. Grain Valley is newer to the AA scene but I’m loving every minute of them — what a wonderful group. Just to clarify, I’m not hating on these groups. I fully expect Camdenton, NH, and hopefully MC to rebound in the near future and work their way back into the top five like they were in the years leading up to the pandemic. For now though, concerns are definitely present. Also, if we’re going to acknowledge Miamisburg we can’t forget Anderson County! This regional medalist who bested Miamisburg at their only BOA competition thus far in 2021 should also be in the AA conversation this year.
As for AAA, I think we’ll have a good idea of final rankings after SA. If Rouse doesn’t break 87/88 in Texas I’ll feel comfortable with them in 3rd. Regardless, I think Cedar Park in 4th and DB/Leander in 5th/6th is pretty solid and will stay stagnant for the rest of the season.
As much as I would love to use past data this year, we just can’t. It’s a different scenario than normal. In a regular year, we definitely could. For obvious reasons, it’s just not reliable this year.
For example, here are my top AA bands of 2019: 1. Tarpon 2. Camdenton 3. MC 4. NH 5. Miamisburg In 2021, only one of these bands remain in the top five conversation.
The pandemic has definitely changed some things. Most bands will take 4-5 years to recover from Covid. Unfortunately, some programs never will. Only time will tell. This year of all years, the past is void. We cannot compare anyone to their past years or others past years and expect an accurate ranking/prediction.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 26, 2021 21:36:31 GMT -6
I'm not sure where all of this talk of MC taking a major dive is coming from, other than having generally low expectations considering their situation related to the pandemic, but they did just nearly outscore Lincoln-Way at the conclusion of Lincoln-Way's season & bested Morton. For some reason, Lincoln-Way is also on this website's Top 30. I have no idea where they'll place in a few weeks, but not understanding how we're expecting a down year from groups without seeing them first? I have seen them - a lot of dirt, good potential. Not saying Top 12 (I have no idea), but I have a hard time seeing them not taking AA. At least if they roll in with a much cleaner program. And are we unfairly comparing these A & AAs to the mega-schools & school district-wide all-star marching bands? If so, that may be the first issue. I think Morton has shown that they are probably in the Top 5 as of this year. It's still Tarpon & Marian until further notice. Declarations about Camdenton will have to wait until they actually attend a big event in November & go toe-to-toe with everyone. Until then, who cares? There are some solid AA bands out there & this is precisely why they deserve their own competitive day at BOA Nationals in prelims. Alright, there were many responses (yay!!!), so instead of replying to each post individually, I’ll compile it all into one. As for 1A, I have Sullivan, Independence, Beechwood, BoCo, Edgewood, Alter, and Western all within a few points of each other right now. If they all competed tomorrow, I believe any one of those bands has the show and the band to win and results would be based on who had the better run. I understand Estill seems to be on an upwards trajectory (and they are!) but Covid seems to have hit their size and sound hard. I’ve seen very little from them, but from what I have seen I am not impressed at all. I also seemed to have forgotten South Laurel, KY, who is consistently neck and neck with BoCo. Definitely an honorable mention! As for AA, they all just swap around so much it becomes hard to keep track of who’s beating who this season and who’s not even in the conversation anymore. After their performances at both SR this weekend, I can’t in right conscious put Camdenton or North Hardin on the same “level” as the PA powerhouses, Marian Catholic or Choctaw. I could definitely see MC besting Norwin at nats this year but (unless something crazy happens at SA or GN), I think Tarpon, GV, and Kiski are locked as the top three AA bands of 2021 with Norwin not far behind. I’m beginning to notice many similar traits in MC, Camdenton and North Hardin. The first and latter are traditionally AA powerhouses, while Camdenton’s rise to power has been more recent in the grand scheme of things. IMO, none of these bands can both A. keep up with the times and B. Stay consistent year after year. I can honestly say the same for Kiski & Norwin, too. Although NH & MC have amazing shows, their show designs seem to be falling behind in comparison to other bands in their tier. Camdenton, Norwin and Kiski just can’t stay consistent. One year (cough 2019 cough) they can be one of the best AA bands in the country and would have certainly won the national championship had they attended. The next, they can’t even make finals at a Super Regional. Miamisburg seemed to be a one hit wonder. I would love love love to be proven wrong but until I’ve seen more from them I’m hesitant to put them over Morton, NH, Camdenton or Hernando. Grain Valley is newer to the AA scene but I’m loving every minute of them — what a wonderful group. Just to clarify, I’m not hating on these groups. I fully expect Camdenton, NH, and hopefully MC to rebound in the near future and work their way back into the top five like they were in the years leading up to the pandemic. For now though, concerns are definitely present. Also, if we’re going to acknowledge Miamisburg we can’t forget Anderson County! This regional medalist who bested Miamisburg at their only BOA competition thus far in 2021 should also be in the AA conversation this year. As for AAA, I think we’ll have a good idea of final rankings after SA. If Rouse doesn’t break 87/88 in Texas I’ll feel comfortable with them in 3rd. Regardless, I think Cedar Park in 4th and DB/Leander in 5th/6th is pretty solid and will stay stagnant for the rest of the season. As much as I would love to use past data this year, we just can’t. It’s a different scenario than normal. In a regular year, we definitely could. For obvious reasons, it’s just not reliable this year. For example, here are my top AA bands of 2019: 1. Tarpon 2. Camdenton 3. MC 4. NH 5. Miamisburg In 2021, only one of these bands remain in the top five conversation. The pandemic has definitely changed some things. Most bands will take 4-5 years to recover from Covid. Unfortunately, some programs never will. Only time will tell. This year of all years, the past is void. We cannot compare anyone to their past years or others past years and expect an accurate ranking/prediction.
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 26, 2021 23:24:35 GMT -6
How have we gotten this far into the thread without anybody mentioning Murray, Adair County, and some of the other top Indiana Class C/D bands, etc?
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 27, 2021 5:12:00 GMT -6
How have we gotten this far into the thread without anybody mentioning Murray, Adair County, and some of the other top Indiana Class C/D bands, etc? Few here have seen or heard Murray, Adair County has been a shadow of their "glory years" recently, and many of the top C/D bands in Indiana don't compete at BOA. And we'd have a hard time getting a read on the best small schools in Texas vs. everybody else because the only results we see for those Texas bands are from competitions with the big Texas schools.
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Post by paddy on Oct 27, 2021 5:18:14 GMT -6
Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 100k enrollment school district.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 27, 2021 5:21:07 GMT -6
Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 25k enrollment school district. Technically, most Ohio bands are "district-wide" "all-star" marching bands. The majority of school districts have a single high school. We could say the same about much of Indiana as well.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 27, 2021 5:57:51 GMT -6
Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 25k enrollment school district. Technically, most Ohio bands are "district-wide" "all-star" marching bands. The majority of school districts have a single high school. We could say the same about much of Indiana as well. But Ohio school districts are much, much smaller and do not encompass the entire county. For example, the following high schools are in Franklin County, Ohio: Hilliard Bradley Hilliard Darby Hilliard Davidson Grove City Central Crossing Thomas Worthington Worthington Kilbourne Franklin Heights Westland Dublin Coffman Dublin Scioto Canal Winchester And I'm sure I'm missing some. While none of these programs are winning BOA anytime soon, I'm pretty confident that if you took the top musicians out of each and funded the heck out of it, you'd have a pretty good marching band. You could do the same thing in Montgomery County with just Centerville, Miamisburg, Kettering Fairmont, Northmont, and the other smaller schools in the area, Butler Co. with the two Lakota schools and Fairfield and others, etc.
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 27, 2021 6:01:11 GMT -6
How have we gotten this far into the thread without anybody mentioning Murray, Adair County, and some of the other top Indiana Class C/D bands, etc? Adair County is out of the Class A conversation this year imo. You’ll see soon enough. Would love to be wrong!
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Post by verysaxy on Oct 27, 2021 6:05:10 GMT -6
I'm not sure where all of this talk of MC taking a major dive is coming from, other than having generally low expectations considering their situation related to the pandemic, but they did just nearly outscore Lincoln-Way at the conclusion of Lincoln-Way's season & bested Morton. For some reason, Lincoln-Way is also on this website's Top 30. I have no idea where they'll place in a few weeks, but not understanding how we're expecting a down year from groups without seeing them first? I have seen them - a lot of dirt, good potential. Not saying Top 12 (I have no idea), but I have a hard time seeing them not taking AA. At least if they roll in with a much cleaner program. And are we unfairly comparing these A & AAs to the mega-schools & school district-wide all-star marching bands? If so, that may be the first issue. I think Morton has shown that they are probably in the Top 5 as of this year. It's still Tarpon & Marian until further notice. Declarations about Camdenton will have to wait until they actually attend a big event in November & go toe-to-toe with everyone. Until then, who cares? There are some solid AA bands out there & this is precisely why they deserve their own competitive day at BOA Nationals in prelims. I think the main issue people are having with MC is that they were on a decline, before a global pandemic that created two classes of rookies and shrunk many bands. Not to mention, rumor has it their practice schedule isn’t up to par with their past years. It’s hard to believe anything good is happening at Marian this year when that is all we have heard thus far. As I’ve said about other groups, I would love to be wrong on this one, too. MC is a great group and deserves the world, I just don’t know if they’re on that level anymore.
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Post by dbalash on Oct 27, 2021 7:06:34 GMT -6
I'm not sure where all of this talk of MC taking a major dive is coming from, other than having generally low expectations considering their situation related to the pandemic, but they did just nearly outscore Lincoln-Way at the conclusion of Lincoln-Way's season & bested Morton. For some reason, Lincoln-Way is also on this website's Top 30. I have no idea where they'll place in a few weeks, but not understanding how we're expecting a down year from groups without seeing them first? I have seen them - a lot of dirt, good potential. Not saying Top 12 (I have no idea), but I have a hard time seeing them not taking AA. At least if they roll in with a much cleaner program. And are we unfairly comparing these A & AAs to the mega-schools & school district-wide all-star marching bands? If so, that may be the first issue. I think Morton has shown that they are probably in the Top 5 as of this year. It's still Tarpon & Marian until further notice. Declarations about Camdenton will have to wait until they actually attend a big event in November & go toe-to-toe with everyone. Until then, who cares? There are some solid AA bands out there & this is precisely why they deserve their own competitive day at BOA Nationals in prelims. I think the main issue people are having with MC is that they were on a decline, before a global pandemic that created two classes of rookies and shrunk many bands. Not to mention, rumor has it their practice schedule isn’t up to par with their past years. It’s hard to believe anything good is happening at Marian this year when that is all we have heard thus far. As I’ve said about other groups, I would love to be wrong on this one, too. MC is a great group and deserves the world, I just don’t know if they’re on that level anymore. Save for the fact that they were a little over 2 points behind O'Fallon two weeks ago and .4 behind Lincoln-Way this past weekend. They'll be more than fine.
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Post by paddy on Oct 27, 2021 7:07:57 GMT -6
Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 100k enrollment school district. Technically, most Ohio bands are "district-wide" "all-star" marching bands. The majority of school districts have a single high school. We could say the same about much of Indiana as well. This may be one of the most asinine replies I have ever seen. Are you really comparing a one high school school district of 6,000 kids to a school corporation with 100k kids, 17 high schools one of which is a performing arts magnet school? In Ohio, you would literally have to combine the Columbus, Cleveland and Cincinnati school districts together to have a school district the size of Pinellas County. In Indiana, you would combine Fort Wayne, Indianapolis Public Schools, Evansville Vanderburgh Public schools and Hamilton Southeastern to have a school district the size of Pinellas County. And to my knowledge, none of those school districts in Indiana and Ohio have a performing arts magnet school. Of the schools in Indiana, Ft Wayne, Evansville and Hamilton Southeastern support multiple competitive marching bands.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 27, 2021 7:17:24 GMT -6
If you've followed my posts for a while on here, you know how much I hate the district-wide multi-high school marching band model from a competitive standpoint. There is a massive difference though between a Class A band that may not be able to actually field a band (from a numbers standpoint) and a AAAA, who should be fielding 2-3-4 individual bands w/ their respective directors, OUTSIDE STAFF & talent. This is the all-star district-wide band issue. Pooling resources may make sense financially for failed school districts like ... well Lincoln-Way for example... (not the band but the district itself, but for the massive failure detailed by some Illinois people on here, which is widely known), but that should not equal a competitive disadvantage for schools/districts/directors/students who come from more responsible environments. It is unfair to try to compare smaller bands to the standard set by 5000 student high schools & those resources. As for Tarpon Springs, I view them the same way as Marian Catholic. They have the ability to draw from a larger geographical area than most government schools & are uniquely positioned to bring in the talent, but do not field multiple sports teams, right? That's different than having three high schools & feeders directly pushing triple the amount of students or so into your competitive marching band machine. Tarpon is a unique case. BOA should seek to address these competitive imbalance issues, not to prop up poor performance, but to begin evolving in looking at smaller classes and the value of those performances in a new way. There are two Americas at play here & that's why I support a straight up A/AA prelims competition for the titles, with automatic qualifying (Top 3's) into Saturday evening's semifinals & Top 2 of each class into finals. Otherwise, BOA turns into what it is now.. which is a competition involving about 25-30 bands, with a ton of filler. <abbr class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1635333667000" title="Oct 27, 2021 7:21:07 GMT -4" style="font-size: 10pt;"> Oct 27, 2021 7:21:07 GMT -4</abbr> hewhowaits said:Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 25k enrollment school district. Technically, most Ohio bands are "district-wide" "all-star" marching bands. The majority of school districts have a single high school. We could say the same about much of Indiana as well.
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Post by thewho on Oct 27, 2021 7:25:49 GMT -6
Uncle Billy,
Your comments on Lincoln-Way are not appreciated on this forum. Quit the slandering.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 27, 2021 7:34:37 GMT -6
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Post by Allohak on Oct 27, 2021 7:45:44 GMT -6
Slandering? Point out where I am wrong? Most of this is public knowledge. You disagree with what exactly? Uncle Billy, Your comments on Lincoln-Way are not appreciated on this forum. Quit the slandering. Uncle Baby Billy has had some...interesting...things to say about Lincoln-Way, but this particular mention was pretty innocuous. He was actually making a solid point about a reason some districts decide to combine bands and using L-W as an example to back up that point was valid.
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Post by Uncle Baby Billy on Oct 27, 2021 7:49:43 GMT -6
I am a fan of some of the Lincoln-Way programs of the past. I thought East was pretty good for a while. I thought North had a decent run. I don't care for their approach to competitive marching band because I think it's unfair to many other groups that they compete with - not specific bands but everyone as a whole. That's an opinion. Anyone can disagree with it, but I do not mean to take away from their actual program, which was certainly a Top 20-25 BOA GN show, if they attended. <abbr class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1635342344000" title="Oct 27, 2021 9:45:44 GMT -4">Oct 27, 2021 9:45:44 GMT -4</abbr> Allohak said:Slandering? Point out where I am wrong? Most of this is public knowledge. You disagree with what exactly? Uncle Baby Billy has had some...interesting...things to say about Lincoln-Way, but this particular mention was pretty innocuous. He was actually making a solid point about a reason some districts decide to combine bands and using L-W as an example to back up that point was valid.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 27, 2021 7:50:22 GMT -6
I would like to help you with your quoting technique though. I’m not exactly sure what you are doing when you are replying to a post, but my Type A brain is desperate to “fix” it. 🤣
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Post by srv1084 on Oct 27, 2021 8:12:24 GMT -6
Reasons to combine multiple high schools in one district: - Shared resources based on district infrastructure (practice facilities, district-wide staff assignments)
- An imbalance of available budgets at individual schools within a district (instrument budgets, staff cuts, travel budgets)
- Dwindling numbers/interest that put an individual school in jeopardy of losing their program over time (think we can all agree we don't want to see this happen)
Reasons not to combine multiple high schools in one district: - Super-mega-awesome-competitive marching band
Can anybody give me an example of just one marching band that has combined for option 2 as opposed to some factors related to option 1?
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Post by ohioguy2 on Oct 27, 2021 8:14:59 GMT -6
Reasons to combine multiple high schools in one district: - Shared resources based on district infrastructure (practice facilities, district-wide staff assignments)
- An imbalance of available budgets at individual schools within a district (instrument budgets, staff cuts, travel budgets)
- Dwindling numbers/interest that put an individual school in jeopardy of losing their program over time (think we can all agree we don't want to see this happen)
Reasons not to combine multiple high schools in one district: - Super-mega-awesome-competitive marching band
Can anybody give me an example of just one marching band that has combined for option 2 as opposed to some factors related to option 1? Forest Hills, kind of. There were good reasons that made sense for them as a district, obviously, but both Anderson and Turpin were doing fine on their own.
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Post by hostrauser on Oct 27, 2021 8:46:21 GMT -6
Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 100k enrollment school district. 100,000 K-12 enrollment. The high school enrollment for the district is about 30,000. And while, yes, Tarpon Springs is the performing arts magnet, several of the other Pinellas schools field competitive marching bands (mostly in FMBC, but Palm Harbor University H.S. has done BOA before, too). So I wouldn't imply that they are the only music program in the district. Interestingly, Tarpon Springs is made up of numerous specialized academies. They are also the district magnet for culinary arts, journalism, and veterinary sciences (!)
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Post by paddy on Oct 27, 2021 8:48:31 GMT -6
Reasons to combine multiple high schools in one district: - Shared resources based on district infrastructure (practice facilities, district-wide staff assignments)
- An imbalance of available budgets at individual schools within a district (instrument budgets, staff cuts, travel budgets)
- Dwindling numbers/interest that put an individual school in jeopardy of losing their program over time (think we can all agree we don't want to see this happen)
Reasons not to combine multiple high schools in one district: - Super-mega-awesome-competitive marching band
Can anybody give me an example of just one marching band that has combined for option 2 as opposed to some factors related to option 1? I am not sure you can divorce Option 2 from Option 1. The ability to be competitive is nearly always part of the conversation.
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 27, 2021 8:52:26 GMT -6
Technically, most Ohio bands are "district-wide" "all-star" marching bands. The majority of school districts have a single high school. We could say the same about much of Indiana as well. This may be one of the most asinine replies I have ever seen. Are you really comparing a one high school school district of 6,000 kids to a school corporation with 100k kids, 17 high schools one of which is a performing arts magnet school? In Ohio, you would literally have to combine the Columbus, Cleveland and Cincinnati school districts together to have a school district the size of Pinellas County. In Indiana, you would combine Fort Wayne, Indianapolis Public Schools, Evansville Vanderburgh Public schools and Hamilton Southeastern to have a school district the size of Pinellas County. And to my knowledge, none of those school districts in Indiana and Ohio have a performing arts magnet school. Of the schools in Indiana, Ft Wayne, Evansville and Hamilton Southeastern support multiple competitive marching bands. What you call "one of the most asinine replies" you've ever seen was sarcastically pointing out that the term "district-wide" (and to a lesser extent "all-star") is a fallacy used when complaining about combined bands. District-wide means very different things in various places. At no point did I say, for example, Mason City Schools with 10,627 students was "comparable" to Pinellas County.
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Post by paddy on Oct 27, 2021 8:57:21 GMT -6
Technically, Tarpon Springs is a district wide all-star marching band. They are a small performing arts magnet school in a 100k enrollment school district. 100,000 K-12 enrollment. The high school enrollment for the district is about 30,000. And while, yes, Tarpon Springs is the performing arts magnet, several of the other Pinellas schools field competitive marching bands (mostly in FMBC, but Palm Harbor University H.S. has done BOA before, too). So I wouldn't imply that they are the only music program in the district. Interestingly, Tarpon Springs is made up of numerous specialized academies. They are also the district magnet for culinary arts, journalism, and veterinary sciences (!) K-12 enrollment is the quickest comparable. Rule of thumb, divide by 4 and that is 9-12. I never implied they are the only music program in the district. However, they ae the most successful and that attracts students. Fishers HS (in the Hamilton Southeastern School District) is already pulling kids away from HSE HS who are interested in being part of the better band program.
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