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Post by bandfan82 on Oct 26, 2023 6:30:22 GMT -6
Anyone got the Class C semi-state results sheet they'd be willing to share or send me a copy?
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Post by altomomma2023 on Oct 26, 2023 11:09:37 GMT -6
Where can I get a copy of the current ISSMA rules and the point values assigned to each penalty? I want to know how one judge has the power to knock off 3 pts due to one penalty and end a season like they did with Castle? There should be lots of people on here that have access to it. Surely each band receives a copy of it before each contest as a refresher so they know what is expected! If not, it is unfair to have a contest where the participants aren't aware of what is being judged. What actions (that you are aware of) are being taken to get answers? Who is leading the charge? This must be escalated and not accepted and then we move on kind of thing. Covid was enough of a season killer for these kids. The seniors can't go out like this! #castletakeastand It is very unfortunate how one judge can knock a band out. In another class one judge knocked an expected state Finalist out. Not because of penalties. All other judges had the band ranked 5-8 I believe but one judge knocked them down really really low. When averaged out, they didn't make it. But it is what it is. Not saying it's morally right. It is actually very suspicious. Castle and bands that got knocked out bc of one judge, I bet those bands come back really hard next season. Good luck to all State Finalist.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 26, 2023 12:02:55 GMT -6
Where can I get a copy of the current ISSMA rules and the point values assigned to each penalty? I want to know how one judge has the power to knock off 3 pts due to one penalty and end a season like they did with Castle? There should be lots of people on here that have access to it. Surely each band receives a copy of it before each contest as a refresher so they know what is expected! If not, it is unfair to have a contest where the participants aren't aware of what is being judged. What actions (that you are aware of) are being taken to get answers? Who is leading the charge? This must be escalated and not accepted and then we move on kind of thing. Covid was enough of a season killer for these kids. The seniors can't go out like this! #castletakeastand It is very unfortunate how one judge can knock a band out. In another class one judge knocked an expected state Finalist out. Not because of penalties. All other judges had the band ranked 5-8 I believe but one judge knocked them down really really low. When averaged out, they didn't make it. But it is what it is. Not saying it's morally right. It is actually very suspicious. Castle and bands that got knocked out bc of one judge, I bet those bands come back really hard next season. Good luck to all State Finalist. With regards to Castle, they weren't knokced out by one judge. It was an ISSMA field official who noticed the violation. And what is important here is that no one disputes that there was a violation. I can understand the sentiment that the penalty for sach a transgression was exceedingly harsh, but it wasn't something simply made up un the fly. The rule and associated penalty was previously established. And Castle unfortunately ran afoul. What would people have ISSMA officials do in this instance? As far as your other example of a band being derailed by a single judge, I don't know who you're referring to so I won't address the claim specifically, but do keep in mind that each judge is judging something unique. Just because a group is in a certain range in one caption doesn't mean they can't be substandard in another.
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Post by 21saxmom on Oct 26, 2023 13:31:32 GMT -6
Looking at the scores, can someone tell me where the Castle penalty is recorded? Music scores ranked them third, they were all over the place in other categories. Just wondering where the penalty shows: which category has the deduction?
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Post by dblej22 on Oct 26, 2023 13:48:47 GMT -6
Looking at the scores, can someone tell me where the Castle penalty is recorded? Music scores ranked them third, they were all over the place in other categories. Just wondering where the penalty shows: which category has the deduction? It was not applied to any category, was a general point deduction.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 26, 2023 13:50:40 GMT -6
Looking at the scores, can someone tell me where the Castle penalty is recorded? Music scores ranked them third, they were all over the place in other categories. Just wondering where the penalty shows: which category has the deduction? It was not applied to any category, was a general point deduction. Correct. If you add up the caption scores shown on the score sheet Castle would have had 85.5. And yeah their sub-caption scores were all over the place!
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Post by james50 on Oct 26, 2023 15:11:07 GMT -6
Where can I find these scores? Thank you.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 26, 2023 15:12:53 GMT -6
Where can I find these scores? Thank you. Click Results at the top of this page, then scroll down past the current year's BOA results and you'll see an ISSMA link.
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Post by kvgdc on Oct 26, 2023 15:52:54 GMT -6
I'm recalling a year in the 80s in the pre semi-state days when 5 north and 5 south bands made it directly from regionals to state. FW Snider got a timing pentalty and it pushed them out of what was a fairly solid and hard won finals spot having gone head to head with Northrop and North Side all season up to that point. Super painful for those kids.
If i remember right, and im not sure i do, it was a long time ago, there was a lack of clarity in the timing rules as stated to directors as in one spot you had x minutes from the starting gun (yes starting gun). In another spot there was a x minutes to clear the field after your last note. They were fine by the first measure but not the second as they held the last form to soak in the cheers of the whole crowd, there was a lot of support for them that year. I seem to recall several directors back that the rules were unclear and asked for 11 bands in finals for class A that year because they also didn't want to yank away another band's announced advancement.
ISSMA said no.
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Post by bandnana on Oct 27, 2023 14:46:37 GMT -6
Was there for the early part. It was breezy, and the wind picked up as the day went on. Wind blew over some props. One of Lebanon’s on field screens collapsed mid-show. Lol Why the "Lol"?
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Post by das88 on Oct 27, 2023 15:24:01 GMT -6
It is very unfortunate how one judge can knock a band out. In another class one judge knocked an expected state Finalist out. Not because of penalties. All other judges had the band ranked 5-8 I believe but one judge knocked them down really really low. When averaged out, they didn't make it. But it is what it is. Not saying it's morally right. It is actually very suspicious. Castle and bands that got knocked out bc of one judge, I bet those bands come back really hard next season. Good luck to all State Finalist. With regards to Castle, they weren't knokced out by one judge. It was an ISSMA field official who noticed the violation. And what is important here is that no one disputes that there was a violation. I can understand the sentiment that the penalty for sach a transgression was exceedingly harsh, but it wasn't something simply made up un the fly. The rule and associated penalty was previously established. And Castle unfortunately ran afoul. What would people have ISSMA officials do in this instance? As far as your other example of a band being derailed by a single judge, I don't know who you're referring to so I won't address the claim specifically, but do keep in mind that each judge is judging something unique. Just because a group is in a certain range in one caption doesn't mean they can't be substandard in another. I gather since Castle appealed, they had an argument against the penalty. I would like to know if there is ANY consideration for weather related (wind moved a prop over the line, flags blew across the line) incidents? Does BOA address this all?
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