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Post by paddy on Sept 10, 2023 14:19:08 GMT -6
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 10, 2023 14:22:28 GMT -6
Ok, I’m here for Avon heading “north”. It’s too bad it’s not up at Carroll HS in Fort Wayne again lol
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Post by thewho on Sept 10, 2023 14:29:22 GMT -6
Delta in C was not a name I was expecting to see.
8 for D at Ev. Central... Carroll D better be allowed to advance all 11. D is the last class I would've expected to be struggling for Open Class numbers. Scholastic B bands really missed out on this year, shame.
Awful draw for Perry Meridian at Center Grove A going on first when Decatur Central, Franklin Central, and HSE all are in the second block.
Ev. Central B has all the hard-hitters + Plainfield this year. Fun match-up there.
Avon and Carmel going separate ways, with Avon at Laf Jeff and Carmel at Center Grove.
Elkhart and Lake Central going to be fighting for that last spot at Laf Jeff A. I'm very inclined to say Westfield would be a sure pick for semi-state.
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Post by james50 on Sept 10, 2023 14:29:50 GMT -6
Ok, I’m here for Avon heading “north”. It’s too bad it’s not up at Carroll HS in Fort Wayne again lol Sorry to be dense, why lol? Is there an inside joke here? Just curious. Thanks. |
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Post by thewho on Sept 10, 2023 14:36:24 GMT -6
Ok, I’m here for Avon heading “north”. It’s too bad it’s not up at Carroll HS in Fort Wayne again lol Sorry to be dense, why lol? Is there an inside joke here? Just curious. Thanks. It's just unusual seeing Indy-area bands compete outside of Center Grove, another Indy-area school. Carmel and Avon seem to trade heading north fairly often to the point that both of them competing at CG is pretty rare. EDIT: I've been told that Avon is heading up north for the first time in nearly 30 years. This is a very rare sighting. |
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 10, 2023 14:39:50 GMT -6
Ok, I’m here for Avon heading “north”. It’s too bad it’s not up at Carroll HS in Fort Wayne again lol Sorry to be dense, why lol? Is there an inside joke here? Just curious. Thanks. Because they don’t head up to the northern part of the state during competition season. |
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Post by indyguy8362 on Sept 10, 2023 19:56:10 GMT -6
draws has gotta be rigged, i swear carmel always gets the best draw times.
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Post by paddy on Sept 10, 2023 20:25:48 GMT -6
draws has gotta be rigged, i swear carmel always gets the best draw times. Makes it easier to manage scores for the judges. Really buckle down to score the first 9 then add 3.5 to the the highest score for Carmel. |
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Post by altosandclarinets on Sept 24, 2023 21:08:35 GMT -6
Is this competition for state? Sorry it’s hard keeping track of all the competitions and what they’re for…
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Post by paddy on Sept 24, 2023 21:28:40 GMT -6
Is this competition for state? Sorry it’s hard keeping track of all the competitions and what they’re for… This is the first of 3 weekends of ISSMA competition. |
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Post by bandmom2 on Oct 1, 2023 19:47:56 GMT -6
draws has gotta be rigged, i swear carmel always gets the best draw times. Agreed. Carmel had the final performance time last year for regionals as well. *scratches head in confusion* And they will probably get a super early semi-state time so they can have a leisurely ride to Lucas Oil for the super regional. |
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Post by warehouse314 on Oct 1, 2023 20:05:47 GMT -6
draws has gotta be rigged, i swear carmel always gets the best draw times. Agreed. Carmel had the final performance time last year for regionals as well. *scratches head in confusion* And they will probably get a super early semi-state time so they can have a leisurely ride to Lucas Oil for the super regional. I'm really hoping that this is just a bad attempt at sarcasm... if not, I guess those who rig Carmel's performance times for their benefit weren't working for State Finals draw in 2021 and 2022. |
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Post by altosandclarinets on Oct 1, 2023 20:07:36 GMT -6
Agreed. Carmel had the final performance time last year for regionals as well. *scratches head in confusion* And they will probably get a super early semi-state time so they can have a leisurely ride to Lucas Oil for the super regional. I'm really hoping that this is just a bad attempt at sarcasm... if not, I guess those who rig Carmel's performance times for their benefit weren't working for State Finals draw in 2021 and 2022. I mean they make finals anyway because they are good, so I don’t see how a time slot can affect them at all anyways…. |
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Post by thewho on Oct 2, 2023 8:30:43 GMT -6
Regionals weekend!!!
I've been much more excited about this year than in the past. Indiana had improved by leaps coming into this year and the cream of the crop in B and A is some of the best ISSMA has seen in years.
Unfortunately, I'm skipping out on C and D because I haven't followed those as closely with B and A this year. My shortlist for C is: Boonville, Beech Grove, Princeton, Western, Edgewood, NorthWood, Fairfield, and Concordia Lutheran. Shortlist for D is: Lewis Cass, Triton, Jimtown, and genuinely the entire South Class D regional lineup.
Here's what I'm thinking for B (Slashes NOT ordered):
Ev. North (S1)/Greenwood (S2)/Northview (S3) /Greenfield-Central (S4)*
Jasper (S5)
Concord (N1)/Pendleton Heights (N2)
F.J. Reitz (S6)
Plainfield (S7)/Bloomington North (S8)/Munster (N3)/North Side (N4)/DeKalb (N5)**
Mt. Vernon (S9)/New Pal (N10)/Northridge (N6)/Plymouth (N7)/East Noble (N8)
Ev. Harrison (S11)/Huntington North (N9)/Columbia City (N10)/Lebanon (N11)
*No general order S1-S4 (all interchangeable)... but I do favor Ev. North over others ever so slightly.
**I've got nothing results-wise for N3-N11 on to rightfully compare. This is just historical gut instincts here.
And for A (Slashes ordered):
Carmel (S1)/Avon (N1)
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Brownsburg (N2)/Fishers (S2)
Castle (S3)/Center Grove (S4)/Carroll (N3)*/Homestead (N4)
Westfield (N5)/Noblesville (N6)
Lawrence Township (S5)**/Goshen (N7)
----------------------------(EXTREMELY TINY GAP)***
Floyd Central (S6)/Penn (N8)/Columbus (S7)
Franklin Central (S7)/Ben Davis (N9)/Decatur Central (S8)/Hamilton Southeastern (S9)
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Whiteland (S10)/Perry Meridian (S11) /Elkhart (N10)/Lake Central (N11)
*Castle generally favored... but I'm not putting CG, Carroll, or Homestead catching them out of the question yet.
**I don't think beating the tier above is completely out of reach for LT yet...
***But I don't think the bands below LT/Goshen are too far behind either. I just favor those 2 by a smidge.
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Post by bandmom2 on Oct 2, 2023 9:58:30 GMT -6
I would not count Homestead out for the N3 spot. Saturday night was a statement for them. They scored a 79.9 (most official number I’ve heard - numbers float between 79.5 and 79.9). Impossible to compare to the numbers Carroll posted at Fishers that night. It could go either way. I don’t know what happened a few weeks ago when Penn bested Goshen, if that was just an off night for Goshen or if there was a penalty? Haven’t seen Penn’s show yet to know how they are looking. Definitely going to be a great show at Lafayette Jefferson! |
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Post by thewho on Oct 2, 2023 10:14:07 GMT -6
I would not count Homestead out for the N3 spot. Saturday night was a statement for them. They scored a 79.9 (most official number I’ve heard - numbers float between 79.5 and 79.9). Impossible to compare to the numbers Carroll posted at Fishers that night. It could go either way. I don’t know what happened a few weeks ago when Penn bested Goshen, if that was just an off night for Goshen or if there was a penalty? Haven’t seen Penn’s show yet to know how they are looking. Definitely going to be a great show at Lafayette Jefferson! Certainly! Thing was... I wasn't comparing #'s directly. Carroll had a sizeable lead on Homestead at their invitational (which yes, I get the argument that it's their own invitational, fair enough) AND came within striking distance of Castle. Homestead did jump ahead of Goshen, but a fairly smaller margin than Carroll over Homestead (I would say at least 2 points over Goshen would've been enough). That's enough for me personally to think Carroll has something substantial going on here to put them up with Castle and CG. The caveat here, though, is Carroll can finish the season strong. I think in some ways Carroll tends to flatten towards the end, but I got the impression they had aimed mostly for consistency and making sure the program was ready for the big leap when it comes. This year seems like it's one where they're going for the big fish, and so far the scores are tracking pretty well for them. Not to say Homestead doesn't have anything up their sleeves yet! We still have roughly 4 weeks before state, and 5 before GN. Things can change in the meanwhile. The scores simply suggest Homestead isn't quite where they want to be RIGHT NOW, perhaps not in the future. I've been higher on Penn this year than in the past. I can see them climbing if they have the statement they're looking for at these ISSMA comps, but also they're in the thick of things. Floyd Central and Columbus are difficult peers to beat right now. |
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Post by bandmom2 on Oct 2, 2023 10:37:22 GMT -6
I would not count Homestead out for the N3 spot. Saturday night was a statement for them. They scored a 79.9 (most official number I’ve heard - numbers float between 79.5 and 79.9). Impossible to compare to the numbers Carroll posted at Fishers that night. It could go either way. I don’t know what happened a few weeks ago when Penn bested Goshen, if that was just an off night for Goshen or if there was a penalty? Haven’t seen Penn’s show yet to know how they are looking. Definitely going to be a great show at Lafayette Jefferson! Certainly! Thing was... I wasn't comparing #'s directly. Carroll had a sizeable lead on Homestead at their invitational (which yes, I get the argument that it's their own invitational, fair enough) AND came within striking distance of Castle. Homestead did jump ahead of Goshen, but a fairly smaller margin than Carroll over Homestead (I would say at least 2 points over Goshen would've been enough). That's enough for me personally to think Carroll has something substantial going on here to put them up with Castle and CG. The caveat here, though, is Carroll can finish the season strong. I think in some ways Carroll tends to flatten towards the end, but I got the impression they had aimed mostly for consistency and making sure the program was ready for the big leap when it comes. This year seems like it's one where they're going for the big fish, and so far the scores are tracking pretty well for them. Not to say Homestead doesn't have anything up their sleeves yet! We still have roughly 4 weeks before state, and 5 before GN. Things can change in the meanwhile. The scores simply suggest Homestead isn't quite where they want to be RIGHT NOW, perhaps not in the future. I've been higher on Penn this year than in the past. I can see them climbing if they have the statement they're looking for at these ISSMA comps, but also they're in the thick of things. Floyd Central and Columbus are difficult peers to beat right now. All very valid points. Homestead is scoring above where they did this point last year, so that is very promising. They (and probably Carroll) were at a practice disadvantage last week because of weather, so Homestead definitely did not get to where they wanted to be Saturday night, but still had a huge jump in score. Carroll’s show is beautiful, and I think there is potential for both them and Homestead to pass Castle (Homestead managed it at GN prelims last year with a weaker show from a visual standpoint compared to this year.) Can’t wait to see their performances again this weekend. |
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Post by thewho on Oct 2, 2023 13:21:05 GMT -6
Certainly! Thing was... I wasn't comparing #'s directly. Carroll had a sizeable lead on Homestead at their invitational (which yes, I get the argument that it's their own invitational, fair enough) AND came within striking distance of Castle. Homestead did jump ahead of Goshen, but a fairly smaller margin than Carroll over Homestead (I would say at least 2 points over Goshen would've been enough). That's enough for me personally to think Carroll has something substantial going on here to put them up with Castle and CG. The caveat here, though, is Carroll can finish the season strong. I think in some ways Carroll tends to flatten towards the end, but I got the impression they had aimed mostly for consistency and making sure the program was ready for the big leap when it comes. This year seems like it's one where they're going for the big fish, and so far the scores are tracking pretty well for them. Not to say Homestead doesn't have anything up their sleeves yet! We still have roughly 4 weeks before state, and 5 before GN. Things can change in the meanwhile. The scores simply suggest Homestead isn't quite where they want to be RIGHT NOW, perhaps not in the future. I've been higher on Penn this year than in the past. I can see them climbing if they have the statement they're looking for at these ISSMA comps, but also they're in the thick of things. Floyd Central and Columbus are difficult peers to beat right now. All very valid points. Homestead is scoring above where they did this point last year, so that is very promising. They (and probably Carroll) were at a practice disadvantage last week because of weather, so Homestead definitely did not get to where they wanted to be Saturday night, but still had a huge jump in score. Carroll’s show is beautiful, and I think there is potential for both them and Homestead to pass Castle (Homestead managed it at GN prelims last year with a weaker show from a visual standpoint compared to this year.) Can’t wait to see their performances again this weekend. I'm much more inclined to push Homestead further up now. 🙂 Glad to see they reached that point quickly already! |
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Post by bandmom2 on Oct 2, 2023 14:21:40 GMT -6
All very valid points. Homestead is scoring above where they did this point last year, so that is very promising. They (and probably Carroll) were at a practice disadvantage last week because of weather, so Homestead definitely did not get to where they wanted to be Saturday night, but still had a huge jump in score. Carroll’s show is beautiful, and I think there is potential for both them and Homestead to pass Castle (Homestead managed it at GN prelims last year with a weaker show from a visual standpoint compared to this year.) Can’t wait to see their performances again this weekend. I'm much more inclined to push Homestead further up now. 🙂 Glad to see they reached that point quickly already! I have to say I respected your list at the start - Carroll has a great show and they are performing at a high level, just offering more information from what happened over the weekend. Class A has stepped it up to a HUGE degree from what we have seen this year and there are only a handful of bands (Carmel, Avon, Fishers, Brownsburg) who should feel really ‘safe’ in making state. There may be very small margins between bands 7-10 and the first band out this year. |
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Post by altosandclarinets on Oct 2, 2023 15:34:26 GMT -6
Thing was... I wasn't comparing #'s directly. Carroll had a sizeable lead on Homestead at their invitational (which yes, I get the argument that it's their own invitational, fair enough) AND came within striking distance of Castle. Homestead did jump ahead of Goshen, but a fairly smaller margin than Carroll over Homestead (I would say at least 2 points over Goshen would've been enough). That's enough for me personally to think Carroll has something substantial going on here to put them up with Castle and CG.[ Goshen got a 77 so they beat them by more than 2 points in case you were wondering.  |
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Post by bandmom2 on Oct 2, 2023 15:42:47 GMT -6
Goshen got a 77 so they beat them by more than 2 points in case you were wondering. Yeah, that’s more than two points. Interesting. |
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Post by yeeyas on Oct 3, 2023 9:47:04 GMT -6
Goshen got a 77 so they beat them by more than 2 points in case you were wondering. Yeah, that’s more than two points. Interesting. Goshen Placed higher then they did last weekend so closer to 78 |
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Post by paddy on Oct 3, 2023 10:00:46 GMT -6
The only thing more worthless than regional placings is semi state placings. Get your top 10 and advance.
Until you get 10 bands in the LOS controlled environment you won’t find out who the top bands are.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 3, 2023 11:11:02 GMT -6
The only thing more worthless than regional placings is semi state placings. Get your top 10 and advance. Until you get 10 bands in the LOS controlled environment you won’t find out who the top bands are. Second that. Regional scoring/judging is notoriuosly bad, and I'd not read anything into this weekend's placements. I'm not sure if they simply don't bother getting decent judges for these events, or what. But nearly every year we see some WTF results at regionals. My favorite was in 2014 when Homestead "beat" Carmel at the North Regional, and Carmel didn't even get a distinction in Music. One week later Carmel won the music caption at the Indy Super prelims. |
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Post by paddy on Oct 3, 2023 12:01:45 GMT -6
The only thing more worthless than regional placings is semi state placings. Get your top 10 and advance. Until you get 10 bands in the LOS controlled environment you won’t find out who the top bands are. Second that. Regional scoring/judging is notoriuosly bad, and I'd not read anything into this weekend's placements. I'm not sure if they simply don't bother getting decent judges for these events, or what. But nearly every year we see some WTF results at regionals. My favorite was in 2014 when Homestead "beat" Carmel at the North Regional, and Carmel didn't even get a distinction in Music. One week later Carmel won the music caption at the Indy Super prelims. It is really a matter of demand for judges. This weekend you have: 4 ISSMA sites - 16 judges 5 BOA Regionals - 30 judges The Broken Arrow show - 5 judges Festival of Bands in SD And this doesn’t consider the other local circuits. AND ISSMA usually works a system where semi state and state judges don’t work regionals or avoid regionals of the groups they will judge at future events. There simply isn’t enough good judges to go around even if you tried to get good judges. |
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 3, 2023 12:33:10 GMT -6
The only thing more worthless than regional placings is semi state placings. Get your top 10 and advance. Until you get 10 bands in the LOS controlled environment you won’t find out who the top bands are. Second that. Regional scoring/judging is notoriuosly bad, and I'd not read anything into this weekend's placements. I'm not sure if they simply don't bother getting decent judges for these events, or what. But nearly every year we see some WTF results at regionals. My favorite was in 2014 when Homestead "beat" Carmel at the North Regional, and Carmel didn't even get a distinction in Music. One week later Carmel won the music caption at the Indy Super prelims. I was at that regional. I will say that is probably the worst run I have ever seen Carmel have at a live performance. There was a YouTube video of it up a few years ago and it was very interesting to re-watch. You’re definitely right though. Regionals always has some very crazy results for some reason. |
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Post by altosandclarinets on Oct 3, 2023 13:32:45 GMT -6
Goshen got a 77 so they beat them by more than 2 points in case you were wondering. Yeah, that’s more than two points. Interesting. Goshen Placed higher then they did last weekend so closer to 78 Probably 77. Something but I know there was a decent gap. |
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Post by altosandclarinets on Oct 3, 2023 13:37:50 GMT -6
The only thing more worthless than regional placings is semi state placings. Get your top 10 and advance. Until you get 10 bands in the LOS controlled environment you won’t find out who the top bands are. Agreed. And there has always been the problem of bands starting strong and flattening out towards the end. So I really don’t count the scores at small invitationals or regionals till finals. When all the bands are judged by one panel. Don’t even get me started on the whole 2 panel and if you get the judges at a bad time your doomed problem…. I guess we will have to see at the real ISSMA event because the scores are looking wonky right now and up and down. And with them all being judges by different panels with different bias’ and sometimes score sheets it’s impossible to make a accurate judgement till state week. |
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