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Post by yayband914 on Apr 10, 2024 8:13:18 GMT -6
Maybe I'm dumb but this has always been something that has bothered me. If you're spending the money to make a trip to Indianapolis, especially as an out of state group with a 11 hour drive, why would you not just go to GN? The most obvious thought is a football game or some other obligation that weekend, but if it isn't that (which I don't think it is for Wando) why not GN? My first thought is they know they could make finals at Indy Super and considering how stacked GN is this year and how stacked it was the last time they went and missed out by one spot... nvm I think I answered my own question I'm pretty sure that Bobby Lambert, Director of Bands over at Wando, talked on his podcast about how much missing Finals by one spot affected him personally. It was a pretty candid conversation. Maybe this is their way of easing themselves back into things? I never understood how the mostly subjective opinions of seven individuals could affect someone that personally. We love band, but it’s… just band. |
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Post by rickyrosay on Apr 10, 2024 8:20:26 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that Bobby Lambert, Director of Bands over at Wando, talked on his podcast about how much missing Finals by one spot affected him personally. It was a pretty candid conversation. Maybe this is their way of easing themselves back into things? That was a shock to even those of us from JFB. The Cabinet of Curiosities show was my favorite from ‘21. I was sure it would make finals. We were pulling hard for them at GN’s; JFB has a ton of respect for that program. Hell, Wando carries the state of SC on its back nationally. That was a really good Wando group. I absolutely understand the feeling of not advancing by tenths of points. It can hurt for sure. But I think 21 just proved that anyone can fall victim to performance time. Wando Being the first group off the line for the top 22 and then being immediately followed by Blue Springs and like, the Woodlands? It's hard to manage numbers like that. Someone is going to miss out unfortunately. One thought I had is a double panel. Now, I don't think that a double panel solves everything. But, I do like how WGI has double panels. They tend to balance out irregularities. I know that's a logistical nightmare. But I'm not sure anyone would be mad at just making sure the right 12 are in. Or make Nationals, The show that has 110 groups attending, a 14 finalist show. Again logistics blah blah blah I get it. There are just so many good groups! |
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Post by scbanddad on Apr 10, 2024 8:35:40 GMT -6
Maybe I'm dumb but this has always been something that has bothered me. If you're spending the money to make a trip to Indianapolis, especially as an out of state group with a 11 hour drive, why would you not just go to GN? The most obvious thought is a football game or some other obligation that weekend, but if it isn't that (which I don't think it is for Wando) why not GN? My first thought is they know they could make finals at Indy Super and considering how stacked GN is this year and how stacked it was the last time they went and missed out by one spot... nvm I think I answered my own question LOL - yes by the looks of it, Wando was hit by the same small freshman class issue that DB was hit with this year. Not to say they wouldn't have made finals in 2023 (or even 2022, but that was clearly a state show). Either way they're a bubble band at the moment anyway you cut for GN finals. I do think this Indy super regional is somewhat competition avoidance, but it gears the kids up for a possible GN run the following year or 2026. Hopefully 2025 as they recover some numbers and settle back into a new normal for them. If I were Bobby, I probably would have just gone to GN anyway since I thought they were fantastic last year (just a bit on the smaller side). But I'm sure he knows what's best. I can speak a bit to this but obviously not to exacts. My thoughts are that the band is still a bit small to make a GN run, and the last kids with GN experience are graduating this year. I think some are a bit disappointed at no GN next year, but I think this approach makes sense. Get the kids some experience with making that sort of trip and performing indoors, then add in a nice-sized freshman class the following year and make a GN run. |
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Post by rickyrosay on Apr 10, 2024 8:52:01 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that Bobby Lambert, Director of Bands over at Wando, talked on his podcast about how much missing Finals by one spot affected him personally. It was a pretty candid conversation. Maybe this is their way of easing themselves back into things? I never understood how the mostly subjective opinions of seven individuals could affect someone that personally. We love band, but it’s… just band. I think it's probably just like anything. When you put a lot of time, effort, energy into something and to come up a little short, I think you're allowed to be bummed out by it. I've been on staffs that have been tenths away from advancing, and tenths away from winning and everything inbetween. The coming up short does sting each time. But it also stings a little less each time. If that was Bobby's first time experiencing that type of let down and on that stage? It can hit you hard and that's okay. It's a sign of passion and dedication. |
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Post by yayband914 on Apr 10, 2024 9:27:04 GMT -6
I never understood how the mostly subjective opinions of seven individuals could affect someone that personally. We love band, but it’s… just band. I think it's probably just like anything. When you put a lot of time, effort, energy into something and to come up a little short, I think you're allowed to be bummed out by it. I've been on staffs that have been tenths away from advancing, and tenths away from winning and everything inbetween. The coming up short does sting each time. But it also stings a little less each time. If that was Bobby's first time experiencing that type of let down and on that stage? It can hit you hard and that's okay. It's a sign of passion and dedication. I’m quite involved in the activity and am weary of letting such feelings eat away. It can burn but it really doesn’t define you as a person or the programs you work with. |
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Post by paddy on Apr 10, 2024 13:34:55 GMT -6
I think it's probably just like anything. When you put a lot of time, effort, energy into something and to come up a little short, I think you're allowed to be bummed out by it. I've been on staffs that have been tenths away from advancing, and tenths away from winning and everything inbetween. The coming up short does sting each time. But it also stings a little less each time. If that was Bobby's first time experiencing that type of let down and on that stage? It can hit you hard and that's okay. It's a sign of passion and dedication. I’m quite involved in the activity and am weary of letting such feelings eat away. It can burn but it really doesn’t define you as a person or the programs you work with. We literally have a message board dedicated to cussing and discussing this activity. People criticize, lionize, and publicize the doings of these high school band kids and their directors. It is not surprising at all that it affects the participants in this way. Heck, there is a director in the area that I have dealings with who bases 90% (or scarily more) of their self worth on the results of their competition groups. By no means is it healthy, but it is more than individuals not letting results them affect them. |
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 10, 2024 16:21:08 GMT -6
I get it from Bobby’s perspective. He came into a grand nationals finals program in 2014 built fresh by Scott Rush and into a community that I’m sure judged him (2015 I’m sure didn’t help but that was hurricane related).
However he also brought the band to its top 6 placement at GN in 2018, Midwest in 2019.
Nobody could have predicted covid and Wando had a school split going on then too, two large factors that would harm any band and they were still 13th by .05 in 2021!!
Remember, Wando went on FIRST in the top 22. I was sitting there with another band fan and we both walked away with Wando right on the edge. The 16.70 in ensemble visual was harsh, but there were some drill misses in the begining and the end 🤷♂️. The trumpets in the ballad were still somewhat struggling. In that field with those competitors - those mistakes CANNOT happen
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Post by srv1084 on Apr 10, 2024 19:14:06 GMT -6
Having results like that can carry a different weight depending on which side of the aisle you're experiencing the activity. I've missed finals by tenths as a performer, and while the experience stung, it was short-lived and easy to get over. I've then missed finals by a small amount while teaching, and that one stuck with me for a while. It wasn't about personal achievement, it was about feeling like I let others down or should have found a way to do more for the performers. That feeling can carry a lot of weight, so I can understand where Bobby's coming from in that sound bite. Easing his students back in may be the best move for the program.
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Post by es203 on Apr 10, 2024 21:36:21 GMT -6
Maybe I'm dumb but this has always been something that has bothered me. If you're spending the money to make a trip to Indianapolis, especially as an out of state group with a 11 hour drive, why would you not just go to GN? The most obvious thought is a football game or some other obligation that weekend, but if it isn't that (which I don't think it is for Wando) why not GN? My first thought is they know they could make finals at Indy Super and considering how stacked GN is this year and how stacked it was the last time they went and missed out by one spot... nvm I think I answered my own question I'm pretty sure that Bobby Lambert, Director of Bands over at Wando, talked on his podcast about how much missing Finals by one spot affected him personally. It was a pretty candid conversation. Maybe this is their way of easing themselves back into things? Any idea where I might find said podcast episode? |
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Post by rickyrosay on Apr 11, 2024 6:47:42 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure that Bobby Lambert, Director of Bands over at Wando, talked on his podcast about how much missing Finals by one spot affected him personally. It was a pretty candid conversation. Maybe this is their way of easing themselves back into things? Any idea where I might find said podcast episode? I’m pretty sure it’s episode 49 “The Courage to Fail.” From, That Band Life. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/49-the-courage-to-fail/id1454082646?i=1000548249590For all the Apple podcasters out there lol But if there’s anything I respect about Bobby, it’s the fact he was willing to put words to something a lot people feel and did so on a very public forum. Gotta give it up to him for that. Anything and everything we do can be summed up with, “well .. it’s just (insert whatever it is you do here)” but to be really excellent at something? Whatever your thing is, it has to matter to you more than that. And when it matters, there are real life emotions tied to it. No matter how silly it may seem at times. |
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Post by suburbanbandfan on Apr 11, 2024 23:54:44 GMT -6
Possible/Rumor: Mahomet-Seymour HS, IL
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Post by paddy on Apr 12, 2024 11:48:26 GMT -6
Possible/Rumor: Mahomet-Seymour HS, IL They were slated to attend in 2022 (I think) but had transportation issues. |
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Post by dbalash on Apr 15, 2024 15:22:21 GMT -6
Potential/Rumored:Lake Park H.S., IL Out. For the first time in 40ish years, it looks like Lake Park will not be doing any BOA events. |
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 16, 2024 10:53:23 GMT -6
Wow that Podcast (ep. 49) is really enlightening. Good listen for everyone
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Post by bigblue2019 on Apr 19, 2024 12:34:44 GMT -6
Perry Meridian (staff member, Facebook post)
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Post by bigtrombone on Apr 22, 2024 17:50:17 GMT -6
My way-too-early Top 20 for this Super Regional:
1. Avon H.S., IN
2. Carmel H.S., IN
3. Blue Springs H.S., MO (assuming they attend)
4. William Mason H.S., OH
5. Wando H.S., SC
6. Brownsburg H.S., IN
7. Owasso H.S., OK
8. Fishers H.S., IN
9. Castle H.S., IN
10. Homestead H.S., IN
11. Carroll H.S., IN
12. Goshen H.S., IN
13. Centerville H.S., OH (assuming they attend)
14. Choctaw H.S., OK
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15. Bixby H.S, OK
16. Center Grove H.S., IN
17. Brandon Valley H.S., SD
18. Noblesville H.S., IN
19. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL
20. Independence H.S., VA
My opinion will definitely change. Once the enrollment lists come out in 2.5 months, I'll have a more definitive prediction.
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Post by coleeich on Apr 22, 2024 18:26:25 GMT -6
I really hate to over-hype Bixby, but I do have high hopes for them this year. With the new design team, I feel like we could possibly see a significant increase in their placement.
Also heard a rumor that another Oklahoma band (new to BOA) may be attending this SR, but no official word yet. Fingers crossed!
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Post by lostinthebands on Apr 22, 2024 20:54:07 GMT -6
I really hate to over-hype Bixby, but I do have high hopes for them this year. With the new design team, I feel like we could possibly see a significant increase in their placement. Also heard a rumor that another Oklahoma band (new to BOA) may be attending this SR, but no official word yet. Fingers crossed! new member joining the Oklahoma Invasion?!?! Christmas came early!! |
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Post by lostinthebands on Apr 22, 2024 20:56:52 GMT -6
My way-too-early Top 20 for this Super Regional: 19. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL from getting 15th last year at Indy to predicting them in 19th… whilst I wouldn’t say it’s unlikely, I really hope they have a good show this year and get back in the finals bubble for Indy super this year 😅 |
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Post by realjsnacks on Apr 22, 2024 22:21:40 GMT -6
I really hate to over-hype Bixby, but I do have high hopes for them this year. With the new design team, I feel like we could possibly see a significant increase in their placement. Also heard a rumor that another Oklahoma band (new to BOA) may be attending this SR, but no official word yet. Fingers crossed! My money's on one of the Edmonds. Would love to see Santa Fe here! |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 22, 2024 23:39:24 GMT -6
I really hate to over-hype Bixby, but I do have high hopes for them this year. With the new design team, I feel like we could possibly see a significant increase in their placement. Also heard a rumor that another Oklahoma band (new to BOA) may be attending this SR, but no official word yet. Fingers crossed! My money's on one of the Edmonds. Would love to see Santa Fe here! Well both North and Memorial both competed at St. Louis, so that just leaves Santa Fe. I would love to see one of the Norman schools. |
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Post by redteam1114 on Apr 23, 2024 11:07:10 GMT -6
My way-too-early Top 20 for this Super Regional: 19. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL from getting 15th last year at Indy to predicting them in 19th… whilst I wouldn’t say it’s unlikely, I really hope they have a good show this year and get back in the finals bubble for Indy super this year 😅 Should be a great show, but it'll absolutely be tougher to get in. If the bands anticipated to come do attend, you're potentially swapping out 3 finalists (Union, Lakota West, Lincoln) for 6 bands that will/could make it in (Blue Springs, Wando, Owasso, Homestead, Carroll, Goshen). What's great, like bigtrombone said, we'll have our predictions change in two and a half months, and all throughout the season! |
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Post by macwinlin on Apr 23, 2024 13:59:23 GMT -6
I really hate to over-hype Bixby, but I do have high hopes for them this year. With the new design team, I feel like we could possibly see a significant increase in their placement. Also heard a rumor that another Oklahoma band (new to BOA) may be attending this SR, but no official word yet. Fingers crossed! I'm thinking it will be more of a transition year for Bixby. As some others have mentioned, I'll be interested in seeing if they still look like Bixby with the new design team. Is the rumor regarding Edmond Memorial? I think someone in that group hinted Indy on IG a while back. |
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Post by coleeich on Apr 23, 2024 14:10:31 GMT -6
I really hate to over-hype Bixby, but I do have high hopes for them this year. With the new design team, I feel like we could possibly see a significant increase in their placement. Also heard a rumor that another Oklahoma band (new to BOA) may be attending this SR, but no official word yet. Fingers crossed! I'm thinking it will be more of a transition year for Bixby. As some others have mentioned, I'll be interested in seeing if they still look like Bixby with the new design team. Is the rumor regarding Edmond Memorial? I think someone in that group hinted Indy on IG a while back. It is not Edmond Memorial, although they are confirmed for the St. Louis SR. Edmond Santa Fe is rumored. I would actually say they are more confirmed to be attending a BOA event, but not sure if it is officially this one or not. On their school's website, there is a marching band rehearsal listed that says "Rehearsals to prepare for the Bands of America Regional Marching Competition" Their fall break falls on this weekend, so there is a decent likelihood this will be the contest they attend. |
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Post by averagetpt on Apr 23, 2024 20:06:18 GMT -6
My way-too-early Top 20 for this Super Regional: 19. Lincoln-Way Community H.S., IL I think I'd put LW closer to the finals bubble (14-16ish range). Missing finals last year by 0.5 was unfortunate and this year will be tougher, but I still wouldn't count out this band just yet. It is way too early to be making serious predictions though, so we'll have to see as the season progresses. I anticipate massive shake-ups in the predictions by the time Indy rolls around. The finals bubble this year will be insanely competitive. Lots of bands that likely would've made it any other year will miss out. |
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 23, 2024 20:43:51 GMT -6
What happened to LW last year? That show was nothing compared to their pervious shows. Was it a new design team or new director or a lower budget?
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Post by averagetpt on Apr 23, 2024 21:02:17 GMT -6
I think it was more so because their budget was significantly lower in combination with a relatively new and rearranged staff that had to adapt to their roles. They were saving money for the 2025 Rose Parade and it appears that they will have a significantly higher budget this year judging by the competitions that they will be attending. I do agree that last year was abnormal compared to their previous shows (I wouldn't call it "nothing" though). They made solid strides in music (placing 7th at Indy in that category last year), but their visual and GE was significantly lower than normal (16th in visual / 15th in GE), likely because of a new visual staff. I do anticipate that the music will remain high and their visuals will go up as the staff settles in. With that will come the GE.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Apr 23, 2024 22:36:36 GMT -6
I think it was more so because their budget was significantly lower in combination with a relatively new and rearranged staff that had to adapt to their roles. They were saving money for the 2025 Rose Parade and it appears that they will have a significantly higher budget this year judging by the competitions that they will be attending. I do agree that last year was abnormal compared to their previous shows (I wouldn't call it "nothing" though). They made solid strides in music (placing 7th at Indy in that category last year), but their visual and GE was significantly lower than normal (16th in visual / 15th in GE), likely because of a new visual staff. I do anticipate that the music will remain high and their visuals will go up as the staff settles in. With that will come the GE. When I say "nothing compared to their previous shows" I was talking more your amazing colorful palette used during your shows that really added to your show's visual component. Plus, your usage of your different colored sides uniforms was always done quite effectively. Just always top tier visually for Example, 2022 u guys at GN Semi got 11th Visually and 12th place in VGE, and 4th in V and VGE at 2019 Indy SR beating Homestead, Lawrence Township, Castle, Center Grove, and O'Fallon Township, but u guys last year wasn't the same. |
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Post by averagetpt on Apr 23, 2024 22:51:16 GMT -6
I think it was more so because their budget was significantly lower in combination with a relatively new and rearranged staff that had to adapt to their roles. They were saving money for the 2025 Rose Parade and it appears that they will have a significantly higher budget this year judging by the competitions that they will be attending. I do agree that last year was abnormal compared to their previous shows (I wouldn't call it "nothing" though). They made solid strides in music (placing 7th at Indy in that category last year), but their visual and GE was significantly lower than normal (16th in visual / 15th in GE), likely because of a new visual staff. I do anticipate that the music will remain high and their visuals will go up as the staff settles in. With that will come the GE. When I say "nothing compared to their previous shows" I was talking more your amazing colorful palette used during your shows that really added to your show's visual component. Plus, your usage of your different colored sides uniforms was always done quite effectively. Just always top tier visually for Example, 2022 u guys at GN Semi got 11th Visually and 12th place in VGE, and 4th in V and VGE at 2019 Indy SR beating Homestead, Lawrence Township, Castle, Center Grove, and O'Fallon Township, but u guys last year wasn't the same. Yeah, all good. I agree that last year wasn't the same visually, it seemed to lack the creativity and execution that the previous 8 or so years has given us. If they can get their visual and GE back to the top-tier levels that we've seen in the past, I think they are a strong Grand Nationals Semi-Finalist band. Thanks for your input. |
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Post by dbalash on Apr 24, 2024 12:48:22 GMT -6
Confirmed:
Leo, IN
Source: Band calendar
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