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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Mar 19, 2020 7:17:53 GMT -6
For anyone referencing the 18 months factor, there is no way that we can live 18 months with social distancing. We will have to learn to live with the the virus, as we do with the flu and other diseases. Yes it might take 18 months, but by that time there may be more deaths out of frustration than the virus itself, as sad as it is to say. The worldwide economic situation will eventually dictate what happens. You can't turn off the world forever. Ultimately the damage from global economic depression will be far more catastrophic than loss of life from the virus. Hard decision will have to be made. Like an over-full life boat sinking in the ocean. Just my opinion.
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Post by hewhowaits on Mar 25, 2020 6:20:52 GMT -6
FWIW, Music For All is proceeding as though the season is going to happen. Everyone who has previously worked as event staff (not volunteers) received a reminder email yesterday to be sure to submit event availability for the season by March 31.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Mar 25, 2020 8:20:58 GMT -6
FWIW, Music For All is proceeding as though the season is going to happen. Everyone who has previously worked as event staff (not volunteers) received a reminder email yesterday to be sure to submit event availability for the season by March 31. Glad to hear this!
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Post by jeremiah on Mar 25, 2020 10:46:54 GMT -6
FWIW, Music For All is proceeding as though the season is going to happen. Everyone who has previously worked as event staff (not volunteers) received a reminder email yesterday to be sure to submit event availability for the season by March 31. not surprising considering how they proceeded as if national festival was happening until after it started despite being under a state of emergency for multiple days prior to the beginning...
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Post by TeamIndiana on Mar 26, 2020 15:12:46 GMT -6
FWIW, Music For All is proceeding as though the season is going to happen. Everyone who has previously worked as event staff (not volunteers) received a reminder email yesterday to be sure to submit event availability for the season by March 31. Sure, and as of now there is no reason to cancel. Too far away. Sadly I would not be surprised if we see the 2020 season canceled, and we honestly should prepare for it. Crazy times we are living in. Wishing everyone safety and health during this time of uncertainty.
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Post by kvbrass on Mar 27, 2020 12:48:23 GMT -6
I’m so concerned for the designers who do that full time. With DCI gone and then possibly losing fall. Band programs are going to struggle regardless.
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Post by dallasman on Mar 28, 2020 14:19:39 GMT -6
In light of the massive damage that this virus is causing to business and everyday life, I call for BOA to be proactive and cancel the fall championships. DCI's situation was more timely & real, but let's get REAL... this is probably going to be forced upon everyone soon enough. Perhaps that is something that we will see come June or July, but I think they owe it to the school districts, especially the larger, struggling school districts (for the arts), to call this off now. It's only marching band, but there are several other ways to perform.
Let's create contests consisting of students playing their instruments via video conference/FaceTime, etc. Judge/praise/ridicule those performances. That would be far better than wondering if a bunch of band parents or students can get everyone else sick.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Mar 28, 2020 16:45:35 GMT -6
In light of the massive damage that this virus is causing to business and everyday life, I call for BOA to be proactive and cancel the fall championships. DCI's situation was more timely & real, but let's get REAL... this is probably going to be forced upon everyone soon enough. Perhaps that is something that we will see come June or July, but I think they owe it to the school districts, especially the larger, struggling school districts (for the arts), to call this off now. It's only marching band, but there are several other ways to perform. Let's create contests consisting of students playing their instruments via video conference/FaceTime, etc. Judge/praise/ridicule those performances. That would be far better than wondering if a bunch of band parents or students can get everyone else sick. Can you, with your Chicken Little attitude, give a single GOOD reason to cancel this far ahead? Any reason that accomplishes anything that could not also be accomplished by waiting another three months? I sincerely hope that nobody in charge is so gutless.
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Post by buckeyeguy5 on Mar 28, 2020 17:24:32 GMT -6
In light of the massive damage that this virus is causing to business and everyday life, I call for BOA to be proactive and cancel the fall championships. DCI's situation was more timely & real, but let's get REAL... this is probably going to be forced upon everyone soon enough. Perhaps that is something that we will see come June or July, but I think they owe it to the school districts, especially the larger, struggling school districts (for the arts), to call this off now. It's only marching band, but there are several other ways to perform. Let's create contests consisting of students playing their instruments via video conference/FaceTime, etc. Judge/praise/ridicule those performances. That would be far better than wondering if a bunch of band parents or students can get everyone else sick. Band has changed my life for the better. Especially Grand Nationals. And no not because we won 3 in a row... it’s because of the feeling everyone gets after their final run of the show in Lucas Oil Stadium. It’s like nothing else. I remember listening to the last chords echo in Lucas Oil. Especially as a senior. That is the feeling of accomplishment, a culminating final note, final time playing your instrument in your uniform, your last time being a part of the band program that you have given four maybe five years worth of blood sweat and tears for. I will never forget the feelings I got crying my eyes out during our closer this year... I want everyone that wants this same feeling to have the opportunity and if BoA cancels the fall, this would be a devastating mistake.
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Post by ilikeguard on Mar 28, 2020 20:56:11 GMT -6
In light of the massive damage that this virus is causing to business and everyday life, I call for BOA to be proactive and cancel the fall championships. DCI's situation was more timely & real, but let's get REAL... this is probably going to be forced upon everyone soon enough. Perhaps that is something that we will see come June or July, but I think they owe it to the school districts, especially the larger, struggling school districts (for the arts), to call this off now. It's only marching band, but there are several other ways to perform. Let's create contests consisting of students playing their instruments via video conference/FaceTime, etc. Judge/praise/ridicule those performances. That would be far better than wondering if a bunch of band parents or students can get everyone else sick. It is March 28. The first BOA Championship is September 19. That is 175 days from today. Let’s think 175 days ago. That was October 5, 2019, a Saturday where many if not all of us were either attending or watching a band competition. Did anyone here legitimately think that 175 days from then we would be in our current condition? Come on. I get that it is great to be proactive, but who knows what is to come in the next 175 days. There are so many factors to take into consideration. Also, a quick few points off of what you said. 1. BOA would be hurt significantly financially if the season were to cancel. Maybe not in as bad of a situation as DCI or its member corps, but it will not be an easy decision to make. 2. Schools that are bad off in the arts don’t compete in BOA. And even if they do, they don’t make up a large part of the participating ensembles. 3. For you to say “it’s only marching band” is insulting not only to myself but all of the other hardworking marching band members, staff, judges, volunteers, etc. that make up this fine community. I am currently a freshman in High School. I get 8 concerts throughout my time here. 1 has already been cancelled and that makes up 13 percent of my performance opportunities as a High School musician on the concert stage. When we talk about marching band, most high school students get somewhere from 3-6 years of marching experience. I am lucky enough that the way my schools music program is setup I get 6 years. Some of the most successful programs in BOA only give students 3 years. To lose one of those seasons, especially if a student is in their senior year, is absolutely devastating. So maybe before you make a “it’s just marching band” claim, you think about the students that will be absolutely devastated to lose one of these marching seasons. Sure maybe this will end up being the decision that is made. I for one might not be surprised to see that happen, no matter how much I don’t want it to happen. But in this time of absolute devastation among so many in this activity where indoor season and DCI seasons were already cancelled, let alone the impact that this crisis is having on students education, where hard work that has been put in is going to waste and students are sitting around worrying what this might mean for their future, even though it probably will mean nothing. This is not the time for this decision to be made, and it sure is not time for you to insult the hardworking members of the marching arts by saying that “it’s just marching band” This might be a bit off topic, but did you say you’re a freshman in high school? I would never have guessed! Sometimes I feel too young to be here, and I’m in college 😅 Back to the topic, I love what you just said. It’s so strange to think about how that amount of time ago, we were only in the first half of the competitive season, and that a mere six months later we don’t know if we’ll get to be in that same position this year. Like you said, for some students in this activity, especially in the more competitive ensembles, missing one year removes a huge chunk of experience that student will get in high school. I agree that it’s not just marching band- it’s the activity that keeps many students hanging on during some of the most chaotic years of their life. If it happens, those kids will need more than a pat on the back. Starting the anxiety now, before we know anything, is not helpful in the least. I have some friends my age who are fearing for their future because they’re employed full-time by high school marching bands. Students, parents, teachers, coaches, technicians, designers— they’re all under enormous pressure right now. Prepare for the worst, but don’t assume it! No matter what, this year will make history, be it on the field or not.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Mar 29, 2020 5:26:37 GMT -6
It's very understandable that emotions are running high right now. Let's keep things civil. Yes we are all mad about WGI and DCI and worried about BOA. I have no doubt BOA will take the health and safety of the students and spectators into consideration and take the appropriate action in a timely manner. I am sure like all other fall activities planned this year, they will monitor how events unfold over the next few months and then make a decision. This is all uncharted territory.
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Post by dallasman on Mar 29, 2020 15:23:20 GMT -6
Can you, with your Chicken Little attitude, give a single GOOD reason to cancel this far ahead? Any reason that accomplishes anything that could not also be accomplished by waiting another three months? I sincerely hope that nobody in charge is so gutless. Don’t worry “it’s just marching band”. Tell that to some kid who has been saved by this activity. I think they can survive a year without marching at a BOA Championship. There are far more competitions that could be fielded, if a season isn't called off altogether.
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Post by dallasman on Mar 29, 2020 15:26:55 GMT -6
Can you, with your Chicken Little attitude, give a single GOOD reason to cancel this far ahead? Any reason that accomplishes anything that could not also be accomplished by waiting another three months? I sincerely hope that nobody in charge is so gutless. Gutless would be doing nothing. I can tell you don't really care for me because my life doesn't revolve around this activity, but that's your problem. Obviously, groups have to plan and several hundred participate in BOA events and I'm sure would appreciate the lead time. It's money, time, planning, fundraising & scheduling. It is far more considerate than your approach would be. Have they canceled their Summer Symposium yet? That should be the first domino. Hopefully, they'll be back for 2021 concert season. At minimum, cancel all BOA regionals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 15:29:58 GMT -6
At minimum, cancel all BOA regionals. bruh
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Post by Samuel Culper on Mar 29, 2020 15:38:51 GMT -6
Gutless would be doing nothing. I can tell you don't really care for me because my life doesn't revolve around this activity, but that's your problem. Obviously, groups have to plan and several hundred participate in BOA events and I'm sure would appreciate the lead time. It's money, time, planning, fundraising & scheduling. It is far more considerate than your approach would be. Have they canceled their Summer Symposium yet? That should be the first domino. Hopefully, they'll be back for 2021 concert season. At minimum, cancel all BOA regionals. You know nothing about me and you did not give a reason to cancel that accomplishes anything that could not be accomplished by waiting another three months or more.
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Post by thewho on Mar 29, 2020 17:36:19 GMT -6
Alright we'll close this down for a bit. No personal attacks.
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Post by stlbanddad on Apr 27, 2020 13:45:20 GMT -6
In any other time this would sound ridiculous, but given that MLB, NBA, NHL, etc are all discussing seemingly unthinkable possibilities for getting a season in...
If push comes to shove, what would be the roadblocks to moving the entire BOA season to spring?
I'm not trying to debate what is going to happen in the future with the virus, distancing, stay at home orders, etc... Just a thought exercise to create some discussion IF it becomes evident that a fall season is going to be drastically changed or cancelled altogether.
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Post by hewhowaits on Apr 27, 2020 14:01:34 GMT -6
If push comes to shove, what would be the roadblocks to moving the entire BOA season to spring? Preparation and rehearsal would be a big roadblock. The traditional band camp and other summer rehearsals are key to getting significant portions of most shows in place. The remainder of shows is added and tweaked during the season, based in part on feedback from judges. A spring season would make it impossible for bands in most of the country to do much (if any) pre-season preparation. And if you think cold, wet weather is a hindrance to rehearsals in the fall...
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Apr 27, 2020 14:30:05 GMT -6
If push comes to shove, what would be the roadblocks to moving the entire BOA season to spring? Preparation and rehearsal would be a big roadblock. The traditional band camp and other summer rehearsals are key to getting significant portions of most shows in place. The remainder of shows is added and tweaked during the season, based in part on feedback from judges. A spring season would make it impossible for bands in most of the country to do much (if any) pre-season preparation. And if you think cold, wet weather is a hindrance to rehearsals in the fall... I would have to agree with this. It would be impossible for any Northern or Midwestern group to compete in a Spring BOA competition, at least not on a competitive level with groups from more temperate climates. Unless anyone thinks a full show can be put together in 4 weeks. Because no one in Indiana is marching outdoors Jan-March on the regular. Even April is sketchy. We had 4 inches of snow a week ago. Spring BOA? No way.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 27, 2020 14:57:21 GMT -6
Preparation and rehearsal would be a big roadblock. The traditional band camp and other summer rehearsals are key to getting significant portions of most shows in place. The remainder of shows is added and tweaked during the season, based in part on feedback from judges. A spring season would make it impossible for bands in most of the country to do much (if any) pre-season preparation. And if you think cold, wet weather is a hindrance to rehearsals in the fall... I would have to agree with this. It would be impossible for any Northern or Midwestern group to compete in a Spring BOA competition, at least not on a competitive level with groups from more temperate climates. Unless anyone thinks a full show can be put together in 4 weeks. Because no one in Indiana is marching outdoors Jan-March on the regular. Even April is sketchy. We had 4 inches of snow a week ago. Spring BOA? No way. And Mason finally gets their championship!
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Post by lostchoirguy on Apr 27, 2020 14:59:12 GMT -6
Also BOA wouldn't likely happen unless other local contests and state circuits were held, because such a small amount of bands in the big scheme of things do BOA. Most of these bands only compete at one or two BOA contest all year. It would be hard to justify learning a show (with the adverse conditions aforementioned) to only compete with it once.
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Post by stlbanddad on Apr 27, 2020 15:14:36 GMT -6
Preparation and rehearsal would be a big roadblock. The traditional band camp and other summer rehearsals are key to getting significant portions of most shows in place. The remainder of shows is added and tweaked during the season, based in part on feedback from judges. A spring season would make it impossible for bands in most of the country to do much (if any) pre-season preparation. And if you think cold, wet weather is a hindrance to rehearsals in the fall... I would have to agree with this. It would be impossible for any Northern or Midwestern group to compete in a Spring BOA competition, at least not on a competitive level with groups from more temperate climates. Unless anyone thinks a full show can be put together in 4 weeks. Because no one in Indiana is marching outdoors Jan-March on the regular. Even April is sketchy. We had 4 inches of snow a week ago. Spring BOA? No way. I think my original thought would be with the assumption that there would be time to do SOME prep/rehearsal/etc in the fall and/or major changes to BOA rules as far as show length requirements.
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Post by marimba11 on Apr 27, 2020 18:18:03 GMT -6
Also BOA wouldn't likely happen unless other local contests and state circuits were held, because such a small amount of bands in the big scheme of things do BOA. Most of these bands only compete at one or two BOA contest all year. It would be hard to justify learning a show (with the adverse conditions aforementioned) to only compete with it once. Perhaps, yet some of the best don’t compete more than a few times. Usually because of geography
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Post by atxbandnerd on Apr 29, 2020 12:26:29 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same.
Best case scenario? With the fact that many large colleges are announcing that they will be open in the fall without issues, I can see school districts doing the same. Now that the FDA is going to fast track remdesivir to be a treatment for Covid-19, I can see there being some sort of new normal for people.
I want band to happen, especially for my kid and her friends. It is entirely too early to say yay or nay to BOA. I would think you will hear more about decisions being made in the first week of June.
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Post by secret on Apr 30, 2020 22:11:58 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same. Best case scenario? With the fact that many large colleges are announcing that they will be open in the fall without issues, I can see school districts doing the same. Now that the FDA is going to fast track remdesivir to be a treatment for Covid-19, I can see there being some sort of new normal for people. I want band to happen, especially for my kid and her friends. It is entirely too early to say yay or nay to BOA. I would think you will hear more about decisions being made in the first week of June. What large colleges are announcing opening in the fall without issues? Most of them afaik are saying that they aren't sure yet. I know mine is currently considering pushing back the start date of the academic year.
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on May 1, 2020 7:23:12 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same. Best case scenario? With the fact that many large colleges are announcing that they will be open in the fall without issues, I can see school districts doing the same. Now that the FDA is going to fast track remdesivir to be a treatment for Covid-19, I can see there being some sort of new normal for people. I want band to happen, especially for my kid and her friends. It is entirely too early to say yay or nay to BOA. I would think you will hear more about decisions being made in the first week of June. What large colleges are announcing opening in the fall without issues? Most of them afaik are saying that they aren't sure yet. I know mine is currently considering pushing back the start date of the academic year. I saw that most of the SEC schools have announced that they plan to come back without issues. Texas A&M, South Carolina, Alabama are some of the ones I’ve seen. But I’ve also seen the opposite from some schools like IU.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 1, 2020 7:35:05 GMT -6
What large colleges are announcing opening in the fall without issues? Most of them afaik are saying that they aren't sure yet. I know mine is currently considering pushing back the start date of the academic year. The University of North Carolina system is working to establish plans for business as usual in the fall. This includes UNC (the Tar Holes), NC State, East Carolina, WCU (potentially good news from a band perspective), App State, and NC A&T among others.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on May 1, 2020 7:48:45 GMT -6
The school districts are going to follow what the NCAA does when it comes to athletics. If the NCAA moves fall sports to start later in the year, then you can expect the ISD's to do the same. Best case scenario? With the fact that many large colleges are announcing that they will be open in the fall without issues, I can see school districts doing the same. Now that the FDA is going to fast track remdesivir to be a treatment for Covid-19, I can see there being some sort of new normal for people. I want band to happen, especially for my kid and her friends. It is entirely too early to say yay or nay to BOA. I would think you will hear more about decisions being made in the first week of June. What large colleges are announcing opening in the fall without issues? Most of them afaik are saying that they aren't sure yet. I know mine is currently considering pushing back the start date of the academic year. I posted in another thread, but my daughter will be a senior at IU, Bloomington. They received communication from IU yesterday in the form of a statement from the IU President saying that while various contingency plans were still being examined, students should NOT expect a normal Fall campus experience. It remains to be seen what this will look like but IU does not seem to be expecting business as usual for the Fall semester.
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Post by drummerboy on May 1, 2020 10:09:26 GMT -6
What large colleges are announcing opening in the fall without issues? Most of them afaik are saying that they aren't sure yet. I know mine is currently considering pushing back the start date of the academic year. I posted in another thread, but my daughter will be a senior at IU, Bloomington. They received communication from IU yesterday in the form of a statement from the IU President saying that while various contingency plans were still being examined, students should NOT expect a normal Fall campus experience. It remains to be seen what this will look like but IU does not seem to be expecting business as usual for the Fall semester. My son attends IU and I agree that it will NOT be a normal Fall campus experience but the letter also said they were not going to sugar coat it so to speak and they are trying to be realistic. I expect that students will return in person (mostly, maybe not foreign students if some travel restrictions persist) but large classes may be converted to online or hybrid. As many have posted multiple times, we just need to get thru another month or more and let this play out. We will likely have much more information in another month and be in a better situation to assess ongoing plans. We are much better off to stay positive and look for opportunities to stretch our perception of "normal". Be Safe!
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on May 1, 2020 10:52:53 GMT -6
I posted in another thread, but my daughter will be a senior at IU, Bloomington. They received communication from IU yesterday in the form of a statement from the IU President saying that while various contingency plans were still being examined, students should NOT expect a normal Fall campus experience. It remains to be seen what this will look like but IU does not seem to be expecting business as usual for the Fall semester. My son attends IU and I agree that it will NOT be a normal Fall campus experience but the letter also said they were not going to sugar coat it so to speak and they are trying to be realistic. I expect that students will return in person (mostly, maybe not foreign students if some travel restrictions persist) but large classes may be converted to online or hybrid. As many have posted multiple times, we just need to get thru another month or more and let this play out. We will likely have much more information in another month and be in a better situation to assess ongoing plans. We are much better off to stay positive and look for opportunities to stretch our perception of "normal". Be Safe! My daughter has an apartment for next year, so she'll be down there no matter what. She had an internship lined up for the summer with a firm in Boston, and two hours after getting the email from IU she got an email from the Boston firm that her internship was cancelled. That was obviously disappointing (though at this point not unexpected) but one paragraph later the firm offered her a full time position post graduation in 2021! Wow. Talk about taking the pressure off.
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