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Post by 70sguardchick on Sept 16, 2023 21:07:47 GMT -6
Has Castle always been that big? Wow!
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Post by rickofavon on Sept 16, 2023 21:18:08 GMT -6
Excellent show today.
Loved what I saw from all schools. Great designs from all staff/schools. Kids creating consistency or building achievement.
Understand Design reasons but purple on Avon visually is out of the norm for me.
Loved seeing what Castle brought. Woooo!
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Post by bigtrombone on Sept 16, 2023 21:20:32 GMT -6
Final Results
1. Carmel H.S., IN 81.600 2. Avon H.S., IN 80.750 3. Castle H.S., IN 77.300 4. Center Grove H.S., IN 76.425 5. Campbell County H.S., KY 74.900 6. Lakota East H.S., OH 74.525 7. Lawrence Township, IN 71.900 8. Floyd Central H.S., IN 71.350 9. Franklin Central H.S., IN 71.150 10. Decatur Central H.S., IN 70.600 11. Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN 70.450 12. Anderson County H.S., KY 69.950
Outstanding Music Performance: Carmel H.S., IN Outstanding Visual Performance: Carmel H.S., IN Outstanding General Effect: Carmel H.S., IN
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Post by came on Sept 16, 2023 21:20:56 GMT -6
woah castles salute is super cool
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Post by trumpet300 on Sept 16, 2023 21:22:12 GMT -6
How many regionals is this for Carmel now?
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Post by bigtrombone on Sept 16, 2023 21:26:50 GMT -6
This is now regional win #27 for Carmel! They are now 2 away from tying Norwin for the most regional titles (29).
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Post by crowncrawler on Sept 16, 2023 21:32:08 GMT -6
Congrats to Carmel and all of the bands in KY today!
Wasn't able to watch any bands but can't say I was expecting Lakota East to be 6th.
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Post by jeremiah on Sept 16, 2023 22:12:38 GMT -6
Full ordinal recaps are available under the results tab.
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Post by lostinthebands on Sept 16, 2023 22:13:21 GMT -6
Congrats to Carmel and all of the bands in KY today! Wasn't able to watch any bands but can't say I was expecting Lakota East to be 6th. really don’t think east should’ve been as low as judges placed them…looks like the vis. Ensemble judge put them super low and cost them almost a point and a half in comparison to where they more realistically should have been.
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Post by bigtrombone on Sept 16, 2023 22:17:39 GMT -6
Finals Cutoff:
10. Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN 71.325 11. Anderson County H.S., KY 70.800 12. Floyd Central H.S., IN 70.750 ----------------------------- 13. DeSoto Central H.S., MS 70.500 14. North Hardin H.S., KY 68.575
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Post by monkeyman445 on Sept 16, 2023 22:18:26 GMT -6
But that late draw and early draw gap… I thought the divide would have been like 1-2 points not 4.
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Post by jeremiah on Sept 16, 2023 22:32:47 GMT -6
Finals Cutoff:10. Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN 71.325 11. Anderson County H.S., KY 70.800 12. Floyd Central H.S., IN 70.750 ----------------------------- 13. DeSoto Central H.S., MS 70.500 14. North Hardin H.S., KY 68.575 yup, bummer for DeSoto Central. I think with a better draw time (performing in the afternoon instead of early in the morning) they would have been in finals. Only one band in the first two blocks advanced to finals, and it was the last band in the second block. That certainly says something about either (1) the inherent advantage of a later performance time or (2) the not so random nature of the random draw times.
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Post by madhatter on Sept 17, 2023 0:42:15 GMT -6
Has Castle always been that big? Wow! Their staff has built a very effective feeder system in their solid middle school programs. Started with Tom Dean and the new Directors have built on that success. Three straight years of record-breaking Freshman classes and the trend should continue.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Sept 17, 2023 5:45:01 GMT -6
This is now regional win #27 for Carmel! They are now 2 away from tying Norwin for the most regional titles (29). Exactly what I was going to post. Congrats Carmel!
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Post by brodude77 on Sept 17, 2023 6:02:26 GMT -6
Finals Cutoff:10. Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN 71.325 11. Anderson County H.S., KY 70.800 12. Floyd Central H.S., IN 70.750 ----------------------------- 13. DeSoto Central H.S., MS 70.500 14. North Hardin H.S., KY 68.575 yup, bummer for DeSoto Central. I think with a better draw time (performing in the afternoon instead of early in the morning) they would have been in finals. Only one band in the first two blocks advanced to finals, and it was the last band in the second block. That certainly says something about either (1) the inherent advantage of a later performance time or (2) the not so random nature of the random draw times. Maybe Desoto Central will have better luck at the Memphis regional. They perform last there.
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Post by trumpet300 on Sept 17, 2023 8:01:29 GMT -6
This is now regional win #27 for Carmel! They are now 2 away from tying Norwin for the most regional titles (29). Exactly what I was going to post. Congrats Carmel! That's including super regionals right?
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Post by boahistorybuff on Sept 17, 2023 8:37:58 GMT -6
Exactly what I was going to post. Congrats Carmel! That's including super regionals right? Yes
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 17, 2023 8:39:36 GMT -6
Carmel’s show is interesting this year. It is very symphonic and noticeably more difficult IMO. I don’t really love the music itself but I’m interested to see it grow
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 17, 2023 9:10:41 GMT -6
I am in love with Castles music book this year! So good!!! The thing that might hurt them, since they’re growing so fast, is visual dirtiness. It is very evident compared over previous seasons. Still plenty of time to clean it of course, but that might allow other bands to pass them by this season.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Sept 17, 2023 9:11:15 GMT -6
Carmel’s show is interesting this year. It is very symphonic and noticeably more difficult IMO. I don’t really love the music itself but I’m interested to see it grow I have often found myself not too keen on Carmel's shows when I see them early season, but by Grand Nationals, I end up loving them. So yes give it time to grow.
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Post by baritoner on Sept 17, 2023 10:05:22 GMT -6
Final Results1. Carmel H.S., IN 81.600 2. Avon H.S., IN 80.750 3. Castle H.S., IN 77.300 4. Center Grove H.S., IN 76.425 5. Campbell County H.S., KY 74.900 6. Lakota East H.S., OH 74.525 7. Lawrence Township, IN 71.900 8. Floyd Central H.S., IN 71.350 9. Franklin Central H.S., IN 71.150 10. Decatur Central H.S., IN 70.600 11. Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN 70.450 12. Anderson County H.S., KY 69.950 Outstanding Music Performance: Carmel H.S., IN Outstanding Visual Performance: Carmel H.S., IN Outstanding General Effect: Carmel H.S., IN Really cool to see those Indiana Bands all so close in score. Wondering how that’ll turn out come ISSMA SemiState
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Post by thewho on Sept 17, 2023 11:25:35 GMT -6
Final Results1. Carmel H.S., IN 81.600 2. Avon H.S., IN 80.750 3. Castle H.S., IN 77.300 4. Center Grove H.S., IN 76.425 5. Campbell County H.S., KY 74.900 6. Lakota East H.S., OH 74.525 7. Lawrence Township, IN 71.900 8. Floyd Central H.S., IN 71.350 9. Franklin Central H.S., IN 71.150 10. Decatur Central H.S., IN 70.600 11. Hamilton Southeastern H.S., IN 70.450 12. Anderson County H.S., KY 69.950 Outstanding Music Performance: Carmel H.S., IN Outstanding Visual Performance: Carmel H.S., IN Outstanding General Effect: Carmel H.S., IN Really cool to see those Indiana Bands all so close in score. Wondering how that’ll turn out come ISSMA SemiState I did some quick math on the spots and I'm counting 6 guaranteed bands (not including Homestead, simply because no one knows where they slot in just yet). I have 2 bands that a just a tad step ahead of others (we'll call it a 0.75 point gap), plus 3 barely ahead (0.3-0.4 ahead) of 6 bands. I'm not even confident saying those 2 bands that far ahead either way. In the macro POV, this is 12 bands on even ground fighting for 4 spots. I don't remember the last time the lower half of state finals was this murky early in the season.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 17, 2023 11:53:10 GMT -6
Really cool to see those Indiana Bands all so close in score. Wondering how that’ll turn out come ISSMA SemiState I did some quick math on the spots and I'm counting 6 guaranteed bands (not including Homestead, simply because no one knows where they slot in just yet). I have 2 bands that a just a tad step ahead of others (we'll call it a 0.75 point gap), plus 3 barely ahead (0.3-0.4 ahead) of 6 bands. I'm not even confident saying those 2 bands that far ahead either way. In the macro POV, this is 11 bands on even ground fighting for 4 spots. I don't remember the last time the lower half of state finals was this murky early in the season. I can tell you Homestead is a guaranteed band also. Easily the best show (design and performance wise) since 2019.
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Post by thewho on Sept 17, 2023 11:55:02 GMT -6
I did some quick math on the spots and I'm counting 6 guaranteed bands (not including Homestead, simply because no one knows where they slot in just yet). I have 2 bands that a just a tad step ahead of others (we'll call it a 0.75 point gap), plus 3 barely ahead (0.3-0.4 ahead) of 6 bands. I'm not even confident saying those 2 bands that far ahead either way. In the macro POV, this is 11 bands on even ground fighting for 4 spots. I don't remember the last time the lower half of state finals was this murky early in the season. I can tell you Homestead is a guaranteed band also. Easily the best show (design and performance wise) since 2019. Those 11 bands did not include Homestead. I have them in. 🙂 (Still 4 spots, just Homestead is far enough ahead of the 11) (And while we're at it, I forgot to include Westfield, which actually means 12 bands...)
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Post by marimba11 on Sept 17, 2023 12:19:25 GMT -6
The Avon show is quite a departure from their last few shows. I actually like the unis and like the simple props. I will say though the music feels still pretty dirty so I can see why Carmel won but it’s still very early and this show has legs.
I’ve never quite heard pictures arranged like this, it’s pretty odd.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 17, 2023 12:23:11 GMT -6
The Avon show is quite a departure from their last few shows. I actually like the unis and like the simple props. I will say though the music feels still pretty dirty so I can see why Carmel won but it’s still very early and this show has legs. I’ve never quite heard pictures arranged like this, it’s pretty odd. While I’m not a huge fan of their purple uniforms this season I do love how the show is designed. So much demand musically and physically. Come grand Nats, it’s going to be amazing! I can’t wait!
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Post by LeanderMomma on Sept 17, 2023 13:16:32 GMT -6
Carmel’s show is interesting this year. It is very symphonic and noticeably more difficult IMO. I don’t really love the music itself but I’m interested to see it grow I have often found myself not too keen on Carmel's shows when I see them early season, but by Grand Nationals, I end up loving them. So yes give it time to grow. Exactly this!
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Post by es203 on Sept 17, 2023 13:32:03 GMT -6
The Avon show is quite a departure from their last few shows. I actually like the unis and like the simple props. I will say though the music feels still pretty dirty so I can see why Carmel won but it’s still very early and this show has legs. I’ve never quite heard pictures arranged like this, it’s pretty odd. Yeah I honestly didn’t recognize it as Pictures until the Baba Yaga part. Weird arrangement
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Post by phantomphan on Sept 17, 2023 15:06:58 GMT -6
I've had the opportunity to see Avon's show on several occasions now, beginning at their Community Day on 8/19.
To me, the level of complexity from a musical arrangement / physical demand / simultaneous responsibility perspective for both the horn and percussion players (I cannot speak to guard content) is beyond what I have seen them put on the field in many years, if ever. And that is just the first few movements that we see on the field so far.
They are dirty musically to be sure. The level of complexity / demand is very high. Avon will do what Avon does every year - they will 'smash the gas' and be insanely powerful AND clean by the time of ISSMA state and BOA GN's. Personally, I see this show as having MUCH potential and long legs as the season continues. No disrespect to any other Class A bands, but I see this show winning ISSMA state finals.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Sept 17, 2023 19:33:49 GMT -6
I've had the opportunity to see Avon's show on several occasions now, beginning at their Community Day on 8/19. To me, the level of complexity from a musical arrangement / physical demand / simultaneous responsibility perspective for both the horn and percussion players (I cannot speak to guard content) is beyond what I have seen them put on the field in many years, if ever. And that is just the first few movements that we see on the field so far. They are dirty musically to be sure. The level of complexity / demand is very high. Avon will do what Avon does every year - they will 'smash the gas' and be insanely powerful AND clean by the time of ISSMA state and BOA GN's. Personally, I see this show as having MUCH potential and long legs as the season continues. No disrespect to any other Class A bands, but I see this show winning ISSMA state finals. I suspect they are preparing for a very competitive Grand Nationals this year. Maybe took note from last year as to what Hebron and The Woddlands are going to bring to the table.
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