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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 13, 2022 10:46:19 GMT -6
Doesn't explain the Okies. The OU diphthong flows better than UO? I'm thinking more like a shortening of "oh, you!" in response to amorous intentions during the Prairie Schooner days.
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Post by Allohak on Oct 13, 2022 10:53:58 GMT -6
The OU diphthong flows better than UO? I'm thinking more like a shortening of "oh, you!" in response to amorous intentions during the Prairie Schooner days. ...but Ado Annie cain't say no
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Post by Samuel Culper on Oct 13, 2022 11:32:24 GMT -6
I think the consonant-first positioning flows better, which is probably why it’s used by other colleges. Doesn't explain the Okies. Not much does. (Hook'em!)
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 13, 2022 11:33:28 GMT -6
Doesn't explain the Okies. Not much does. (Hook'em!) I'm surprised it took this long for a Texan to jump on that!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 13, 2022 11:54:04 GMT -6
It will be very interesting to see where Lakota West lands. They certainly have come a long way in their short time competing at the BOA level. Two strait regional wins in Central Ohio and a strong showing in Utah last year should give them some confidence against upper level competition. Going out on a limb to predict they will be in the top 7 for the first time at a super regional. Last year I thought Lakota West should have won the Buckeye Invitational (they placed fourth behind Lakota East, Pickerington North, and Kettering Fairmont). But later I heard from people sitting much lower in the stands at OSU than me who complained that too much of West's sound was coming through their speakers. Judging from the official video feeds last year, I thought Lakota West at the St. George Regional was much stronger than Bentonville was at Grand Nationals a week later -- and the G.N. judges and I agreed on the Prelims placement for Bentonville (32nd, but I scored them, and most bands, lower than the judges did). Then sometime afterward, I saw near field level footage of Lakota West at St. George, and they seemed less impressive than I remembered. Based on the stream of their performance at Obetz a few weeks ago, West seems weaker this year than last -- but I never saw their Obetz performance last year, and who knows how much they've improved since then. That said, looking over the past decade, despite my subsequent misgivings, I'd rank West's 2021 show as my favorite, followed I think by 2017, 2014, 2013, 2016, 2018, 2019, and 2015 (the last would rank higher if I were only basing it on their performance at the Perkins competition, but they made mistakes in their other two performances I attended that year -- at the Buckeye Invitational and at State Finals -- while they even managed to lose to Turpin at another 2015 contest).
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Post by cp823 on Oct 13, 2022 12:04:18 GMT -6
Really excited for Blue Springs here, this show is special imo. They’re already looking fantastic from an individual standpoint as well, some of the best in the nation. Let’s see how closely they can shadow broken arrow.
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Post by band05 on Oct 13, 2022 12:11:37 GMT -6
Doesn't explain the Okies. Not much does. (Hook'em!) That is not very kind of you But neither was beating OU 49-0
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 13, 2022 12:43:44 GMT -6
It will be very interesting to see where Lakota West lands. They certainly have come a long way in their short time competing at the BOA level. Two strait regional wins in Central Ohio and a strong showing in Utah last year should give them some confidence against upper level competition. Going out on a limb to predict they will be in the top 7 for the first time at a super regional. Last year I thought Lakota West should have won the Buckeye Invitational (they placed fourth behind Lakota East, Pickerington North, and Kettering Fairmont). But later I heard from people sitting much lower in the stands at OSU than me who complained that too much of West's sound was coming through their speakers. Judging from the official video feeds last year, I thought Lakota West at the St. George Regional was much stronger than Bentonville was at Grand Nationals a week later -- and the G.N. judges and I agreed on the Prelims placement for Bentonville (32nd, but I scored them, and most bands, lower than the judges did). Then sometime afterward, I saw near field level footage of Lakota West at St. George, and they seemed less impressive than I remembered. Based on the stream of their performance at Obetz a few weeks ago, West seems weaker this year than last -- but I never saw their Obetz performance last year, and who knows how much they've improved since then. That said, looking over the past decade, despite my subsequent misgivings, I'd rank West's 2021 show as my favorite, followed I think by 2017, 2014, 2013, 2016, 2018, 2019, and 2015 (the last would rank higher if I were only basing it on their performance at the Perkins competition, but they made mistakes in their other two performances I attended that year -- at the Buckeye Invitational and at State Finals -- while they even managed to lose to Turpin at another 2015 contest). Interesting perspective that is well thought out. Obetz is hard to judge because it's very early and their entire show was not presented. Not sure how much they will show this weekend in Saint Louis. I thought their 2021 show was very well done from a marching and music standpoint. West had a major guard/aux change in leadership in 2020 and that plus the Covid year really hurt them. If that's corrected, they will be top 7 this weekend.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Oct 13, 2022 13:05:03 GMT -6
WOW! I just watched the news story. Those aren’t just weeds, but actual trees growing in those parking lots! I hope that news report did some good and the guy who owns those parking lots gets that taken care of today! I really hope they get it cleaned up. It’s honestly a bit shocking. 😳 Work is definitely being done in regards to weed removal/trash pickup by the St. Louis area community. It's even gotten some mainstream news attention from our local Fox affiliate.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 13, 2022 13:12:50 GMT -6
Really excited for Blue Springs here, this show is special imo. They’re already looking fantastic from an individual standpoint as well, some of the best in the nation. Let’s see how closely they can shadow broken arrow. I actually prefer this years show to 2018. I know my friends would punch me for saying that but musically I feel like it’s more vulnerable and those kids are executing it so well. Visually though I don’t think it beats From a Different Angle. Bummer they aren’t going to GN with this show. But Hawaii will be a fun a trip for them. I still think there will be an 2 point gap atleast between BA and BS.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Oct 13, 2022 14:50:09 GMT -6
That is not very kind of you But neither was beating OU 49-0 On the other hand, that was three hours of joyful bliss for Longhorn fans. It was so kind of OU to provide that.
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Post by principalagent on Oct 13, 2022 16:57:57 GMT -6
That is not very kind of you But neither was beating OU 49-0 On the other hand, that was three hours of joyful bliss for Longhorn fans. It was so kind of OU to provide that. Gotta say—this distracted me in the stands during TMC.
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Post by glass on Oct 13, 2022 18:07:20 GMT -6
Really excited for Blue Springs here, this show is special imo. They’re already looking fantastic from an individual standpoint as well, some of the best in the nation. Let’s see how closely they can shadow broken arrow. I actually prefer this years show to 2018. I know my friends would punch me for saying that but musically I feel like it’s more vulnerable and those kids are executing it so well. Visually though I don’t think it beats From a Different Angle. Bummer they aren’t going to GN with this show. But Hawaii will be a fun a trip for them. I still think there will be an 2 point gap atleast between BA and BS. I haven't seen Blue Springs this year properly yet, but BS 2018 is probably one of the best and most revolutionary high school shows of all time (seriously, aren't more and more bands emulating the Blue Springs visual style now?) I hope what you're saying is true because I'm already super excited for this competition.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 13, 2022 18:27:02 GMT -6
I actually prefer this years show to 2018. I know my friends would punch me for saying that but musically I feel like it’s more vulnerable and those kids are executing it so well. Visually though I don’t think it beats From a Different Angle. Bummer they aren’t going to GN with this show. But Hawaii will be a fun a trip for them. I still think there will be an 2 point gap atleast between BA and BS. I haven't seen Blue Springs this year properly yet, but BS 2018 is probably one of the best and most revolutionary high school shows of all time (seriously, aren't more and more bands emulating the Blue Springs visual style now?) I hope what you're saying is true because I'm already super excited for this competition. I think its visually more relatable to 2019 (Land of Make Believe.) But musically I think its better than both, I may just be crazy though. I guess we'll see tomorrow
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Post by LeanderMomma on Oct 13, 2022 18:51:40 GMT -6
The 2022 St. Louis Super Regional will be held Oct. 14–15 at The Dome At America's Center in St. Louis, Missouri. OFFICIAL PRELIMS SCHEDULE AS OF 10/11/22 (Central Time) FRIDAY Panel 2 11:30 - Wentzville-Liberty H.S., MO 11:45 - East Peoria Community H.S., IL 12:00 - Wright City H.S., MO 12:15 - Windsor H.S., MO 12:30 - Belleville East H.S., IL 12:45 - Danville H.S., IL 1:00 - Collinsville H.S., IL 1:15 - Yukon H.S, OK 1:30 - David H. Hickman H.S., MO 1:45 - Fort Zumwalt West H.S., MO 2:00 - Cape Girardeau Central H.S., MO 2:15 - Granite City H.S., IL BREAK Panel 1 3:00 - Francis Howell North H.S., MO 3:15 - Francis Howell Central H.S., MO 3:30 - Marquette H.S., MO 3:45 - Wentzville Holt H.S., MO 4:00 - Parkway South H.S., MO 4:15 - Monticello H.S., IL 4:30 - Lindbergh H.S., MO 4:45 - Timberland H.S., MO 5:00 - Normal H.S., IL 5:15 - Parkway Central H.S., MO 5:30 - Fort Zumwalt North H.S., MO 5:45 - Southmoore H.S., OK 6:00 - O'Fallon Township H.S., IL BREAK Panel 2 6:45 - Mascoutah H.S., IL 7:00 - Edwardsville H.S., IL 7:15 - Oakville H.S., MO 7:30 - Blue Springs H.S., MO 7:45 - Millard West H.S., NE 8:00 - Sullivan H.S., MO 8:15 - Herscher H.S., IL 8:30 - Lafayette H.S., MO 8:45 - Blue Springs South H.S., MO 9:00 - Lake Travis H.S., TX 9:15 - Rockwood Summit H.S., MO 9:30 - Hernando H.S., MS SATURDAY Panel 1 8:00 - L.D. Bell H.S., TX 8:15 - Bentonville West H.S., AR 8:30 - Washington H.S., MO 8:45 - Lakota West H.S., OH 9:00 - Fayetteville H.S., AR 9:15 - Lincoln H.S., SD 9:30 - Berryhill H.S., OK BREAK Panel 2 10:15 - Francis Howell H.S., MO 10:30 - Hollister H.S., MO 10:45 - Willard H.S., MO 11:00 - Millard North H.S., NE 11:15 - Huntley H.S., IL 11:30 - Russell County H.S., KY 11:45 - Bentonville H.S., AR BREAK Panel 1 12:30 - Papillion-La Vista South H.S., NE 12:45 - Bryant H.S., AR 1:00 - Lake Park H.S., IL 1:15 - Limestone Community H.S., IL 1:30 - Mustang H.S., OK 1:45 - Germantown H.S., MS 2:00 - Nixa H.S., MO 2:15 - Prospect H.S., IL 2:30 - Plainfield North H.S., IL 2:45 - Grain Valley H.S., MO 3:00 - Broken Arrow H.S., OK 3:15 - Ex. Univ. of Arkansas at Pine Bluff I added the schedule to the OP for ease in finding it in a hurry. 🤗
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 13, 2022 19:41:14 GMT -6
I haven't seen Blue Springs this year properly yet, but BS 2018 is probably one of the best and most revolutionary high school shows of all time (seriously, aren't more and more bands emulating the Blue Springs visual style now?) I hope what you're saying is true because I'm already super excited for this competition. That was a very good show, but what about it was revolutionary?
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Post by principalagent on Oct 13, 2022 20:01:36 GMT -6
I haven't seen Blue Springs this year properly yet, but BS 2018 is probably one of the best and most revolutionary high school shows of all time (seriously, aren't more and more bands emulating the Blue Springs visual style now?) I hope what you're saying is true because I'm already super excited for this competition. I think its visually more relatable to 2019 (Land of Make Believe.) But musically I think its better than both, I may just be crazy though. I guess we'll see tomorrow You’re not crazy at all. This might be their best musical show of all time. It’s very impressive for a band that historically lags behind musically—sometimes by a lot.
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Post by trumpette123 on Oct 13, 2022 21:19:18 GMT -6
I think its visually more relatable to 2019 (Land of Make Believe.) But musically I think its better than both, I may just be crazy though. I guess we'll see tomorrow You’re not crazy at all. This might be their best musical show of all time. It’s very impressive for a band that historically lags behind musically—sometimes by a lot. Tim Allshouse and Lindsey Vento have created a great foundation for that school. It’s been a slow progress since the early 2000s. And rapidly started growing when Lindsey join in 2011. It worries me to see what will happen to the program when Tim retires. But I guess every program faces those issues. On a different note. I think Blue Spring South’s charter buses fell through, but the school district was able to get school buses to get them to St. Louis tomorrow thankfully.
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Post by nomorehoney on Oct 13, 2022 21:19:21 GMT -6
I haven't seen Blue Springs this year properly yet, but BS 2018 is probably one of the best and most revolutionary high school shows of all time (seriously, aren't more and more bands emulating the Blue Springs visual style now?) I hope what you're saying is true because I'm already super excited for this competition. That was a very good show, but what about it was revolutionary? To the side
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 13, 2022 21:23:08 GMT -6
That was a very good show, but what about it was revolutionary? To the side And what about that was revolutionary?
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Oct 13, 2022 21:24:48 GMT -6
The OU diphthong flows better than UO? “U of O” is disgusting on the ears...no offense to Oregon "U of O" sounds like this to me:
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Post by abtwitch on Oct 13, 2022 22:48:55 GMT -6
Spent a very long time trying to figure out who to put in the last four spots... but here we go!
1. Broken Arrow (Sweep) 2. Blue Springs 3. Mustang 4. Lake Travis 5. L.D. Bell 6. O'Fallon Township 7. Bentonville 8. Grain Valley 9. Lincoln 10. Lakota West 11. Southmoore 12. Nixa 13. Blue Springs South 14. Millard West
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Post by marimba11 on Oct 14, 2022 1:03:13 GMT -6
The fight for the bronze medal will be interesting. I am thinking it will be Bell but not sure
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Post by glass on Oct 14, 2022 1:04:14 GMT -6
I haven't seen Blue Springs this year properly yet, but BS 2018 is probably one of the best and most revolutionary high school shows of all time (seriously, aren't more and more bands emulating the Blue Springs visual style now?) I hope what you're saying is true because I'm already super excited for this competition. That was a very good show, but what about it was revolutionary? I may be wrong about this as I have probably seen less shows overall than most people on this forum, but from my experience watching pre-2018 and post-2018 shows, the way that BS 2018 approached visuals in general (more about flowing, quick moving forms with an emphasis on choreography and non-traditional movement) was definitely what propelled them to being placed over BA and Tarpon and all the other great bands that year. Since then, I have seen more bands adopt this style (my alma mater included), with Blue Springs itself obviously making a transition from pre-2018 where they very much just look like an Indiana band (in my interpretation) to doing more complex choreography and movement. Of course, it's hard to replicate BS 2018 just because of how well the forms integrated with the on-field pink tarps, but still I feel that influence is there and I can't really find shows pre-2018 that had visual programs like this. Of course, not every drill/choreo writer instantly adopted this style, but for me it's a kind of proof of concept. As much as I love the music of BS 2018, it wasn't anything crazy. The band was okay (on a Grand Nats scale). But it's my favorite show of all time just because of how beautiful a picture the visual program paints, and because that visual program propelled them to beat superbands. You can't really say that about many shows, so that's why I call it revolutionary. Essentially Blue Springs 2018 was a proof of concept for this visual style. And it's such an effective proof of concept in my opinion because they performed so well at Nats that year. They exceeded literally everyone's expectations, and I would wager that it's not because they had a super amazing musical program that year. So what does this show band directors and show designers? You can be a decent GN-finalist tier band with a pretty good musical program and if you create a show that is ridiculously visually stunning, you can beat superbands. If anything, regardless of the specifics of how Blue Springs 2018 was so visually unique, it ultimately shows that that is true. Or maybe I'm reading too far into high school marching band. Whatever, it's fun.
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Post by hulahooper on Oct 14, 2022 4:36:38 GMT -6
Looking forward to being at this competition for the first time. The videos of the lot situation is disturbing to say the least. Hope the volunteers got it looking decent for the bands.
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Post by independentobserver on Oct 14, 2022 5:42:08 GMT -6
Does anyone know the time for the first performing finalist band? Last year the class A exhibition was at 7:30, with finalist 1 at 7:45. Will that be the same this year? The schedule on BOA's website says first performing finalist band is 7:00. Thanks for any info!
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Post by hewhowaits on Oct 14, 2022 6:19:15 GMT -6
Does anyone know the time for the first performing finalist band? Last year the class A exhibition was at 7:30, with finalist 1 at 7:45. Will that be the same this year? The schedule on BOA's website says first performing finalist band is 7:00. Thanks for any info! The schedule posted on MFA is the schedule that will be followed. Starting at 7:30 makes it a REALLY late night with 14 bands plus potential class exhibitions. Also a factor in pushing it earlier was that originally there was a college football game scheduled to be played in the facility on Sunday. That game has been moved to another location.
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Post by mbga on Oct 14, 2022 6:19:48 GMT -6
That was a very good show, but what about it was revolutionary? I may be wrong about this as I have probably seen less shows overall than most people on this forum, but from my experience watching pre-2018 and post-2018 shows, the way that BS 2018 approached visuals in general (more about flowing, quick moving forms with an emphasis on choreography and non-traditional movement) was definitely what propelled them to being placed over BA and Tarpon and all the other great bands that year. Since then, I have seen more bands adopt this style (my alma mater included), with Blue Springs itself obviously making a transition from pre-2018 where they very much just look like an Indiana band (in my interpretation) to doing more complex choreography and movement. Of course, it's hard to replicate BS 2018 just because of how well the forms integrated with the on-field pink tarps, but still I feel that influence is there and I can't really find shows pre-2018 that had visual programs like this. Of course, not every drill/choreo writer instantly adopted this style, but for me it's a kind of proof of concept. As much as I love the music of BS 2018, it wasn't anything crazy. The band was okay (on a Grand Nats scale). But it's my favorite show of all time just because of how beautiful a picture the visual program paints, and because that visual program propelled them to beat superbands. You can't really say that about many shows, so that's why I call it revolutionary. Essentially Blue Springs 2018 was a proof of concept for this visual style. And it's such an effective proof of concept in my opinion because they performed so well at Nats that year. They exceeded literally everyone's expectations, and I would wager that it's not because they had a super amazing musical program that year. So what does this show band directors and show designers? You can be a decent GN-finalist tier band with a pretty good musical program and if you create a show that is ridiculously visually stunning, you can beat superbands. If anything, regardless of the specifics of how Blue Springs 2018 was so visually unique, it ultimately shows that that is true. Or maybe I'm reading too far into high school marching band. Whatever, it's fun. I agree 100%. The show was revolutionary, especially if u consider that the band’s highest finish in the past was like 8th, and they finish 2nd in semis and 3rd in finals. Put it this way, how many of the superbands that year would have won the title with that show? Best show ever, and having that singer didnt hurt!
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Post by coleeich on Oct 14, 2022 6:28:06 GMT -6
It’s super regional season baby!! Maybe I’m the only one, but I woke up in a very good mood this morning. So excited!
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Post by philodemus on Oct 14, 2022 7:30:13 GMT -6
So, all the talk on this thread made me go back and rewatch Blue Springs 2018. I remembered liking it at the time--and I like it now!--but I didn't remember thinking it was particularly revolutionary at the time... and it doesn't seem particularly revolutionary now. All of the things we see in its visual design [free flowing 'drill' with greater emphasis on choreography and character expression] were being used by other top competitors at the time to one degree or another.
I wonder if what folks are picking up on is that they just did all those things so well. It makes you notice those design elements by how well-coordinated they were together, not necessarily by being completely unique.
It's like, you know, just really good.
Also, watching the bootleg YouTube video made me remember when FloMarching had the BOA contract and therefore reminded me that I could be watching the Super Regional today if [long string of deleted expletives] Box 5 didn't have it.
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