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Post by yayband914 on Mar 3, 2022 18:25:49 GMT -6
Updated BOA classification numbers are in!
Class A: less than 600 students (Grades 10-12)
Class AA: 601-1325
Class AAA: 1326-1850
Class AAAA: 1851 or more
Class AA was originally 601-1250, and Class AAA was originally 1251-1750.
So, I went ahead and figured out which bands would be reclassified. Since the most updated data currently is from the 2020-2021 school year, rather than using the enrollment data from Grades 10-12, I sampled from Grades 9-11 instead since it is a year behind.
These numbers most likely won't end up being 100% accurate come September, and probably aren't that accurate even now. 2021-2022 numbers are due out at any time now, but I personally am going to wait until CompetitionSuite updates classifications in their database as we approach September to update classes on here, as that will be the most accurate data.
I did the best I could to sample from every confirmed or rumored Bands of America attendee from the last four years.
Next to the name of each school is the total enrollment from Grades 9-11 from the 2020-2021 school year, with a + or - indicating where they fall in relation to the thresholds separating each class.
Groups with an asterisk * next to their name indicates that they are less or more than 20 students away from a class threshold, and therefore really could go either way.
Groups with a plus sign + next to their name indicates that they may have been incorrectly classed for a number of years, as their enrollment data seems to indicate, and so should theoretically be in the respective classes that they are listed in below.
All data is according to the National Center for Education Statistics.
A —> AA
Bourbon County H.S., KY (649; +49)
*Collinsville H.S., OK (611; +11)
*Norton H.S., OH (603; +3)
AAA —> AA
*Braden River H.S., FL (1,340; +15)
Cedar Rapids Prairie H.S., IA (~1,262; -64)
*Churchill Fulshear H.S., TX (1,321; -5)
Eldorado H.S., NM (1,299; -27)
*Francis Howell Central H.S., MO (1,314; -12)
Franklin H.S., TN (1,301; -25)
Ironwood Ridge H.S., AZ (1,225; -101)
John Champe H.S., VA (1,257; -69)
John F. Kennedy H.S., IA (1,248; -78)
*Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA (1,338; +13)
*Lafayette H.S., MO (1,307; -19)
Lancaster H.S., NY (1,268; -58)
Lebanon H.S., OH (1,208; -118)
*Nation Ford H.S., SC (1,318; -8)
Oakville H.S., MO (1,261; -65)
*Ozark H.S., MO (1,309; -17)
Pickerington North H.S., OH (1,168; -158)
*Seminole H.S., FL (1,311; -15)
West Salem H.S., OR (1,299; -27)
AA —> AAA
*Easley H.S., SC (1,318; -8)
Green Level H.S., NC (1,383; +58)
*Hilliard Bradley H.S., OH (1,329; +4)
*Ola H.S., GA (1,330; +5)
Organ Mountain H.S., NM (1,402; +77)
*Randall H.S., TX (1,334; +9)
Timberland H.S., MO (1,381; +56)
Wentzville Holt H.S., MO (1,524; +199)
AAAA —> AAA
Anderson H.S., TX (1,725; -126)
*Belleville East H.S., IL (1,862; +12)
*Clear Brook H.S., TX (1,860; +10)
Cooper City H.S., FL (1,738; -113)
*Cypress Springs H.S., TX (1,863; +13)
Forest Hills Schools, OH (1,742; -109)
Green Hope H.S., NC (1,610; -241)
*Homer Hanna H.S., TX (1,842; -9)
Keller Fossil Ridge H.S., TX (1,817; -34)
*Lakota East H.S., OH (1,870; +20)
Lakewood Ranch H.S., FL (1,805; -46)
M.G. Johnson H.S., TX (1,807; -44)
Marquette H.S., MO (1,757; -94)
+Mountain Pointe H.S., AZ (1,460; -391)
+Mountain View H.S., AZ (1,415); -436)
North Mesquite H.S., TX (1,778; -73)
Panther Creek H.S., NC (1,685; -166)
Rockford H.S., MI (~1,823; -28)
+Rock Hill H.S., TX (1,653; -198)
*Sparkman H.S., AL (~1,830; -20)
AAA —> AAAA
*Blue Springs H.S., MO (1,868; +18)
Brazoswood H.S., TX (1,934; +84)
Rosemount H.S., MN (1,934; +84)
V. Sue Cleveland H.S., NM (1,988; +138)
NOTABLE CHANGES
*Blue Springs H.S., MO (AAAA)
Bourbon County H.S., KY (AA)
Franklin H.S., TN (AA)
Green Hope H.S., NC (AAA)
Green Level H.S., NC (AAA)
*Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA (AA)
*Lakota East H.S., OH (AAA)
M.G. Johnson H.S., TX (AAA)
Organ Mountain H.S., NM (AAA)
Panther Creek H.S., NC (AAA)
Pickerington North H.S., OH (AA)
Rockford H.S., MI (AAA)
Rosemount H.S., MN (AAAA)
West Salem H.S., OR (AA)
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Post by neop on Mar 4, 2022 11:04:29 GMT -6
Norton H.S., OH could also be moving to AA based on NCES data.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Mar 4, 2022 20:31:20 GMT -6
Personally I'm not a fan of this change. I get the need to make AAA a bit more competitive but bands from smaller AA schools are really gonna get shafted by the shift of the AA/AAA threshold higher. Schools just above the A/AA threshold will be competing in the same class as bands from schools practically twice their size.
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 4, 2022 22:49:46 GMT -6
Personally I'm not a fan of this change. I get the need to make AAA a bit more competitive but bands from smaller AA schools are really gonna get shafted by the shift of the AA/AAA threshold higher. Schools just above the A/AA threshold will be competing in the same class as bands from schools practically twice their size. The same problem would happen to Class A if they bumped it up to say, less than 650 or 700, so that the smaller AA bands would drop to A. It wouldn't take much of a change for massive and/or established AA bands like Greendale, Anderson County, Russell County and Marian Catholic to drop down to Class A and potentially cause the same "issues" as you presented. |
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Post by srv1084 on Mar 5, 2022 1:01:45 GMT -6
Personally I'm not a fan of this change. I get the need to make AAA a bit more competitive but bands from smaller AA schools are really gonna get shafted by the shift of the AA/AAA threshold higher. Schools just above the A/AA threshold will be competing in the same class as bands from schools practically twice their size. I personally wish they would increase Class A for this reason. My logic is, how many bands with less than, let's say, ~400 students 10-12 are competing in BOA (I'm genuinely curious about this stat)? With that benchmark in mind, that's a range of 250 in class A at the current 650 max vs a range of 700 in Class AA when comparing 650-1350. If those bands with 650-700 in 10-12 are competing with schools twice their size, why not also increase A proportionally with the AA increase and simply shift every class up? Is a 750-800 threshold for Class A going to present that much of a competitive difference compared to schools with 650 competing against 1350? I'm curious if anybody has the stats on school size for Class A bands that compete in BOA. Edit: Because I was curious, here are last year's GN attendees grades 9-12. Found these details to the best of my abilities and fully realize there are going to be errors or incorrect information here. Making assumptions of 10-12 accounting for 75% of the enrollment figures (again, understanding this is not a good indicator - just using for basis of estimates), it does stand to reason that the majority of Class A schools have ~400+ in grades 10-12, though I suppose when comparing to the upper end you're still running into the "nearly double the size" issue you see in Class A. Murray's size is the biggest surprise to me given their competitive success. 816 Bourbon County 802 Norton 797 Collinsville 772 John Hardin 755 Tippecanoe 735 Carroll 730 Beechwood 707 Signal Mountain 690 Russell Independent 667 Estill County 649 Indian Hill 632 Archbishop Alter 607 University 604 Warren Local 555 Logan Elm 554 Bishop Fenwick 548 St. Clairsville 543 Owen County 522 Clinton-Massie 519 Monrovia 484 Murray 477 Hollister 466 Carlisle 461 Pinecrest Academy of Las Vegas Cadence 429 Milton-Union 394 Greenon 381 East Clinton 245 Mark Twain Christian Academy of Louisville - tough to say as it appears it is a combination of multiple campuses serving K-12 |
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 5, 2022 6:09:46 GMT -6
All of the discussion is around the "fairness" of bands competing with those from schools with such disparity in size. The same concern could be raised about the equity of a "small" AAAA school being required to face Carmel and its 4000+ student population.
Class sizes are set in an attempt to make the number of participating bands (across all BOA events) fairly even across the classes. We know well that AAA always looks underrepresented at Grand Nationals but overall the numbers are fairly well split. Over a three year period, as school populations change so does the distribution of class assignments. MFA uses the data from recent years to reset attendance numbers in a way that re-levels the expected numbers of bands per class.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Mar 5, 2022 7:46:35 GMT -6
All of the discussion is around the "fairness" of bands competing with those from schools with such disparity in size. The same concern could be raised about the equity of a "small" AAAA school being required to face Carmel and its 4000+ student population. Perhaps another good reason to add a AAAAA class. Say 2400+. |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 5, 2022 7:55:39 GMT -6
All of the discussion is around the "fairness" of bands competing with those from schools with such disparity in size. The same concern could be raised about the equity of a "small" AAAA school being required to face Carmel and its 4000+ student population. Perhaps another good reason to add a AAAAA class. Say 2400+. I agree. Although they would have to streamline the class champion award ceremony; they are already too long with the four classes. |
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Post by trumpet300 on Mar 5, 2022 23:33:08 GMT -6
As the activity grows, the classification system has to as well. There are so many bands now with enormous school populations that there really is a need for a 5A class. 4A is jam packed with groups and a lot of amazing ones at that, but if you are even a semi smaller 4A band, you are at a significant disadvantage. I sometimes wonder if band size would work better for BOA...in my mind, that is at least pitting groups of similar size against one another and would eliminate the outliers in each class like Tarpon being in 2A. I know that there are drawbacks from both ways of doing things but I think another class added to the top would do a lot of good and would take the enormous school and pit them against one another which would allow "smaller" 4A schools have a shot.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 6, 2022 7:43:08 GMT -6
As the activity grows, the classification system has to as well. There are so many bands now with enormous school populations that there really is a need for a 5A class. 4A is jam packed with groups and a lot of amazing ones at that, but if you are even a semi smaller 4A band, you are at a significant disadvantage. I sometimes wonder if band size would work better for BOA...in my mind, that is at least pitting groups of similar size against one another and would eliminate the outliers in each class like Tarpon being in 2A. I know that there are drawbacks from both ways of doing things but I think another class added to the top would do a lot of good and would take the enormous school and pit them against one another which would allow "smaller" 4A schools have a shot. Over the years, other circuits that have tried that have found it to be not very popular. A large school can feasibly field say a 180 member band through try outs (ie select their best students), while a smaller school who allows/encourages all the students to participate could also field a 180 member band. That still puts the larger school at an advantage. I agree there should be a Class 5A for these ever growing large suburban high schools (I think many growing communities find it easier/more cost effective to either add on to their existing high school or build a very large one rather than have two separate high schools) and for the growing popularity of two or more high schools in the same district to fielding one band. Perhaps given the circumstances, Tarpon Springs should be allowed/encouraged to compete in Class AAA. |
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Post by supersound on Mar 6, 2022 16:37:14 GMT -6
As the activity grows, the classification system has to as well. There are so many bands now with enormous school populations that there really is a need for a 5A class. 4A is jam packed with groups and a lot of amazing ones at that, but if you are even a semi smaller 4A band, you are at a significant disadvantage. I sometimes wonder if band size would work better for BOA...in my mind, that is at least pitting groups of similar size against one another and would eliminate the outliers in each class like Tarpon being in 2A. I know that there are drawbacks from both ways of doing things but I think another class added to the top would do a lot of good and would take the enormous school and pit them against one another which would allow "smaller" 4A schools have a shot. Over the years, other circuits that have tried that have found it to be not very popular. A large school can feasibly field say a 180 member band through try outs (ie select their best students), while a smaller school who allows/encourages all the students to participate could also field a 180 member band. That still puts the larger school at an advantage. I agree there should be a Class 5A for these ever growing large suburban high schools (I think many growing communities find it easier/more cost effective to either add on to their existing high school or build a very large one rather than have two separate high schools) and for the growing popularity of two or more high schools in the same district to fielding one band. Perhaps given the circumstances, Tarpon Springs should be allowed/encouraged to compete in Class AAA. Does BOA allow Class-Ups like UIL does? I know UIL allows it for football and some sports, though not for marching band. |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 6, 2022 19:07:06 GMT -6
Interesting question. I dont know but I am sure someone on here does.
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Post by principalagent on Mar 6, 2022 20:38:46 GMT -6
UIL’s class up is for the entire school in all UIL activities. BOA doesn’t offer it—or at least hasn’t in ages.
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Post by paddy on Mar 7, 2022 7:43:17 GMT -6
FYI - Carmel is about 5400 kids this year.
If you look at band size, I think you would have to use a sliding scale of both band size and school size to avoid large schools from creating a audition only band to fit into a smaller class. A number of large schools could easily create an amazing band of 150 and roll out another darn good band of 75.
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 7, 2022 9:10:51 GMT -6
FYI - Carmel is about 5400 kids this year. If you look at band size, I think you would have to use a sliding scale of both band size and school size to avoid large schools from creating a audition only band to fit into a smaller class. A number of large schools could easily create an amazing band of 150 and roll out another darn good band of 75. I've previously given some thought to how a hybrid system might work. Elements would include school size, band size, and competitive success (like they use in sports everywhere in the world except the US - you do well, you move up - you do poorly, you move down). School size - 1 to 5 points using a system similar to what we now have for BOA Band size - 1 to 5 points using a system similar to what is used in MSBA (number of musicians, but on a national scale the cutoffs would change from MSBA counts) - perhaps the number for band size would include guard. Competitive success - 1 to 5 points based on a defined time period where the top numbers would be assigned to GN finalists, SR medalists, and Regional Champions and the lowest values to those bands who regularly participate without any accolades. A default value would need to be established for new BOA participants or a formula established based on results in other circuits. Classes are defined by ranges of "scores" such as A = 3 to 5, AA = 6 to 8, AAA = 9 to 11, AAAA = 12 to 15 I see two possibilities for how this could be applied. 1) Your class is defined for the season based on reported school and band size OR 2) Each competition has classes defined based on the scores of those participating. The top 25% of scores are AAAA for THAT show on down to the bottom 25% are A. This would level the playing field based on who is attending the event and eliminate those events where the Class A champion defaults to the only Class A band in attendance - Texas Regionals, for example, would have 7 or 8 bands per class. We would also no longer have situations at Grand Nationals where there are 30 bands each in A and AA but only 13 in AAA. |
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Post by philodemus on Mar 8, 2022 12:39:59 GMT -6
On the subject of classification systems, and the possibility of hybridizing 'school size' and 'band size' models, perhaps our experiences in Kentucky could be instructive.
We began in the 1980s with a straight band size model, which developed precisely the issues you would imagine: huge numbers of class 1A class bands [the smallest groups] and very few in 4A, and large numbers of bands whose numbers sat precisely at the highest allowed in their class [exactly 60, not 61, for example]. Everyone denied cutting students to stay in a class, but it seems statistically certain that they were.
In 2005, we switched to equalized school size classes: take every registered school in the state and order them from smallest to largest, then divide into 5 even classifications. This helped the original problems [many groups that had previously been stuck at 60 or 80 playing members magically began to grow] but created some of the same problems being discussed on this thread. There was a huge size disparity between the largest class 5A groups and the smallest 5A groups, and an even greater disparity in resources. Many of the smaller 5A schools began to stop competing altogether out of frustration.
We have just in the last year adopted a hybridized system: schools are ranked by school size from largest to smallest and divided into 5 even groups, giving a score of 1-5. Then, they are ranked by band size from smallest to largest, giving another score of 1-5. The scores as combined and '10's go in Class 5A, 2s go in Class 1A, etc. To give some examples for those only family with our BOA participants, North Hardin is 5A, Beechwood [tiny school, bigger band] is 2A, Murray [tiny school, really big band] is 3A, and Anderson County is 4A. No one in our Class 1A [tiny schools, tiny bands] participates at the national level.
This was a hugely controversial move, as you can imagine, but after one year... it seems to work okay? Many of us who were skeptical going in left the State Championships cautiously optimistic. The biggest problem going forward is that the classes, as you can probably imagine, are not at all evenly distributed. It's pretty easy to leave Class 5A, really hard to enter it, in fact impossible without your school itself growing considerably.
Could BOA use something like this? Maybe, though it seems to me the top class would be phenomenally difficult to compete in, essentially only available to a handful of schools in two states.
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 8, 2022 13:08:28 GMT -6
On the subject of classification systems, and the possibility of hybridizing 'school size' and 'band size' models, perhaps our experiences in Kentucky could be instructive. We began in the 1980s with a straight band size model, which developed precisely the issues you would imagine: huge numbers of class 1A class bands [the smallest groups] and very few in 4A, and large numbers of bands whose numbers sat precisely at the highest allowed in their class [exactly 60, not 61, for example]. Everyone denied cutting students to stay in a class, but it seems statistically certain that they were. In 2005, we switched to equalized school size classes: take every registered school in the state and order them from smallest to largest, then divide into 5 even classifications. This helped the original problems [many groups that had previously been stuck at 60 or 80 playing members magically began to grow] but created some of the same problems being discussed on this thread. There was a huge size disparity between the largest class 5A groups and the smallest 5A groups, and an even greater disparity in resources. Many of the smaller 5A schools began to stop competing altogether out of frustration. We have just in the last year adopted a hybridized system: schools are ranked by school size from largest to smallest and divided into 5 even groups, giving a score of 1-5. Then, they are ranked by band size from smallest to largest, giving another score of 1-5. The scores as combined and '10's go in Class 5A, 2s go in Class 1A, etc. To give some examples for those only family with our BOA participants, North Hardin is 5A, Beechwood [tiny school, bigger band] is 2A, Murray [tiny school, really big band] is 3A, and Anderson County is 4A. No one in our Class 1A [tiny schools, tiny bands] participates at the national level.
This was a hugely controversial move, as you can imagine, but after one year... it seems to work okay? Many of us who were skeptical going in left the State Championships cautiously optimistic. The biggest problem going forward is that the classes, as you can probably imagine, are not at all evenly distributed. It's pretty easy to leave Class 5A, really hard to enter it, in fact impossible without your school itself growing considerably.
Could BOA use something like this? Maybe, though it seems to me the top class would be phenomenally difficult to compete in, essentially only available to a handful of schools in two states.You were speaking. And then… you were screaming. 😂 |
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Post by philodemus on Mar 8, 2022 13:33:35 GMT -6
Ha! Didn't mean to scream... just... observing...
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 8, 2022 13:49:10 GMT -6
Ha! Didn't mean to scream... just... observing... Haha, well now I feel silly. Your post looks normal on my desktop, but on my phone it looks like this! 😂  |
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Post by philodemus on Mar 8, 2022 14:15:30 GMT -6
Ooooh... Fixed!
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 9, 2022 18:48:23 GMT -6
Updated BOA classification numbers are in!Class A: less than 600 students (Grades 10-12) Class AA: 601-1325 Class AAA: 1326-1850 Class AAAA: 1851 or more Class AA was originally 601-1250, and Class AAA was originally 1251-1750. So, I went ahead and figured out which bands would be reclassified. Since the most updated data currently is from the 2020-2021 school year, rather than using the enrollment data from Grades 10-12, I sampled from Grades 9-11 instead since it is a year behind. These numbers most likely won't end up being 100% accurate come September, and probably aren't that accurate even now. 2021-2022 numbers are due out at any time now, but I personally am going to wait until CompetitionSuite updates classifications in their database as we approach September to update classes on here, as that will be the most accurate data. I did the best I could to sample from every confirmed or rumored Bands of America attendee from the last four years. Next to the name of each school is the total enrollment from Grades 9-11 from the 2020-2021 school year, with a + or - indicating where they fall in relation to the thresholds separating each class. Groups with an asterisk * next to their name indicates that they are less or more than 20 students away from a class threshold, and therefore really could go either way. Groups with a plus sign + next to their name indicates that they may have been incorrectly classed for a number of years, as their enrollment data seems to indicate, and so should theoretically be in the respective classes that they are listed in below. All data is according to the National Center for Education Statistics. A —> AABourbon County H.S., KY (649; +49) *Collinsville H.S., OK (611; +11) *Norton H.S., OH (603; +3)
AAA —> AA*Braden River H.S., FL (1,340; +15) Cedar Rapids Prairie H.S., IA (~1,262; -64) *Churchill Fulshear H.S., TX (1,321; -5) Eldorado H.S., NM (1,299; -27) *Francis Howell Central H.S., MO (1,314; -12) Franklin H.S., TN (1,301; -25) Ironwood Ridge H.S., AZ (1,225; -101) John Champe H.S., VA (1,257; -69) John F. Kennedy H.S., IA (1,248; -78) *Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA (1,338; +13) *Lafayette H.S., MO (1,307; -19) Lancaster H.S., NY (1,268; -58) Lebanon H.S., OH (1,208; -118) *Nation Ford H.S., SC (1,318; -8) Oakville H.S., MO (1,261; -65) *Ozark H.S., MO (1,309; -17) Pickerington North H.S., OH (1,168; -158) *Seminole H.S., FL (1,311; -15) West Salem H.S., OR (1,299; -27) AA —> AAA*Easley H.S., SC (1,318; -8) Green Level H.S., NC (1,383; +58) *Hilliard Bradley H.S., OH (1,329; +4) *Ola H.S., GA (1,330; +5) Organ Mountain H.S., NM (1,402; +77) *Randall H.S., TX (1,334; +9) Timberland H.S., MO (1,381; +56) Wentzville Holt H.S., MO (1,524; +199) AAAA —> AAAAnderson H.S., TX (1,725; -126) *Belleville East H.S., IL (1,862; +12) *Clear Brook H.S., TX (1,860; +10) Cooper City H.S., FL (1,738; -113) *Cypress Springs H.S., TX (1,863; +13) Forest Hills Schools, OH (1,742; -109) Green Hope H.S., NC (1,610; -241) *Homer Hanna H.S., TX (1,842; -9) Keller Fossil Ridge H.S., TX (1,817; -34) *Lakota East H.S., OH (1,870; +20) Lakewood Ranch H.S., FL (1,805; -46) M.G. Johnson H.S., TX (1,807; -44) Marquette H.S., MO (1,757; -94) +Mountain Pointe H.S., AZ (1,460; -391) +Mountain View H.S., AZ (1,415); -436) North Mesquite H.S., TX (1,778; -73) Panther Creek H.S., NC (1,685; -166) Rockford H.S., MI (~1,823; -28) +Rock Hill H.S., TX (1,653; -198) *Sparkman H.S., AL (~1,830; -20) AAA —> AAAA*Blue Springs H.S., MO (1,868; +18) Brazoswood H.S., TX (1,934; +84) Rosemount H.S., MN (1,934; +84) V. Sue Cleveland H.S., NM (1,988; +138) NOTABLE CHANGES*Blue Springs H.S., MO (AAAA) Bourbon County H.S., KY (AA) Franklin H.S., TN (AA) Green Hope H.S., NC (AAA) Green Level H.S., NC (AAA) *Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA (AA) *Lakota East H.S., OH (AAA) M.G. Johnson H.S., TX (AAA) Organ Mountain H.S., NM (AAA) Panther Creek H.S., NC (AAA) Pickerington North H.S., OH (AA) Rockford H.S., MI (AAA) Rosemount H.S., MN (AAAA) West Salem H.S., OR (AA) An update to this post since TEA updated their database to include 2021-2022 enrollment numbers. Quite shocking to see so many groups lose 100-300 kids overall compared to the previous year; the senior classes in particular have shrunk a lot. I think we may see some big class shake-ups this year and throughout the next couple of years, and well beyond Texas. I will update this list with bands from the other states once NCES updates their database. AAEverman H.S., TX (1,231) [was AAA] Hidalgo Early College H.S., TX (783) [was A] Lopez Early College H.S., TX (1,258) [was AAA] Mission Veterans Memorial H.S., TX (1,310) [was AAA] Poteet H.S., TX (~1,240, numbers are masked) [could still be AAA] AAABrazoswood H.S., TX (1,730) [was thought to be AAAA] Clear Brook H.S., TX (1,772) [was AAAA last year] Cypress Springs H.S., TX (~1,754) [was AAAA] Del Rio H.S., TX (1,810) [was AAAA] Economedes H.S., TX (1,767) [was AAAA] Edinburg H.S., TX (1,683) [was AAAA] Hutto H.S., TX (1,796) [was AAAA] Lakeview Centennial H.S., TX (1,787) [was AAAA] McNeil H.S., TX (1,830) [was AAAA] Medina Valley H.S., TX (1,418) [was thought to be AA] Weiss H.S., TX (1,717) [was AAAA] Willis H.S., TX (1,804) [was AAAA] Other bands that could really go either way (within 10 of threshold):Bridge City H.S., TX (602) [Class A or AA]
John B. Connally H.S., TX (1,328) [AA or AAA]
Mansfield H.S., TX (1,849) [AAA or AAAA]
Morton Ranch H.S., TX (1,849) [AAA or AAAA]
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 12, 2022 11:01:09 GMT -6
(Possible) updated BOA classifications for Georgia bands that usually participate, with numbers from the Georgia DOE.
Allatoona H.S., GA (AA) [1,299]
Kennesaw Mountain H.S., GA (AA) [1,304]
North Cobb H.S., GA (AAA OR AAAA) [1,852]
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 12, 2022 11:22:06 GMT -6
(Possible) updated BOA classifications for Florida bands that usually participate, with numbers from the Florida DOE.
Fort Walton Beach H.S., FL (AA) [1,238]
Oviedo H.S., FL (AAA) [1,737]
Palm Harbor University H.S., FL (AAA) [1,822]
Sebastian River H.S., FL (AA OR AAA) [1,322]
Seminole H.S., FL (AA) [1,225]
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 12, 2022 12:44:31 GMT -6
(Possible) updated BOA classifications for Ohio bands that usually participate, with numbers from the Ohio DOE.
Butler H.S., OH (A) [578]
Colerain H.S., OH (AA) [1,255]
Forest Hills Schools, OH (AAA) [1,742]
Grove City H.S., OH (AA) [1,294]*
Hamilton H.S., OH (AAA) [1,473]
Lakota East H.S., OH (AAA) [1,814]
New Philadelphia H.S., OH (A) [490]
*I know they only attended one BOA show in recent memory, but they are an Ohio powerhouse so I thought I would include them if they decide to perform at another show this year.
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 12, 2022 13:31:46 GMT -6
(Possible) updated BOA classifications for Indiana bands that usually participate, with numbers from the Indiana DOE.
Angola H.S., IN (A) [588]
Homestead H.S., IN (AAA OR AAAA) [1,845]
Western H.S., IN (A OR AA) [601]
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Post by paddy on Apr 12, 2022 14:18:34 GMT -6
(Possible) updated BOA classifications for Indiana bands that usually participate, with numbers from the Indiana DOE. Angola H.S., IN (A) [588] Homestead H.S., IN (AAA OR AAAA) [1,845] Western H.S., IN (A OR AA) [601] Western will be A. They always are... |
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 12, 2022 16:28:53 GMT -6
(Possible) updated BOA classifications for Indiana bands that usually participate, with numbers from the Indiana DOE. Angola H.S., IN (A) [588] Homestead H.S., IN (AAA OR AAAA) [1,845] Western H.S., IN (A OR AA) [601] Western will be A. They always are... Except when they aren't.  See 2011 and 2017. |
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 12, 2022 19:31:30 GMT -6
Western will be A. They always are... Except when they aren't.  See 2011 and 2017. And given the way their enrollment is trending, if they aren't AA this year, they will be in 2023 or 2024. |
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Post by paddy on Apr 13, 2022 6:15:46 GMT -6
Except when they aren't. See 2011 and 2017. And given the way their enrollment is trending, if they aren't AA this year, they will be in 2023 or 2024. Their state certified enrollment has been AA for at least 3 years... |
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Post by LeanderMomma Fan on Apr 14, 2022 9:33:49 GMT -6
Dawson H.S.,TX has 1859 10-12 grade students so I would also say they’re also on the brim.
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