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Post by drumcorpsgeek on Jun 17, 2020 14:20:55 GMT -6
Using LOL to talk about a virus that has claimed more than 110000 lives in this country is disturbing.
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Post by angelee on Jun 17, 2020 14:21:52 GMT -6
Certainly not pointing any fingers, but it seems there are some people on hornrank who have forgotten that there are students and staff members who are immunocompromised and still participate in the marching band activity I was just about to point the immunocompromised part out. It’s clear that many of you either don’t care about someone who is, or don’t know who someone who is. There are several people close to me who are and to see many here say “There’s no problem with this. Go on. If you’re scared the hell with you” is quite sad. There was a huge story here in Indiana back in March about several people, coaches and spectators, in the basketball community getting sick and dying of COVID-19. And now just seems like some people on this forum just want to have that repeat itself. Who cares about everyone else. I need my normalcy! 🙄 The inconvenience is temporary. For the health of the community and for ourselves. Edited to add that this was stemming from one game in Indianapolis. I can’t remember the school that hosted a playoff game if I remember right.
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Post by angelee on Jun 17, 2020 14:23:17 GMT -6
So what about when I go to band/school, then bring it home to an immunocompromised love ones? So be extra careful around them. If you're wiling to give up your activities for them great! I am not because life is worth living when the next day is not guaranteed. Call it whatever you want... idc what you give up or don't personally. Sometimes, it’s not about you.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 14:27:29 GMT -6
Using LOL to talk about a virus that has claimed more than 110000 lives in this country is disturbing. The real number is less than 110,000, and like that other poster said they almost all had preexisting conditions (which is a lot of America because the obesity problem here is huge).
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 14:30:07 GMT -6
How is the claim that the virus is in the ocean not funny? That's when LA county closed their beaches to surfers and than david muir gets on world news saying corona virus is in the water... does anyone honesty believe this? LOL
(that's when you laugh)
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 14:50:50 GMT -6
People are holding on to their fear as if its their security blanket... There are lots of places that testing WAY more. Testing employees ect. and those people will develop antibodies and god willing will prevent this from becoming a big deal in the fall. With all of this civil unrest marching side by side for weeks we have not seen an increase in hospitalizations which is all that matters.
If you do nothing at all the curve will flatten on its own. In any pandemic its the venerable that get hit first and the hardest and then the curve will flatten. It had nothing to do with masks, social distancing, bathing in purel... that just how all outbreaks happen. Like I said there is no such thing as social distancing in public health. The government official s cannot go back and say "wow this was a mistake," because you cannot prove the negative. Mind you it has done very little to protect people but it will actually weaken your immunity if you wear a mask all the time. N95 masks protect the wearer (assuming they're not smoking, eating, scratching) but they don't filter the air you breathe out. On the other hand surgical masks are not meant to be worn for hours and hours and only meant to be worn in sterile environments. It then causes you breathe around the mask and then breathe in what you just breathed out.
People are using the case numbers to bolster their pet projects and fears, that's it.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 17, 2020 15:05:00 GMT -6
Try being a school administrator in the middle of all this. Your decisions affect 100s if not 1000s. Have a little grace for us as we make some of the hardest decisions we have ever made in our entire lives. I feel as if the weight of the entire state of Texas is resting on my shoulders these days. I can only imagine how the school district administrators feel.
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Post by Jake W. on Jun 17, 2020 15:10:05 GMT -6
With all of this civil unrest marching side by side for weeks we have not seen an increase in hospitalizations which is all that matters. Just to be clear, this is simply not true. Arizona & Texas in particular are seeing some of their highest spikes in CoViD hospitalizations yet. This last week has been particularly rough on each state.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 15:17:12 GMT -6
With all of this civil unrest marching side by side for weeks we have not seen an increase in hospitalizations which is all that matters. Just to be clear, this is simply not true. Arizona & Texas in particular are seeing some of their highest spikes in CoViD hospitalizations yet. This last week has been particularly rough on each state. Are they overwhelmed though? Is Abbott running around asking for ventilators like Cuomo? They can contain it so far.
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Post by Jake W. on Jun 17, 2020 15:28:33 GMT -6
Just to be clear, this is simply not true. Arizona & Texas in particular are seeing some of their highest spikes in CoViD hospitalizations yet. This last week has been particularly rough on each state. Are they overwhelmed though? Is Abbott running around asking for ventilators like Cuomo? They can contain it so far. Sure, it does seem to be contained at the moment, but each states' hospitalizations from CoViD are ramping up quickly. What's your point, though? You specifically mentioned a lack of increases in hospitalizations across the nation, which is patently not true, and that's all I was pointing out. You didn't include a qualifier about hospitals being overwhelmed.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 15:37:30 GMT -6
Are they overwhelmed though? Is Abbott running around asking for ventilators like Cuomo? They can contain it so far. Sure, it does seem to be contained at the moment, but each states' hospitalizations from CoViD are ramping up quickly. What's your point, though? You specifically mentioned a lack of increases in hospitalizations across the nation, which is patently not true, and that's all I was pointing out. You didn't include a qualifier about hospitals being overwhelmed. Sure it's increasing but not at levels worth noting or that they cannot handle. Then they'll come and say "you're fine if you want people to die." it is also worth nothing that there is no proof that the social distancing measures are contributing to the case load or hospitalization rate in any such way.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 17, 2020 15:48:56 GMT -6
Sure, it does seem to be contained at the moment, but each states' hospitalizations from CoViD are ramping up quickly. What's your point, though? You specifically mentioned a lack of increases in hospitalizations across the nation, which is patently not true, and that's all I was pointing out. You didn't include a qualifier about hospitals being overwhelmed. Sure it's increasing but not at levels worth noting or that they cannot handle. Then they'll come and say "you're fine if you want people to die." it is also worth nothing that there is no proof that the social distancing measures are contributing to the case load or hospitalization rate in any such way. marimba11 it’s time to shut up about this. You aren’t gaining any ground here, and in fact are trying everyone’s patience, including mine. While I think you make a few valid points, your delivery is sucking massively. I give kudos to everyone here for not completely tearing you a new one. I’ve got a vicious headache today and it’s making even me want to tear your head off and feed it back to you. Can you please take a break from trying to convince us all that Corona is just like the common cold and give it a rest? I don’t want to have to lock this thread down because everyone has a right to say how they feel, but I’m fast losing all patience with your total lack of compassion. I get it. Not every one thinks this thing is the death sentence the media has convinced most of us it is. But it’s time to back off. You aren’t accomplishing anything now other than convincing a good number of us that you are a heartless jerk. And I don’t like thinking that way. Please just give it a rest.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 16:05:27 GMT -6
Sure it's increasing but not at levels worth noting or that they cannot handle. Then they'll come and say "you're fine if you want people to die." it is also worth nothing that there is no proof that the social distancing measures are contributing to the case load or hospitalization rate in any such way. marimba11 it’s time to shut up about this. You aren’t gaining any ground here, and in fact are trying everyone’s patience, including mine. While I think you make a few valid points, your delivery is sucking massively. I give kudos to everyone here for not completely tearing you a new one. I’ve got a vicious headache today and it’s making even me want to tear your head off and feed it back to you. Can you please take a break from trying to convince us all that Corona is just like the common cold and give it a rest? I don’t want to have to lock this thread down because everyone has a right to say how they feel, but I’m fast losing all patience with your total lack of compassion. I get it. Not every one thinks this thing is the death sentence the media has convinced most of us it is. But it’s time to back off. You aren’t accomplishing anything now other than convincing a good number of us that you are a heartless jerk. And I don’t like thinking that way. Please just give it a rest. Why on earth would you shut it down. We're having a healthy discussion, nobody is upset to the point they are offended (and if they are they should PM me). Your "lack of compassion" is my opinion on public policy. it's too bad corona virus has a direct relationship to marching band, yet everything does because we all must suffer equally in the era of covid.
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Post by paddy on Jun 17, 2020 16:07:40 GMT -6
One would think that anyone who has spent time in this activity would understand the idea of sacrificing for the good of the group...
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Jun 17, 2020 16:37:22 GMT -6
Sure it's increasing but not at levels worth noting or that they cannot handle. Then they'll come and say "you're fine if you want people to die." it is also worth nothing that there is no proof that the social distancing measures are contributing to the case load or hospitalization rate in any such way. marimba11 it’s time to shut up about this. You aren’t gaining any ground here, and in fact are trying everyone’s patience, including mine. While I think you make a few valid points, your delivery is sucking massively. I give kudos to everyone here for not completely tearing you a new one. I’ve got a vicious headache today and it’s making even me want to tear your head off and feed it back to you. Can you please take a break from trying to convince us all that Corona is just like the common cold and give it a rest? I don’t want to have to lock this thread down because everyone has a right to say how they feel, but I’m fast losing all patience with your total lack of compassion. I get it. Not every one thinks this thing is the death sentence the media has convinced most of us it is. But it’s time to back off. You aren’t accomplishing anything now other than convincing a good number of us that you are a heartless jerk. And I don’t like thinking that way. Please just give it a rest. I'm not really buying into all of Marimba's arguments, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's displaying a lack of compassion. Yes, he's being quite aggressive in defending his points, but being an ass myself I'm not bothered by that. And really, is his attitude really that far off of what many of our elected officials are mirroring in action, if not words? Sure they would never articulate it in such a way, but when States like Texas, Florida, North and South Carolina are the first to open up and then continue to lead the charge as their numbers hit record highs...what are we to think? Aren't they practicing what Marimba is preaching?
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 17, 2020 16:44:31 GMT -6
marimba11 it’s time to shut up about this. You aren’t gaining any ground here, and in fact are trying everyone’s patience, including mine. While I think you make a few valid points, your delivery is sucking massively. I give kudos to everyone here for not completely tearing you a new one. I’ve got a vicious headache today and it’s making even me want to tear your head off and feed it back to you. Can you please take a break from trying to convince us all that Corona is just like the common cold and give it a rest? I don’t want to have to lock this thread down because everyone has a right to say how they feel, but I’m fast losing all patience with your total lack of compassion. I get it. Not every one thinks this thing is the death sentence the media has convinced most of us it is. But it’s time to back off. You aren’t accomplishing anything now other than convincing a good number of us that you are a heartless jerk. And I don’t like thinking that way. Please just give it a rest. I'm not really buying into all of Marimba's arguments, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's displaying a lack of compassion. Yes, he's being quite aggressive in defending his points, but being an ass myself I'm not bothered by that. And really, is his attitude really that far off of what many of our elected officials are mirroring in action, if not words? Sure they would never articulate it in such a way, but when States like Texas, Florida, North and South Carolina are the first to open up and then continue to lead the charge as their numbers hit record highs...what are we to think? Aren't they practicing what Marimba is preaching? I don’t know.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 17, 2020 18:16:40 GMT -6
marimba11 it’s time to shut up about this. You aren’t gaining any ground here, and in fact are trying everyone’s patience, including mine. While I think you make a few valid points, your delivery is sucking massively. I give kudos to everyone here for not completely tearing you a new one. I’ve got a vicious headache today and it’s making even me want to tear your head off and feed it back to you. Can you please take a break from trying to convince us all that Corona is just like the common cold and give it a rest? I don’t want to have to lock this thread down because everyone has a right to say how they feel, but I’m fast losing all patience with your total lack of compassion. I get it. Not every one thinks this thing is the death sentence the media has convinced most of us it is. But it’s time to back off. You aren’t accomplishing anything now other than convincing a good number of us that you are a heartless jerk. And I don’t like thinking that way. Please just give it a rest. I'm not really buying into all of Marimba's arguments, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's displaying a lack of compassion. Yes, he's being quite aggressive in defending his points, but being an ass myself I'm not bothered by that. And really, is his attitude really that far off of what many of our elected officials are mirroring in action, if not words? Sure they would never articulate it in such a way, but when States like Texas, Florida, North and South Carolina are the first to open up and then continue to lead the charge as their numbers hit record highs...what are we to think? Aren't they practicing what Marimba is preaching? That is exactly what they are preaching, maybe not in such an outwardly way 😉. This “heartless jerk” doesn’t mean to hijack the thread to perhaps have monopoly over the source of opinion, that’s is not my intention. I’m sure all the admin are having a field day denouncing me on their private chats. But I’m just stating my opinion like many of you do about an issue that effects all of us. I want to get out to competitions and watch our fantastic bands in the nation performance at their best. And if we stay inside and hide and waste an entire year of life because of covid... well that’s just not good enough for me and the data doesn’t support it.
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Post by angelee on Jun 17, 2020 18:28:16 GMT -6
I'm not really buying into all of Marimba's arguments, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's displaying a lack of compassion. Yes, he's being quite aggressive in defending his points, but being an ass myself I'm not bothered by that. And really, is his attitude really that far off of what many of our elected officials are mirroring in action, if not words? Sure they would never articulate it in such a way, but when States like Texas, Florida, North and South Carolina are the first to open up and then continue to lead the charge as their numbers hit record highs...what are we to think? Aren't they practicing what Marimba is preaching? That is exactly what they are preaching, maybe not in such an outwardly way 😉. This “heartless jerk” doesn’t mean to hijack the thread to perhaps have monopoly over the source of opinion, that’s is not my intention. I’m sure all the admin are having a field day denouncing me on their private chats. But I’m just stating my opinion like many of you do about an issue that effects all of us. I want to get out to competitions and watch our fantastic bands in the nation performance at their best. And if we stay inside and hide and waste an entire year of life because of covid... well that’s just not good enough for me and the data doesn’t support it. Well, I for one am not wasting a year of life due to COVID. It’s been an awakening in my household. My oldest son is a Madison Scout whose season was cancelled. But he’s and his Blue Devil dad are participating in their virtual MadU, playing their horns together, and are mass listening and watching drum corps. They would never have done that without this time (my son just graduated and is off to college eventually). My freshman is gearing up for whatever band looks like this year. I have absolute faith that the band director is going to give him an excellent experience in whatever this fall looks like. I’m learning new skills. My youngest two are gonna murder each other but are best friends. So, you only get out what you put in. I just do not understand this mindset. Sorry your normal isn’t normal anymore. But adjust and adapt. Pretending that data is false doesn’t change the reality.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Jun 17, 2020 18:39:40 GMT -6
I think we can all agree that each and every one of us want this virus gone and things back to normal. Yes we are missing DCI and don't want fall BOA to be cancelled. Like everything these days, this virus has become overly politicized. Many of us have strong opinions on how things should be handled, but in reality, each one of us has no control over what the virus will do and what school administrators plan of action will be come the fall. When these forums turn into open arguments, they tend to sour people from them. I think over the last year, we have found this to be an awesome forum for discussions about bands, and drum corps and winter guard. I think we should try to stick to that and agree to disagree on how governments, schools and the general public handle this crisis we are in. In short, lets not ruin the good thing that we have going on these amazing forums.
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Post by Allohak on Jun 17, 2020 19:09:39 GMT -6
I think we can all agree that each and every one of us want this virus gone and things back to normal. Yes we are missing DCI and don't want fall BOA to be cancelled. Like everything these days, this virus has become overly politicized. Many of us have strong opinions on how things should be handled, but in reality, each one of us has no control over what the virus will do and what school administrators plan of action will be come the fall. When these forums turn into open arguments, they tend to sour people from them. I think over the last year, we have found this to be an awesome forum for discussions about bands, and drum corps and winter guard. I think we should try to stick to that and agree to disagree on how governments, schools and the general public handle this crisis we are in. In short, lets not ruin the good thing that we have going on these amazing forums. Amen
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Post by hewhowaits on Jun 18, 2020 6:05:54 GMT -6
I will say this. If we can manage to wash our hands, stay the eff away from one another, and just be smart about staying home when sick, we might be able to kick covid in the butt. In a very real sense the correct statement here would be "we could kick ALL contagious diseases in the butt." It's not just about staying home if you might have CoV-SARS-2 - you can avoid spreading the flu and the common cold by doing the same thing.
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Post by hewhowaits on Jun 18, 2020 6:09:46 GMT -6
Do you know all your pre-existing conditions? How about those of your parents and your children? Yes. Yes, I do. As well of those of my wife, my in-laws, my brothers, my grandchildren, and even most of those conditions for my close friends. What's your point with this question?
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Post by hewhowaits on Jun 18, 2020 6:15:44 GMT -6
With all of this civil unrest marching side by side for weeks we have not seen an increase in hospitalizations which is all that matters. Just to be clear, this is simply not true. Arizona & Texas in particular are seeing some of their highest spikes in CoViD hospitalizations yet. This last week has been particularly rough on each state. What isn't clear, however, is whether the spikes are in any way related to the protest groups or simply to being two to three weeks after restrictions were loosened. North Carolina had an increase in hospitalizations beginning 16 days after salons and restaurants reopened and 12 days after the largest protests in the state. Which factor caused the spike?
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Post by hewhowaits on Jun 18, 2020 6:24:23 GMT -6
I’m sure all the admin are having a field day denouncing me on their private chats. Moderator hat here: There have been no conversations among the moderators denouncing you, nor will there ever be such a discussion. jeremiah would remove every one of us who did such a thing from the moderator list and deservedly so. LeanderMomma made a statement that she felt it may be necessary to close the thread due to the direction it was taking. It has not reached the point where she felt it necessary to start a conversation about it amongst the moderators.
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 18, 2020 6:56:51 GMT -6
I’m sure all the admin are having a field day denouncing me on their private chats. Moderator hat here: There have been no conversations among the moderators denouncing you, nor will there ever be such a discussion. jeremiah would remove every one of us who did such a thing from the moderator list and deservedly so. LeanderMomma made a statement that she felt it may be necessary to close the thread due to the direction it was taking. It has not reached the point where she felt it necessary to start a conversation about it amongst the moderators. I know it is fine, i'm basically joking. If I was a moderator i'd probably be talking about me... "what a loon this guy is!" " must have a lot of time."
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Post by twhsalumniparent on Jun 18, 2020 7:13:08 GMT -6
Moderator hat here: There have been no conversations among the moderators denouncing you, nor will there ever be such a discussion. jeremiah would remove every one of us who did such a thing from the moderator list and deservedly so. LeanderMomma made a statement that she felt it may be necessary to close the thread due to the direction it was taking. It has not reached the point where she felt it necessary to start a conversation about it amongst the moderators. I know it is fine, i'm basically joking. If I was a moderator i'd probably be talking about me... "what a loon this guy is!" " must have a lot of time." Nah, you aren't a loon, just interpreting things in a manner that is not the same as many people that comment. You and I are rather aligned, and there are others, but we tend to be quiet online (but less so in the real world).
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Post by marimba11 on Jun 18, 2020 7:17:22 GMT -6
I know it is fine, i'm basically joking. If I was a moderator i'd probably be talking about me... "what a loon this guy is!" " must have a lot of time." Nah, you aren't a loon, just interpreting things in a manner that is not the same as many people that comment. You and I are rather aligned, and there are others, but we tend to be quiet online (but less so in the real world). Yes, that is a perfect description.
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Post by LeanderMomma on Jun 18, 2020 7:21:50 GMT -6
Moderator hat here: There have been no conversations among the moderators denouncing you, nor will there ever be such a discussion. jeremiah would remove every one of us who did such a thing from the moderator list and deservedly so. LeanderMomma made a statement that she felt it may be necessary to close the thread due to the direction it was taking. It has not reached the point where she felt it necessary to start a conversation about it amongst the moderators. I know it is fine, i'm basically joking. If I was a moderator i'd probably be talking about me... "what a loon this guy is!" " must have a lot of time." No, the only discussion we have had is whether or not we let OldSchoolTrumpet stick around or if we should just go ahead and do everyone a favor and ban him. KIDDING!! (Hopefully y’all know I’m totally joking about that!) But no, marimba11 there hasn’t been any moderator discussion regarding this topic. I was simply trying to diffuse the situation, and I was aggravated with the tone you were using. It’s a more sensitive area for some of us than others, and I just ask that we all have a little more grace for one another during these uneasy times. Carry on.
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Post by angelee on Jun 18, 2020 7:22:38 GMT -6
I know every admin in this country is struggling right now to “make the right call”. No matter what they do, they will ultimately piss off half their families. Those who choose to believe that there is a real threat to well being and to those who believe it’s all a hoax, whatever the admin chooses is going to alienate the other part. I’m on the team helping to make this decision in my district (for not just school, but all activities involved) and it’s been hard watching the flip flopping our team makes in just the small amount of time between meetings. All in all, we are working together with local health officials and surrounding districts to do what we feel is best at the time. Someone is going to be upset. It’s pathetic politics play a role at all. This should be a decision made using the advice of the experts.
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Post by twhsalumniparent on Jun 18, 2020 7:30:42 GMT -6
That is exactly what they are preaching, maybe not in such an outwardly way 😉. This “heartless jerk” doesn’t mean to hijack the thread to perhaps have monopoly over the source of opinion, that’s is not my intention. I’m sure all the admin are having a field day denouncing me on their private chats. But I’m just stating my opinion like many of you do about an issue that effects all of us. I want to get out to competitions and watch our fantastic bands in the nation performance at their best. And if we stay inside and hide and waste an entire year of life because of covid... well that’s just not good enough for me and the data doesn’t support it. Well, I for one am not wasting a year of life due to COVID. It’s been an awakening in my household. My oldest son is a Madison Scout whose season was cancelled. But he’s and his Blue Devil dad are participating in their virtual MadU, playing their horns together, and are mass listening and watching drum corps. They would never have done that without this time (my son just graduated and is off to college eventually). My freshman is gearing up for whatever band looks like this year. I have absolute faith that the band director is going to give him an excellent experience in whatever this fall looks like. I’m learning new skills. My youngest two are gonna murder each other but are best friends. So, you only get out what you put in. I just do not understand this mindset. Sorry your normal isn’t normal anymore. But adjust and adapt. Pretending that data is false doesn’t change the reality. Focusing on your last sentences - be aware it is really a double edged sword, and that hasn't stopped obviously wrong positions being pushed to support a particular narrative regardless of who/what is pushing it (I am not pushing one "side" or the other with that statement). Instead of making a broad statement you have to prove that the data is wrong. When you are able to do so, then you'll find that those of us that are data driven will actually agree with you. We will never agree if all you do is try to beat us over the head without using data.
Here is more data from where I sit - my county (as of the morning of June 18, 2020) has a population of around 610,000 (607,391 per the official website, linked below). Total confirmed cases - 1,428 or 0.235% of the population. Total tests 22,688 or 3.6% of the population. There have been a total of 33 deaths here, 811 recoveries and 584 currently active. Currently there are 11 hospitalizations (there was a peak on May 19 with 61). So, purely from a local perspective, there is and never was a reason to fear. Take precautions as I've outlined previously (wash hands regularly as the single most effective thing you can do), understand that if you get sick you are far more likely to recover than not, and get on with your life. Live life in spite of the fact we are all going to die, rather than in fear of that fact. I wish you and everyone here the best!
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