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Post by thewho on Sept 18, 2022 13:41:42 GMT -6
if I was involved with Castle...if I were the Indiana band in this competition Mhmm "if" 🙄 I want justice for Evansville Central!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 18, 2022 13:44:24 GMT -6
The band universe is small? WEIRD… So you mean to tell me that these folks may in fact be former classmates, friends, marching members in college or DCI, colleagues, etc, get together at band competitions, state conferences/conventions, Midwest, etc. that’s crazy. That would be like they KNOW each other and might say “hey guy, wtf?” If something like that were to happen, I bet it might between peers of mutual experience and less likely between colleagues of different age groups and experiences. Again, I’m just saying the optics is off. Not that actual foul play was committed or intentional. I could also list off another few BOA judges I know personally who were available and could avoid this entire notion entirely and who also might be a part of this “small world” you’ve helped me see. So fascinating! Dude, the band universe is very small. Maybe in a perfect world no judge would ever have any connection to any program that competed against one of the group they were judging, but we literally don't have enough qualified people to even remotely make that work. I'd rather have highly qualified, tip top folks with a tangential connection to programs these groups are rooting against than have completely unbiased people who aren't qualified. You know that old, '6 degrees of separation' idea? The band world is like, 3 degrees, tops. I would love to see you chill a bit and then come back and let’s have a less heated conversation about this. The fact that you made an account just a little bit ago and immediately began ranting tells me that you are really upset about this. That’s fine, and even understandable, but I would just ask that we back it down a notch and try again. (From an old band mom. 🥰)
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Post by Allohak on Sept 18, 2022 13:45:42 GMT -6
The band universe is small? WEIRD… So you mean to tell me that these folks may in fact be former classmates, friends, marching members in college or DCI, colleagues, etc, get together at band competitions, state conferences/conventions, Midwest, etc. that’s crazy. That would be like they KNOW each other and might say “hey guy, wtf?” If something like that were to happen, I bet it might between peers of mutual experience and less likely between colleagues of different age groups and experiences. Again, I’m just saying the optics is off. Not that actual foul play was committed or intentional. I could also list off another few BOA judges I know personally who were available and could avoid this entire notion entirely and who also might be a part of this “small world” you’ve helped me see. So fascinating! Dude, the band universe is very small. Maybe in a perfect world no judge would ever have any connection to any program that competed against one of the group they were judging, but we literally don't have enough qualified people to even remotely make that work. I'd rather have highly qualified, tip top folks with a tangential connection to programs these groups are rooting against than have completely unbiased people who aren't qualified. You know that old, '6 degrees of separation' idea? The band world is like, 3 degrees, tops. By the way, the "personal website" you linked to your account and titled "How to band correctly" isn't even the current BOA Adjudication Handbook.
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Post by Allohak on Sept 18, 2022 14:04:59 GMT -6
High school sophomore band mom who happens to also know who’s on staff at competing bands for decades signing off! This is funny, considering who you actually are 🤣
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Post by madhatter on Sept 18, 2022 17:13:40 GMT -6
I am quite proud how Castle parents, Boosters and Band members respect and support all programs everywhere they go. Which suggests to me these crazy posts are from someone who either isnt connected to the program as they claim to be (hopefully), or isnt involved enough to know how to conduct herself. I'll give you a better take away from last night's Clarksville Regional: after awards, O'Fallon was walking back to their buses through the Castle area in the parking lot, and the Castle students erupted in spontaneous cheering and applause for their O'Fallon counterparts. I know most folks on these Forums would agree that more accurately reflects on a program than ill-chosen words in a rogue post.
Congrats to all the Clarksville Finalists--it was an evening full of awesome performances!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 18, 2022 18:50:06 GMT -6
I am quite proud how Castle parents, Boosters and Band members respect and support all programs everywhere they go. Which suggests to me these crazy posts are from someone who either isnt connected to the program as they claim to be (hopefully), or isnt involved enough to know how to conduct herself. I'll give you a better take away from last night's Clarksville Regional: after awards, O'Fallon was walking back to their buses through the Castle area in the parking lot, and the Castle students erupted in spontaneous cheering and applause for their O'Fallon counterparts. I know most folks on these Forums would agree that more accurately reflects on a program than ill-chosen words in a rogue post. Congrats to all the Clarksville Finalists--it was an evening full of awesome performances! Definitely not connected to the Castle program, rest assured!
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Post by yayband914 on Sept 18, 2022 20:03:06 GMT -6
Castle was first in prelims, so whatever argument so and so was trying to make earlier is invalid any way you spin it. Glad that’s put to rest.
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Post by srv1084 on Sept 18, 2022 20:36:32 GMT -6
Castle was first in prelims, so whatever argument so and so was trying to make earlier is invalid any way you spin it. Glad that’s put to rest. Their lowest ordinal in finals, 3rd in Ind Music, was also given by someone not connected with Indiana. He is a Texas-based educator. Then again, he did teach at Carolina Crown for a while, and Matt Harloff is at Carolina Crown, but also at Avon. Did I find it? Did I find the connection?
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 18, 2022 20:53:40 GMT -6
The innuendos are off the charts on this thread!
🤷♂️ We also had this topic about BD judging w summer band. Judges are very qualified ya’ll!
Anyway OFallon scoring so close to Castle right now may not mean much in 5 weeks time… time will tell. The season is still very young!
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Post by josephbandfan on Sept 18, 2022 21:00:05 GMT -6
High school sophomore band mom who happens to also know who’s on staff at competing bands for decades signing off! This is funny, considering who you actually are 🤣 I need to knowww. Is it LeanderMomma's secret account 😭 ?!
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Post by josephbandfan on Sept 18, 2022 21:00:48 GMT -6
I've just been waiting to see a vid of Cabot. I want to see tentacles.
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Post by ilikeguard on Sept 18, 2022 21:01:29 GMT -6
I am quite proud how Castle parents, Boosters and Band members respect and support all programs everywhere they go. Which suggests to me these crazy posts are from someone who either isnt connected to the program as they claim to be (hopefully), or isnt involved enough to know how to conduct herself. I'll give you a better take away from last night's Clarksville Regional: after awards, O'Fallon was walking back to their buses through the Castle area in the parking lot, and the Castle students erupted in spontaneous cheering and applause for their O'Fallon counterparts. I know most folks on these Forums would agree that more accurately reflects on a program than ill-chosen words in a rogue post. Congrats to all the Clarksville Finalists--it was an evening full of awesome performances! tbh i haven’t had the best experiences with castle and their parents , just like yesterday i saw a lot of parents cheer for every band except o’fallon, but they have a nice show There are parents from every activity under the sun that have bad attitudes. Living vicariously through your children does things to the mind. I can guarantee you that however bad band parents can get, there are some other high school activities we can name that get way worse 😂 I’m sorry to hear about your experience. I’ll guarantee you right now that it doesn’t even represent a fraction of the whole. There will always be rude band parents, but the overwhelming majority of them are just there to cheer on their kid. O’Fallon went on late- I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them were just tired.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 19, 2022 6:07:28 GMT -6
High school sophomore band mom who happens to also know who’s on staff at competing bands for decades signing off! This is funny, considering who you actually are 🤣 Pretty sure humor is what 8to5from9to5 was going for there.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 19, 2022 6:09:05 GMT -6
This is funny, considering who you actually are 🤣 I need to knowww. Is it LeanderMomma's secret account 😭 ?! LeanderMomma has no secrets here. She is an open dot book.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 19, 2022 6:34:43 GMT -6
This is funny, considering who you actually are 🤣 I need to knowww. Is it LeanderMomma's secret account 😭 ?! Haha, no, I definitely don’t have a secret account. (What an interesting idea tho! 🤔😉)
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 19, 2022 6:36:28 GMT -6
I've just been waiting to see a vid of Cabot. I want to see tentacles. Oh my word, that was one of the coolest and most entertaining shows I’ve ever seen! Too bad they aren’t doing any more BOAs this fall!!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 19, 2022 6:37:51 GMT -6
I need to knowww. Is it LeanderMomma's secret account 😭 ?! LeanderMomma has no secrets here. She is an open dot book. Just call me Dot!
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Post by paddy on Sept 19, 2022 7:26:23 GMT -6
Also, it should always be mentioned that these BOA judges aren't a bunch of 23 year olds who get all caught it up ridiculous crap that a lot of people do regarding scores, they're middle aged men and some of the top music educators in the nation, to think that they're going to do a worse job because they have a vague connection to the bands competing is extremely immature, especially considering that the links between the programs are tenuous at best. On the whole, I will agree, but to say that middle aged men don't get caught up in the drama is naïve. I won't, but can document, some very weird scores in ISSMA and BOA that do make you wonder. And there are some incredibly immature middle aged folks involved in this activity.
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Post by Shroom on Sept 19, 2022 8:45:17 GMT -6
Also, it should always be mentioned that these BOA judges aren't a bunch of 23 year olds who get all caught it up ridiculous crap that a lot of people do regarding scores, they're middle aged men and some of the top music educators in the nation, to think that they're going to do a worse job because they have a vague connection to the bands competing is extremely immature, especially considering that the links between the programs are tenuous at best. On the whole, I will agree, but to say that middle aged men don't get caught up in the drama is naïve. I won't, but can document, some very weird scores in ISSMA and BOA that do make you wonder. And there are some incredibly immature middle aged folks involved in this activity. Fair enough and I don't doubt that tbh. It's easier to claim an absolute rather than cede ground, especially when the ground was as absurd as his which I probably should have seen
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Post by paddy on Sept 19, 2022 9:09:32 GMT -6
On the whole, I will agree, but to say that middle aged men don't get caught up in the drama is naïve. I won't, but can document, some very weird scores in ISSMA and BOA that do make you wonder. And there are some incredibly immature middle aged folks involved in this activity. Fair enough and I don't doubt that tbh. It's easier to claim an absolute rather than cede ground, especially when the ground was as absurd as his which I probably should have seen Yes, it was an absurd string of messages/thought. Sounds like the poster in question might be a little less honest/forthcoming than they should be...
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Post by scbandfan on Sept 19, 2022 12:52:33 GMT -6
Band Parents need to understand that just like any activity where there are panels of HUMAN judges and subjective areas to be scored, that the judges carry there own sets of likes, dislikes, and in some cases bias. It goes hand in hand with the activity. Some judges are harder on established band programs because the expectation is so high. Whereas as other judges are easier on these same bands because of giving benefit of doubt.
Can something more nefarious be in the works? Certainly but highly unlikely because as mentioned, its a small community and obvious bias over a period of time would led to a loss of reputation and standing within the community that would prevent them from judging in the future
And not to minimize this Regional, but its not grand nationals and for a judge to have motive to sabotage a band in an early season Regional is quite absurd.
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Post by paddy on Sept 19, 2022 14:18:36 GMT -6
Before we demean band parents much more, there are people who aren't band parents and aren't connected to a band that, at times, lack an objective and unbiased view of certain programs.
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 19, 2022 14:22:38 GMT -6
Before we demean band parents much more, there are people who aren't band parents and aren't connected to a band that, at times, lack an objective and unbiased view of certain programs. Lol, I think we’ve beat this horse enough
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Post by principalagent on Sept 19, 2022 16:03:34 GMT -6
Before we demean band parents much more, there are people who aren't band parents and aren't connected to a band that, at times, lack an objective and unbiased view of certain programs. Lol, I think we’ve beat this horse enough You’re in fact correct! It is officially Tuesday where I am in the world, and it is time to move on to next week and move away from this thread.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 19, 2022 18:34:17 GMT -6
Lol, I think we’ve beat this horse enough You’re in fact correct! It is officially Tuesday where I am in the world, and it is time to move on to next week and move away from this thread. Where are you?!
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