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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Oct 28, 2023 19:46:00 GMT -6
So I’m not saying Avon will beat Carmel, but this is the best Avon since…. (Still flipping through the years) Harloff is still tweaking this visual package! Carmel has peaked iMO (maybe?). I can’t wait till Nats. This is a big GE and visual year (again) considering regional ranks and scores so my money is on Avon ❤️! Honorable mention The Woodlands.
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Post by 21saxmom on Oct 28, 2023 19:46:52 GMT -6
Carmel Sound!! Carmel Sound!!! No matter the crummy multi cam - that sound was amazing! I can't believe how complex that music is. And so many great soloists.
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Post by euphislife on Oct 28, 2023 19:47:52 GMT -6
After 7. I can’t make an educated call on the top two from the feed, so I’m giving it to Avon as the show is more to my liking. Avon Carmel Carroll Fishers Homestead Center Grove Goshen I have the same after 7. Judging by the stream Avon and Carmel will be a coin toss, though I feel like I say that way too much.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 28, 2023 19:48:00 GMT -6
I knew it. I knew you were a slow burner Avon. I was telling everyone I knew you all had something going on. Definitely eyes on the prize, I feel, but this was a killer run. ISSMA once again dropping the ball, but there's so many little stuff in parts of the show that some of Avon sparkle will still get captured by any incompetent's camera. Fantastic stuff. I can't wait for the full Avon experience soon. It was incredible in person. Maybe my favorite Avon shows in years. I 100% agree! I think Avon has the win tonight after watching them live. When it comes to Carroll and Homestead I think Homestead was above Carroll in Music and Visual, and Carroll above Homestead in GE. Just my 2 cents lol
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 19:49:41 GMT -6
Carmel, you just blast everyone with that incredible opener! The follow-up sections of the show were just feasts for the ears and eyes. I especially love the Moses parting the Red Sea moment (if that's what it's supposed to be)- such a great use of the silk and band with the empty space in between.
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 28, 2023 19:49:43 GMT -6
Y'all, you make me afraid to put down what I thought about groups with your rankings LOL. I've been going against the grain all season it seems like.
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Post by coleeich on Oct 28, 2023 19:52:55 GMT -6
Hope things are going well in Indiana! Excited to hear how things are going
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Post by phantomphan on Oct 28, 2023 19:53:26 GMT -6
I knew it. I knew you were a slow burner Avon. I was telling everyone I knew you all had something going on. Definitely eyes on the prize, I feel, but this was a killer run. ISSMA once again dropping the ball, but there's so many little stuff in parts of the show that some of Avon sparkle will still get captured by any incompetent's camera. Fantastic stuff. I can't wait for the full Avon experience soon. I 100% agree... to me, this is the most technically / musically / physically challenging Avon program I have seen them field. And they have seemed focused all season long, making steady improvements, cleaning and scrubbing, and, in typical Avon fashion, 'smashing the gas' at seasons end... I think Avon will be drinking milk at the end of the night!
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Post by 21saxmom on Oct 28, 2023 19:53:30 GMT -6
Carmel, you just blast everyone with that incredible opener! The follow-up sections of the show were just feasts for the ears and eyes. I especially love the Moses parting the Red Sea moment (if that's what it's supposed to be)- such a great use of the silk and band with the empty space in between. It's one of the 3 Prophesies. The first is a plague, the second is snakes, and the third is a flood. The director was interviewed by Box5 after Super Regional and Box5 posted it this week. Cool explanation of the Prophesy show.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 28, 2023 19:54:31 GMT -6
Y'all, you make me afraid to put down what I thought about groups with your rankings LOL. I've been going against the grain all season it seems like. lol. You know I’m never right, so…
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Post by contra on Oct 28, 2023 19:58:08 GMT -6
I LOVE Carmel every year and this program is no excpetion. Their shows spit in the face of modern design clichés, and I'm here for it. Also cool to hear Jeremiah on a field again.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 28, 2023 19:58:58 GMT -6
Nice job Westfield. Ima going to slot you over Center Grove, mostly because I prefer your show. After 8:
Avon Carmel Carroll Fishers Homestead Westfield Center Grove Goshen
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 28, 2023 19:59:53 GMT -6
Nice job Westfield. Ima going to slot you over Center Grove, mostly because I prefer your show. After 8: Avon Carmel Carroll Fishers Homestead Westfield Center Grove Goshen Same here. Westfield has come along nicely this year.
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 20:03:04 GMT -6
Westfield, that was one heck of a way to introduce yourself to the band world. Last year in BOA may have been the band world's first glance at you, tonight is the night you stepped up to the mics.
I'm just blown away that this is just maybe 60-70 winds making the magic happen here! There's so much to look to in the near future for you- keep working, keep grinding, because if tonight was any indication, you're already can start dreaming bigger.
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Post by riot on Oct 28, 2023 20:05:07 GMT -6
I had heard a group from Castle was attending to show their support for the other bands.
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 20:05:46 GMT -6
I had heard a group from Castle was attending to show their support for the other bands. Correct- Castle Bands Facebook posted that a group of 30 kids or so are currently in town.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 28, 2023 20:14:52 GMT -6
Brownsburg. Hard to believe this is the same band that did that PDQ Bach show just a few years ago. How far they’ve come.
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Avon Carmel Brownsburg Carroll Fishers Homestead Westfield Center Grove Goshen
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Post by TeamIndiana on Oct 28, 2023 20:18:40 GMT -6
God I love this Brownsburg show so much! 2021 was my favorite of theirs but this seasons show has replaced that. Just amazing. They took every second of their allotted time lol. No sooner did they step off ther field Nobelsville entered!
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Post by 70sguardchick on Oct 28, 2023 20:20:45 GMT -6
God I love this Brownsburg show so much! 2021 was my favorite of theirs but this seasons show has replaced that. Just amazing. Hey took every second of their allotted time lol. No sooner did they step off ther field Nobelsville entered! The cue from the field to the announcer was later than expected..
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 20:21:50 GMT -6
Brownsburg, you are moving with the poise of a seasoned veteran program. 2022 might've been a huge leap of faith. 2023 is the same step, but you've grown into your legs, enough that it's just now a gait's worth. I'm just astounded this happened within a single year! The show is peppered with so much movement that I think the band last year would've struggled all season long with. Brownsburg stock just keeps rising and rising.
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 28, 2023 20:24:05 GMT -6
This has been an absolutely exceptional Class A State Finals! All bands should be extremely proud!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 28, 2023 20:27:54 GMT -6
I’m not 100% sure on Noblesville. Part of me feels like they could benefit from that late slot and step in front of Homestead, but the homer on me will slot them behind. Final order:
Avon Carmel Brownsburg Carroll Fishers Homestead Noblesville Westfield Center Grove Goshen
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Post by contra on Oct 28, 2023 20:32:34 GMT -6
Bravo Brownsurg! Their best year for sure.
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 20:34:20 GMT -6
At the very first BOA event, BOA officials had to kick Noblesville parents off the props because the parents were so used to track rules. That was 4 years ago. 4!
The very same band here that made Indy Super in a very tough, crowded field and put themselves as a clear contender for state finals. What a journey they've been on. After Fishers finally made state finals, many Indy fans were thinking ISSMA might not being seeing any new finalists for a long while. Imagine the surprise when Noblesville moved to performing competitively! I don't think anyone was thinking Noblesville would rise to the level they are so quickly.
The show was also just absolutely lovely. It's all the best part of glitter without being so campy, full of attitude without being so overbearing, shiny with absolute substance behind the facade. You just know sometimes when the show jumps out at you early in the season- Noblesville had that big statement all the way back in September. Congrats on the incredible year for the program. There's only up from here now.
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Post by midwamericanarts on Oct 28, 2023 20:34:52 GMT -6
Carmel Avon Brownsburg Fishers Carroll Noblesville Homestead Westfield Center Grove Goshen
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Post by Marching Observer on Oct 28, 2023 20:34:56 GMT -6
Well, I'll just put in some quick recaps here with my rankings before awards because with how much against the grain I feel like I'll have been heh. Just let me have my own two cents okay? OKAY?! Hah Class A Rankings 1. Avon (Visual, GE) - So much simultaneous responsibility they do and nail it and just playing craziness for days. Plus this is the largest sound that I've heard Avon have since probably 2010! 2. Carmel (Music) - Look, it won't be the first or last time you hear this from me, they've set the standard of what a symphonic band should sound like on the field (for the state of Indiana...shut up Texas WE KNOW! lol) 3. Brownsburg - Still the best designed show imo the past 3 years. You can tell they are improving because they are doing less work to try and hide visual dirt. They are getting a better ensemble sound each year too. Some attack issues though especially in the closer. I may seem more critical of them but that's because I also see they are getting close to going over the hill into the elite club of groups. 4.Homestead - Let me be a homer okay! But seriously. Compared to Fishers and Goshen, the musical balance and blend Homestead had just felt way ahead. Individual dirt was still very much there and some of the more complex high brass moments weren't locked in but still 2 weeks to clean that. Woodwinds though continue to be the winds strongest point. This show has that Fun band energy that can help them go far and with plenty to still clean and the ability to do so, who knows how it will end up. 5. Carroll - This is tight. Like, very tight! Finally getting to see them, I can see why it's been so close all season long. My more detailed breakdown will go into it but I feel this should be an absolute LOCK for a semi-finals spot even being in the harder panel. Toss a coin and I could easily see ether Homestead or Carroll pushing ahead. 6. Fishers - Sometimes you just gotta go out there and do a straight up FUN show and this is that show. Just puts a smile on your face. However, going on first hurts. And the musical run felt very loose. Some missed attacks. And I'm still not quite sure if the singer is supposed to sound like that as part of a kind of joke...or serious. Which honestly kinda sounds mean but I don't mean it to be. 7. Noblesville - Welcome back to state! They are putting out some great balance and blend in their music. But the winds visual, like a few others, feel like it needs just stepped up a notch as most of the show with a band this size in front of front hash. Really enjoyed the full design and especially the ending. Great way to end the night too! 8. Westfield - Welcome to your first state finals! You epitomize the power of being clean when small. It has served you well. While I enjoyed last years show a little more, this is the show that got you here and that's something to really be proud of. It was a a great performance to be proud of. If this group grows, everyone watch out for them as well now! 9. Goshen - They played like they needed to. Like they were just grateful to be there. It was easily the best run of the season for them. Still feel like te show was a step back from last year but they maxed out their show once again, had fun, and gave off the impression like they DID belong here. 10. Center Grove - This was NOT their run imo. Unforced visual errors, attacks felt off, etc. It all felt off. Hopefully GN prelims is spot on cause the more Indiana bands in Semi's the better! I want to get more detailed thoughts out from all the classes and I really hope to. It would come in a different post later. As always, my two cents are my two cents. With inflation....it still isn't much!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Oct 28, 2023 20:39:47 GMT -6
Well, I'll just put in some quick recaps here with my rankings before awards because with how much against the grain I feel like I'll have been heh. Just let me have my own two cents okay? OKAY?! Hah Class A Rankings 1. Avon (Visual, GE) - So much simultaneous responsibility they do and nail it and just playing craziness for days. Plus this is the largest sound that I've heard Avon have since probably 2010! 2. Carmel (Music) - Look, it won't be the first or last time you hear this from me, they've set the standard of what a symphonic band should sound like on the field (for the state of Indiana...shut up Texas WE KNOW! lol) 3. Brownsburg - Still the best designed show imo the past 3 years. You can tell they are improving because they are doing less work to try and hide visual dirt. They are getting a better ensemble sound each year too. Some attack issues though especially in the closer. I may seem more critical of them but that's because I also see they are getting close to going over the hill into the elite club of groups. 4.Homestead - Let me be a homer okay! But seriously. Compared to Fishers and Goshen, the musical balance and blend Homestead had just felt way ahead. Individual dirt was still very much there and some of the more complex high brass moments weren't locked in but still 2 weeks to clean that. Woodwinds though continue to be the winds strongest point. This show has that Fun band energy that can help them go far and with plenty to still clean and the ability to do so, who knows how it will end up. 5. Carroll - This is tight. Like, very tight! Finally getting to see them, I can see why it's been so close all season long. My more detailed breakdown will go into it but I feel this should be an absolute LOCK for a semi-finals spot even being in the harder panel. Toss a coin and I could easily see ether Homestead or Carroll pushing ahead. 6. Fishers - Sometimes you just gotta go out there and do a straight up FUN show and this is that show. Just puts a smile on your face. However, going on first hurts. And the musical run felt very loose. Some missed attacks. And I'm still not quite sure if the singer is supposed to sound like that as part of a kind of joke...or serious. Which honestly kinda sounds mean but I don't mean it to be. 7. Noblesville - Welcome back to state! They are putting out some great balance and blend in their music. But the winds visual, like a few others, feel like it needs just stepped up a notch as most of the show with a band this size in front of front hash. Really enjoyed the full design and especially the ending. Great way to end the night too! 8. Westfield - Welcome to your first state finals! You epitomize the power of being clean when small. It has served you well. While I enjoyed last years show a little more, this is the show that got you here and that's something to really be proud of. It was a a great performance to be proud of. If this group grows, everyone watch out for them as well now! 9. Goshen - They played like they needed to. Like they were just grateful to be there. It was easily the best run of the season for them. Still feel like te show was a step back from last year but they maxed out their show once again, had fun, and gave off the impression like they DID belong here. 10. Center Grove - This was NOT their run imo. Unforced visual errors, attacks felt off, etc. It all felt off. Hopefully GN prelims is spot on cause the more Indiana bands in Semi's the better! I want to get more detailed thoughts out from all the classes and I really hope to. It would come in a different post later. As always, my two cents are my two cents. With inflation....it still isn't much! Hope you’re right, but man I think the homer vibe is strong with you. Ha ha.
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Post by oldschooldrummer on Oct 28, 2023 20:41:13 GMT -6
Well, I'll just put in some quick recaps here with my rankings before awards because with how much against the grain I feel like I'll have been heh. Just let me have my own two cents okay? OKAY?! Hah Class A Rankings 1. Avon (Visual, GE) - So much simultaneous responsibility they do and nail it and just playing craziness for days. Plus this is the largest sound that I've heard Avon have since probably 2010! 2. Carmel (Music) - Look, it won't be the first or last time you hear this from me, they've set the standard of what a symphonic band should sound like on the field (for the state of Indiana...shut up Texas WE KNOW! lol) 3. Brownsburg - Still the best designed show imo the past 3 years. You can tell they are improving because they are doing less work to try and hide visual dirt. They are getting a better ensemble sound each year too. Some attack issues though especially in the closer. I may seem more critical of them but that's because I also see they are getting close to going over the hill into the elite club of groups. 4.Homestead - Let me be a homer okay! But seriously. Compared to Fishers and Goshen, the musical balance and blend Homestead had just felt way ahead. Individual dirt was still very much there and some of the more complex high brass moments weren't locked in but still 2 weeks to clean that. Woodwinds though continue to be the winds strongest point. This show has that Fun band energy that can help them go far and with plenty to still clean and the ability to do so, who knows how it will end up. 5. Carroll - This is tight. Like, very tight! Finally getting to see them, I can see why it's been so close all season long. My more detailed breakdown will go into it but I feel this should be an absolute LOCK for a semi-finals spot even being in the harder panel. Toss a coin and I could easily see ether Homestead or Carroll pushing ahead. 6. Fishers - Sometimes you just gotta go out there and do a straight up FUN show and this is that show. Just puts a smile on your face. However, going on first hurts. And the musical run felt very loose. Some missed attacks. And I'm still not quite sure if the singer is supposed to sound like that as part of a kind of joke...or serious. Which honestly kinda sounds mean but I don't mean it to be. 7. Noblesville - Welcome back to state! They are putting out some great balance and blend in their music. But the winds visual, like a few others, feel like it needs just stepped up a notch as most of the show with a band this size in front of front hash. Really enjoyed the full design and especially the ending. Great way to end the night too! 8. Westfield - Welcome to your first state finals! You epitomize the power of being clean when small. It has served you well. While I enjoyed last years show a little more, this is the show that got you here and that's something to really be proud of. It was a a great performance to be proud of. If this group grows, everyone watch out for them as well now! 9. Goshen - They played like they needed to. Like they were just grateful to be there. It was easily the best run of the season for them. Still feel like te show was a step back from last year but they maxed out their show once again, had fun, and gave off the impression like they DID belong here. 10. Center Grove - This was NOT their run imo. Unforced visual errors, attacks felt off, etc. It all felt off. Hopefully GN prelims is spot on cause the more Indiana bands in Semi's the better! I want to get more detailed thoughts out from all the classes and I really hope to. It would come in a different post later. As always, my two cents are my two cents. With inflation....it still isn't much! Hope you’re right, but man I think the homer vibe is strong with you. Ha ha. I love the comments between you guys. It’s always a joy to see your passion and excitement for marching band. Greatly appreciate your thoughts and input.
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 20:41:47 GMT -6
Here's what I got:
Avon Carmel Brownsburg Carroll Fishers Homestead Noblesville Center Grove Westfield Goshen
I know there's a bit of a dark shadow on the results, but honestly, no one looked nor performed out of place. We got the A game from everyone tonight. Congrats to all Class A bands!
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Post by thewho on Oct 28, 2023 20:47:40 GMT -6
One kudos to ISSMA for the 50th anniversary- bringing back some of the ISSMA legends for the fanfare. I am geeking out here.
Class A- Jim Butz (Ben Davis) Class B- Jon Sutton (Greenwood) Class C- Brian Caldwell (Western) Class D- Bill Laughlin (Paoli) National Anthem- Doug Fletcher (Winchester Community)
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