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Post by yayband914 on Mar 27, 2023 8:24:22 GMT -6
Great question, and the answer has a wide berth. It really all depends on what music you’re programming, how many pieces you’re performing, and how much your arranger charges for designing. Wind arrangers, specifically, typically charge anywhere between $2,000 and $10,000+, depending on who they are, who they’re arranging for, and various factors encompassing the arrangement itself (duration, difficulty, etc). Pop music usually costs around “only” a couple hundred dollars per song to license. Then you have other popular, frequently-performed classical or concert music from composers like John Mackey and Eric Whitacre, who typically charge several hundred dollars per piece. And then of course, if you use music from the public domain, there is no cost. It really just depends on the amount and the type of music that is being programmed. You can get a lot of mileage out of one single 90-minute symphony or 20-minute symphonic band piece that may only cost a couple hundred dollars, and will sustain an entire 7-11 minute show. Speaking on Tarpon specifically since you mentioned them, they used to have shows comprised of completely original music, which of course eliminates the need for copyright fees. In 2014 (the year they won Grand Nats), I believe that was the first year they used an arrangement (which was Hindemith’s Symphonic Metamorphosis), which cost them an extra few hundred bucks. Their shows nowadays are typically arrangements with several pieces, but even still, the copyright budget likely pales in comparison to the aesthetics budget. Not sure if that answered your question satisfactorily, but just my two cents. I can tell you that the vast majority of bands are not spending $3,000+ on copyright fees. This was a question literally on my mind a few days ago ‘cause I rarely hear or see an answer to this question anywhere. I was even told in one of my Ed classes, “Disney’s a non-starter, a no-go” but even then some Disney music has trickled into the activity as of late. I only want to know what are the leaps and hoops someone has to go through to get rights to music from genres and companies notoriously stingy with their Music licensing, Disney, anime music, game music, etc.?? Someone answer me this!!!😂 Disney allows their music to be performed, but you just can’t reproduce any character likeness. A lot of video game music is allowed to be arranged and performed. Not so sure about anime, but I don’t see why not in most cases? Most publishing companies and copyright holders that are stingy want to take a look at the completed draft before they approve. The Bernstein Foundation is an infamous example of this. They’ll approve arrangements, but only if it’s practically verbatim of Bernstein’s original works.
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Post by weber1492 on Mar 27, 2023 19:49:01 GMT -6
Well, I find this astonishing. First of all, since Eric Whitacre was mentioned I’ll point out that there will be an interview with him on WFMT out of Chicago in the next few days. www.wfmt.com/2023/04/01/an-interview-with-eric-whitacre/. But my astonishment regarding this post is how inexpensive it is for licensing rights. I certainly would not have used quotes around ““only” a couple of hundred dollars”. I think that’s a bargain. Why is copyright infringement so much of an issue for BoA that they can’t sell videos? To me, it’s criminal that they don’t.
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Post by dbalash on Mar 27, 2023 20:15:15 GMT -6
Well, I find this astonishing. First of all, since Eric Whitacre was mentioned I’ll point out that there will be an interview with him on WFMT out of Chicago in the next few days. www.wfmt.com/2023/04/01/an-interview-with-eric-whitacre/. But my astonishment regarding this post is how inexpensive it is for licensing rights. I certainly would not have used quotes around ““only” a couple of hundred dollars”. I think that’s a bargain. Why is copyright infringement so much of an issue for BoA that they can’t sell videos? To me, it’s criminal that they don’t. Synch rights and licensing rights are 2 wholly different things. Licensing rights= band has to get them, synch rights, the organization (BOA, DCI, etc.) The most favored nations clause comes into play here as well. Say there's 2 publishers, one wants 5k for the synch rights, one wants 10k. Both get the $10k.
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 27, 2023 21:15:58 GMT -6
Well, I find this astonishing. First of all, since Eric Whitacre was mentioned I’ll point out that there will be an interview with him on WFMT out of Chicago in the next few days. www.wfmt.com/2023/04/01/an-interview-with-eric-whitacre/. But my astonishment regarding this post is how inexpensive it is for licensing rights. I certainly would not have used quotes around ““only” a couple of hundred dollars”. I think that’s a bargain. Why is copyright infringement so much of an issue for BoA that they can’t sell videos? To me, it’s criminal that they don’t. Synch rights and licensing rights are 2 wholly different things. Licensing rights= band has to get them, synch rights, the organization (BOA, DCI, etc.) The most favored nations clause comes into play here as well. Say there's 2 publishers, one wants 5k for the synch rights, one wants 10k. Both get the $10k. The MFN clause is a bunch of malarkey and doesn't hold up in court.
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 28, 2023 19:02:53 GMT -6
Dixie Heights H.S., KY — A Hero's Odyssey
Music selections include:
"The Promise of Living" — Aaron Copland "Symphony No. 10" — Dmitri Shostakovich "Tennessee" — Hans Zimmer "My Freedom" — Two Steps from Hell "An American Elegy" — Frank Ticheli
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 28, 2023 20:21:20 GMT -6
Belton H.S., TX: "The Heat of Winter 2: The Polar Express Strikes Back"
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Post by abtwitch on Mar 28, 2023 20:23:39 GMT -6
Belton H.S., TX: " The Heat of Winter 2: The Polar Express Strikes Back" This can't be real, but I really hope it is
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 28, 2023 20:25:27 GMT -6
Belton H.S., TX: " The Heat of Winter 2: The Polar Express Strikes Back" This can't be real, but I really hope it is Ha! it was a joke from someone at Belton.
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Post by suburbanbandfan on Mar 28, 2023 22:49:44 GMT -6
Providence Catholic HS, IL- When Words Fail Plainfield Central HS, IL- Public Enemies
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 29, 2023 14:50:45 GMT -6
Marquette H.S., MO: "Shattered"
Featuring music of: "In the End" by Lincoln Park "Chasing Cars" by Snow Patrol "Titanium" by David Guetta
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Post by hawknate14 on Mar 29, 2023 16:01:03 GMT -6
Pickens H.S SC Wrecked
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Post by itsjustband on Mar 29, 2023 16:20:12 GMT -6
North Gwinnett HS, GA: “Up Slide Down”
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 29, 2023 18:05:02 GMT -6
Pickens H.S SC Wrecked Rekt
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Post by ilikeguard on Mar 29, 2023 20:03:28 GMT -6
There are two potential St. Louis finalists with the same show theme 🫡
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 29, 2023 20:45:36 GMT -6
There are two potential St. Louis finalists with the same show theme 🫡 *Sit Down Stand Up flashbacks*
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Post by ilikeguard on Mar 29, 2023 21:01:52 GMT -6
There are two potential St. Louis finalists with the same show theme 🫡 *Sit Down Stand Up flashbacks* It's a good theme so I will be seated regardless. Also, lots of emphasis on the word "potential". Both have before, but both also like to be shoo-ins and then ruin everyone's predictions by being just out.
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Post by crowncrawler on Mar 30, 2023 11:32:08 GMT -6
Catawba Ridge H.S., SC: "Keep on Runnin'"
Featured Music: "Run Boy Run" by Woodkid "Running Up That Hill (A Deal With God)" by Kate Bush "TRON Scherzo" by Wendy Carlos "Adagio for TRON" by Daft Punk "I Ran (So Far Away)" by A Flock of Seagulls "Jason" by The Midnight
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 30, 2023 19:04:55 GMT -6
American Fork H.S., UT: "I See Red"
Musical Selection: "I See Red" by Everybody Loves an Outlaw "Young and Beautiful" by Lana Del Ray "Cell Block Tango" by John Kander "El Tango de Roxanne" by Mores, Sting, Luhrmann
Park Ridge Jr./Sr., NJ: "Rise Up!" "Surface Pressure" by Lin-Manuel Miranda/arr. Paul Murtha "Fight Song" by Paul Martha "Rise Up" by Matt Conaway
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Post by pitplayer19 on Mar 30, 2023 20:33:50 GMT -6
American Fork H.S., UT: " I See Red" Musical Selection: " I See Red" by Everybody Loves an Outlaw " Young and Beautiful" by Lana Del Ray " Cell Block Tango" by John Kander " El Tango de Roxanne" by Mores, Sting, Luhrmann The American Fork Revenge Arc seems interesting
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Post by salvation on Mar 31, 2023 13:14:31 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll 2023: "La Vie Est Belle"
Carnaval of the Animals "Aviary" - Camille Saint Saens
La Mer mvmt 2 and 3 - Claude Debussy
La Vie en Rose - Edith Piaf / Louiguy
The Garden - Brad Meldau
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 31, 2023 13:41:32 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll 2023: "La Vie Est Belle" Carnaval of the Animals "Aviary" - Camille Saint Saens La Mer mvmt 2 and 3 - Claude Debussy La Vie en Rose - Edith Piaf / Louiguy The Garden - Brad Meldau Wild that they seem to be doing 4 consecutive BOA shows. Bedford, Prosper, Orlando and St. Louis. This would insinuate that they are not participating in UIL this season, since their Area competition is the weekend of Orlando. Which means they must also be doing the San Antonio super since they wouldn’t be eligible for State?
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Post by marimba11 on Mar 31, 2023 14:41:56 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll 2023: "La Vie Est Belle" Carnaval of the Animals "Aviary" - Camille Saint Saens La Mer mvmt 2 and 3 - Claude Debussy La Vie en Rose - Edith Piaf / Louiguy The Garden - Brad Meldau Van Matthews on their staff, interesting.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Mar 31, 2023 14:43:29 GMT -6
Pennridge H.S., PA: Not said
Featuring Music: "The Batman" by Michael Giacchino "What Could Have Been" by Sting "Night on Bald Mountain" by Mussorgsky "Elden Ring" by Yoshimi Kudo
Forsan (Buffalo) H.S., TX: "Royals"
Musical Selection: "Postcards from Far Away" by Coldplay "Farandole" by Bizet "Royals" by Lorde "Diamonds" by Rihanna Enigma Variation - "Nimrod" by Elgar "Viva La Vida" by Coldpla
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Post by cybrunette on Mar 31, 2023 14:54:12 GMT -6
Pennridge H.S., PA: Not saidFeaturing Music: " The Batman" by Michael Giacchino " What Could Have Been" by Sting " Night on Bald Mountain" by Mussorgsky " Elden Ring" by Yoshimi Kudo Elden Ring is a huge W
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Post by yayband914 on Mar 31, 2023 15:03:26 GMT -6
Willis H.S., TX — "rhapCITY"
"August's Rhapsody" — Mark Mancina "Asphalt Cocktail" — John Mackey "Turning Tables" — Adele "Atchafalaya" — Snarky Puppy
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Post by crowncrawler on Mar 31, 2023 18:47:56 GMT -6
Leander H.S., TX: "Ripple"
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Post by ilikeguard on Apr 1, 2023 19:30:47 GMT -6
Elden Ring? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Post by vidal28rdg on Apr 2, 2023 21:12:08 GMT -6
Southlake Carroll 2023: "La Vie Est Belle" Carnaval of the Animals "Aviary" - Camille Saint Saens La Mer mvmt 2 and 3 - Claude Debussy La Vie en Rose - Edith Piaf / Louiguy The Garden - Brad Meldau Wild that they seem to be doing 4 consecutive BOA shows. Bedford, Prosper, Orlando and St. Louis. This would insinuate that they are not participating in UIL this season, since their Area competition is the weekend of Orlando. Which means they must also be doing the San Antonio super since they wouldn’t be eligible for State? the only way to be eligible is to qualify and the only way to qualify is to show up and compete, which they won’t be so that sounds about right if that’s the case!😂 They didn’t attend either of the SA competitions due to not qualifying for state last year and not doing BOASA, maybe they just still really wanna do the SR(they also don’t need Marching band UIL to contend for the Lone star cup in their classification as they perform well in a lot of disciplines in 6A, generally) Love what they’re doing for their show repertoire though, I’m sure their program will lean towards that BOA-bent even more than last year and I’ll add a hot-take that it’ll perform better than last years’ as well
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Apr 2, 2023 22:16:14 GMT -6
Synch rights and licensing rights are 2 wholly different things. Licensing rights= band has to get them, synch rights, the organization (BOA, DCI, etc.) The most favored nations clause comes into play here as well. Say there's 2 publishers, one wants 5k for the synch rights, one wants 10k. Both get the $10k. The MFN clause is a bunch of malarkey and doesn't hold up in court. I don't see why it wouldn't. We use favored nations clauses all the time in my industry (not music, but I have in fact worked on music licensing agreements with favored nations language). If a band signs a contract with a music licensor that says the band will pay $300 to use a particular piece of music, and if the contract includes a favorite nations clause regarding other music licensed for the same show, and then the band pays some other licensor $1,000 for a song, the first licensor certainly should be able to get a court to rule that the band has violated their contract and owes them another $700. The band who doesn't like that shouldn't have signed off on those terms in the first place. But the idea is that you can use the language in the contract you've signed with licensor number one to get licensor number two to agree to a lower rate. Mind you, the numbers we're talking about here are so small that I think the licensors are in the position to say take it or leave it.
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Post by weber1492 on Apr 3, 2023 19:57:16 GMT -6
Sorry, but my eyes glaze over when I read any of these discussions about licensing rights. All I know is that we used to be able to buy VCR tapes, then DVD’s and then Blu Ray discs of the bands at all the regionals and grand nationals and now we can’t. When I saw the post about how inexpensive the licensing rights were I wondered why this is even an issue. Okay, so there’s more to it. But I still don’t get it. There were years when music was muted on the discs if there were licensing issues. That was annoying but still far better, as far as I’m concerned, than no discs at all.
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