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Post by Shroom on Aug 4, 2022 9:18:50 GMT -6
I get what y'all are saying about DCP and the old fogies... but, part of me can get it. I love the contemporary marching arts, but I kinda miss the old school sometimes, too. Of course, that's what DCA is for. Oh yea I feel the same tbh, my favorite era of drum corps is that late 90s-mid 2000s era where drill became the driving art of the activity. I just hate how toxic and didactic that DCP is when it comes to talking about the hobby. I don't really know what it is but the marching arts kind of just attracts a *lot* of horrible people and DCP is just the largest collection of them. Obviously there is a lot of hyperbole and generalizations in my statements but I'm sure everyone here is experienced and knowledgeable enough to know what I'm talking about.
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 4, 2022 12:34:43 GMT -6
I think the worst part about DCP is people cannot separate criticism from feelings about their favorite corps. They describe critique as bashing or hatred... quite a laugh!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Aug 4, 2022 16:50:11 GMT -6
Hopkins is obviously a terrible human being, and I'm very glad to see that DCI sent him that letter. Mind you, I am reluctant to encourage the "persecution" of anyone. I'm glad he was prosecuted, and I was disappointed that he got off so lightly in court. He was a hugely influential figure in drum corps for more than 30 years. Under his leadership, Cadets won 10 championships -- deservedly so, I'd say. Late in his career he launched Cadets2, which made a valuable contribution to DCA. But he was also controversial and divisive for many reasons, including his efforts -- some of which I do think were misguided (and often poorly expressed) -- to push drum and bugle corps in new directions. He also played a leading role in the attempted G7 insurrection in 2010 that attempted to put control over DCI into the hands of a small number of then-successful corps. (Not that the other six corps' directors don't deserve some blame for that move.) Naturally his outspokenness led to a backlash, some of which was over the top. When the Philadelphia Inquirer published stories in 2017 about Hopkins having a long history of sexual misconduct, I told the reporter that the other controversies probably insulated him from allegations of harassment and assault. Constant accusations of being the source of all evils in drum corps may shield you when a more serious accusation arises. One other thing I recommended to that reporter was that she read some of the discussions on Drum Corps Planet (and I urged her to be in touch with certain people who post there), because despite any flaws of that site and its forums, it was then and still remains an invaluable resource. It's probably the closest that drum corps comes to having media to hold people accountable. ( Drum Corps World is, by intention, an overwhelmingly positive outlet. From the Pressbox and Drum Corps Xperience (formerly " CorpsReps"), are very useful but strictly informational sites.) I know there is some discussion of drum corps on other social media, but from what I've seen (I don't have any "regular" social media accounts), Facebook and especially Reddit are largely sewers. DCP is fairly strictly moderated (perhaps too much so at times), a process which sort of works like the function of an editor in the media: some gatekeeping is good. After DCP, the next best site to discuss drum corps is probably here, where the subject is, quite naturally, an off-season sidelight to the main focus on scholastic marching bands.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Aug 4, 2022 16:58:49 GMT -6
They took 2022 off to reorganize and come back for 2023. It was probably more of an edict from DCI saying they'll take the season off, or they'll turn into Pioneer and pretty much be declared persona non grata by DCI. Is there still a rule in DCI that if you miss 2+ seasons, the corps is required to go back to Open Class and work their way back up? And Spirit is welcomed back for 2023. www.spiritofatlanta.org/news/2023season?fbclid=IwAR2lnrV9vfTNsc8hMoOi4BNl0llfg8B6kvJ1mTpqDR_PZgFGHVFfph_Wk-IIf Pioneer had actually admitted to their wrongdoings and cleaned house like Spirit and The Cadets did, maybe they'd still be around. Last night I noticed that the ticket I printed out for the Centerville show included a list of corps "anticipated" to appear there this year. It had been generated so long ago that Spirit was still on the list.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Aug 4, 2022 20:33:24 GMT -6
This randomly popped up... Yeah.. I was following that thread on DCP. He attended DCI San Antonio (a rumor he had VIP seats- though not confirmed). Apparently, his daughter is on staff for SCV. So some argued he was there to support her... who knows. He has a public facebook page and is publishing his "thoughts" on DCI this year and scores on medium.com. Sufficive to say they are provocative essays. My opinion is that he should absolutely not be allowed to attend any DCI event ever again. That should be one of the many prices to pay. Bob Bass had/has to pay it. And that was over a single event! There should be consequences for terrible behavior. He shouldn't be able to get near a corps rehearsing/ the like. If he had any class, he would have done so but apparently he does not IMO. I had a conversation about this just today with a current staff member from another corps who told me that in San Antonio GH was actually given field passes by "close acquaintances" at the above mentioned corps as well as another corps and was on the field, though off to the side, for both their performances. If this is true then DCI needs to be having discussions with those corps about allowing him access. Him buying a ticket and attending like the masses is one thing, but if there are corps that are opening the door for him then there is a bigger problem here.
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Post by dbalash on Aug 5, 2022 18:41:44 GMT -6
I went down a rabbit hole and started watching the 1992 PBS Broadcast of the top 6. Man, do I miss DCI on PBS. Those were the good old days with Dennis DeLucia and Reliable Rondo.
"Sultry, sultry stuff on a summer night!"
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Post by thestraightestlegs on Aug 10, 2022 21:39:39 GMT -6
As someone who just did some Judge training for a local fall circuit last month, I will say that GE is pretty subjective. The only part that isn’t is the performance side of the sheet, and if I was judging BD every night, I think the performance as effect is absolutely undeniable.
You also should understand that judges talk to designers and staff throughout the season in critique after most shows for the first 2/3rds of the season in DCI. If the show doesn’t make sense to you, and you can’t see how it’s getting credit, that is likely because the judges have direct knowledge about the show from the people that have crafted it.
Is this the best model for judging band? Maybe not. If a casual fan disagrees with decisions made by judges, does that take away from the experience? I don’t know. But it is the system currently in place.
As with politics, I will say that most issues (or at least the perception of them) are systemic. You don’t really have beef with the judges. Most of them are incredibly well trained and knowledgeable. You have a problem with the sheets groups are being judged on because it doesn’t line up with your view of what is valuable.
I don’t really see a lot of judge hate on this forum. You are all pretty awesome as far as I can tell. But when you see hate towards judges on DCP, or on a Facebook group, or overhear a student or staff member somewhere complaining, I just hope you keep this all in mind and maybe even say something in defense of judges. I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir, but their jobs are insanely difficult and they don’t really get paid very well either.
As I go through more training and get experience judging, I’d love to share more of what I learn. Excited to see how things shake out this weekend!
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 11, 2022 4:57:15 GMT -6
You don’t really have beef with the judges. ... You have a problem with the sheets groups are being judged on because it doesn’t line up with your view of what is valuable. This sums up the issue many (most? all?) of us have with judging perfectly.
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 11, 2022 16:01:22 GMT -6
As someone who just did some Judge training for a local fall circuit last month, I will say that GE is pretty subjective. The only part that isn’t is the performance side of the sheet, and if I was judging BD every night, I think the performance as effect is absolutely undeniable. You also should understand that judges talk to designers and staff throughout the season in critique after most shows for the first 2/3rds of the season in DCI. If the show doesn’t make sense to you, and you can’t see how it’s getting credit, that is likely because the judges have direct knowledge about the show from the people that have crafted it. Is this the best model for judging band? Maybe not. If a casual fan disagrees with decisions made by judges, does that take away from the experience? I don’t know. But it is the system currently in place. As with politics, I will say that most issues (or at least the perception of them) are systemic. You don’t really have beef with the judges. Most of them are incredibly well trained and knowledgeable. You have a problem with the sheets groups are being judged on because it doesn’t line up with your view of what is valuable. I don’t really see a lot of judge hate on this forum. You are all pretty awesome as far as I can tell. But when you see hate towards judges on DCP, or on a Facebook group, or overhear a student or staff member somewhere complaining, I just hope you keep this all in mind and maybe even say something in defense of judges. I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir, but their jobs are insanely difficult and they don’t really get paid very well either. As I go through more training and get experience judging, I’d love to share more of what I learn. Excited to see how things shake out this weekend! . Yep, no critique in fall marching band for the most part though
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Post by supersound on Aug 13, 2022 7:58:56 GMT -6
I spent a few weeks on DCP and you’re right that it’s just an echo chamber of older folks who thought DCI ended when the color purple was introduced to the field
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Post by philodemus on Aug 13, 2022 8:15:24 GMT -6
I've seen high school band contests that did have critique session, but the utility is lessened because, unlike DCI, you're unlikely to see the same judges multiple times. In the corps setting, the judge might have questions about what you're trying to get across and then offer suggestions on how to clarify it, and then later he sees you again and goes, "Oh, I see that now." It's more of a conversation among a shared community.
In the high school idiom, you may see one or two judges a few times, but it lacks that ongoing aspect of dialogue.
But... the larger point about the sheets valuing different things than what I find valuable... that definitely seems to be what's happening with BD this year.
I place a high value on clarity of intent in a design. The success of BD on the current GE sheets indicates that this is not a shared value.
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Post by rickofavon on Aug 13, 2022 11:07:29 GMT -6
Just popping in to ask is Military Park by Victory Field still the place to watch Drumlines warm up? Saw some videos from the past day and only saw horn lines. Looking to take my boy up there to watch some drumming but don’t want to get there only to find out they are somewhere else.
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Post by paddy on Aug 13, 2022 12:26:14 GMT -6
Just popping in to ask is Military Park by Victory Field still the place to watch Drumlines warm up? Saw some videos from the past day and only saw horn lines. Looking to take my boy up there to watch some drumming but don’t want to get there only to find out they are somewhere else. Yes there are both drumlines and horn lines at Military Park. At least there were Thursday.
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Post by Shroom on Aug 31, 2022 10:09:06 GMT -6
Does anyone have the song name that comes in around 2:30? I checked their repertoire and it doesn't sound like anything listed.
Its been stuck in my head all day and it's driving me insane
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