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Post by lowbrass99 on Apr 14, 2022 16:01:12 GMT -6
Anyone know when ISSMA releases 2022 classifications? Just curious to see what schools are moving up/down a class for this season.
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Post by thewho on Apr 14, 2022 17:35:14 GMT -6
Anyone know when ISSMA releases 2022 classifications? Just curious to see what schools are moving up/down a class for this season. Checking the date of the 2021 numbers show a release date 4/15, so I would expect the 2022 numbers to come out very soon. I would give until the end of April just to be safe. |
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Post by paddy on Apr 15, 2022 7:08:04 GMT -6
I will be interested to see if the Open Class participants numbers rebound any. Regionals are becoming a bit redundant. Interestingly enough, the Indiana DOE student enrollment numbers have not been updated for the 21-22 school year on InView. However, you can find it here: www.in.gov/doe/it/data-center-and-reports/ |
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Post by paddy on Apr 15, 2022 7:09:02 GMT -6
And remember if you want to compare year to year, save the current list. Once the new list goes up, they usually take the prior year down.
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Post by Marching Observer on May 3, 2022 19:12:41 GMT -6
I will be interested to see if the Open Class participants numbers rebound any. Regionals are becoming a bit redundant.Are becoming? Already are basically. And I'd argue they have been for awhile to which I point the creation of Scholastic class as the biggest reason why. I really could go on a tangent of how I feel like Scholastic class has hurt the activity in the state, but that's entirely for another thread. Long winded way of me saying, absolutely agree but don't foresee open class numbers rebounding at all. |
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Post by paddy on May 4, 2022 0:21:41 GMT -6
I will be interested to see if the Open Class participants numbers rebound any. Regionals are becoming a bit redundant.Are becoming? Already are basically. And I'd argue they have been for awhile to which I point the creation of Scholastic class as the biggest reason why. I really could go on a tangent of how I feel like Scholastic class has hurt the activity in the state, but that's entirely for another thread. Long winded way of me saying, absolutely agree but don't foresee open class numbers rebounding at all. As recently as 2019, there were legitimate cuts at the regional level. I will be interested to see if any groups rebound from Covid. But yes, scholastic class is an issue. |
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Post by hewhowaits on May 4, 2022 5:40:58 GMT -6
Are becoming? Already are basically. And I'd argue they have been for awhile to which I point the creation of Scholastic class as the biggest reason why. I really could go on a tangent of how I feel like Scholastic class has hurt the activity in the state, but that's entirely for another thread. Long winded way of me saying, absolutely agree but don't foresee open class numbers rebounding at all. As recently as 2019, there were legitimate cuts at the regional level. I will be interested to see if any groups rebound from Covid. But yes, scholastic class is an issue. Yes, there were some cuts at the regional level but how many bands not moving on constitutes "legitimate" is debatable. Do they really need a round to eliminate one or two bands? If semi-state is 20 bands anyway, there's little value (if any) in reducing from 22 by having an extra round of competition. If they really think they need three rounds, perhaps the number of bands advancing to semi-state needs to be reduced (14 would provide for the top 7 in each region). |
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Post by paddy on May 4, 2022 12:24:28 GMT -6
As recently as 2019, there were legitimate cuts at the regional level. I will be interested to see if any groups rebound from Covid. But yes, scholastic class is an issue. Yes, there were some cuts at the regional level but how many bands not moving on constitutes "legitimate" is debatable. Do they really need a round to eliminate one or two bands? If semi-state is 20 bands anyway, there's little value (if any) in reducing from 22 by having an extra round of competition. If they really think they need three rounds, perhaps the number of bands advancing to semi-state needs to be reduced (14 would provide for the top 7 in each region). In 2019 there were 20 bands cut (20% of the entrants) at regionals across 4 classes. 5 in D, 6 in C, 5 in B and 4 in A. Until you address the unbalanced nature of regionals, particularly in Class B, reducing the number passed out of regionals will cut state finalists. In 2019 only 2 state finalists came out of the class B north regional and 2 state finalists were #8 and #9 out of the south regional. 2021 was similar with only 3 from north and 1 outside the top 7 from the south. In 2018 a state runner up was 8th at regionals. If a class has 20 bands or less, just skip right to semi-state instead of reducing the bands through to semi-state. |
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Post by hewhowaits on May 4, 2022 15:26:42 GMT -6
If a class has 23 bands or less, just skip right to semi-state instead of reducing the bands through to semi-state. FIFY |
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Post by paddy on May 5, 2022 13:27:24 GMT -6
If a class has 23 bands or less, just skip right to semi-state instead of reducing the bands through to semi-state. FIFY Feel free to have your opinion, but I don’t need you to change mine. |
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Post by hewhowaits on May 5, 2022 19:26:12 GMT -6
Feel free to have your opinion, but I don’t need you to change mine. I guess I'm the only one who sees zero value in having a "competition" among 11 or 12 bands to have 10 of those bands move on to the next round. Worse yet is when a regional only has ten bands who must all "compete" and all ten move to semi-state (and yes, that HAS happened in Class A). The only "value" in the extra round at that point is the concessions money earned by the host school for the regional. And since the regionals don't rotate amongst the schools, only one school benefits year after year. |
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Post by paddy on May 5, 2022 20:42:34 GMT -6
Feel free to have your opinion, but I don’t need you to change mine. I guess I'm the only one who sees zero value in having a "competition" among 11 or 12 bands to have 10 of those bands move on to the next round. Worse yet is when a regional only has ten bands who must all "compete" and all ten move to semi-state (and yes, that HAS happened in Class A). The only "value" in the extra round at that point is the concessions money earned by the host school for the regional. And since the regionals don't rotate amongst the schools, only one school benefits year after year. Only 10 bands happened last year in B at both sites as well. Reasons it is done… Because ISSMA makes money Because the directors want it to happen Because the non-Central IN schools will throw a fit and block it Because giving kids opportunities to perform is actually the goal Because there is a decent chance that 2021 was an aberration In both 2019 and 2021 some of the best Class B bands used regionals as a chance to get more show on the field. Losing that competition/performance opportunity messes up their season development arc. |
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Post by Marching Observer on May 9, 2022 16:58:52 GMT -6
"Because ISSMA makes money" - That's a huge reason why you won't see this go away anytime soon. "Because the directors want it to happen" - Not completely sold on this. While I'm sure there are many that do, the only reason I can see them wanting to continue it is because it would be a more "relaxed" contest since placements aren't announced. Directors can focus on a rating. But they could just as easily get it from attending the Scholastic/Open ISSMA contest ie the defunct/modified "districts" of old. "Because the non-central IN schools will throw a fit and block it" - I'm not following you on this. Could you elaborate more? As I see it, getting rid of regionals and just having everyone advance to a semi-state ends up just including more bands and would be less likely for a band to be excluded then. Maybe you're saying they'd throw a fit because it would cause them to then have to travel farther for an event to qualify for state since they are located in the central part of the state? But even then, if they got out of regionals, they'd still have to travel to central IN to then further qualify. "Because giving kids the opportunities to perform is the goal" - Absolutely agree. But I'd argue that there is a glut of contests out there for bands to choose from to enter as well. If IN did decide to do away with regionals, it is highly likely that those schools that hosted it would just end up hosting their own show that weekend then. Even if they did not, plenty of schools are more than likely to pick up the slack. I remember not too long ago that contests were only 5 or 7 bands because there were just too many contests so you got a lot of 1 or 2 bands in a class. I don't believe not having a place to go out and perform would be an issue. "Because 2021 was an abberation" - Very possible since we were coming out of a year lost due to Covid. We'll know more this year. We saw several bands decide to go into Scholastic last year and that is understandable as they'd want to get back into the groove of things with perhaps inexperienced performers. Let's hope that many of them and maybe some new faces come back/join us in Open which in turn would make the whole discussion moot.  |
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