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Post by twhsalumniparent on Sept 17, 2022 20:45:49 GMT -6
Cabot was surprisingly clean but they weren't actually doing as much as bands like Ravenswood or Murray. Their trombone soloist had the most buttery, scrumdidliumptious tone I've ever heard. Is Murray pronounced "Murreeee" like the announcer say or is it pronounced is "MurrAY"? "Murreee" like the announcer.
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Post by ilikeguard on Sept 17, 2022 20:48:46 GMT -6
I’m literally obsessed with Cabot today
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Post by mikekyu on Sept 17, 2022 20:52:28 GMT -6
O'Fallon - That opening hit and movement all make for a wonderful introduction, especially with the flags blazing over the band! Nice balance after the sax trio. I love a band that isn't afraid to play AND move at the same time, especially when they are this well balanced. Great show!
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Post by Shroom on Sept 17, 2022 21:08:32 GMT -6
Bartlett's ensemble tone is absolutely insane on that opening hit. I can't imagine the difference between them and Cabot is too large, and I can definitely see them switching places in AAAA.
I'm too bias to comment on OFallon as an alumn lol
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Post by nomorehoney on Sept 17, 2022 21:08:36 GMT -6
I thought Bartlett was really good. Their ensemble moments sounded great
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Post by mk72 on Sept 17, 2022 21:20:40 GMT -6
O'Fallon was incredible tonight! I'm loving the direction they're going in, and this is the best they've sounded this early on in a while! The hornline is extremely refined for this part of the season, and they also move really well! I think they lack the sheer power in Castle's sound, but overall, they sounded cleaner than Castle through the livestream for me. This will be a tight race for the top!
Cabot, OMG!!! Such an incredibly fun show backed by a very clean set of students, definitely the most clean I've ever seen them. I had an absolute watching them and thoroughly enjoyed the design as well as their attention to detail. Good job!
Holy crap, Bartlett made me lose my mind. From competing in local comps to now, they have grown SO much. The hornline was on absolute fire tonight, most definitely one of the cleanest sounding bands tonight. I underestimated them, and they proved me wrong by A LOT. So so so excited to see these talented musicians and guard members progress throughout the season:))))
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Post by mk72 on Sept 17, 2022 21:25:03 GMT -6
I was sorely underestimating this comp, and I am MORE than happy to have been proven wrong tonight. All of the bands stepped their game up, and many fresh faces made their presence known on the field today. I was blown away by so many bands I didn't even think to keep an eye on. So so proud of all of the students today. And to think they're this good at the very beginning of the season...makes me giddy for the rest of the season!!!
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Post by Shroom on Sept 17, 2022 21:29:06 GMT -6
Anderson needs another tuba to combat their small-band-itis.
Their woodwinds sounded great though and they looked pretty clean for how complicated the drill was for a band of their size.
Honestly I was pretty shocked how great Clarksville turned out, since usually a middle of the country, early season regional like this one is kind of iffy.
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Post by philodemus on Sept 17, 2022 21:35:13 GMT -6
I think the wider BOA world wasn’t familiar with some of the great middle Tennessee programs that just haven’t headed to Grand Nats yet. Many of them were at Clarksville tonight… and were great!
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 17, 2022 22:00:39 GMT -6
FINALS RESULTS
1. 77.40 - O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 2. 77.30 - Castle H.S., IN 3. 75.10 - Bartlett H.S., TN 4. 74.70 - Anderson County H.S., KY 5. 74.25 - Cabot H.S., AR 6. 72.65 - DeSoto Central H.S., MS 7. 71.35 - Ravenwood H.S., TN 8. 69.10 - Mt. Juliet H.S., TN 9. 67.10 - Oakville H.S., MO 10. 67.00 - Murray H.S., KY 11. 64.50 - Paragould H.S., AR 12. 64.10 - Siegel H.S., TN
Outstanding Music Performance - O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Outstanding Visual Performance - Castle H.S., IN & O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Outstanding General Effect - Castle H.S., IN
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 17, 2022 22:03:52 GMT -6
By far the best Cabot I've ever seen and heard, the show is also super fun and fresh. I absolutely LOVED Cabot!
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Post by bigtrombone on Sept 17, 2022 22:04:47 GMT -6
Final Results:
1. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 77.40 2. Castle H.S., IN 77.30 3. Bartlett H.S., TN 75.10 4. Anderson County H.S., KY 74.70 5. Cabot H.S., AR 74.25 6. DeSoto Central H.S., MS 72.65 7. Ravenwood H.S., TN 71.35 8. Mt. Juliet H.S., TN 69.10 9. Oakville H.S., MO 67.10 10. Murray H.S., KY 67.00 11. Paragould H.S., AR 64.50 12. Siegel H.S., TN 64.10
Outstanding Music Performance: O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Outstanding Visual Performance: (tie) Castle H.S., IN & O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Outstanding General Effect: Castle H.S., IN
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 17, 2022 22:05:35 GMT -6
Final Results:1. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 77.40 2. Castle H.S., IN 77.30 3. Bartlett H.S., TN 75.10 4. Anderson County H.S., KY 74.70 5. Cabot H.S., AR 74.25 6. DeSoto Central H.S., MS 72.65 7. Ravenwood H.S., TN 71.35 8. Mt. Juliet H.S., TN 69.10 9. Oakville H.S., MO 67.10 10. Murray H.S., KY 67.00 11. Paragould H.S., AR 64.50 12. Siegel H.S., TN 64.10 Outstanding Music Performance: O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Outstanding Visual Performance: (tie) Castle H.S., IN & O'Fallon Township H.S., IL Outstanding General Effect: Castle H.S., IN STOP COPYING ME BRO 😉😂 (I’m kidding of course, I’ll leave you to tallying the rest of the regionals.)
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Post by ilikeguard on Sept 17, 2022 22:07:54 GMT -6
Wasn’t personally a fan of Castle this year but they deserved those captions. I’m looking forward to it coming together further along in the season.
Well deserved win out of O’Fallon and a very well earned bronze for Bartlett! This show was a really nice preview of some awesome Midwest bands.
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 18, 2022 3:31:16 GMT -6
I usually don’t take the first two or three weeks of the BOA season results too seriously because incomplete shows and such can sway scores and gaps in bizarre ways. However, OFallon beating Castle is pretty strong statement considering the videos I’ve seen of Castle are VERY strong.
The last time they beat them here was 2018 when they went on to make finals… although I absolutely did not like that show stylistically. Pls don’t come for me
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Post by boahistorybuff on Sept 18, 2022 4:32:03 GMT -6
Congratulations to O'Fallon Township HS IL. This is regional win number three for this band.
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Post by das88 on Sept 18, 2022 7:01:51 GMT -6
I have been a long time fan of Castle, but happen to have a friend from h.s. who has two kids in O'fallon's band. Sounds like O'Fallon is back this year with a really neat show. Honestly, not sure on predictions outside of Castle sweeping AAA and O'Fallon doing the same in AAAA. I was figuring it was going to be close. . What Castle added from last week is really cool! O'Fallon off to a great start. Really neat show. Really looking forward to see how both perform the rest of the season and if they are in the finals mix.
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Post by 8to5from9to5 on Sept 18, 2022 11:04:25 GMT -6
Those scores are close, maybe closer and a little more flip-flopped than I may have thought… I’m definitely not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it’s a bad look for BOA to have a coordinator (literally handing out the trophies at the awards ceremony) who works with another BIG Indiana band effectively help chose the judging panel with several other BIG Indiana band directors/staff who may or may not have an implicit bias against another Indiana band in this competition. Sure, none of their bands were in competition, but let’s not be naive in thinking that placements and scores don’t point the needle for other adjudication panels to reflect on in preparation for what kinds of decisions their peers made in previous competitions. I wish BOA would not allow judges who work with other bands in the region to also judge the competition from their own region regardless if their organization is in competition or not…or, if you judge and you are judging a competition with groups who will compete directly with yours at a future super regional or grand nationals. While, it’s “close” it would be difficult for that to sit right with me if I was involved with Castle. Not that O’Fallon wasn’t in the same ballpark, but I’d have many grains of salt if I were the Indiana band in this competition. I have been a long time fan of Castle, but happen to have a friend from h.s. who has two kids in O'fallon's band. Sounds like O'Fallon is back this year with a really neat show. Honestly, not sure on predictions outside of Castle sweeping AAA and O'Fallon doing the same in AAAA. I was figuring it was going to be close. . What Castle added from last week is really cool! O'Fallon off to a great start. Really neat show. Really looking forward to see how both perform the rest of the season and if they are in the finals mix.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 18, 2022 11:13:31 GMT -6
Those scores are close, maybe closer and a little more flip-flopped than I may have thought… I’m definitely not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it’s a bad look for BOA to have a coordinator (literally handing out the trophies at the awards ceremony) who works with another BIG Indiana band effectively help chose the judging panel with several other BIG Indiana band directors/staff who may or may not have an implicit bias against another Indiana band in this competition. Sure, none of their bands were in competition, but let’s not be naive in thinking that placements and scores don’t point the needle for other adjudication panels to reflect on in preparation for what kinds of decisions their peers made in previous competitions. I wish BOA would not allow judges who work with other bands in the region to also judge the competition from their own region regardless if their organization is in competition or not…or, if you judge and you are judging a competition with groups who will compete directly with yours at a future super regional or grand nationals. While, it’s “close” it would be difficult for that to sit right with me if I was involved with Castle. Not that O’Fallon wasn’t in the same ballpark, but I’d have many grains of salt if I were the Indiana band in this competition. I was figuring it was going to be close. . What Castle added from last week is really cool! O'Fallon off to a great start. Really neat show. Really looking forward to see how both perform the rest of the season and if they are in the finals mix. Let’s wait until recaps come out to see how adjudicators used their numbers before throwing out conspiracy theories and accusations. Just my two cents.
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Post by philodemus on Sept 18, 2022 11:38:12 GMT -6
Dude, the band universe is very small. Maybe in a perfect world no judge would ever have any connection to any program that competed against one of the group they were judging, but we literally don't have enough qualified people to even remotely make that work. I'd rather have highly qualified, tip top folks with a tangential connection to programs these groups are rooting against than have completely unbiased people who aren't qualified.
You know that old, '6 degrees of separation' idea? The band world is like, 3 degrees, tops.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 18, 2022 11:41:20 GMT -6
It can also be really easy to forget the old adage… “IT’S JUST BAND.”
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Post by Shroom on Sept 18, 2022 12:03:03 GMT -6
I assume he's talking about Cook/Young last night. Not really sure why anyone from Carmel would have any bias against Castle since both bands are several tiers removed from each other. The opposite case could be made based on the "evidence" you're pointing at, but nobody is going to do that because it's just silly.
Also, it should always be mentioned that these BOA judges aren't a bunch of 23 year olds who get all caught it up ridiculous crap that a lot of people do regarding scores, they're middle aged men and some of the top music educators in the nation, to think that they're going to do a worse job because they have a vague connection to the bands competing is extremely immature, especially considering that the links between the programs are tenuous at best.
The fact that the account was made 3 hours ago, that this is their first post and their writing style kind of just alludes to me that it's a high school sophomore or maybe a really pissed off Mom. Who knows though
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Post by 8to5from9to5 on Sept 18, 2022 12:18:07 GMT -6
I will take into account that middle-aged men can’t also be immature. Thanks for setting me straight. I had no other examples to base that on especially in the last 20 years so I was definitely just speculating. High school sophomore band mom who happens to also know who’s on staff at competing bands for decades signing off! I assume he's talking about Cook/Young last night. Not really sure why anyone from Carmel would have any bias against Castle since both bands are several tiers removed from each other. The opposite case could be made based on the "evidence" you're pointing at, but nobody is going to do that because it's just silly. Also, it should always be mentioned that these BOA judges aren't a bunch of 23 year olds who get all caught it up ridiculous crap that a lot of people do regarding scores, they're middle aged men and some of the top music educators in the nation, to think that they're going to do a worse job because they have a vague connection to the bands competing is extremely immature, especially considering that the links between the programs are tenuous at best. The fact that the account was made 3 hours ago, that this is their first post and their writing style kind of just alludes to me that it's a high school sophomore or maybe a really pissed off Mom. Who knows though
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Post by Shroom on Sept 18, 2022 12:29:05 GMT -6
I will take into account that middle-aged men can’t also be immature. Thanks for setting me straight. I had no other examples to base that on especially in the last 20 years so I was definitely just speculating. High school sophomore band mom signing off! I assume he's talking about Cook/Young last night. Not really sure why anyone from Carmel would have any bias against Castle since both bands are several tiers removed from each other. The opposite case could be made based on the "evidence" you're pointing at, but nobody is going to do that because it's just silly. Also, it should always be mentioned that these BOA judges aren't a bunch of 23 year olds who get all caught it up ridiculous crap that a lot of people do regarding scores, they're middle aged men and some of the top music educators in the nation, to think that they're going to do a worse job because they have a vague connection to the bands competing is extremely immature, especially considering that the links between the programs are tenuous at best. The fact that the account was made 3 hours ago, that this is their first post and their writing style kind of just alludes to me that it's a high school sophomore or maybe a really pissed off Mom. Who knows though Well no, you did not bring up any concrete examples outside of saying last night was one. Also, my point wasn't that "middle aged men can't be immature", my point was that these guys are removed from "score drama" and have been thoroughly vetted as the top music educators in the nation. The fact that they're not a bunch of kids is auxiliary to my case, not my case itself. Your original post affectively just said that there was judging bias in the most poorly worded and vague way possible, without really saying anything of any substance that everyone on this forum doesn't already know. You also chose to not respond to anything else I said, so great job at that bud, really showed me by not even forming a proper response like anyone above the age of 15 should be able to do.
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 18, 2022 12:37:58 GMT -6
I will take into account that middle-aged men can’t also be immature. Thanks for setting me straight. I had no other examples to base that on especially in the last 20 years so I was definitely just speculating. High school sophomore band mom who happens to also know who’s on staff at competing bands for decades signing off! I assume he's talking about Cook/Young last night. Not really sure why anyone from Carmel would have any bias against Castle since both bands are several tiers removed from each other. The opposite case could be made based on the "evidence" you're pointing at, but nobody is going to do that because it's just silly. Also, it should always be mentioned that these BOA judges aren't a bunch of 23 year olds who get all caught it up ridiculous crap that a lot of people do regarding scores, they're middle aged men and some of the top music educators in the nation, to think that they're going to do a worse job because they have a vague connection to the bands competing is extremely immature, especially considering that the links between the programs are tenuous at best. The fact that the account was made 3 hours ago, that this is their first post and their writing style kind of just alludes to me that it's a high school sophomore or maybe a really pissed off Mom. Who knows though We love, adore and appreciate band parents, but they don’t always have the clearest perception of the activity outside the lens of their own programs. Just something to add to your decades of wisdom.
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Post by Shroom on Sept 18, 2022 12:39:19 GMT -6
I will take into account that middle-aged men can’t also be immature. Thanks for setting me straight. I had no other examples to base that on especially in the last 20 years so I was definitely just speculating. High school sophomore band mom who happens to also know who’s on staff at competing bands for decades signing off! We love, adore and appreciate band parents, but they don’t always have the clearest perception of the activity outside the lens of their own programs. Just something to add to your decades of wisdom. faiiiirrrrr enoughhhh
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Post by 8to5from9to5 on Sept 18, 2022 12:52:40 GMT -6
The band universe is small? WEIRD… So you mean to tell me that these folks may in fact be former classmates, friends, marching members in college or DCI, colleagues, etc, get together at band competitions, state conferences/conventions, Midwest, etc. that’s crazy. That would be like they KNOW each other and might say “hey guy, wtf?” If something like that were to happen, I bet it might between peers of mutual experience and less likely between colleagues of different age groups and experiences. Again, I’m just saying the optics is off. Not that actual foul play was committed or intentional. I could also list off another few BOA judges I know personally who were available and could avoid this entire notion entirely and who also might be a part of this “small world” you’ve helped me see. So fascinating! Dude, the band universe is very small. Maybe in a perfect world no judge would ever have any connection to any program that competed against one of the group they were judging, but we literally don't have enough qualified people to even remotely make that work. I'd rather have highly qualified, tip top folks with a tangential connection to programs these groups are rooting against than have completely unbiased people who aren't qualified. You know that old, '6 degrees of separation' idea? The band world is like, 3 degrees, tops.
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Post by nomorehoney on Sept 18, 2022 13:05:08 GMT -6
Those scores are close, maybe closer and a little more flip-flopped than I may have thought… I’m definitely not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it’s a bad look for BOA to have a coordinator (literally handing out the trophies at the awards ceremony) who works with another BIG Indiana band effectively help chose the judging panel with several other BIG Indiana band directors/staff who may or may not have an implicit bias against another Indiana band in this competition. Sure, none of their bands were in competition, but let’s not be naive in thinking that placements and scores don’t point the needle for other adjudication panels to reflect on in preparation for what kinds of decisions their peers made in previous competitions. I wish BOA would not allow judges who work with other bands in the region to also judge the competition from their own region regardless if their organization is in competition or not…or, if you judge and you are judging a competition with groups who will compete directly with yours at a future super regional or grand nationals. While, it’s “close” it would be difficult for that to sit right with me if I was involved with Castle. Not that O’Fallon wasn’t in the same ballpark, but I’d have many grains of salt if I were the Indiana band in this competition. I was figuring it was going to be close. . What Castle added from last week is really cool! O'Fallon off to a great start. Really neat show. Really looking forward to see how both perform the rest of the season and if they are in the finals mix. 🧐
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 18, 2022 13:34:36 GMT -6
Wasn’t personally a fan of Castle this year but they deserved those captions. I’m looking forward to it coming together further along in the season. Well deserved win out of O’Fallon and a very well earned bronze for Bartlett! This show was a really nice preview of some awesome Midwest bands. Bartlett is a Memphis suburb and my hometown. My parents still live there. ♥️ They were fantastic yesterday!
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Post by Allohak on Sept 18, 2022 13:41:16 GMT -6
if I was involved with Castle...if I were the Indiana band in this competition Mhmm "if" 🙄
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