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Post by philodemus on Sept 5, 2023 13:28:58 GMT -6
Estill County 2022 - 54 musicians (Class 3A) Anderson County 2022 - 53 musicians (Class 4A) Estill County 2021 - 52 musicians (Class 3A) Anderson County 2021 - 49 musicians (Class 4A) Estill County 2019 - 61 musicians (Class 3A) Bullitt East 2019 - 62 musicians (Class 4A) You were saying? Estill has been a 2A size school with a 4A size band, which is what put them in 3A to begin with. 2 points for school size + 4 points for band size = 6 points (Class 3A - 6 to 7 points) Just because a school moved up a class doesn't mean that they grew any. In this system a band could dwindle in size and move a band up a class because they're now smaller than the ones that were previously smaller. Movement doesn't always equal growth. What I'm about to say might be a little spicy for discussion, but just seeing the hard numbers on this is confusing. To me, an outsider, this just seems as if the board members who created this system wanted to manifest an opportunity for their own programs or the ones they supported to win / succeed which since then has been spiraling out of control? That, or something very much like it, is the rumored situation: a handful of small band/big school directors convinced the small band/small school folks to support this. The small band/big school directors got out of class dominated by Lafayette and Madison Central and the small band/small school directors booted Murray and Beechwood from their class. I wasn't in the room, and even if I were I couldn't speak to anyone's true motivations. But... that's the story and it seems congruent with the facts on the ground. The most charitable explanation is that they wanted to make it possible for small band/big schools to experience success and grow. |
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Post by zappak on Sept 5, 2023 14:38:21 GMT -6
Estill County 2022 - 54 musicians (Class 3A) Anderson County 2022 - 53 musicians (Class 4A) Estill County 2021 - 52 musicians (Class 3A) Anderson County 2021 - 49 musicians (Class 4A) Estill County 2019 - 61 musicians (Class 3A) Bullitt East 2019 - 62 musicians (Class 4A) You were saying? Estill has been a 2A size school with a 4A size band, which is what put them in 3A to begin with. 2 points for school size + 4 points for band size = 6 points (Class 3A - 6 to 7 points) Just because a school moved up a class doesn't mean that they grew any. In this system a band could dwindle in size and move a band up a class because they're now smaller than the ones that were previously smaller. Movement doesn't always equal growth. What I'm about to say might be a little spicy for discussion, but just seeing the hard numbers on this is confusing. To me, an outsider, this just seems as if the board members who created this system wanted to manifest an opportunity for their own programs or the ones they supported to win / succeed which since then has been spiraling out of control? It's funny how outsiders get it right off the bat, yet those inside the state argue against that thought process even though it is clear for all to see. Lol. You quite literally hit the nail on the head. |
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Post by zappak on Sept 5, 2023 14:52:12 GMT -6
What I'm about to say might be a little spicy for discussion, but just seeing the hard numbers on this is confusing. To me, an outsider, this just seems as if the board members who created this system wanted to manifest an opportunity for their own programs or the ones they supported to win / succeed which since then has been spiraling out of control? That, or something very much like it, is the rumored situation: a handful of small band/big school directors convinced the small band/small school folks to support this. The small band/big school directors got out of class dominated by Lafayette and Madison Central and the small band/small school directors booted Murray and Beechwood from their class. I wasn't in the room, and even if I were I couldn't speak to anyone's true motivations. But... that's the story and it seems congruent with the facts on the ground. The most charitable explanation is that they wanted to make it possible for small band/big schools to experience success and grow. And the problem is, what programs have grown in those 5A schools that aren't a 5A size band? What incentive is there for them to grow? Are they faring better competitively in the lower classes? If so, why grow to be in 5A again? The answer is quite simple, but nobody wants to wake up and smell the bacon. 5A will continue to be dominated by Lafayette and Madison Central. Once North Hardin or Ryle grows to be able to compete with them, they'll be in the dominating category as well. If Dunbar can reach their former glory, they'll be there too. This really solved nothing if these programs can do what I mentioned, because then 5 of the 6 slots in finals will already be spoken for. In reality, 3 of the 6 already are, and it's starting to look like in the following years more will be spoken for before the season begins. It really comes down to the fact that nobody in 5A has the ability or the resources to compete with Lafayette and Madison Central. North Hardin did, but then Froedge left. Hopefully the new director can bring them back up. It's also the same in other classes. We know that in 2A Beechwood, Estill, and Glasgow are locks. That leaves 3 open spots. We know that in 3A Murray is going to win, with Russell, Taylor, and likely South Laurel filling up the next 3. That leaves 2 spots open. We know that in 4A Christian, Bourbon, Anderson, and likely Harrison with their recent director pick up will be locks, that leaves 2 spots open. Currently 1A is the only class that could really go to anyone on any given weekend. This proves that 1A and 5A were the only ones who truly benefitted from this hybrid system. 3A had bands not make finals that would have likely made finals in any other class in 2019 and 2021. 4A as well, but a bit more arguably. It is a little better this year, but there will still be a couple of really good bands in 4A, who could make finals in the classes under them, but will be sitting in the stands Saturday night because a handful of directors decided to make it easier for them...allegedly. |
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Post by philodemus on Sept 5, 2023 16:30:10 GMT -6
That, or something very much like it, is the rumored situation: a handful of small band/big school directors convinced the small band/small school folks to support this. The small band/big school directors got out of class dominated by Lafayette and Madison Central and the small band/small school directors booted Murray and Beechwood from their class. I wasn't in the room, and even if I were I couldn't speak to anyone's true motivations. But... that's the story and it seems congruent with the facts on the ground. The most charitable explanation is that they wanted to make it possible for small band/big schools to experience success and grow. And the problem is, what programs have grown in those 5A schools that aren't a 5A size band? What incentive is there for them to grow? Are they faring better competitively in the lower classes? If so, why grow to be in 5A again? The answer is quite simple, but nobody wants to wake up and smell the bacon. 5A will continue to be dominated by Lafayette and Madison Central. Once North Hardin or Ryle grows to be able to compete with them, they'll be in the dominating category as well. If Dunbar can reach their former glory, they'll be there too. This really solved nothing if these programs can do what I mentioned, because then 5 of the 6 slots in finals will already be spoken for. In reality, 3 of the 6 already are, and it's starting to look like in the following years more will be spoken for before the season begins. It really comes down to the fact that nobody in 5A has the ability or the resources to compete with Lafayette and Madison Central. North Hardin did, but then Froedge left. Hopefully the new director can bring them back up. It's also the same in other classes. We know that in 2A Beechwood, Estill, and Glasgow are locks. That leaves 3 open spots. We know that in 3A Murray is going to win, with Russell, Taylor, and likely South Laurel filling up the next 3. That leaves 2 spots open. We know that in 4A Christian, Bourbon, Anderson, and likely Harrison with their recent director pick up will be locks, that leaves 2 spots open. Currently 1A is the only class that could really go to anyone on any given weekend. This proves that 1A and 5A were the only ones who truly benefitted from this hybrid system. 3A had bands not make finals that would have likely made finals in any other class in 2019 and 2021. 4A as well, but a bit more arguably. It is a little better this year, but there will still be a couple of really good bands in 4A, who could make finals in the classes under them, but will be sitting in the stands Saturday night because a handful of directors decided to make it easier for them...allegedly. No argument here! I’m just more open to the possibility that these are accidental negative outcomes of a mistaken policy—as opposed to the deliberate negative outcomes of a belligerent conspiracy. But, you know, it’s probably a belligerent conspiracy. I recall I few years before this change there was a proposal to stay with school size, but give 5A more Finals spots than anyone else. At the time, everyone in 1-4A was against it on principle, but I argued we should just let them have it so they didn’t demand any bigger, more destructive changes. I would rather not have been right about that. |
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Post by zappak on Sept 5, 2023 16:41:04 GMT -6
And the problem is, what programs have grown in those 5A schools that aren't a 5A size band? What incentive is there for them to grow? Are they faring better competitively in the lower classes? If so, why grow to be in 5A again? The answer is quite simple, but nobody wants to wake up and smell the bacon. 5A will continue to be dominated by Lafayette and Madison Central. Once North Hardin or Ryle grows to be able to compete with them, they'll be in the dominating category as well. If Dunbar can reach their former glory, they'll be there too. This really solved nothing if these programs can do what I mentioned, because then 5 of the 6 slots in finals will already be spoken for. In reality, 3 of the 6 already are, and it's starting to look like in the following years more will be spoken for before the season begins. It really comes down to the fact that nobody in 5A has the ability or the resources to compete with Lafayette and Madison Central. North Hardin did, but then Froedge left. Hopefully the new director can bring them back up. It's also the same in other classes. We know that in 2A Beechwood, Estill, and Glasgow are locks. That leaves 3 open spots. We know that in 3A Murray is going to win, with Russell, Taylor, and likely South Laurel filling up the next 3. That leaves 2 spots open. We know that in 4A Christian, Bourbon, Anderson, and likely Harrison with their recent director pick up will be locks, that leaves 2 spots open. Currently 1A is the only class that could really go to anyone on any given weekend. This proves that 1A and 5A were the only ones who truly benefitted from this hybrid system. 3A had bands not make finals that would have likely made finals in any other class in 2019 and 2021. 4A as well, but a bit more arguably. It is a little better this year, but there will still be a couple of really good bands in 4A, who could make finals in the classes under them, but will be sitting in the stands Saturday night because a handful of directors decided to make it easier for them...allegedly. No argument here! I’m just more open to the possibility that these are accidental negative outcomes of a mistaken policy—as opposed to the deliberate negative outcomes of a belligerent conspiracy. But, you know, it’s probably a belligerent conspiracy. I recall I few years before this change there was a proposal to stay with school size, but give 5A more Finals spots than anyone else. At the time, everyone in 1-4A was against it on principle, but I argued we should just let them have it so they didn’t demand any bigger, more destructive changes. I would rather not have been right about that. Nothing will appease everyone. There have been some truly terrible ideas thrown around during the MBC meetings, and sadly some have snuck through the cracks. |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Sept 10, 2023 14:25:33 GMT -6
09/09/23:
(KMEA) Beechwood Festival of Bands
Fort Mitchell, KY: Beechwood High School
Finals:
1. 74.600: 5A : Larry A. Ryle, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)
2. 67.200: 2A : Lloyd Memorial, KY
3. 67.150: 5A : Dixie Heights, KY (BOA Obetz)
4. 62.050: 2A : North Oldham, KY
5. 61.200: 2A : Mason County, KY
6. 59.050: 1A : Nicholas County, KY
7. 56.200: 1A : Owen County, KY
8. 52.900: 1A : Lewis County, KY
Prelims:
Class AAAAA:
1. 73.850: Larry A. Ryle, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best Perc)
2. 66.800: Dixie Heights, KY
Class AA:
1. 65.500: Lloyd Memorial, KY (Best M, V, and GE)
2. 60.150: Mason County, KY
3. 58.700: North Oldham, KY (Best V) (Best Perc)
Class A:
1. 54.900: Nicholas County, KY (Best GE) (Best Perc)
2. 53.450: Owen County, KY (Best M and V)
3. 50.100: Lewis County, KY
Grand Champion: Larry A. Ryle H.S.
(KMEA) Madison Southern Eagle Classic
Berea, KY: Madison Southern High School
Finals:
01. 79.400: 2A : Estill County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA GN)
02. 74.150: 3A : Adair County, KY
03. 73.150: 3A : Garrard County, KY
04. 70.900: 3A : Boyle County, KY
05. 70.650: 4A : duPont Manual, KY
06. 69.600: 3A : Pulaski County, KY
07. 69.500: 1A : Williamstown Sr., KY
08. 66.600: 3A : Grant County, KY
09. 62.400: 1A : Harlan, KY
10. 60.350: 1A : Powell County, KY
Prelims:
Class AAAA:
1. 69.500: duPont Manual, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)
Class AAA-2:
1. 69.000: Boyle County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best Perc)
2. 65.600: Pulaski County, KY
3. 62.650: Grant County, KY (Best CG)
4. 57.950: East Jessamine, KY
Class AAA-1:
1. 70.550: Adair County, KY (Best M and V) (Best CG and Perc)
2. 69.950: Garrard County, KY (Best GE)
3. 59.000: Wayne County, KY
4. 58.300: Rowan County Sr., KY
Class AA:
1. 76.950: Estill County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)
Class A:
1. 68.100: Williamstown Sr., KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best Perc)
2. 59.950: Powell County, KY
3. 59.250: Harlan, KY (Best Color Guard)
4. 47.250: Casey County, KY
(KMEA) Franklin Simpson Marching Invitational
Franklin, KY: Franklin-Simpson High School
Class AAAAA:
1. 76.950: Grayson County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG) (BOA Obetz)
2. 73.300: McCracken County, KY (Best Percussion)
Class AAAA-2:
1. 79.300: Christian County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA GN)
2. 73.250: South Warren, KY
3. 69.000: Ohio County, KY (BOA GN)
4. 67.500: Allen County Scottsville, KY
Class AAAA-1:
1. 76.300: Muhlenberg County, KY (Best CG and Perc)
2. 71.250: Logan County, KY
3. 67.850: Greenwood, KY
4. 63.500: Springfield, TN
Class AA:
1. 67.300: Russellville, KY
Class A:
1. 58.350: Edmonson County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)
(KMEA) South Central Kentucky Marching Band Classic
Glasgow, KY: Glasgow High School
Class AAAAA:
1. 70.05: North Hardin, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA Louisville)
2. 65.60: Meade County, KY (BOA Louisville)
Class AAAA:
1. 65.70: Southwestern, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA GN)
2. 62.85: Barren County, KY (BOA Louisville)
Class AAA:
1. 67.35: Elizabethtown, KY (Best M and V) (Best CG)
2. 64.85: Warren East, KY (Best GE) (Best Perc)
3. 58.10: Breckinridge County, KY
4. 55.55: Warren Central, KY
Class AA:
1. 47.00: Bardstown, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG)
2. 43.80: Butler County, KY (Best Perc)
Class A:
1. 56.00: Campbellsville, KY (Best M and V) (Best Perc)
2. 55.55: Cumberland County, KY (Best GE) (Best CG)
3. 44.45: Monroe County, KY
4. 44.20: Greene County, KY
(KMEA) Maroon Classic
Madisonville, KY: Madisonville North Hopkins High School
Class AAAAA:
1. 61.250: Henry County, TN (-0.5 Penalty) (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA Memphis)
Class AAAA:
1. 72.350: Daviess County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA Louisville)
2. 67.200: Owensboro, KY
3. 64.350: Marshall County, KY
4. 62.400: Henderson County, KY
Class AAA:
1. 73.250: Murray H.S., KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA Memphis)
2. 59.350: Apollo H.S., KY
Class AA:
1. 66.350: Hancock County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)
2. 63.550: Trigg County, KY
3. 54.400: Caldwell County, KY (-2.5 Penalty)
Class A:
1. 53.100: Union County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)
2. 50.500: Ballard Memorial, KY (Best V) (-1.5 Penalty)
Murray H.S., KY
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Post by philodemus on Sept 14, 2023 7:20:54 GMT -6
So... after the first weekend, it would appear that at least some questions have been answered. Both Anderson and Bourbon have weathered their storms and come out strong... and I think we're all glad to see it.
An underappreciated point I noticed this last weekend was how close Daviess was to Murray at the Madville show. Could be that Murray came out of the gate a little slow, or could be that DC is coming out hot... or maybe a bit of both?
What other storylines do we notice going into Week 2?
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Post by zappak on Sept 14, 2023 15:49:32 GMT -6
So... after the first weekend, it would appear that at least some questions have been answered. Both Anderson and Bourbon have weathered their storms and come out strong... and I think we're all glad to see it. An underappreciated point I noticed this last weekend was how close Daviess was to Murray at the Madville show. Could be that Murray came out of the gate a little slow, or could be that DC is coming out hot... or maybe a bit of both? What other storylines do we notice going into Week 2? That a lot of the scores are a little questionable. Lol. Just some odd numbers being thrown around. Murray had a lackluster performance compared to what I had seen of them previously, and pair that with a better performance from Daviess County I can see them being closer than usual. Daviess County I think will do more along the lines of what they did last year. Come out hot, and start to level out mid season. I still stand by that they should have been in finals last year. Thank you, rogue judge. Dunbar I think is going to be a sleeper for 3rd. They have a great show, nice effect, and are much better than the past few years. I think we're finally starting to see their climb back up to the top. Just have to get those numbers back up. Garrard County has the strongest first week showing that I've seen from them since the 2000s. Excited for them, I think they're going to have a great year. Adair County seems to have come out stronger than last year, which is good to see. Estill County is stellar, having lost their assistant. Taylor was the biggest surprise for me this past weekend. Stellar sound, and really pushing themselves. They might be a hot pick for 2nd in 3A this year, which would be their highest placement in modern times. |
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 16, 2023 13:37:17 GMT -6
My KY Top 10:
1. Lafayette
2. Madison Central
3. Ryle
4. Beechwood
5. Bourbon
6. Estill
7. Anderson
8. Murray
9. Dunbar
10. GRC
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 16, 2023 13:41:01 GMT -6
My KY Top 10: 1. Lafayette 2. Madison Central 3. Ryle 4. Beechwood 5. Bourbon 6. Estill 7. Anderson 8. Murray 9. Dunbar 10. GRC Or North Hardin and Henry Clay could be 9 and 10 just as easily. |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 16, 2023 13:56:14 GMT -6
My KY Top 10: 1. Lafayette 2. Madison Central 3. Ryle 4. Beechwood 5. Bourbon 6. Estill 7. Anderson 8. Murray 9. Dunbar 10. GRC Or North Hardin and Henry Clay could be 9 and 10 just as easily. Did Campbell Co just decide to end marching band or something? |
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Post by zappak on Sept 16, 2023 14:01:50 GMT -6
Or North Hardin and Henry Clay could be 9 and 10 just as easily. Did Campbell Co just decide to end marching band or something? Campbell County regularly gets beat by the bands in this list, as well as by bands outside of this list. They'd probably be in the top 20 in Kentucky, but they just don't compete in KMEA anymore so it's hard to stack them against bands that do compete in KMEA unless they go to MSBA/BOA. |
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 16, 2023 15:15:28 GMT -6
Or North Hardin and Henry Clay could be 9 and 10 just as easily. Did Campbell Co just decide to end marching band or something? Looks like Campbell County bested Anderson and North Hardin in prelims at BOA Louisville today so they're clearly in the mix. I'm just not very familiar with them. |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 16, 2023 15:23:43 GMT -6
Did Campbell Co just decide to end marching band or something? Campbell County regularly gets beat by the bands in this list, as well as by bands outside of this list. They'd probably be in the top 20 in Kentucky, but they just don't compete in KMEA anymore so it's hard to stack them against bands that do compete in KMEA unless they go to MSBA/BOA. They have repeatedly finished as regional finalists, including a second place finish and a class championship last year and a class championship today. Last year at GN, they beat Anderson Co and Bourbon Co by 3 points, NH by 5, and Murray by 9. They are easily a top 10 band in Kentucky and it’s not close. |
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Post by zappak on Sept 16, 2023 15:49:05 GMT -6
Campbell County regularly gets beat by the bands in this list, as well as by bands outside of this list. They'd probably be in the top 20 in Kentucky, but they just don't compete in KMEA anymore so it's hard to stack them against bands that do compete in KMEA unless they go to MSBA/BOA. They have repeatedly finished as regional finalists, including a second place finish and a class championship last year and a class championship today. Last year at GN, they beat Anderson Co and Bourbon Co by 3 points, NH by 5, and Murray by 9. They are easily a top 10 band in Kentucky and it’s not close. We're talking about KMEA and Kentucky bands in the state of Kentucky, not nationally. If we're going to talk about nationally, let us not forget they are quite larger than half the bands in their class that are from Kentucky, and 2A generally doesn't lose to 1A. They have a MUCH larger enrollment pool to pull from than say Anderson County, Harrison County, and others in their class. It's easier to hide mistakes in a larger band. Campbell County isn't the end all be all in Kentucky, and two of the bands you mentioned are in a completely different class, a class that generally doesn't climb higher than 25th (though it has happened on rare occasions). Coming from someone who attends KMEA competitions regularly, Campbell very much loses to Anderson, Bourbon, North Hardin, etc on a regular basis when they meet up. There's a reason that Campbell County doesn't attend KMEA SMBC anymore, and you can find those reasons here. |
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 17, 2023 11:49:27 GMT -6
Beachwood's performance at the Lafayette Invitational yesterday was very impressive. They easily took grand champion as a 2A band ahead of 7 5A bands and Bourbon County in 4A. All the performances are on YouTube.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Sept 18, 2023 17:27:54 GMT -6
09/16/23( KMEA) Lafayette Invitational Band Contest -☁️ 76°F Lexington, KY: Lafayette High School Finals: 01. 79.350: AA :Beechwood, KY (Best M and V) (BOA GN)02. 78.550: AAAAA :Larry A. Ryle, KY ( Best GE) ( Best CG) 03. 75.300: AAAAA :Paul Laurence Dunbar, KY ( Best Perc) 04. 72.150: AAAAA :George Rogers Clark, KY (BOA Johnson City)
05. 72.100: AAAA :Bourbon County, KY (BOA GN)06. 70.800: AAAAA :Henry Clay, KY 07. 70.400: AAAAA :Central Hardin, KY (BOA GN)08. 66.800: AAAAA :Eastern, KY 09. 64.400: AAAAA :Dixie Heights, KY (BOA Obetz)10. 52.200: A :Paris, KY Grand Champion: Beechwood H.S., KYPrelims: Class AAAAA: 1. 75.900: Larry A. Ryle, KY ( Best M) ( Best CG) 2. 74.850: Paul Laurence Dunbar, KY ( Best V and GE) 3. 72.150: George Rogers Clark, KY 4. 71.950: Henry Clay, KY ( Best Percussion) 5. 71.050: Central Hardin, KY 6. 67.450: Eastern, KY 7. 64.500: Dixie Heights, KY Class AAAA: 1. 73.500: Bourbon County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) Class AA: 1. 78.500: Beechwood, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) Class A: 1. 52.350: Paris, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) ( KMEA) Boyle County Rebel Showdown - ☀️ 74°F Danville, KY: Boyle County High School Finals: 1. 82.400: AA :Estill County, KY (BOA GN)2. 78.700: AAA :Taylor County, KY 3. 74.900: AAA :Russell County, KY (BOA Chattanooga)4. 74.550: AAA :Adair County, KY 5. 72.850: AAA :LaRue County, KY (BOA Obetz)6. 70.750: A :Washington County, KY 7. 68.800: AAA :Garrard County, KY 8. 67.700: AAA :Mercer County Senior, KY Prelims: *Gray* mean didn't qualify for Finals.Class AAAA: 1. 67.200: Barren County, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc)Class AAA-1: 1. 76.300: Taylor County, KY ( Best M and GE) ( Best Perc) 2. 74.400: Adair County, KY ( Best Visual) 3. 67.550: Mercer County Senior, KY ( Best CG) 4. 55.400: East Jessamine, KYClass AAA-2: 1. 75.400: Russell County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 73.200: LaRue County, KY 3. 71.050: Garrard County, KY Class AA: 1. 80.400: Estill County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 60.350: Christian Academy of Louisville, KY (BOA Chattanooga) 3. 49.550: Nelson County, KYClass A: 1. 69.650: Washington County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG) 2. 61.200: Lee County, KY
3. 60.250: Campbellsville, KY
4. 56.050: Henry County, KY (Best Perc)67th Ohio County Marching Invitational - ☀️ 80°F Hartford, KY: Ohio County High School Finals: 01. 78.100: Murray, KY (Best M, V, and GE) (Best CG and Perc) (BOA Memphis)02. 75.400: Muhlenburg County, KY 03. 72.400: Owensboro 04. 69.700: Henderson County, KY 05. 67.000: Owensboro Catholic, KY 06. 65.250: McLean County, KY 07. 64.200: Franklin-Simpson, KY 08. 63.000: Todd County Central, KY 09. 62.400: Apollo, KY 10. 58.850: Ballard Memorial, KY Prelims: Class AAAA: 1. 79.050: Murray, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) Class AAA: 1. 75.000: Muhlenberg County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) Class AA: 1. 72.750: Owensboro, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 66.250: Franklin-Simpson, KY Class A-1: 1. 68.050: Owensboro Catholic, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best Perc) 2. 63.150: Todd County Central, KY ( Best Guard) 3. 57.200: Ballard Memorial, KY Class A-2: 1. 70.450: Henderson County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 65.600: McLean County, KY 3. 64.600: Apollo, KY ( KMEA) Christian County Tournament of Bands - 🌥️ 79°F Hopkinsville, KY: Christian County High School Class AAAA: 1. 73.450: Hopkinsville, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 68.850: Calloway County, KY 3. 65.700: Marshall County, KY Class AAA: 1. 64.050: Warren East, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best Perc) 2. 60.050: Breckinridge County, KY ( Best M) ( Best CG) Class AA: 1. 70.650: Hancock County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 65.300: Trigg County, KY 3. 57.750: Caldwell County, KY 4. 50.600: Butler County, KY Class A: 1. 68.500: Mayfield, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 55.650: Union County, KY ( KMEA) Rumble at the Jungle - ☁️ 73°F London, KY: North Laurel High School
Class AAAA: 1. 72.550: Madison Southern, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) 2. 69.100: Southwestern, KY (Best CG and Perc) (BOA GN)
Class AAA: 1. 75.500: South Laurel, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 74.050: Pulaski County, KY 3. 69.500: West Jessamine, KY 4. 55.900: North Bullitt, KY Class AA: 1. 65.700: Corbin, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best Perc) 2. 59.500: Marion County, KY ( Best Color Guard) Class A: 1. 69.250: Somerset, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 63.800: Harlan, KY 3. 51.600: Knox Central, KY ( KMEA) Russellville Show of Bands - ☁️ 75°F Russellville, KY: Russellville High School Class AAAA: 1. 75.700: South Warren, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) 2. 73.850: Logan County, KY ( Best Perc) 3. 69.650: Greenwood, KY ( Best Guard) Class AAA: 1. 67.300: Warren Central, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) Class AA: 1. 58.100: Hopkins County Central, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) Class A: 1. 57.500: Edmonson County, KY ( Best M, V, and GE) ( Best CG and Perc) 2. 54.350: Dawson Springs, KY
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Post by philodemus on Sept 18, 2023 19:06:59 GMT -6
The Lafayette contest had quite the lineup, and the YouTube channel in the post above has just about everyone up for viewing at the moment. Grab a peek before the copyright monster strikes.
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Post by theangrybavarian on Sept 20, 2023 20:29:25 GMT -6
Hello, just want to say that Daviess County's show rep seems really fun. Son Lux, Shofukan, and Tool! For my particular music tastes that sounds awesome. I know that they'll be at Murray State this weekend, does anybody know if it's being streamed anywhere?
Thanks.
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Post by onceacamel2018 on Sept 22, 2023 14:18:21 GMT -6
They have repeatedly finished as regional finalists, including a second place finish and a class championship last year and a class championship today. Last year at GN, they beat Anderson Co and Bourbon Co by 3 points, NH by 5, and Murray by 9. They are easily a top 10 band in Kentucky and it’s not close. We're talking about KMEA and Kentucky bands in the state of Kentucky, not nationally. If we're going to talk about nationally, let us not forget they are quite larger than half the bands in their class that are from Kentucky, and 2A generally doesn't lose to 1A. They have a MUCH larger enrollment pool to pull from than say Anderson County, Harrison County, and others in their class. It's easier to hide mistakes in a larger band. Campbell County isn't the end all be all in Kentucky, and two of the bands you mentioned are in a completely different class, a class that generally doesn't climb higher than 25th (though it has happened on rare occasions). Coming from someone who attends KMEA competitions regularly, Campbell very much loses to Anderson, Bourbon, North Hardin, etc on a regular basis when they meet up. There's a reason that Campbell County doesn't attend KMEA SMBC anymore, and you can find those reasons here. People think Campbell is a larger school than it is. 1,400 students is only 300 more than Anderson and 600+ less than Ryle, Madison, and any Lexington school. They have one of the 3 largest bands in the state and aren’t even top 30 in school enrollment. They aren’t hiding anybody. Hiding kids would be like….marching 60 kids in a 1,000 kid high school like a lot of Kentucky bands do….They are a top 10 band. Probably top 5. They don’t have a lot of money, they don’t have a lot of kids in their high school. Yet they just placed 5th at a heavy BOA regional, 2.4 points behind CASTLE. And they aren’t top 10 in KY? If you factor in student enrollment and financial resources, I don’t know anyone who does it better. Yes I’m biased as an alum, haha. But they are doing outstanding things with what they have. |
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Post by zappak on Sept 22, 2023 16:53:02 GMT -6
We're talking about KMEA and Kentucky bands in the state of Kentucky, not nationally. If we're going to talk about nationally, let us not forget they are quite larger than half the bands in their class that are from Kentucky, and 2A generally doesn't lose to 1A. They have a MUCH larger enrollment pool to pull from than say Anderson County, Harrison County, and others in their class. It's easier to hide mistakes in a larger band. Campbell County isn't the end all be all in Kentucky, and two of the bands you mentioned are in a completely different class, a class that generally doesn't climb higher than 25th (though it has happened on rare occasions). Coming from someone who attends KMEA competitions regularly, Campbell very much loses to Anderson, Bourbon, North Hardin, etc on a regular basis when they meet up. There's a reason that Campbell County doesn't attend KMEA SMBC anymore, and you can find those reasons here. People think Campbell is a larger school than it is. 1,400 students is only 300 more than Anderson and 600+ less than Ryle, Madison, and any Lexington school. They have one of the 3 largest bands in the state and aren’t even top 30 in school enrollment. They aren’t hiding anybody. Hiding kids would be like….marching 60 kids in a 1,000 kid high school like a lot of Kentucky bands do….They are a top 10 band. Probably top 5. They don’t have a lot of money, they don’t have a lot of kids in their high school. Yet they just placed 5th at a heavy BOA regional, 2.4 points behind CASTLE. And they aren’t top 10 in KY? If you factor in student enrollment and financial resources, I don’t know anyone who does it better. Yes I’m biased as an alum, haha. But they are doing outstanding things with what they have. Nobody is saying they AREN'T doing outstanding things with what they have, but if you look at the regular season competitions Campbell regularly loses to bands that are MUCH smaller than they are, bands that you're putting behind them in terms of top 10 quality. I just think it's funny that because of their size and placement at one early season BOA regional they're top 10, when they regularly lose to bands like Bourbon County, Harrison County, Beechwood, and many others in KMEA. They might be top 15, but top 10 they are not. |
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Post by philodemus on Sept 22, 2023 17:06:35 GMT -6
We're talking about KMEA and Kentucky bands in the state of Kentucky, not nationally. If we're going to talk about nationally, let us not forget they are quite larger than half the bands in their class that are from Kentucky, and 2A generally doesn't lose to 1A. They have a MUCH larger enrollment pool to pull from than say Anderson County, Harrison County, and others in their class. It's easier to hide mistakes in a larger band. Campbell County isn't the end all be all in Kentucky, and two of the bands you mentioned are in a completely different class, a class that generally doesn't climb higher than 25th (though it has happened on rare occasions). Coming from someone who attends KMEA competitions regularly, Campbell very much loses to Anderson, Bourbon, North Hardin, etc on a regular basis when they meet up. There's a reason that Campbell County doesn't attend KMEA SMBC anymore, and you can find those reasons here. People think Campbell is a larger school than it is. 1,400 students is only 300 more than Anderson and 600+ less than Ryle, Madison, and any Lexington school. They have one of the 3 largest bands in the state and aren’t even top 30 in school enrollment. They aren’t hiding anybody. Hiding kids would be like….marching 60 kids in a 1,000 kid high school like a lot of Kentucky bands do….They are a top 10 band. Probably top 5. They don’t have a lot of money, they don’t have a lot of kids in their high school. Yet they just placed 5th at a heavy BOA regional, 2.4 points behind CASTLE. And they aren’t top 10 in KY? If you factor in student enrollment and financial resources, I don’t know anyone who does it better. Yes I’m biased as an alum, haha. But they are doing outstanding things with what they have. So, just to preface this, I'm a huge fan of the Camels and I agree with your general point that Campbell is great and deserves to be considered one of the top in the Commonwealth. Top 5 contender for sure. But, some of this other stuff? Like, those 1,000 kid schools that march 60 aren't doing so because they're hiding their hundreds of less good band kids. They would all desperately love to march more kids, but for whatever reason they haven't been able to so far. Campbell deserves praise for being good at recruitment and retention, not for their willingness to put all the available kids out there. Everybody's putting all the kids out there. And, like, I take your point that Campbell is small compared to some of the others in Kentucky 5A, but 1,400 kids in the building is not a small school by Kentucky standards at all. You're all like "We're only 300 kids bigger than Anderson" and Fulton County's like, "Dude, we got 300 kids, period." And, sure, there are richer school populations than Campbell, but in Kentucky not that many. As for who's doing the best if you factor in student enrollment and financial resources, I can think of several bands I would name before Campbell County. Sure, having the third largest band in the state with a student population of 1,400 is impressive, but having the 4th or 5th largest while only having 500-600 in the building is a good deal more impressive. [Hint: look West. Very, very far west.] Again, I am a big fan of Campbell County, not one of those who hates on them for skipping SMBC, and I think they are deserving of all kinds of praise. I just wish they'd come to State because I think they'd be real contenders. |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 22, 2023 18:31:44 GMT -6
People think Campbell is a larger school than it is. 1,400 students is only 300 more than Anderson and 600+ less than Ryle, Madison, and any Lexington school. They have one of the 3 largest bands in the state and aren’t even top 30 in school enrollment. They aren’t hiding anybody. Hiding kids would be like….marching 60 kids in a 1,000 kid high school like a lot of Kentucky bands do….They are a top 10 band. Probably top 5. They don’t have a lot of money, they don’t have a lot of kids in their high school. Yet they just placed 5th at a heavy BOA regional, 2.4 points behind CASTLE. And they aren’t top 10 in KY? If you factor in student enrollment and financial resources, I don’t know anyone who does it better. Yes I’m biased as an alum, haha. But they are doing outstanding things with what they have. Nobody is saying they AREN'T doing outstanding things with what they have, but if you look at the regular season competitions Campbell regularly loses to bands that are MUCH smaller than they are, bands that you're putting behind them in terms of top 10 quality. I just think it's funny that because of their size and placement at one early season BOA regional they're top 10, when they regularly lose to bands like Bourbon County, Harrison County, Beechwood, and many others in KMEA. They might be top 15, but top 10 they are not. No one is “regularly” beating them recently, especially in any circuit with legitimate judging panels. Right now, they’re a whole lot closer than being in the top 5 than they are not being in the top 10. When was the last time any band from Kentucky finished second in a regional or beat a band like Lakota East the way that CC has the last two years? I’ll wait… Last three BOA appearances: 2022 Obetz - Class AA Champion, 2nd place overall 2022 GN - 31st overall, highest placing KY band in prelims 2023 Louisville - Class AA Champion, 5th place overall Come on man… |
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 23, 2023 8:48:56 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how Beechwood and Lafayette stack up at the Ryle Tournament of Bands today. My prediction is that Lafayette will win but by less than a point. Beechwood will take music and Lafayette will take Visual and GE.
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 23, 2023 14:04:19 GMT -6
Here's how I would rank the bands after prelims. Bourbon was much improved from last week.
1. Lafayette
2. Beechwood
3. Bourbon
4. Williamsburg
5. Conner
6. Lloyd Memorial
7. Grant County
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Post by zappak on Sept 23, 2023 15:21:32 GMT -6
This forum is so funny when it comes to bands that don't compete in BOA getting overlooked. Campbell isn't top 10, they're likely top 15, but not top 10 in the state. That's that. Sorry you can't see the forest through the trees, or past your own windows for that matter. It's also funny that people from other states claim to know Kentucky's circuit better than Kentuckians. I'll just leave it at that.
Early season it's easier to beat the larger bands in BOA. It's easier to get within a few points of Castle, or Carmel, or Avon early season. They'll likely be around 15 to 20 points behind come the end of the season, but they're not going to nationals so we can't get that comparison.
When Campbell County wins a regional, let me know. When Campbell County places top 20 at nationals, let me know.
I would love for them to prove me wrong, but until they do, they're not in the top 10.
Lafayette
Madison Central
Ryle
Murray
Beechwood
Estill County
Paul Laurence Dunbar
Henry Clay
Bourbon County
George Rogers Clark
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Post by kywildcat77 on Sept 23, 2023 22:27:49 GMT -6
Finals results at Ryle
1. Lafayette 83.5 (Visual,GE,Music,Guard, Percussion)
2. Beechwood 81.2
3. Bourbon 75.7
4. Lloyd Memorial 64.95
5. Williamstown 61.7
6. Conner 60.95
7. Grant County 56.05
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Post by monkeyman445 on Sept 23, 2023 23:08:12 GMT -6
Finals results at Morehead: Campbell county: 77.050 Henry clay: 76.100 West Jessamine: 66.600 Nicholas county: 66.200 Mason county: 66.100 Pike county central: 65.500 Lee county: 64.900 East jessamine: 61.400 Owen county: 60.000 Rowan county: 59.450 Source: kyband.com/marching/scores/2023/2023Morehead-Finals.pdf |
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Post by monkeyman445 on Sept 23, 2023 23:09:45 GMT -6
Finals results at Morehead: Campbell county: 77.050 Henry clay: 76.100 West Jessamine: 66.600 Nicholas county: 66.200 Mason county: 66.100 Pike county central: 65.500 Lee county: 64.900 East jessamine: 61.400 Owen county: 60.000 Rowan county: 59.450 Source: kyband.com/marching/scores/2023/2023Morehead-Finals.pdfAlso, Campbell won best percussion, music performance, and visual performance, Henry clay won general effect, and Nicholas county won best guard. Forgot that in the original post. |
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Post by monkeyman445 on Sept 23, 2023 23:15:14 GMT -6
This forum is so funny when it comes to bands that don't compete in BOA getting overlooked. Campbell isn't top 10, they're likely top 15, but not top 10 in the state. That's that. Sorry you can't see the forest through the trees, or past your own windows for that matter. It's also funny that people from other states claim to know Kentucky's circuit better than Kentuckians. I'll just leave it at that. Early season it's easier to beat the larger bands in BOA. It's easier to get within a few points of Castle, or Carmel, or Avon early season. They'll likely be around 15 to 20 points behind come the end of the season, but they're not going to nationals so we can't get that comparison. When Campbell County wins a regional, let me know. When Campbell County places top 20 at nationals, let me know. I would love for them to prove me wrong, but until they do, they're not in the top 10. Lafayette Madison Central Ryle Murray Beechwood Estill County Paul Laurence Dunbar Henry Clay Bourbon County George Rogers Clark Seeing as Campbell beat Henry clay at Morehead, does this mean they’re in your top 10 now? Honest question |
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