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Post by Momof20613 on Oct 28, 2023 21:17:32 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period.
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Post by realjsnacks on Oct 28, 2023 21:22:03 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period. I do wish it would be held somewhere in central OK, that's for sure. There were a few years where they held it at UCO, but obviously with colleges and football it's a lot harder to get a spot reserved, even with those Div II schools. I could see TU, Yukon, or Mustang as potential future 6A OBA venues
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Post by hallinoates on Oct 28, 2023 21:30:34 GMT -6
BA is the only venue that puts in a bid to host 6A. Another site needs to step up to host.
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Post by Momof20613 on Oct 28, 2023 21:36:05 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period. I do wish it would be held somewhere in central OK, that's for sure. There were a few years where they held it at UCO, but obviously with colleges and football it's a lot harder to get a spot reserved, even with those Div II schools. I could see TU, Yukon, or Mustang as potential future 6A OBA venues Yukon has great band parking, but not enough spectator parking and likely not enough seating. That also wouldn’t fix the neutral ground problem. Surely there is some other location that could hold this contest that doesn’t favor any group present.
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Post by emtefury on Oct 28, 2023 21:37:40 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period. Another issue I have with Broken Arrow is their football field is not well suited for band performance. The sideline is very narrow and bands have too put their speakers in the stands. Otherwise the sound bounces off the wall. Due to this those in the front row in the stands get blasted with the speakers. Also, Bands with a large front ensemble barely fit on the sidelines.
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Post by emtefury on Oct 28, 2023 21:38:45 GMT -6
The neutral ground is an issue with holding at high schools. Really needs to be rotated amongst the 6A bands.
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Post by realjsnacks on Oct 28, 2023 21:41:19 GMT -6
I do wish it would be held somewhere in central OK, that's for sure. There were a few years where they held it at UCO, but obviously with colleges and football it's a lot harder to get a spot reserved, even with those Div II schools. I could see TU, Yukon, or Mustang as potential future 6A OBA venues Yukon has great band parking, but not enough spectator parking and likely not enough seating. That also wouldn’t fix the neutral ground problem. Surely there is some other location that could hold this contest that doesn’t favor any group present. UCO or TU would be fantastic if neutral ground is the biggest issue. Would also fix the parking issue. Biggest issue would be getting one of them to host outside of their already crammed schedules. If you don't have those, and 99% of the time you don't, you have to use the high schools that bid to host it.
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Post by cybrunette on Oct 28, 2023 21:42:56 GMT -6
What a day and what a competition, I bet everyone's just glad to be home at this point. There's a ton to take away and dig into regarding this entire season in the Oklahoma band world. You guys have probably been the most entertaining state to keep up with regarding the overall growth and many surprises throughout these past few seasons, as well as a very strong and growing BOA presence. This. Best state thread of 2023
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Post by hallinoates on Oct 28, 2023 21:45:21 GMT -6
The neutral ground is an issue with holding at high schools. Really needs to be rotated amongst the 6A bands. Schools have to bid to host. No other 6A school wants to host.
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Post by parkerlagrande on Oct 28, 2023 21:48:22 GMT -6
Anyone know where to find recaps from today? Hate that today shaped out like this for the kiddos. Feels so incomplete.
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Post by ashul on Oct 28, 2023 22:38:39 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period. I have seen many clips on socials of non BA schools in the indoor facility warming up so I don’t think that is the case. It was a tough day and very uncomfortable weather wise for everyone.
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Post by emtefury on Oct 28, 2023 22:43:21 GMT -6
Anyone know where to find recaps from today? Hate that today shaped out like this for the kiddos. Feels so incomplete. If you are on Facebook, the Oklahoma Marching Band Hub page has the recap of scoring. Someone responded to the post with a detailed score. Also will be posted on OBA website next week. www.okbandmasters.com/contest-dates--locations--schedules--results.html
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Post by parkerlagrande on Oct 28, 2023 22:52:48 GMT -6
Woah. After looking at the recaps, really crazy stuff! Southmoore alum here - to see them take 2nd in music is just incredible! Excited for them! Love the program.
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 29, 2023 0:11:44 GMT -6
But also... Union 1st in visual individual, Bixby 2nd, and BA 3rd!? While it would be exciting, for lack of a better term, to see that, that’s not what happened. The VPI judge (Costanza) ranked Union and Bixby higher in accuracy/achievement, but BA still won that sub caption once the skill score was added. Those 3 were the top 3 in VPI, though. Definitely several surprises, though. And like a cliffhanger for Jenks and Owasso!
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Post by regimember on Oct 29, 2023 7:38:37 GMT -6
BA is the only venue that puts in a bid to host 6A. Another site needs to step up to host. They bid so high it has been impossible for any other school to have a chance so they have all stopped trying. Also lets be so real here... Daren Davis has many connections and absolutely uses them. Nola Jones is the chief judge... as well as the biggest Broken Arrow fangirl.
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Post by regimember on Oct 29, 2023 7:45:01 GMT -6
But also... Union 1st in visual individual, Bixby 2nd, and BA 3rd!? While it would be exciting, for lack of a better term, to see that, that’s not what happened. The VPI judge (Costanza) ranked Union and Bixby higher in accuracy/achievement, but BA still won that sub caption once the skill score was added. Those 3 were the top 3 in VPI, though. Definitely several surprises, though. And like a cliffhanger for Jenks and Owasso! Yes of course, BA having the highest skill score which reflects the skill level of material they are given makes complete sense. But they are usually great at achieving which is the only reason that sub caption was a surprise.
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Post by okie7494 on Oct 29, 2023 7:56:32 GMT -6
Amazing season guys, thanks for all the support. Us at union appreciate yall.
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Post by bongoboy on Oct 29, 2023 9:01:16 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period. There is no other place to host it that checks all of the boxes. 1. Artificial turf - goodbye OU and OSU 2. Parking - You think BA is bad? You've never been to Skelly stadium for an OU Jenks game or you forgot what it was like when Owasso hosted OBA a few years back. You must remember, that you've got to have parking for 7-10 busses per school plus 2-3 semis/ box trucks. 3. Ease of access to field with props and equipment - For those that competed at UCO, you remember the nightmare of getting on and off the field. 4. Big enough home stands - BA has almost as many seats on the home side as Mustang has in their entire stadium. OBA makes their money off of ticket sales so hosting at a smaller venue doesn't make financial sense to them 5. Volunteers to run the event - this is a biggie. There are easily 100-200 volunteers needed to run an 18 hour contest. You have bands arriving at 6-7am and the cleanup doesn't get done until close to midnight. Does your school have enough volunteers willing to run the event? If so, then great... put in a bid. Bottom line, if your school wants to host OBA, then put in a bid if your school checks all of the boxes. There is a reason why Broken Arrow is the only one that puts in the bid. I promise you that too many tears won't be shed by the BA band parents if it was hosted elsewhere. But here's the even bigger picture. In my years playing and volunteering, I've not seen one band competition where it wasn't a logistical nightmare in some respect. If you go to St. Louis or Indy, kids are pushing props a 1/2 mile away from the stadium and on highways... yes highways, that are cordoned off but cars are zooming past at 50-60 miles an hour.
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Post by banerd on Oct 29, 2023 9:58:22 GMT -6
Bands were warming up in the indoor, not just BA.
Walk through the parking lot in the back of BA during competition. Between busses, semis, box trucks and trailers there are close to 200. That alone will take up most high school campuses. Many volunteers were there at 5:30 setting up with the first band arriving slightly after 6.
Going to the Indy comment in the last post. Yes, we were pushing props in 2021 and just about got ran over because one car wasn’t paying attention and slammed on their brakes stopping just a couple feet behind the prop while pushing down the road in front of Lucas Oil. That whole situation is a nightmare.
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Post by heavenly1101 on Oct 29, 2023 10:46:39 GMT -6
I just want to voice my opinion as a student who way playing here. It was terrible. There seemed to be no emergency or contingency plans even though the weather was known. There was a massive inequity in warmup time some got the full time some got only 15 minutes this was honestly so disappointing especially for me as a senior. I heavily agree. As a union student who was given the advantage in warmup time, it should never be done like that, and it was very unfair. They definitely need to do a better job in future years planning for weather like that.
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Post by regimember on Oct 29, 2023 10:51:25 GMT -6
This event does not need to be held at BA anymore. The parking is horrific, both for cars and for bands, there just isn’t enough room. The only thing they have enough of is seats in the stadium. It’s also pretty disheartening to watch many hundreds of students freeze/deal with whatever weather elements may be at play and to watch BA students sit indoors all or most of the day and then warm up in their indoor facility. This event should be on neutral ground, period. There is no other place to host it that checks all of the boxes. 1. Artificial turf - goodbye OU and OSU 2. Parking - You think BA is bad? You've never been to Skelly stadium for an OU Jenks game or you forgot what it was like when Owasso hosted OBA a few years back. You must remember, that you've got to have parking for 7-10 busses per school plus 2-3 semis/ box trucks. 3. Ease of access to field with props and equipment - For those that competed at UCO, you remember the nightmare of getting on and off the field. 4. Big enough home stands - BA has almost as many seats on the home side as Mustang has in their entire stadium. OBA makes their money off of ticket sales so hosting at a smaller venue doesn't make financial sense to them 5. Volunteers to run the event - this is a biggie. There are easily 100-200 volunteers needed to run an 18 hour contest. You have bands arriving at 6-7am and the cleanup doesn't get done until close to midnight. Does your school have enough volunteers willing to run the event? If so, then great... put in a bid. Bottom line, if your school wants to host OBA, then put in a bid if your school checks all of the boxes. There is a reason why Broken Arrow is the only one that puts in the bid. I promise you that too many tears won't be shed by the BA band parents if it was hosted elsewhere. But here's the even bigger picture. In my years playing and volunteering, I've not seen one band competition where it wasn't a logistical nightmare in some respect. If you go to St. Louis or Indy, kids are pushing props a 1/2 mile away from the stadium and on highways... yes highways, that are cordoned off but cars are zooming past at 50-60 miles an hour. One thing to note on this is that at the end of competition only 17 bands were scored, while in the past Renegade Review has hosted up to 22+ groups, some years including multiple 4A Texas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas groups, and this was before the stadium was upgraded. OBA at Owasso has never really gone so well, and before 2019 the last time they had hosted it, they weren’t allowed to compete, and I believe that was back when OBA was on rotation. But as you stated; no matter the location, competition, or host… there will be logistical challenges and its up to how its handled by the hosts to determine the satisfaction and successful show flow. One thing that isn’t going to change about Broken Arrow is the campus, parking, and inconvenience of the 1 tiny road that leads to the School and Stadium that has little to no neighboring small businesses and not to mention that the elementary down the road will always be full and the on campus parking lots are basically out of the question. You can only enter BAHS from 1 street while you can access OHS and UHS from 2 different main roads with multiple entrances for cars.
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Post by ashul on Oct 29, 2023 14:10:56 GMT -6
Goodness, it’s disheartening to see what this thread has devolved to. Where are the adults modeling graciousness and sportsmanship to what I hope are just a couple immature kids picking groups apart and sour grapes.
HUGE CONGRATULATIONS to ALL the bands who pushed through an incredibly difficult day of weather and setbacks because of it. It was brutal and uncomfortable for everyone. There was a lot of uncertainty and challenges but I am so impressed with the resilience and character of these kids who took the field and performed their hearts out anyway. So much great band and talent in OK showing great perseverance in less than optimal circumstances. Rising to the occasion in the face of adversity is where character is built! It was more than worth it to sit in the rain and to cheer you on!! Congratulations to Mustang🥉, Union🥈and Broken Arrow🥇!! You were brilliant and very deserving. You should all be very proud.
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Post by melloyello on Oct 29, 2023 15:11:04 GMT -6
Well, I just wrote a LENGTHY post about which stadiums would and would not be able to host OBA in the future, but my computer died when I went to post . Here is a very condensed version of my opinions. Would Not Be Able(Main Reason)Edmond Memorial (Parking) Deer Creek (Parking/Stadium Size) Choctaw (Parking/Stadium Size) Mustang (Space for Bands/Parking) Bixby (Stadium Size) Southmoore (Parking) Stillwater (Parking) Would Be Able, But Not Ideal
Edmond North Edmond Santa Fe Owasso IdealBroken Arrow Union Thoughts On UniversitiesIt would simply be impossible to have a band competition at one of these universities during football season in the middle of an academic semester. Imagine how many complaints about parking tickets there would be! Not to mention having to tell university students and staff that hundreds of parking spaces and several parking lots would be blocked off.
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Post by ashul on Oct 29, 2023 15:47:08 GMT -6
Well, I just wrote a LENGTHY post about which stadiums would and would not be able to host OBA in the future, but my computer died when I went to post . Here is a very condensed version of my opinions. Would Not Be Able(Main Reason)Edmond Memorial (Parking) Deer Creek (Parking/Stadium Size) Choctaw (Parking/Stadium Size) Mustang (Space for Bands/Parking) Bixby (Stadium Size) Southmoore (Parking) Stillwater (Parking) Would Be Able, But Not Ideal
Edmond North Edmond Santa Fe Owasso IdealBroken Arrow Union Thoughts On UniversitiesIt would simply be impossible to have a band competition at one of these universities during football season in the middle of an academic semester. Imagine how many complaints about parking tickets there would be! Not to mention having to tell university students and staff that hundreds of parking spaces and several parking lots would be blocked off. Once the road widening project and construction projects at BA are completed it will certainly help things a lot. It would be amazing if they would take the property across the street from the stadium and develop a multi level covered parking structure. Not sure how realistic that is but it would sure help with some of the issues. Regardless it’s no easy feat hosting one of these events even in the best conditions. It takes an army of volunteers and countless hours. Thanks to BA for hosting and working hard to make the best of an exceptionally difficult weather day.
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Post by ycl2023 on Oct 29, 2023 22:14:05 GMT -6
OBA 6A Predictions Post Owasso and Yukon Contest Contest:
As a lover of statistics and predictions, this weekends contests were the most wild unexpected results i've seen in a minute. I can say for sure this is the most competitive and crazy top 12 i've seen from Oklahoma in years. Let's dig in Just know these predictions are expected to change constantly hence why I do this weekly, but hopefully by OBA I should have a good grasp on the rankings approximation (Shows ranking comparison to my previous week rankings)*1. Broken Arrow (Same)Hard to tell with BA as I won't see the show really until the BA invitational, but it is BA nonetheless 2. Jenks (Up 1)Wow... Jenks showed up and showed out, all I have to say really 3. Mustang (Up 1)Took a solid 2nd place against some crazy Texas bands, can't wait to see what things will be very very clean by OBA, at least it's what I expect from their ensemble 4. Yukon (Up 1)Ima need some people to hear me out on this one considering we've never gotten to a point where a non Tulsa or non Mustang school has broke top 5, let alone top 4 in forever. But if there's gonna be a group to pull that off, it's Yukon no Doubt. Got some chills from their music tonight and visual is cleaning up nicely 5. Union (Up 5)Welp Union did it and proved me wrong tonight on my previous predictions, well done and I can't wait to see them roll up to Indy 6. Edmond Sante Fe (Same)ESF did the unthinkable and by far the most shocking upset tonight, by beating the powerhouse of Bixby, I hope this bodes well for the rest of their season, but still have the fear of the plateau i've seen from them before 7. Bixby (Down 5)I don't want to hate on Bixby or act like there show wasn't where it should be, but tonight was a revelation for them and the entire marching band population, that the Oklahoma competition is steep. Can't wait to see a bounce back from them 8. Owasso (Down 1)Look I don't want to put down any of these groups for each having a great performance like Owasso, but the top 7 is the best we've seen in years 9. Southmoore (Down 1)Hard to judge them when there's no performance but i'm content with keeping it the same, I believe in them to be good, but yet again, the competition is crazy 10. Choctaw (Up 1)They showed up tonight and won visual AND colorguard captions, congrats to them, can't wait to see if they keep this spot 11. Edmond North (Came from Below Top 12)Welp they blew past my expectations at Yukon, congrats to them for winning and showing us who they are this season, love the safari theme 12. Deer Creek (Down 3)Love Deer Creek but I can't rank them higher than a group that frankly was the better band tonight, but the seasons early, so who knows All ima say, is other than not having union higher, I somehow called Yukon’s placement, even tho all of y’all hated on it originally 😭
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Post by THdg0605 on Oct 30, 2023 12:13:42 GMT -6
From a senior's perspective, I am obviously disappointed that this was how the state competition played out. The Oklahoma Bandmaster's Association has hosted a number of state competitions that were extremely successful; however, I cannot help myself to think that this one was planned without student wellbeing in mind.
Unlike many, I don't think BA being the host every year is the issue, I actually quite like their facilities. It is more of the fact that with prior knowledge of the balmy and hazardous conditions on Saturday, the Association provided no contingency plan for warm-ups and/or performances. The communication, or lack thereof, between the hosts and directors was also a point of contention I have regarding Saturday. It was a day of chaos and confusion with minimal instruction provided by OBA to provide bands with the opportunity to know ahead of time when they were supposed to be ready to perform.
At the end of the day, this year's OBA was an anomaly. I doubt that the Bandmaster's Association will allow another competition to turn out the way Saturday did. I am appreciative of all that OBA has done for me the past 3 years, but, accountability has to be taken by the organization that hosts arguably the most important competition for Oklahoma marching band. Congratulations to all that performed, and my heart goes out to those that did not.
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Post by realjsnacks on Oct 30, 2023 22:30:29 GMT -6
From a senior's perspective, I am obviously disappointed that this was how the state competition played out. The Oklahoma Bandmaster's Association has hosted a number of state competitions that were extremely successful; however, I cannot help myself to think that this one was planned without student wellbeing in mind. Unlike many, I don't think BA being the host every year is the issue, I actually quite like their facilities. It is more of the fact that with prior knowledge of the balmy and hazardous conditions on Saturday, the Association provided no contingency plan for warm-ups and/or performances. The communication, or lack thereof, between the hosts and directors was also a point of contention I have regarding Saturday. It was a day of chaos and confusion with minimal instruction provided by OBA to provide bands with the opportunity to know ahead of time when they were supposed to be ready to perform. At the end of the day, this year's OBA was an anomaly. I doubt that the Bandmaster's Association will allow another competition to turn out the way Saturday did. I am appreciative of all that OBA has done for me the past 3 years, but, accountability has to be taken by the organization that hosts arguably the most important competition for Oklahoma marching band. Congratulations to all that performed, and my heart goes out to those that did not. I will say this- there are obviously aspects of this situation that OBA as a whole could've handled better. They could've had more contingency in place and communicated better with not only the spectators, but more importantly the bands and their directors. However, there are a few circumstances we need to keep in mind that made this situation a lot more difficult on OBA's end: - While pushing it forward a week seems like it would be the right move, that would conflict with All-State auditions and that takes precedent over a band contest, even one like OBA. So why not push it forward two weeks? Well, then you get into things like bleeding into concert seasons, and having to choose between community events and OBA, and that's a whole headache bands will not want to deal with. - On that front, you might be saying "well why didn't they just have it a week earlier, and hold 5A and 6A at the same time?" Well, a week earlier the meteorologists still weren't sure about how bad the day was actually going to be. And even with that, bands in Oklahoma were in Indy and Orlando- they had planned around this preset schedule. Not to mention, there were judges at 5A that also judged at 6A, which makes for a logistical nightmare to find more judges at the last minute. - Bands dropping unexpectedly, like Jenks and Owasso, can cause a ripple effect in scheduling and it seems it gets worse the closer to their performance time they drop. Sounds like I'm stating the obvious, right? But what made this particular time worse was the level of uncertainty going around about how many bands were even going to stay and perform. We ended up with about 4 down altogether, but no one knew for sure what was happening next. And working around downpours is never convenient, especially when there's no lightning, so it's hard to justify straight up calling it a day. Now- that being said, it doesn't excuse AT ALL what I've heard about some bands only getting like 10-15 minutes of warmup vs some who got the full time or maybe too much (and maybe it's reflected in the scores.. not one to make conspiracies, but maybe there's some correlation?). More care should've been taken to make sure that every band still got equal time to warm up, especially since they officially cancelled finals in the middle of prelims. That's where I feel they dropped the ball the most. Now, with all this said, I think OBA was simply dealt a bad hand, and they had to play it as best as they could. While it was still total chaos, I think in some aspects they handled it as well as anyone could've. I think last weekend makes a good case for getting a dome in Oklahoma (or some kind of indoor facility where you can stick a hundred yard football field). It's absolutely terrible and heartbreaking that a lot of bands, including seniors, had to miss out on performing even once. Not a good way to end any season, freshman or senior. Sadly, it's the way life goes. As for the venue, I don't mind that it's at BA, though I don't like the drive, being from OKC. However, with only BA putting in a bid, it's a wonder we have a venue at all. The construction around the school is a big inconvenience that never seems to go away, and the neutral ground situation is never going to be solved if we can't get a college to host it, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. So, I think the lesson learned here is to take all this in with a positive mindset. We learned this with Covid when we didn't get any kind of season at all, but it's one that bears reminding sometimes.
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Post by macwinlin on Oct 31, 2023 22:05:18 GMT -6
OSU and TU hosted large-school OBA for many years through 2002, and UCO multiple classes since then. Did they bid then(I’m certain UCO did), and if so, is it just too much to mess with now? Too much red tape?
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Post by theultimaterat on Nov 1, 2023 10:15:04 GMT -6
BA is the only venue that puts in a bid to host 6A. Another site needs to step up to host. They bid so high it has been impossible for any other school to have a chance so they have all stopped trying. Also lets be so real here... Daren Davis has many many connections and absolutely uses them. I mean come on, Nola Jones is the chief judge... as well as the biggest Broken Arrow fangirl. Where at all did you find that BA bids so high? Daren Davis does have connections but if directors in the bandmasters association suspected foul play I assure you something would have happened by now. Some of this seems like rumors spread to discredit a program.
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Post by macwinlin on Nov 1, 2023 11:35:50 GMT -6
BA is the only venue that puts in a bid to host 6A. Another site needs to step up to host. They bid so high it has been impossible for any other school to have a chance so they have all stopped trying. Also lets be so real here... Daren Davis has many many connections and absolutely uses them. I mean come on, Nola Jones is the chief judge... as well as the biggest Broken Arrow fangirl. Not quite sure what Nola Jones has to do with OBA's location. If that's the case, maybe Union should use their Wayne Downey "connection" and get him to increase the bid.
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