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Post by verysaxy on Dec 3, 2019 15:41:47 GMT -6
Another thing- What states do we think have the best bands overall? My thoughts:
1. Indiana & Texas (not trying to start world war 3) 2. Oklahoma 3. Illinois 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. Missouri 7. North Carolina 8. California 9. Georgia 10. Iowa
I’m a slightly biased for KY but considering they have control over small bands.. all Florida has is Tarpon, PV, and SD. Indiana and Texas are equal, but Indiana does have more GN Champions. Oklahoma would top this list if they had more. BA, Union, Bixby, Owasso, but that’s pretty much it. North Carolina & Iowa (also Michigan, not listed) are untapped gold mines. Cali has CH, Ayala, and VM that’s it. Georgia is on a steady decline and we all know it. Thoughts?
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Post by Samuel Culper on Dec 3, 2019 15:51:33 GMT -6
Another thing- What states do we think have the best bands overall? My thoughts: 1. Indiana & Texas (not trying to start world war 3) 2. Oklahoma 3. Illinois 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. Missouri 7. North Carolina 8. California 9. Georgia 10. Iowa I’m a slightly biased for KY but considering they have control over small bands.. all Florida has is Tarpon, PV, and SD. Indiana and Texas are equal, but Indiana does have more GN Champions. Oklahoma would top this list if they had more. BA, Union, Bixby, Owasso, but that’s pretty much it. North Carolina & Iowa (also Michigan, not listed) are untapped gold mines. Cali has CH, Ayala, and VM that’s it. Georgia is on a steady decline and we all know it. Thoughts? And THAT is how you start WWIII.
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Post by secret on Dec 3, 2019 15:57:09 GMT -6
Another thing- What states do we think have the best bands overall? My thoughts: 1. Indiana & Texas (not trying to start world war 3) 2. Oklahoma 3. Illinois 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. Missouri 7. North Carolina 8. California 9. Georgia 10. Iowa I’m a slightly biased for KY but considering they have control over small bands.. all Florida has is Tarpon, PV, and SD. Indiana and Texas are equal, but Indiana does have more GN Champions. Oklahoma would top this list if they had more. BA, Union, Bixby, Owasso, but that’s pretty much it. North Carolina & Iowa (also Michigan, not listed) are untapped gold mines. Cali has CH, Ayala, and VM that’s it. Georgia is on a steady decline and we all know it. Thoughts? South Carolina should 100% be on this list.
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Post by supersound on Dec 3, 2019 16:12:40 GMT -6
If you’re saying overall and not just BOA you need to include James Logan as one of the top bands in California. It’s not just Vista Murietta and Ayala. Can’t forget Chino Hills outstanding percussion program either
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Post by Allohak on Dec 3, 2019 16:46:44 GMT -6
Another thing- What states do we think have the best bands overall? My thoughts: 1. Indiana & Texas (not trying to start world war 3) 2. Oklahoma 3. Illinois 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. Missouri 7. North Carolina 8. California 9. Georgia 10. Iowa I’m a slightly biased for KY but considering they have control over small bands.. all Florida has is Tarpon, PV, and SD. Indiana and Texas are equal, but Indiana does have more GN Champions. Oklahoma would top this list if they had more. BA, Union, Bixby, Owasso, but that’s pretty much it. North Carolina & Iowa (also Michigan, not listed) are untapped gold mines. Cali has CH, Ayala, and VM that’s it. Georgia is on a steady decline and we all know it. Thoughts? South Carolina should 100% be on this list. Agreed. Ohio should also be included, considering strong representation in semifinals (7 in 2019) on a regular basis. Order aside, get rid of Georgia (correctly stated as on the decline) and Iowa (uh, what?) and put Ohio and South Carolina in...and you probably have the right 10
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Post by Allohak on Dec 3, 2019 16:54:54 GMT -6
Another thing- What states do we think have the best bands overall? My thoughts: 1. Indiana & Texas (not trying to start world war 3) 2. Oklahoma 3. Illinois 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. Missouri 7. North Carolina 8. California 9. Georgia 10. Iowa I’m a slightly biased for KY but considering they have control over small bands.. all Florida has is Tarpon, PV, and SD. Indiana and Texas are equal, but Indiana does have more GN Champions. Oklahoma would top this list if they had more. BA, Union, Bixby, Owasso, but that’s pretty much it. North Carolina & Iowa (also Michigan, not listed) are untapped gold mines. Cali has CH, Ayala, and VM that’s it. Georgia is on a steady decline and we all know it. Thoughts? And THAT is how you start WWIII. It's also not strictly true. Indiana has 5 GN Champion programs (Chesterton, Center Grove, Lawrence Central, Carmel, Avon), which account for 12 titles. Texas has 5 GN Champion programs (Spring, Westfield, L.D. Bell, The Woodlands, Vandegrift) but none have more than one title.
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Post by marimba11 on Dec 3, 2019 17:02:45 GMT -6
Is Georgia on the decline... or is Cobb county just to blame? There is certainly a population influx south, especially along the east coast.
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Post by Allohak on Dec 3, 2019 17:16:07 GMT -6
(Moved this conversation to its own thread so the 2020 GN thread can remain relevant to the original topic)
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Post by lostchoirguy on Dec 3, 2019 17:42:39 GMT -6
(Moved this conversation to its own thread so the 2020 GN thread can remain relevant to the original topic) Thanks. I felt this should have its own topic. I also agree that Ohio needs to be on here and South Carolina is at least as good of a choice as Georgia. Michigan perhaps as well. I suppose it depends on if we are talking about current performance of bands, top states for culture of band, or history of band. As far as band culture goes, the Midwest (IN, OH, KY, MO, IL, and MI) and Texas would dominate, probably. Historically the Northeast and Southeast have had a lot of influence and California of course with the evolution from parade marching. Current performance would have to include Oklahoma because there are so many bands, especially in Tulsa doing great things out there.
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Post by oboe12 on Dec 3, 2019 17:55:36 GMT -6
Cobb County has certainly changed. It's crazy to think about the absurd depth of programs that were in that county, as well as that between Lassiter, Kennesaw Mountain, and Harrison, the county has seven AAA national titles (two for Harrison, three for KMHS, and two for Lassiter). Three of those (two for Lassiter, one for KMHS) were in the highest class at the competition at the time. Pope and Walton and Sprayberry and KELL have all been nationally known programs at different times and Hillgrove, Allatoona, and McEachern have been well-known in the Southeast for quite a while. They just don't have any band that can win a national championship anymore, which after having Watkins-era Lassiter followed by Starnes-era Kennesaw Mountain is probably jarring. It's still one of the most competitive school districts in the country, and probably the most competitive outside of Texas.
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Post by principalagent on Dec 3, 2019 19:13:34 GMT -6
Don’t forget South Cobb too!
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Post by QuadSquad03 on Dec 3, 2019 20:03:27 GMT -6
Add Jenks and Mustang to Oklahoma. Jenks - has been doing very well recently, especially 2018 and 2019, and I don't see them slowing down soon Mustang - This has been the first year that they have really broken through the mold, but they were a GN Semi-finalist in 2018, which is a notable achievement.
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Post by abtwitch on Dec 3, 2019 20:32:39 GMT -6
Another thing- What states do we think have the best bands overall? My thoughts: 1. Indiana & Texas (not trying to start world war 3) 2. Oklahoma 3. Illinois 4. Kentucky 5. Florida 6. Missouri 7. North Carolina 8. California 9. Georgia 10. Iowa I’m a slightly biased for KY but considering they have control over small bands.. all Florida has is Tarpon, PV, and SD. Indiana and Texas are equal, but Indiana does have more GN Champions. Oklahoma would top this list if they had more. BA, Union, Bixby, Owasso, but that’s pretty much it. North Carolina & Iowa (also Michigan, not listed) are untapped gold mines. Cali has CH, Ayala, and VM that’s it. Georgia is on a steady decline and we all know it. Thoughts? Iowa is a very curious pick in my opinion. Really the only notable bands from there (too my knowledge) are Independence and Davenport Central. South Carolina should certainly be on the list, as well as Virginia, Ohio, and Michigan (though you did mention them) make very strong cases against many of the other states listed.
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Post by Allohak on Dec 3, 2019 20:50:47 GMT -6
Add Jenks and Mustang to Oklahoma. Jenks - has been doing very well recently, especially 2018 and 2019, and I don't see them slowing down soon Mustang - This has been the first year that they have really broken through the mold, but they were a GN Semi-finalist in 2018, which is a notable achievement. and Coweta won the Flagstaff regional!
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Post by QuadSquad03 on Dec 3, 2019 21:06:22 GMT -6
Add Jenks and Mustang to Oklahoma. Jenks - has been doing very well recently, especially 2018 and 2019, and I don't see them slowing down soon Mustang - This has been the first year that they have really broken through the mold, but they were a GN Semi-finalist in 2018, which is a notable achievement. and Coweta won the Flagstaff regional! They did! Then Stillwater (a band that edged Coweta out of 5th place t renegade review) went on to get 11th at 6A OBA. If more Oklahoma bands went to BOA regionals, they would fare pretty well (particularly the Edmonds, the Moores, and Choctaw). I could see any of these bands breaking through the mold in the next few years and becoming major competitors for the Oklahoma fab 5.
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Post by lostchoirguy on Dec 4, 2019 1:01:34 GMT -6
Don't forget that Collinsville, OK won the class A championship in San Antonio this year.
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Post by hewhowaits on Dec 4, 2019 11:01:33 GMT -6
South Carolina should 100% be on this list. Agreed. Ohio should also be included, considering strong representation in semifinals (7 in 2019) on a regular basis. Order aside, get rid of Georgia (correctly stated as on the decline) and Iowa (uh, what?) and put Ohio and South Carolina in...and you probably have the right 10 Since the original list contains 11 states (a tie for first between Texas and Indiana would make Oklahoma #3, not #2), dropping Georgia and Iowa to include Ohio and South Carolina still requires identifying one more to remove if you want to come up with a top 10. Overall, I would argue that state should be either Missouri (one dominant program and several other solid ones) or North Carolina (one dominant school district and a few other rising contenders).
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Post by indianabandgeek on Dec 4, 2019 11:23:53 GMT -6
On the Georgia subject, what ever happened to the Lassiter band? I last remember in 2013, that there was controversy about a new director and that I haven't seen the band in a BOA event.
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Post by marimba11 on Dec 4, 2019 12:30:10 GMT -6
Lassiter went to Jacksonville in 2014, (made finals) and 2017, didn’t make finals. Not sure beyond that... as far as boa appearances for them as of late
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Post by dbalash on Dec 4, 2019 13:20:12 GMT -6
Lassiter went to Jacksonville in 2014, (made finals) and 2017, didn’t make finals. Not sure beyond that... as far as boa appearances for them as of late They would have made finals in 2017. They were cancelled - they finished 9th in prelims. As for Ginny? She was in real estate for a bit, but the Roanoke County Public Schools website says she is now the Supervisor of Music and Performing Arts. The way the Lassiter organization treated her was absolutely disgusting.
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Post by marimba11 on Dec 4, 2019 13:24:39 GMT -6
Lassiter went to Jacksonville in 2014, (made finals) and 2017, didn’t make finals. Not sure beyond that... as far as boa appearances for them as of late They would have made finals in 2017. They were cancelled - they finished 9th in prelims. As for Ginny? She was in real estate for a bit, but the Roanoke County Public Schools website says she is now the Supervisor of Music and Performing Arts. The way the Lassiter organization treated her was absolutely disgusting. Oh ok. Yeah they were really bad to her. Very entitled
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Post by supersound on Dec 4, 2019 13:54:04 GMT -6
Can I get the full story on Ginny if possible?
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Post by dbalash on Dec 4, 2019 14:13:29 GMT -6
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Post by verysaxy on Dec 4, 2019 15:34:02 GMT -6
Boy what have I done. I appreciate the new deprecate thread, thank you!
I have realized the mistakes I made. Forgetting about SC. Let me clarify, my rankings were based on the amount of great bands in that state. Ohio is not listed because they have only one band that is known and feared on a national level: Mason. That’s not a lot, even though it kinda is. I noticed I missed SC, and that was a BIG mistake. I’m also glad we didn’t start WW|||. I shave molded my rankings based on what has been brought to my attention.
1. Indiana & Texas 2. Oklahoma 3. California 4. Illinois 5. Kentucky 6. Florida 7. South Carolina 8. North Carolina 9. Ohio 10. Virginia
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Post by trumpet300 on Dec 4, 2019 16:05:32 GMT -6
Boy what have I done. I appreciate the new deprecate thread, thank you! I have realized the mistakes I made. Forgetting about SC. Let me clarify, my rankings were based on the amount of great bands in that state. Ohio is not listed because they have only one band that is known and feared on a national level: Mason. That’s not a lot, even though it kinda is. I noticed I missed SC, and that was a BIG mistake. I’m also glad we didn’t start WW|||. I shave molded my rankings based on what has been brought to my attention. 1. Indiana & Texas 2. Oklahoma 3. California 4. Illinois 5. Kentucky 6. Florida 7. South Carolina 8. North Carolina 9. Ohio 10. Virginia Why Virginia? I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just curious what made you pick that state.
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Post by principalagent on Dec 4, 2019 16:54:05 GMT -6
That’s unfair to Ohio. Miamisburg almost took AA at Grand Nationals and Centerville is a consistent and perennial semi-finalist. Lakota East and Lakota West are both rising fast. There’s still Milford too, and then the A groups are just behind Kentucky in strength and performance. I would take Ohio over both Carolinas.
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Post by Allohak on Dec 4, 2019 19:09:18 GMT -6
That’s unfair to Ohio. Miamisburg almost took AA at Grand Nationals and Centerville is a consistent and perennial semi-finalist. Lakota East and Lakota West are both rising fast. There’s still Milford too, and then the A groups are just behind Kentucky in strength and performance. I would take Ohio over both Carolinas. Ohio has to be included if you're looking historically. 49 finals appearances by 9 unique programs (1 championship) 15 unique semifinalists (who have never made finals) (5 of which only as class advancers) There have only been 8 GN Finals without a band from Ohio (5 since the first appearance of Ohio bands), and 1 of those had an OH band in Class Champion exhibition Taking all into account, that's a track record matched/bettered only by (without going through and looking...) Indiana and Texas.
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Post by verysaxy on Dec 4, 2019 19:47:56 GMT -6
PSA:
Ohio is growing and does deserve a spot on the list. The Carolinas I feel need to stay the same, and after pointing it out yes Ohio should be higher. Miamisburg did almost take AA. This is their first semi finals appearance in years, so it may be a one-hit-wonder. I put VA on there because I feel like they’re growing but could easily be swapped with Michigan, Iowa, or Georgia. (Even though there is a decline in the latter) I feel like at this point we should find out a way to vote on placements LOL. Any ideas how? I’m dont really know any methods other than a classic “What place should _____ be?) and 10 bazillion responses.
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Post by verysaxy on Dec 4, 2019 19:49:03 GMT -6
The moderators came for me let’s hope they don’t shut me down LOL
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Post by LeanderMomma on Dec 4, 2019 21:08:15 GMT -6
The moderators came for me let’s hope they don’t shut me down LOL
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