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Post by oldbandguy on Feb 12, 2024 14:55:16 GMT -6
For whomever is interested, fresh off the presses:
A proposal has been raised that is under legitimate consideration and likelihood that starting either this fall or the fall of 2025 (details are being finalized), a new classification system will be put in place that will create a "6A" class. This will include the 20 largest schools by enrollment in the state. Although it shouldn't really shake up the usual 5A programs that have been classed as such in the last 3-5 years (the ones that will get bumped up to 6A), there will probably be a noticeable shake up in classifications 1A-5A.
Also on a side note, Director Moss confirmed today that A.J. Pace (formerly of T.L. Hannah) has now joined the Byrnes staff as an assistant director with a focus on percussion. The TL Hannah program has made tremendous strides in the last few years, most recently beating Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford for the SC 4A title. Percussion has been a weak link in JFB's program for a few years now, and I anticipate this addition to reap immediate benefits.
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 13, 2024 18:34:15 GMT -6
For whomever is interested, fresh off the presses: A proposal has been raised that is under legitimate consideration and likelihood that starting either this fall or the fall of 2025 (details are being finalized), a new classification system will be put in place that will create a "6A" class. This will include the 20 largest schools by enrollment in the state. Although it shouldn't really shake up the usual 5A programs that have been classed as such in the last 3-5 years (the ones that will get bumped up to 6A), there will probably be a noticeable shake up in classifications 1A-5A. Also on a side note, Director Moss confirmed today that A.J. Pace ( formerly of T.L. Hannah) has now joined the Byrnes staff as an assistant director with a focus on percussion. The TL Hannah program has made tremendous strides in the last few years, most recently beating Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford for the SC 4A title. Percussion has been a weak link in JFB's program for a few years now, and I anticipate this addition to reap immediate benefits. Whoa, well he jumped ship fast lol. RIP TL Hanna |
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Post by aiden on Feb 13, 2024 23:02:45 GMT -6
For whomever is interested, fresh off the presses: A proposal has been raised that is under legitimate consideration and likelihood that starting either this fall or the fall of 2025 (details are being finalized), a new classification system will be put in place that will create a "6A" class. This will include the 20 largest schools by enrollment in the state. Although it shouldn't really shake up the usual 5A programs that have been classed as such in the last 3-5 years (the ones that will get bumped up to 6A), there will probably be a noticeable shake up in classifications 1A-5A. Also on a side note, Director Moss confirmed today that A.J. Pace ( formerly of T.L. Hannah) has now joined the Byrnes staff as an assistant director with a focus on percussion. The TL Hannah program has made tremendous strides in the last few years, most recently beating Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford for the SC 4A title. Percussion has been a weak link in JFB's program for a few years now, and I anticipate this addition to reap immediate benefits. Whoa, well he jumped ship fast lol. RIP TL Hanna I wouldn't say that just yet because if they have yet to find a replacement they could find someone who can help them improve more |
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Post by oldbandguy on Feb 14, 2024 7:17:07 GMT -6
For whomever is interested, fresh off the presses: A proposal has been raised that is under legitimate consideration and likelihood that starting either this fall or the fall of 2025 (details are being finalized), a new classification system will be put in place that will create a "6A" class. This will include the 20 largest schools by enrollment in the state. Although it shouldn't really shake up the usual 5A programs that have been classed as such in the last 3-5 years (the ones that will get bumped up to 6A), there will probably be a noticeable shake up in classifications 1A-5A. Also on a side note, Director Moss confirmed today that A.J. Pace ( formerly of T.L. Hannah) has now joined the Byrnes staff as an assistant director with a focus on percussion. The TL Hannah program has made tremendous strides in the last few years, most recently beating Catawba Ridge and Nation Ford for the SC 4A title. Percussion has been a weak link in JFB's program for a few years now, and I anticipate this addition to reap immediate benefits. Whoa, well he jumped ship fast lol. RIP TL Hanna I wonder though, if JFB is going to utilize him for show design. With their current money situation they might be looking to save on that aspect and since AJ has a great knack for it, well…could be a very strategic hire on more levels than just percussion. |
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 14, 2024 10:19:14 GMT -6
Whoa, well he jumped ship fast lol. RIP TL Hanna I wouldn't say that just yet because if they have yet to find a replacement they could find someone who can help them improve more Fair point, anything is possible |
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 14, 2024 10:20:14 GMT -6
Whoa, well he jumped ship fast lol. RIP TL Hanna I wonder though, if JFB is going to utilize him for show design. With their current money situation they might be looking to save on that aspect and since AJ has a great knack for it, well…could be a very strategic hire on more levels than just percussion. |
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 14, 2024 10:21:32 GMT -6
AJ is a lot of things, but there is no doubt he has his pulse on the latest design trends in the activity
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Post by bubbawethead on Feb 14, 2024 22:14:20 GMT -6
Adding onto the original post (from what I've heard from an upstate band director), ALL classifications will do away with lower/upper states and move to a same day prelims/finals format. 1A and 2A will be Oct 19th, 4A and 5A on Oct 26th then 3A and 6A on Nov 2nd (HOPEFULLY this means each state competition will be at good locations).
Classifications:
6A - top 20
5A - next 24
4A - next 28
3A - next 28
2A - next 32
1A - everyone else (about 50 schools although about half don't have marching bands)
compared to last year's classes being top 24, next 39, next 39, next 39 and then the rest, there isn't a lot of change for most programs.
I can't say I'm a big fan of the change, but not opposed to it, just not sure why it's needed. Hopefully it'll allow more competitions later in the season (Olde English/Rock Hill is set for Oct 19th) and this extends the band season.
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Post by crowncrawler on Feb 15, 2024 10:55:22 GMT -6
Classifications: 6A - top 20 5A - next 24 4A - next 28 3A - next 28 2A - next 32 1A - everyone else (about 50 schools although about half don't have marching bands) compared to last year's classes being top 24, next 39, next 39, next 39 and then the rest, there isn't a lot of change for most programs. The most significant change will be splitting the current 4A heavyweights. Catawba Ridge stays in 4A, while Nation Ford and TL Hanna move to 5A. Also love how this frees up schedules for bands who have been previously been locked into two weeks of upper/lower state and state. |
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Post by bubbawethead on Feb 15, 2024 11:52:03 GMT -6
Classifications: 6A - top 20 5A - next 24 4A - next 28 3A - next 28 2A - next 32 1A - everyone else (about 50 schools although about half don't have marching bands) compared to last year's classes being top 24, next 39, next 39, next 39 and then the rest, there isn't a lot of change for most programs. The most significant change will be splitting the current 4A heavyweights. Catawba Ridge stays in 4A, while Nation Ford and TL Hanna move to 5A. Also love how this frees up schedules for bands who have been previously been locked into two weeks of upper/lower state and state. Agreed, more notable changes: Liberty down 1A (with Blacksburg, Ninety Six and Batesburg-Leesville), Travelers Rest and Greer up 4A (with York and Catawba), Fort Mill stays in 5A (with TLH, Easley and NaFo). I was so happy to see RH/Olde English set their comp date to the 19th already, hopefully others (Byrnes, Irmo, Blythewood, Silver Bluff) follow suit and likewise have later season competitions |
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Post by oldbandguy on Feb 15, 2024 12:13:34 GMT -6
The most significant change will be splitting the current 4A heavyweights. Catawba Ridge stays in 4A, while Nation Ford and TL Hanna move to 5A. Also love how this frees up schedules for bands who have been previously been locked into two weeks of upper/lower state and state. Agreed, more notable changes: Liberty down 1A (with Blacksburg, Ninety Six and Batesburg-Leesville), Travelers Rest and Greer up 4A (with York and Catawba), Fort Mill stays in 5A (with TLH, Easley and NaFo). I was so happy to see RH/Olde English set their comp date to the 19th already, hopefully others ( Byrnes, Irmo, Blythewood, Silver Bluff) follow suit and likewise have later season competitions Are you talking about the Byrnes Tournament of Bands? That has been nixed for this year as the stadium is being redone. All Byrnes home games will be held at another school (Broome most likely). It’s another blow to the JFB pocketbook since that is their biggest money raiser by a long shot. |
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Post by bubbawethead on Feb 15, 2024 12:28:09 GMT -6
Agreed, more notable changes: Liberty down 1A (with Blacksburg, Ninety Six and Batesburg-Leesville), Travelers Rest and Greer up 4A (with York and Catawba), Fort Mill stays in 5A (with TLH, Easley and NaFo). I was so happy to see RH/Olde English set their comp date to the 19th already, hopefully others ( Byrnes, Irmo, Blythewood, Silver Bluff) follow suit and likewise have later season competitions Are you talking about the Byrnes Tournament of Bands? That has been nixed for this year as the stadium is being redone. All Byrnes home games will be held at another school (Broome most likely). It’s another blow to the JFB pocketbook since that is their biggest money raiser by a long shot. Nooooooooo, Byrnes ToB has been one of my favorite since I was in school. Going to miss it this year! |
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Post by oldbandguy on Feb 15, 2024 12:46:59 GMT -6
Are you talking about the Byrnes Tournament of Bands? That has been nixed for this year as the stadium is being redone. All Byrnes home games will be held at another school (Broome most likely). It’s another blow to the JFB pocketbook since that is their biggest money raiser by a long shot. Nooooooooo, Byrnes ToB has been one of my favorite since I was in school. Going to miss it this year! Yeah it’s a bummer. We were really excited for our daughter as she just moved up to competition band last year and the momentum from Scarlett Confidential was supposed to be the launching pad for the next level. But the director change and fund raising hits started and they seem to just keep coming. I’m sure they’ll do whatever they need to do to keep JFB competitive but they’re definitely swimming against the current right now. |
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Post by es203 on Feb 16, 2024 1:45:44 GMT -6
The most significant change will be splitting the current 4A heavyweights. Catawba Ridge stays in 4A, while Nation Ford and TL Hanna move to 5A. Also love how this frees up schedules for bands who have been previously been locked into two weeks of upper/lower state and state. Agreed, more notable changes: Liberty down 1A (with Blacksburg, Ninety Six and Batesburg-Leesville), Travelers Rest and Greer up 4A (with York and Catawba), Fort Mill stays in 5A (with TLH, Easley and NaFo). I was so happy to see RH/Olde English set their comp date to the 19th already, hopefully others (Byrnes, Irmo, Blythewood, Silver Bluff) follow suit and likewise have later season competitions Fort Mill staying in 5A is interesting… gives them a good shot at a state title for the first time in a long time, although TL Hanna and NAFO are no joke |
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Post by bubbawethead on Feb 16, 2024 7:06:03 GMT -6
For anyone interested, I took the SC dept of Education 45 day head count that they've used in previous years for the new classifications. I'm not sure if this is entirely accurate as there are a few new schools and some that seem to of jumped from 1a to higher classes, but should be fairly close. onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=59C7D91FC044A874%214371&authkey=!AEzzFDSHlE4235E |
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 18, 2024 9:40:46 GMT -6
Looking at the numbers of the 2023-2024 45 day enrollment, i’m not absolutely convinced Fort Mill would drop out of the 6A classification. They certainly would struggle against Nation Ford if they are in 5A vs. 6A. Either way Fort Mill would be on the edge numbers wise of the two classifications.
One interesting note is that Wando’s numbers are down to 2500, I think even two years ago they were still close to 3000 during the split with Beckham. It does explain their smaller numbers in the marching band (although 2500 students is still a very decent size for a school).
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Post by bubbawethead on Feb 27, 2024 1:24:11 GMT -6
Somewhat off topic. Something I've always wondered but never found an answer to:
What caused the SCBDA to use their own classifications starting in 2006?
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 27, 2024 13:49:42 GMT -6
Somewhat off topic. Something I've always wondered but never found an answer to: What caused the SCBDA to use their own classifications starting in 2006? Way before my time… likely so that 5A could be a standalone day, and then an even number 1-4A classes |
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Post by southcarolina on Feb 28, 2024 15:33:02 GMT -6
Somewhat off topic. Something I've always wondered but never found an answer to: What caused the SCBDA to use their own classifications starting in 2006? Way before my time… likely so that 5A could be a standalone day, and then an even number 1-4A classes is 6A like kinda true for us? |
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Post by marimba11 on Feb 29, 2024 22:16:06 GMT -6
Way before my time… likely so that 5A could be a standalone day, and then an even number 1-4A classes is 6A like kinda true for us? Who? |
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Post by es203 on Mar 2, 2024 20:13:11 GMT -6
Nooooooooo, Byrnes ToB has been one of my favorite since I was in school. Going to miss it this year! Yeah it’s a bummer. We were really excited for our daughter as she just moved up to competition band last year and the momentum from Scarlett Confidential was supposed to be the launching pad for the next level. But the director change and fund raising hits started and they seem to just keep coming. I’m sure they’ll do whatever they need to do to keep JFB competitive but they’re definitely swimming against the current right now. Man that sucks to hear. After 2022 I was almost positive Byrnes would be moving into the Wando tier. Really hope they can get things on track |
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Post by marimba11 on Mar 5, 2024 23:29:36 GMT -6
Looks like this new classification system will be happening. Just looking at the 45 day enrollment from this year quickly it does seem that Fort Mill will fall out of 6A - they’re def somewhere in the 20s population wise, lots of Charleston area schools grew and a few have shrunk.
CR is only at 1600 something so they would probably stay in 4A. Curious about Daniel.
Nation Ford / TL Hanna probably in 5A.
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Post by bubbawethead on Mar 5, 2024 23:38:03 GMT -6
Looks like this new classification system will be happening. Just looking at the 45 day enrollment from this year quickly it does seem that Fort Mill will fall out of 6A - they’re def somewhere in the 20s population wise, lots of Charleston area schools grew and a few have shrunk. CR is only at 1600 something so they would probably stay in 4A. Curious about Daniel. Nation Ford / TL Hanna probably in 5A. FM is indeed in 5A, the third largest in the class. CR is 4A, Daniel stays in 3A, NaFa and TLH both 5A. |
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Post by rbrbds on Mar 8, 2024 7:01:00 GMT -6
From an email sent out from SCBDA earlier this week. Schools are listed by enrollment size largest to smallest. This will be the classification used this season (2024) and next (2025):
6A:
Dorman High
Summerville High
Carolina Forest High
James F Byrnes High
Boiling Springs High
Ashley Ridge High
Stratford High
Clover High
Wando High
Cane Bay High
Lexington High
Spring Valley High
Fort Dorchester High
Mauldin High
Sumter High
Spartanburg High
River Bluff High
Woodmont High
Blythewood High
Hillcrest High
5A:
J L Mann High Academy
West Ashley High
Ft Mill High
White Knoll High
R B Stall High
Goose Creek High
Rock Hill High
T L Hanna High
Berkeley High
Easley High
St. James High
West Florence High
Gaffney High
Nation Ford High
Indian Land High
Riverside High
Greenville Sr High Academy
Wade Hampton High
Lugoff Elgin High
Northwestern High
Lucy Garrett Beckham High
Greenwood High
Westside High
Socastee High
4A:
Conway High
Dutch Fork High
North Augusta High
Ridge View High
Westwood High
May River High
N Myrtle Beach High
Catawba Ridge High School
Chapin High
South Florence High
James Island Charter High
Myrtle Beach High
Fountain Inn High
Laurens Dist 55 High
Eastside High
York Comprehensive High
Midland Valley High
Greer High
Colleton County High
Lancaster High
Bluffton High
Airport High
A. C. Flora High
Hilton Head Is. High
Wilson High
Lower Richland High
South Aiken High
Travelers Rest High
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Post by oldbandguy on Mar 8, 2024 7:13:43 GMT -6
Catawba Ridge is going to have a field day in 4A.
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Post by bubbawethead on Mar 8, 2024 9:56:03 GMT -6
Catawba Ridge is going to have a field day in 4A. Battle for 2nd between York, TR, Chapin, North Augusta, greer and fountain inn. |
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Post by marimba11 on Mar 8, 2024 10:47:15 GMT -6
Catawba Ridge is going to have a field day in 4A. Yeah… it’s going to be a blowout. I haven’t seen a class this lopsided since 2010/11 when Nation Ford and Fort Mill were in 3A. I know by enrollment that’s how the cookie crumbled, but they should have been in 4A. |
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Post by bubbawethead on Mar 8, 2024 10:55:27 GMT -6
From an email sent out from SCBDA earlier this week. Schools are listed by enrollment size largest to smallest. This will be the classification used this season (2024) and next (2025): 6A: Dorman High Summerville High Carolina Forest High James F Byrnes High Boiling Springs High Ashley Ridge High Stratford High Clover High Wando High Cane Bay High Lexington High Spring Valley High Fort Dorchester High Mauldin High Sumter High Spartanburg High River Bluff High Woodmont High Blythewood High Hillcrest High 5A: J L Mann High Academy West Ashley High Ft Mill High White Knoll High R B Stall High Goose Creek High Rock Hill High T L Hanna High Berkeley High Easley High St. James High West Florence High Gaffney High Nation Ford High Indian Land High Riverside High Greenville Sr High Academy Wade Hampton High Lugoff Elgin High Northwestern High Lucy Garrett Beckham High Greenwood High Westside High Socastee High 4A: Conway High Dutch Fork High North Augusta High Ridge View High Westwood High May River High N Myrtle Beach High Catawba Ridge High School Chapin High South Florence High James Island Charter High Myrtle Beach High Fountain Inn High Laurens Dist 55 High Eastside High York Comprehensive High Midland Valley High Greer High Colleton County High Lancaster High Bluffton High Airport High A. C. Flora High Hilton Head Is. High Wilson High Lower Richland High South Aiken High Travelers Rest High Do you mind sharing 3A-1A? |
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Post by rbrbds on Mar 8, 2024 11:51:19 GMT -6
3A:
Richland Northeast High
Berea High
Pickens High
Irmo High
Wren High
Aiken High
Brookland-Cayce High
D W Daniel High
Beaufort High
South Pointe High
Dreher High
Belton Honea Path High
Southside High
Gilbert High
Hartsville High
Camden High
Walhalla High
Crestwood High
Spring Hill High
Palmetto High
Blue Ridge High
Union County High
Chapman High
Orangeburg Wilkinson High School
Hanahan High
Powdersville High
Seneca High
Marlboro County High
2A:
Lakewood High
Darlington High
Carolina Academy (High)
Pendleton High
Swansea High and SFA
Georgetown High
Broome High
Emerald High
Aynor High
Loris High
Waccamaw High
Battery Creek High
Dillon High School
Crescent High
Philip Simmons High
Newberry High
Woodruff High
West-Oak High
Chesnee High
Silver Bluff High
Manning High
N Charleston High
Strom Thurmond High
Clinton High
Chester Sr High
Timberland High
Keenan High
Academic Magnet High
Pelion High
Lake Marion High School
Saluda High
Columbia High
1A: Everyone Else (79 schools, with a bunch of charter and magnet schools mixed in)
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Post by oldbandguy on Mar 13, 2024 6:32:14 GMT -6
Circling back to the second part of the original post...
After listening to Mr. Moss last night at the booster meeting, he confirmed that A.J. Pace is in fact, also on the design team (still includes Jim Moore/John Vanderkloff and company). He will be handling mostly electronic design.
I also found out that the director of percussion at Mauldin (who's percussion has become top tier in the last couple of years) is joining A.J. at Byrnes. Moss is building a beast at JFB that will be apparent in the next few years.
Also - the 6A state championship will either be held at Colleton County (again) or Spartanburg High School (fingers crossed).
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