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Post by supersound on Jun 9, 2022 17:20:07 GMT -6
I can’t say I really understand these “Don’t compete against each other agreements” but maybe that’s because I’m used to Texas marching band.
If bands in districts like LISD North + South or NEISD decided not to compete against each other that would eliminate a sizable amount of completions, not to mention the fact that eventually they’d face each other at area anyways.
I think it’s healthy to have bands from the same district competing against each other, “rivalries” exist in all contexts across the country and I feel like it emphasizes the negative side of them to prevent competition rather than allowing friendly competition.
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Post by srv1084 on Jun 9, 2022 17:26:23 GMT -6
Not claiming to know the situation with any of these non-compete agreements, but the perspective on healthy vs negative rivalries is all about the culture at the programs. If the decision to not compete against each other is due to fear of nasty rivalry, that's simply not the right answer. It's entirely possible for two groups to foster a competitive environment with mutual respect while pushing each other for the better, and that doesn't mean that either one wants to win less than the other. I experienced that dynamic when I marched and it made both of us want to be better. We never left finals retreat without a big group photo, regardless of who came out on top.
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Post by Marching Observer on Jun 9, 2022 17:26:39 GMT -6
The only ones I had heard of before the Fort Mill area ones here included the Lincoln-Way schools before the bands merged, and the Lakota's which seems to have finally changed as well since as someone pointed out, they'll both be at GN this year.
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Post by srv1084 on Jun 9, 2022 17:27:49 GMT -6
The only ones I had heard of before the Fort Mill area ones here included the Lincoln-Way schools before the bands merged, and the Lakota's which seems to have finally changed as well since as someone pointed out, they'll both be at GN this year. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Lassiter and Kennesaw (and maybe others?) also had that type of agreement.
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Post by trumpet300 on Jun 9, 2022 17:55:10 GMT -6
Huh, this should be a fun regional. I’m excited to see how Fort Mill and Kiski will stack up against each other. I also know that Mill Creek, Freedom, James Madison and John P. Stevens are also not be forgotten. Ikr. They had a sort of rivalry in 2009/2010 back in Ohio. Oh how things change… and yet they don’t 😁 Not sure why they feel the need to travel so far for a boa show with quite a few in driving distance. But they don’t seem to care about distance do they. And Kiski came out on top both of those years. Watching Fort mill this past season, they would have definitely come second to Kiski. I know it wasn't a great year for their state so I'm sure we can attribute some of the set back to that, but I'm definitely interested in how they will do this year against Kiski though...should be fun!
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 9, 2022 18:08:10 GMT -6
Ikr. They had a sort of rivalry in 2009/2010 back in Ohio. Oh how things change… and yet they don’t 😁 Not sure why they feel the need to travel so far for a boa show with quite a few in driving distance. But they don’t seem to care about distance do they. And Kiski came out on top both of those years. Watching Fort mill this past season, they would have definitely come second to Kiski. I know it wasn't a great year for their state so I'm sure we can attribute some of the set back to that, but I'm definitely interested in how they will do this year against Kiski though...should be fun! Would have been worse than second. SC was hit pretty hard since summer 2020 was a peak of cases so that season was a complete wash with no full shows. The only exception was the upstate triangle which had a few judged shows and some festivals. This why Byrnes didn’t skip much of a beat. Same with Easley, Daniel, and the like.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 9, 2022 18:17:46 GMT -6
Ikr. They had a sort of rivalry in 2009/2010 back in Ohio. Oh how things change… and yet they don’t 😁 Not sure why they feel the need to travel so far for a boa show with quite a few in driving distance. But they don’t seem to care about distance do they. And Kiski came out on top both of those years. Watching Fort mill this past season, they would have definitely come second to Kiski. I know it wasn't a great year for their state so I'm sure we can attribute some of the set back to that, but I'm definitely interested in how they will do this year against Kiski though...should be fun! Last year, Fort Mill would’ve placed anywhere from 2nd to 5th mattering on the run. Their show wasn’t as great as past years and it showed. However, I’ve heard things about Fort Mill recently that give me a bigger inclination that they will be on way better footing than previous years. While I have a major personal bias towards Fort Mill, I can’t deny the facts that Kiski is damn good and it will be a tough competition. I think Fort Mill can pull it out mattering on the amount of change between their approach. Also- can anyone find an actual video of Kiski’s show this year that isn’t a headcam?
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 9, 2022 18:31:45 GMT -6
And Kiski came out on top both of those years. Watching Fort mill this past season, they would have definitely come second to Kiski. I know it wasn't a great year for their state so I'm sure we can attribute some of the set back to that, but I'm definitely interested in how they will do this year against Kiski though...should be fun! Last year, Fort Mill would’ve placed anywhere from 2nd to 5th mattering on the run. Their show wasn’t as great as past years and it showed. However, I’ve heard things about Fort Mill recently that give me a bigger inclination that they will be on way better footing than previous years. While I have a major personal bias towards Fort Mill, I can’t deny the facts that Kiski is damn good and it will be a tough competition. I think Fort Mill can pull it out mattering on the amount of change between their approach. Also- can anyone find an actual video of Kiski’s show this year that isn’t a headcam? I'm sorry to clean for Oct.23 . They would have won Class 2A in 2021 if they had gone. Their ending is so good.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 9, 2022 18:59:51 GMT -6
Last year, Fort Mill would’ve placed anywhere from 2nd to 5th mattering on the run. Their show wasn’t as great as past years and it showed. However, I’ve heard things about Fort Mill recently that give me a bigger inclination that they will be on way better footing than previous years. While I have a major personal bias towards Fort Mill, I can’t deny the facts that Kiski is damn good and it will be a tough competition. I think Fort Mill can pull it out mattering on the amount of change between their approach. Also- can anyone find an actual video of Kiski’s show this year that isn’t a headcam? I'm sorry to clean for Oct.23 . They would have won Class 2A in 2021 if they had gone. Their ending is so good. They may not have the best full sound but I’d be damned if I said they weren’t super clean and their soloists weren’t good. That Soprano is very talented and so is the electric guitar/synth player. It really comes down to Kiski (excellent visuals, soloists and percussion) vs Fort Mill (great visuals, design and ensemble sound). I’m super excited for this regional…
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 9, 2022 19:16:43 GMT -6
For the heck of it. Fort Mill on the same date as Kiski's PIMBA Championships.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 9, 2022 19:54:36 GMT -6
For the heck of it. Fort Mill on the same date as Kiski's PIMBA Championships. Going off of both of their performances, I’d say that Kiski definitely has the leg up. I think Fort Mill has a very good visual program, but the lack of Color Guard makes them less likely to win it when it’s against an amazing Color Guard like Kiski’s. I also think that Kiski would take music due to it being cleaner but I do think Fort Mill would take general effect. Kiski would win overall, their scores in general effect being very close and their other scores being better than Fort Mill’s. However, who is to say what will happen this year. Fort Mill is known to pull things off that just work. But yeah, bad year for Fort Mill (2021) and South Carolina as a whole.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 9, 2022 19:59:37 GMT -6
Fort Mill pulled a Union 2021 last year. Very little about that show was clean, or of their usual quality. Although I know fees were about half, as were Nation Ford’s. At least they have a new guard person.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 9, 2022 20:00:53 GMT -6
Going off of both of their performances, I’d say that Kiski definitely has the leg up. I think Fort Mill has a very good visual program, but the lack of Color Guard makes them less likely to win it when it’s against an amazing Color Guard like Kiski’s. I also think that Kiski would take music due to it being cleaner but I do think Fort Mill would take general effect. Kiski would win overall, their scores in general effect being very close and their other scores being better than Fort Mill’s. However, who is to say what will happen this year. Fort Mill is known to pull things off that just work. But yeah, bad year for Fort Mill (2021) and South Carolina as a whole. 100% Agreed.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 9, 2022 20:24:20 GMT -6
Fort Mill pulled a Union 2021 last year. Very little about that show was clean, or of their usual quality. Although I know fees were about half, as were Nation Ford’s. At least they have a new guard person. That's very true, their guard was a major problem last year. Covid definitely screwed them when it came to building their band and their Color Guard was hit the hardest. However, from what I have heard: Fort Mill will have a 21-30 person Color Guard next year and their new instructors have been very solid. Another reason why Fort Mill will probably do well and place 2nd (or maybe even 1st) next year is the fact that their numbers are increasing drastically. While they normally have around 150 members, their member count has soared from their 110 this year to 170 next year. All I'm saying is that Fort Mill is going to (probably) be very good next year.[/quote]
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Post by trumpet300 on Jun 9, 2022 21:04:21 GMT -6
Last year, Fort Mill would’ve placed anywhere from 2nd to 5th mattering on the run. Their show wasn’t as great as past years and it showed. However, I’ve heard things about Fort Mill recently that give me a bigger inclination that they will be on way better footing than previous years. While I have a major personal bias towards Fort Mill, I can’t deny the facts that Kiski is damn good and it will be a tough competition. I think Fort Mill can pull it out mattering on the amount of change between their approach. Also- can anyone find an actual video of Kiski’s show this year that isn’t a headcam? I'm sorry to clean for Oct.23 . They would have won Class 2A in 2021 if they had gone. Their ending is so good. The problem for me with Kiskis show isn't that they don't play well or March well, there just isn't any substance in their design to me. I don't see last years show as a "Nationals" show. Definitely deserved the win at the regional but I don't think it had enough "stuff" for nationals. Love the band, just not the 2021 production. Again. Just my opinion.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 9, 2022 21:34:47 GMT -6
I'm sorry to clean for Oct.23 . They would have won Class 2A in 2021 if they had gone. Their ending is so good. The problem for me with Kiskis show isn't that they don't play well or March well, there just isn't any substance in their design to me. I don't see last years show as a "Nationals" show. Definitely deserved the win at the regional but I don't think it had enough "stuff" for nationals. Love the band, just not the 2021 production. Again. Just my opinion. Very fair. I found the soloists to be very talented and I liked the general premise of the show. I agree that they should have won but I don't know how they will stack up next year. I know that I am giving Fort Mill a lot of credit- but at the end of their season, they began to march and play a lot better. So I think that's why it will be very close next year.
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Post by trumpet300 on Jun 9, 2022 21:56:07 GMT -6
The problem for me with Kiskis show isn't that they don't play well or March well, there just isn't any substance in their design to me. I don't see last years show as a "Nationals" show. Definitely deserved the win at the regional but I don't think it had enough "stuff" for nationals. Love the band, just not the 2021 production. Again. Just my opinion. Very fair. I found the soloists to be very talented and I liked the general premise of the show. I agree that they should have won but I don't know how they will stack up next year. I know that I am giving Fort Mill a lot of credit- but at the end of their season, they began to march and play a lot better. So I think that's why it will be very close next year. The soloists were great for sure! I think it will be close as well. My main point was that I don't believe they would have won 2A at Nats. I think the would have been second and definitely would have had a caption but not the title imo.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 9, 2022 22:49:06 GMT -6
Very fair. I found the soloists to be very talented and I liked the general premise of the show. I agree that they should have won but I don't know how they will stack up next year. I know that I am giving Fort Mill a lot of credit- but at the end of their season, they began to march and play a lot better. So I think that's why it will be very close next year. The soloists were great for sure! I think it will be close as well. My main point was that I don't believe they would have won 2A at Nats. I think the would have been second and definitely would have had a caption but not the title imo. Yeah agreed. Norwin was far and away the best 2A band. Especially visually. Yes their amazing guard, but they march very well too. Marian was maybe better in music but not enough. Although I competed with Norwin in the past, I was very happy to see them win the 2A last year.
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 10, 2022 0:01:21 GMT -6
At the moment, there I can’t say who will place where in finals. However, I do have my running list of who I think will win which class. (AA) Kiski Area High School - Runner up: Independence High School (AAA) Fort Mill High School - Runner up: Freedom High School (AAAA) Mill Creek High School - Runner up: John P. Stevens
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Post by trumpet300 on Jun 10, 2022 7:55:48 GMT -6
The soloists were great for sure! I think it will be close as well. My main point was that I don't believe they would have won 2A at Nats. I think the would have been second and definitely would have had a caption but not the title imo. Yeah agreed. Norwin was far and away the best 2A band. Especially visually. Yes their amazing guard, but they march very well too. Marian was maybe better in music but not enough. Although I competed with Norwin in the past, I was very happy to see them win the 2A last year. Agreed! I think Kiski had a show that was constructed for that regional. Nothing super crazy in the visuals and music, just a show that flowed and was fairly easy to clean for October. Sometimes it's easy to say certain groups would have won but we all have to remember, in this case, Nats was basically a month away and at Maryland, Norwins show wasn't done where kiski was and it was produced. Same with Cleveland. There show changed from Maryland to Nats as well and we saw Norwin pass them up no problem in November. Kiski was designed to peak for the regional, Cleveland and Norwin peaked at Nationals. Look at Marian, they are known for doing decently well at regionals and then winning nationals lol. They know when to peak.
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Post by trumpet300 on Jun 10, 2022 8:13:25 GMT -6
At the moment, there I can’t say who will place where in finals. However, I do have my running list of who I think will win which class. (AA) Kiski Area High School - Runner up: Independence High School (AAA) Fort Mill High School - Runner up: Freedom High School (AAAA) Mill Creek High School - Runner up: John P. Stevens Not sure is James Madison will be 3A or 4A but if they are 3A, I'd say they have a shot at 1st but are a comfortable choice for second (all depends on the level of fort mill for this season). If they are 4A, I'd have to give them the edge to win but could also see them 2nd with it being super close and even taking a caption.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 10, 2022 8:26:36 GMT -6
Hot take (maybe?). I think it's dumb when schools agree not to compete against each other. I get the argument for it, but I still don't like it. yeah can you imagine trying to do that in Texas?!!
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Post by fantasticalcloud on Jun 10, 2022 11:54:23 GMT -6
At the moment, there I can’t say who will place where in finals. However, I do have my running list of who I think will win which class. (AA) Kiski Area High School - Runner up: Independence High School (AAA) Fort Mill High School - Runner up: Freedom High School (AAAA) Mill Creek High School - Runner up: John P. Stevens Not sure is James Madison will be 3A or 4A but if they are 3A, I'd say they have a shot at 1st but are a comfortable choice for second (all depends on the level of fort mill for this season). If they are 4A, I'd have to give them the edge to win but could also see them 2nd with it being super close and even taking a caption. At the moment, it all depends on Fort Mill. If they have a really good show and can manage to clean it just enough, they can take the entire competition. However, if they are dirtier than other bands: they are in for a world of hurt.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on Jun 10, 2022 23:12:49 GMT -6
Very Likely:
West Genesee H.S., NY
Source: Band Calendar - (BOA Trip Friday-Sunday)
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 11, 2022 7:23:27 GMT -6
Very Likely: West Genesee H.S., NY Source: Band Calendar - (BOA Trip Friday-Sunday) I think we can confirm them I just don't see them going to Midland, TX or Dallas, TX. This is turning out be an amazing Regional! Might have to travel down south. I would love to see Liverpool and CNS or Arlington come.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 11, 2022 11:21:55 GMT -6
Drop:
John P. Stevens H.S., NJ - (USBands - The Ludwig Musser Classic)
Source: Band Calendar
- They are competing with South Brunswick, McLean, North Penn. - North Penn is back to Group V Open for now.
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Post by neop on Jun 12, 2022 20:25:19 GMT -6
Drop: Susquehannock H.S., PA (member confirmation that they go every other year)
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 17, 2022 8:42:49 GMT -6
Confirmed: Cab Calloway School of the Arts, DE - ( Bands of America UofD) Source: Band Calendar I competed against them before really good band loved their 2017 show. I say they will land somewhere between 15th-8th place Facts: Only compete in Tournament of Bands *The second Delaware band to compete in BOA Mid-Altantic and first timer* *Typically top 2 for the 4 past years at Tournament of Bands ACC* - Usually around 80-100 members
2021: First time CCSA won TOB ACC and becoming the third Delaware Band to win ACC Group Title since 1991 Bradywine HS (DE) and Thomas McKean HS (DE) in 1974
2017: Highest Score for CCSA in Tournament of Bands Atlantic Coast Championships was an 97.30 2017: | 2018: | 2019: | 2021: | 98.25: Brick Memorial HS (NJ) 97.30: Cab Calloway School of the Arts (DE) 95.80: West Shore Marching Band (PA) 95.20: Musselman HS (WV) 94.35: Appoquinimink HS (DE) 93.60: Pennsbury HS (PA) 92.65: Linganore HS (MD) 92.25: Caesar Rodney HS (DE) 91.90: Elizabeth HS (NJ) 89.95: Ramsey HS (NJ)
| 96.65: Brick Memorial HS (NJ) 95.40: Cab Calloway School of the Arts (DE) 95.35: Appoquinimink HS (DE) 95.15: Pennsbury HS (PA) 92.80: Caesar Rodney HS (DE) 91.15: Ramsey HS (NJ) 90.05: Linganore HS (MD) | 97.10: Brick Memorial HS (NJ) 96.40: Cab Calloway School of the Arts (DE) 95.00: Appoquinimink HS (DE) 92.90: Musselman HS (WV) 92.40: Pennsbury HS (PA) 91.60: Caesar Rodney HS (DE) 90.85: Ramsey HS (NJ) 82.60: Berwick HS (PA) | 94.30: Cab Calloway School of the Arts (DE) 93.00: Musselman HS (WV)
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Other top 2 performance in 2018 and 2019
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Post by statechamp1239 on Jun 17, 2022 19:14:09 GMT -6
I have question what regional has the highest state representation?
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Post by Marching Observer on Jun 17, 2022 19:23:05 GMT -6
I have question what regional has the highest state representation? Are you referring to the be greatest number of different states represented or sheer number of same state representation? Because the latter is most definitely SA lol.
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