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Post by cybrunette on Apr 3, 2023 15:47:23 GMT -6
There’s something to say about doubling down where you have a hold on the market. Also, local competitions in California, and I have to assume New England, tend to follow the prevailing circuit in the area. I could see it being a hard sell to convince an established circuit to change its sheets and scoring rubric for a one off competition. I will say, there seems to be appetite for BOA in Colorado, so I’m surprised there’s not a partnership there. Being an affiliate event means they aren't straying from the original circuit these competitions are a part of, correct? Wouldn't that be more beneficial for the bands already participating (basically getting a 2 for 1)? I don't see how this would deter any directors & they also have the possibility to open themselves to not only BOA judging in the area & scoring (if the competition chooses to use those sheets), but get the bands in the area that are actually interested in BOA who just don't have the funds to travel.
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Post by principalagent on Apr 3, 2023 16:02:02 GMT -6
There’s something to say about doubling down where you have a hold on the market. Also, local competitions in California, and I have to assume New England, tend to follow the prevailing circuit in the area. I could see it being a hard sell to convince an established circuit to change its sheets and scoring rubric for a one off competition. I will say, there seems to be appetite for BOA in Colorado, so I’m surprised there’s not a partnership there. Being an affiliate event means they aren't straying from the original circuit these competitions are a part of, correct? Wouldn't that be more beneficial for the bands already participating (basically getting a 2 for 1)? I don't see how this would deter any directors & they also have the possibility to open themselves to not only BOA judging in the area & scoring (if the competition chooses to use those sheets), but get the bands in the area that are actually interested in BOA who just don't have the funds to travel. None of these legacy competitions are directly tied to a circuit, and a chunk of them already use BOA sheets and rubrics. If anything, this just formalized what was already happening for these competitions. Also, I’m not sure there’s a lot of interest in New England, PNW, or NorCal for BOA. While there are some structural issues that make it hard for BOA to really break into those areas (stadium space the biggest among them)—the bands didn’t really come even when they tried! At least not convincingly in a way that justifies investment.
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Post by cybrunette on Apr 3, 2023 16:19:19 GMT -6
Being an affiliate event means they aren't straying from the original circuit these competitions are a part of, correct? Wouldn't that be more beneficial for the bands already participating (basically getting a 2 for 1)? I don't see how this would deter any directors & they also have the possibility to open themselves to not only BOA judging in the area & scoring (if the competition chooses to use those sheets), but get the bands in the area that are actually interested in BOA who just don't have the funds to travel. None of these legacy competitions are directly tied to a circuit, and a chunk of them already use BOA sheets and rubrics. If anything, this just formalized what was already happening for these competitions. Also, I’m not sure there’s a lot of interest in New England, PNW, or NorCal for BOA. While there are some structural issues that make it hard for BOA to really break into those areas (stadium space the biggest among them)—the bands didn’t really come even when they tried! At least not convincingly in a way that justifies investment. I was aware of the conversations in other threads about the lack of interest in those areas. Just seeing the possible opportunity for it especially with BOA attaching their name & a bit of their resources into already established competitions seemed it would be very compelling for bands not having to go out of their way. More so a how can a band say no to that situation. I mean I'm sure you can add 10 affiliate competitions to Texas & they would all be filled to the brim, but it just doesn't seem productive with the many already established regionals.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 3, 2023 16:52:54 GMT -6
What about Wyoming or Idaho? They do have some local comp and a State Championships that would be great with affiliation.
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Post by Jake W. on Apr 3, 2023 16:59:04 GMT -6
What about Wyoming? They do have some local comp. Indeed they do, but they are exceptionally isolated bands who don't experience anything outside of the state, and the competitions within the state are a different world from BOA sheets. There's no General Effect caption at all, and everything is judged on a festival rating system. While I think the hunger is bubbling within the state, at the moment, none of these burgeoning bands have ever even been scored with a number. BOA is still worlds away.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 3, 2023 17:08:39 GMT -6
What about Wyoming? They do have some local comp. Indeed they do, but they are exceptionally isolated bands who don't experience anything outside of the state, and the competitions within the state are a different world from BOA sheets. There's no General Effect caption at all, and everything is judged on a festival rating system. While I think the hunger is bubbling within the state, at the moment, none of these burgeoning bands have ever even been scored with a number. BOA is still worlds away. True I have only seen one WY outside of WY that was Kelly Walsh in the American Fork Invitational that I've been tracking. I guess Idaho could work.
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Post by tarheel36 on Apr 6, 2023 8:27:59 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. I learned more about this yesterday and it sounds like an announcement of a BOA regional in the Carolinas on 10/14 is imminent.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 6, 2023 13:13:21 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. I learned more about this yesterday and it sounds like an announcement of a BOA regional in the Carolinas on 10/14 is imminent. Well there goes WCU (at least for some). Curious to where it will be!!
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 6, 2023 14:56:10 GMT -6
This is my opinion but I'm not fond with BOA 2023 scheduling. - You have USBands Mid-Atlantic Showcase (They usually get the bands I want) during BOA Mid Atlantic Regional
- All of East Coast State Championships just happens to land on BOA Piscataway
- WBA SoCAL Super Show during BOA Cali
- OBA States during St. Louis (This one I'm ok becuz we have Oklahoma taking over Indy)
- ISSMA Semi States during Indianapolis
- now WCU during BOA Carolinas
- Johnson Regional w/ Mid-Atlantic Regional w/ Orlando Regional smh
Edit: Btw I know scheduling huge event like this is extremely hard so, we get what we get, but I just think it's just unlucky this coming year.
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Post by es203 on Apr 6, 2023 16:13:47 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. I learned more about this yesterday and it sounds like an announcement of a BOA regional in the Carolinas on 10/14 is imminent. They really can't make up their mind can they
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Post by abtwitch on Apr 6, 2023 16:19:26 GMT -6
This is my opinion but I'm not fond with BOA 2023 scheduling. - You have USBands Mid-Atlantic Showcase (They usually get the bands I want) during BOA Mid Atlantic Regional
- All of East Coast State Championships just happens to land on BOA Piscataway
- WBA SoCAL Super Show during BOA Cali
- OBA States during St. Louis (This one I'm ok becuz we have Oklahoma taking over Indy)
- ISSMA Semi States during Indianapolis
- now WCU during BOA Carolinas
- Johnson Regional w/ Mid-Atlantic Regional w/ Orlando Regional smh
Yeah the schedule is particularly scuffed this year, hoping this means we get to see some of the dominate independent contests of old see a revival of sorts.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 6, 2023 18:25:29 GMT -6
This is my opinion but I'm not fond with BOA 2023 scheduling. - You have USBands Mid-Atlantic Showcase (They usually get the bands I want) during BOA Mid Atlantic Regional
- All of East Coast State Championships just happens to land on BOA Piscataway
- WBA SoCAL Super Show during BOA Cali
- OBA States during St. Louis (This one I'm ok becuz we have Oklahoma taking over Indy)
- ISSMA Semi States during Indianapolis
- now WCU during BOA Carolinas
- Johnson Regional w/ Mid-Atlantic Regional w/ Orlando Regional smh
Edit: Btw I know scheduling huge event like this is extremely hard so, we get what we get, but I just think it's just unlucky this coming year.
I totally agree. The east coast scheduling is particularly bad, especially the southeast. But they've been blundering that for a few years now outside of adding back Johnson City. WCU has in the past conflicted with BOA Carolina's on a few occasions since it was added to BOA's portfolio in 2013. But WCU seems okay putting on the event even with not that many bands in attendance as we've seen a few times as well.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 6, 2023 18:34:25 GMT -6
I learned more about this yesterday and it sounds like an announcement of a BOA regional in the Carolinas on 10/14 is imminent. They really can't make up their mind can they What I've been hearing is they've had some issues nailing down a host site. That partly makes me think that it may not end up being at Wake Forest, even though their football team is away that day. Maybe WFU scheduled another Billy Joel concert for that weekend. But I hope it is there as that is the absolute best venue for it.
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 21, 2023 14:33:05 GMT -6
Word is that BOA is looking at adding a show in the Carolinas on October 14th. I learned more about this yesterday and it sounds like an announcement of a BOA regional in the Carolinas on 10/14 is imminent. Any update on this?
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Apr 21, 2023 20:00:48 GMT -6
I learned more about this yesterday and it sounds like an announcement of a BOA regional in the Carolinas on 10/14 is imminent. Any update on this? Actually I was just told today by a reliable source that the regional is happening and will be at Coastal Carolina University. I'm skeptical of what the turnout will be like with it being announced (as in still hasn't happened) so late.
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Post by es203 on Apr 21, 2023 20:10:12 GMT -6
Actually I was just told today by a reliable source that the regional is happening and will be at Coastal Carolina University. I'm skeptical of what the turnout will be like with it being announced (as in still hasn't happened) so late. A BOA show that Wando doesn’t have to drive 4 hours for? Impossible
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 21, 2023 20:16:49 GMT -6
Actually I was just told today by a reliable source that the regional is happening and will be at Coastal Carolina University. I'm skeptical of what the turnout will be like with it being announced (as in still hasn't happened) so late. It's been a minute since we've had a regional in South Carolina! Five years to be exact.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Apr 22, 2023 16:12:33 GMT -6
Something I’m curious about, with the varied amount of local metro area competitions that Texas has, several notable ones, I wonder if they’ll hop on the train of being a “BOA affiliate event”. People have their gripes with the sheets on occasion that local contests use but even in the affiliate benefits it says that using BOA sheets aren’t required. I figure it would be pretty cool for those events to have that higher profile and closeness to the circuit, even if they wish to stick to the usual scoring sheets they use. Maybe it’ll happen in the coming years.
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Post by crowncrawler on Apr 22, 2023 17:10:19 GMT -6
Actually I was just told today by a reliable source that the regional is happening and will be at Coastal Carolina University. I'm skeptical of what the turnout will be like with it being announced (as in still hasn't happened) so late. Oh shoot 👀
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Post by lostinthebands on Apr 24, 2023 20:50:28 GMT -6
One of these says I would love to see a regional in Oklahoma, or some less commonly attended states. For Oklahoma, the Renegade and Broken Arrow affiliate competitions are a good start, but seeing an official BOA regional would be awesome. A regional in Wisconsin or Michigan would also be a fun one, as I know quite a few descent bands are around there but never seem to participate in BOA events because of the distance. Perhaps in the coming years with more affiliated events, this could become a reality.
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 24, 2023 21:06:09 GMT -6
One of these says I would love to see a regional in Oklahoma, or some less commonly attended states. For Oklahoma, the Renegade and Broken Arrow affiliate competitions are a good start, but seeing an official BOA regional would be awesome. A regional in Wisconsin or Michigan would also be a fun one, as I know quite a few descent bands are around there but never seem to participate in BOA events because of the distance. Perhaps in the coming years with more affiliated events, this could become a reality. As much as I'd love to finally see it, a regional in Wisconsin is unlikely to be successful if last year's cancellation and this year's incredibly low enrollment for the Whitewater regional are any indication. I think Toledo essentially functions as a Michigan regional since it's pretty much right on the border. Not sure how much enrollment would differ if it were hosted in say, Kalamazoo. Oklahoma, Colorado, and another attempt at the PNW (we're coming up on 10 years since the last one) would all be great additions to the regional lineup, IMO.
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Post by rbrbds on Apr 25, 2023 7:44:03 GMT -6
Bands of America added the Carolina Regional on 10/14 on their website today. Site TBD
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Post by dbalash on May 4, 2023 17:21:28 GMT -6
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Post by bigtrombone on May 4, 2023 17:24:37 GMT -6
Attendance lists tomorrow?
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Post by thewho on May 4, 2023 17:43:23 GMT -6
Judging by the blurred pic on insta, it's the new Carolina regional.
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Post by dbalash on May 4, 2023 17:52:29 GMT -6
Judging by the blurred pic on insta, it's the new Carolina regional. Well, that's not that exciting!
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Post by yayband914 on May 4, 2023 17:55:01 GMT -6
Attendance lists tomorrow? Wouldn't that be nice... I think they came out around mid July last year.
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Post by statechamp1239 on May 4, 2023 18:43:14 GMT -6
it better not be another Regional. I'm done.
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Post by Allohak on May 4, 2023 18:46:58 GMT -6
it better not be another Regional. I'm done. the 43 events we already have threads for isn't too many?
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Post by statechamp1239 on May 4, 2023 18:50:48 GMT -6
it better not be another Regional. I'm done. the 43 events we already have threads for isn't too many? But we have to watch all these events. Our Saturdays are mega ruined.
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