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Post by paddy on Sept 20, 2021 12:03:19 GMT -6
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Post by 70sguardchick on Sept 20, 2021 13:20:00 GMT -6
Ten bands in Open A at Lafayette means all those bands move on to Semi State...eleven bands competing at Center Grove, so one band will be eliminated. Is the regionals/Semi State structure becoming obsolete? Or do we think the number of competing bands will go back up in future years?
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Post by richardsonm950 on Sept 20, 2021 13:48:43 GMT -6
There are only 10 Bands at both Open Class B Regionals, meaning that Regionals officially means nothing for Class B this year.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 20, 2021 14:24:20 GMT -6
Ten bands in Open A at Lafayette means all those bands move on to Semi State...eleven bands competing at Center Grove, so one band will be eliminated. Is the regionals/Semi State structure becoming obsolete? Or do we think the number of competing bands will go back up in future years? It's been this way since they added Scholastic class. But even though (almost) everyone advances, it's still a valuable judging opportunity for these groups. And besides, if you eliminated Regionals and just advanced everyone to SemiState, you'd probably have a few Scholastic groups suddenly shift back to open class since they'd now get a free pass to SemiState. Then all of a sudden you'd have a 24 band SemiState competition. They shouldn't have added Scholastic Class. They had Festival Class for developing groups. They didn't need another one.
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Post by 70sguardchick on Sept 20, 2021 14:39:54 GMT -6
Ten bands in Open A at Lafayette means all those bands move on to Semi State...eleven bands competing at Center Grove, so one band will be eliminated. Is the regionals/Semi State structure becoming obsolete? Or do we think the number of competing bands will go back up in future years? It's been this way since they added Scholastic class. But even though (almost) everyone advances, it's still a valuable judging opportunity for these groups. And besides, if you eliminated Regionals and just advanced everyone to SemiState, you'd probably have a few Scholastic groups suddenly shift back to open class since they'd now get a free pass to SemiState. Then all of a sudden you'd have a 24 band SemiState competition. They shouldn't have added Scholastic Class. They had Festival Class for developing groups. They didn't need another one. Makes sense, thanks! I'm not familiar with the history of Scholastic class, so this was good perspective. It will be really good performance practice and judging feedback for the kids - I'm looking forward to being in the stands at Lafayette.
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Post by bandaid on Sept 20, 2021 16:55:53 GMT -6
September 11th was the deadline for festival, Scholastic and Open Marching band. Ten bands in Open A at Lafayette means all those bands move on to Semi State...eleven bands competing at Center Grove, so one band will be eliminated. Is the regionals/Semi State structure becoming obsolete? Or do we think the number of competing bands will go back up in future years? It's been this way since they added Scholastic class. But even though (almost) everyone advances, it's still a valuable judging opportunity for these groups. And besides, if you eliminated Regionals and just advanced everyone to SemiState, you'd probably have a few Scholastic groups suddenly shift back to open class since they'd now get a free pass to SemiState. Then all of a sudden you'd have a 24 band SemiState competition. They shouldn't have added Scholastic Class. They had Festival Class for developing groups. They didn't need another one.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 20, 2021 17:10:55 GMT -6
September 11th was the deadline for festival, Scholastic and Open Marching band. It's been this way since they added Scholastic class. But even though (almost) everyone advances, it's still a valuable judging opportunity for these groups. And besides, if you eliminated Regionals and just advanced everyone to SemiState, you'd probably have a few Scholastic groups suddenly shift back to open class since they'd now get a free pass to SemiState. Then all of a sudden you'd have a 24 band SemiState competition. They shouldn't have added Scholastic Class. They had Festival Class for developing groups. They didn't need another one. I didn't mean THIS year they'd suddenly switch. I meant, if ISSMA decided Regionals were redundant and opted to do away with them in 2022 and just move everyone to semistate, you'd probably see some current Scholastic groups go Open next year.
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Post by indianabandgeek on Sept 20, 2021 17:42:42 GMT -6
Sad to see Lake Central is down to scholastic class
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Post by TeamIndiana on Sept 20, 2021 18:07:22 GMT -6
Sad to see Lake Central is down to scholastic class It’s pretty sad to see how quickly Lake Central dropped off. Unfortunately they are so small this year that the move to scholastic is honestly the best decision for them and the future of the program.
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Post by paddy on Sept 20, 2021 18:11:40 GMT -6
Just add a 5th class and go regionals to state. Regional weekend is single site like semi-state now. There is the problem of scheduling around BOA Indy and making sure Lucas is available. Maybe talk to FFA about moving their date.
Or maybe just the new top class is regionals to state. 6A football has less teams and less playoff weekends so the new A+ class could be similar.
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Post by kvgdc on Sept 20, 2021 20:11:54 GMT -6
Old School it up. Regionals --> State. Regionals got HIGH stakes stress. heh.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 20, 2021 22:36:42 GMT -6
I've been in a bit of a rant mode today and this is ripe for it.
"Old School it up. Regionals --> State. Regionals got HIGH stakes stress. heh."
Let me tell you why this is an awful idea. Because the same reason why semi-state was created is still true. You're going to have bands that shouldn't be there when bands from either the north or south are better. Now, Open class has gotten to the point where I do believe that you might as well say screw it and everyone goes to semi's since the classes are just about the same size anymore and then choose from there. But that leads me to my next bit which I believe has directly affected this.
Scholastic class is the worst and needs to be abolished.
Scholastic class has failed this state. I UNDERSTAND the reason why it was created and was more than willing to give it a chance when it first started. But it's failed just about every goal it was set out to do. One) it was meant to be a stepping stone to bring in new bands into the fall circuit from those that didn't either compete or did summer. Two) It could be used as a buffer for bands that knew they were going to have issues such a transition in directors, school issues, etc. Three) It was also meant as a place for bands to learn how to be more competitive. This system has absolutely failed number 1 and directors are abusing the system for 2 and 3 for cheap wins. Sure this may be fine for a year to satisfy number 2 but when schools have continually been top 3 consistently, it is time for you to move up because you've clearly learned what you need to do. And yet they stay, and we see more bands joining scholastic when they do not need too. I am going to be very good and refrain from naming bands but the rest of this rant is going to be me being a bit heated...so sorry in advance. This class is celebrating mediocracy because we are telling groups, oh no, see you can win too now all grown up in your big boy pants. Here's a state championship. Yeah....haha...that's not a real state championship. And bands see they have success in this class and don't try to get better. This has really created a downward shift in the overall competitiveness in Indiana. In all classes. Bands used to drive each other to get better each year. Try new things. Be innovative. And we've lost that for the most part. This state has practically stagnated save for a few keeping us on life support. If you want your band to learn, feel it can't compete, etc, that's what Festival Class is for. Go there. Oh you don't just want a ranking but still want to compete? Then compete with everyone. Improve. Innovate. Be inspired to try something creative.
I could probably say more, but that's where step off my soap box on that subject for now.
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Post by kvgdc on Sept 21, 2021 5:15:18 GMT -6
I've been in a bit of a rant mode today and this is ripe for it. "Old School it up. Regionals --> State. Regionals got HIGH stakes stress. heh." Let me tell you why this is an awful idea. Because the same reason why semi-state was created is still true. You're going to have bands that shouldn't be there when bands from either the north or south are better. Now, Open class has gotten to the point where I do believe that you might as well say screw it and everyone goes to semi's since the classes are just about the same size anymore and then choose from there. But that leads me to my next bit which I believe has directly affected this. Scholastic class is the worst and needs to be abolished. Scholastic class has failed this state. I UNDERSTAND the reason why it was created and was more than willing to give it a chance when it first started. But it's failed just about every goal it was set out to do. One) it was meant to be a stepping stone to bring in new bands into the fall circuit from those that didn't either compete or did summer. Two) It could be used as a buffer for bands that knew they were going to have issues such a transition in directors, school issues, etc. Three) It was also meant as a place for bands to learn how to be more competitive. This system has absolutely failed number 1 and directors are abusing the system for 2 and 3 for cheap wins. Sure this may be fine for a year to satisfy number 2 but when schools have continually been top 3 consistently, it is time for you to move up because you've clearly learned what you need to do. And yet they stay, and we see more bands joining scholastic when they do not need too. I am going to be very good and refrain from naming bands but the rest of this rant is going to be me being a bit heated...so sorry in advance. This class is celebrating mediocracy because we are telling groups, oh no, see you can win too now all grown up in your big boy pants. Here's a state championship. Yeah....haha...that's not a real state championship. And bands see they have success in this class and don't try to get better. This has really created a downward shift in the overall competitiveness in Indiana. In all classes. Bands used to drive each other to get better each year. Try new things. Be innovative. And we've lost that for the most part. This state has practically stagnated save for a few keeping us on life support. If you want your band to learn, feel it can't compete, etc, that's what Festival Class is for. Go there. Oh you don't just want a ranking but still want to compete? Then compete with everyone. Improve. Innovate. Be inspired to try something creative. I could probably say more, but that's where step off my soap box on that subject for now. Oh it wasn't a recommendation as much as it was a reflection. I would agree entirely that the old style regionals from when I marched were a bad format. You'd have all sorts of stress outs where the slightest mistake or penalty would toss you from finals. Going from District where judging was only for the comments on what a single panel thought and you weren't head to head with the competition you'd need to face to make State to...."all in for regionals...plus here's a few bands we're shuffling around for "balance" that you and your judging panels have not seen yet" led to way too much volatility in the scoring and ordinals. The scholastic class thing strikes me as somewhat odd too. I get the whole "we want this to be an educational experience more than a competitive one" vibe that a lot of programs needed to shift toward. But that's now how some are using it it seems and ... to make separate class for that mindset seems somewhat weird to me on some level. There is nothing wrong with finishing 8th in a show rather than "3rd in scholastic class" if you've instilled a mindset of "we're a scholastic program and about the experience and entertainment, not so much the scoring and standings." But I do understand that in the hyper competitive arena of ISSMA of my time (late 80s) getting something that said "8th" would have been a bitter pill to swallow because we were taught that ordinals and scoring was the primary target and purpose for marching for the most part.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 21, 2021 7:37:05 GMT -6
I've been in a bit of a rant mode today and this is ripe for it. "Old School it up. Regionals --> State. Regionals got HIGH stakes stress. heh." Let me tell you why this is an awful idea. Because the same reason why semi-state was created is still true. You're going to have bands that shouldn't be there when bands from either the north or south are better. Now, Open class has gotten to the point where I do believe that you might as well say screw it and everyone goes to semi's since the classes are just about the same size anymore and then choose from there. But that leads me to my next bit which I believe has directly affected this. Scholastic class is the worst and needs to be abolished. Scholastic class has failed this state. I UNDERSTAND the reason why it was created and was more than willing to give it a chance when it first started. But it's failed just about every goal it was set out to do. One) it was meant to be a stepping stone to bring in new bands into the fall circuit from those that didn't either compete or did summer. Two) It could be used as a buffer for bands that knew they were going to have issues such a transition in directors, school issues, etc. Three) It was also meant as a place for bands to learn how to be more competitive. This system has absolutely failed number 1 and directors are abusing the system for 2 and 3 for cheap wins. Sure this may be fine for a year to satisfy number 2 but when schools have continually been top 3 consistently, it is time for you to move up because you've clearly learned what you need to do. And yet they stay, and we see more bands joining scholastic when they do not need too. I am going to be very good and refrain from naming bands but the rest of this rant is going to be me being a bit heated...so sorry in advance. This class is celebrating mediocracy because we are telling groups, oh no, see you can win too now all grown up in your big boy pants. Here's a state championship. Yeah....haha...that's not a real state championship. And bands see they have success in this class and don't try to get better. This has really created a downward shift in the overall competitiveness in Indiana. In all classes. Bands used to drive each other to get better each year. Try new things. Be innovative. And we've lost that for the most part. This state has practically stagnated save for a few keeping us on life support. If you want your band to learn, feel it can't compete, etc, that's what Festival Class is for. Go there. Oh you don't just want a ranking but still want to compete? Then compete with everyone. Improve. Innovate. Be inspired to try something creative. I could probably say more, but that's where step off my soap box on that subject for now. Oh it wasn't a recommendation as much as it was a reflection. I would agree entirely that the old style regionals from when I marched were a bad format. You'd have all sorts of stress outs where the slightest mistake or penalty would toss you from finals. Going from District where judging was only for the comments on what a single panel thought and you weren't head to head with the competition you'd need to face to make State to...."all in for regionals...plus here's a few bands we're shuffling around for "balance" that you and your judging panels have not seen yet" led to way too much volatility in the scoring and ordinals. The scholastic class thing strikes me as somewhat odd too. I get the whole "we want this to be an educational experience more than a competitive one" vibe that a lot of programs needed to shift toward. But that's now how some are using it it seems and ... to make separate class for that mindset seems somewhat weird to me on some level. There is nothing wrong with finishing 8th in a show rather than "3rd in scholastic class" if you've instilled a mindset of "we're a scholastic program and about the experience and entertainment, not so much the scoring and standings." But I do understand that in the hyper competitive arena of ISSMA of my time (late 80s) getting something that said "8th" would have been a bitter pill to swallow because we were taught that ordinals and scoring was the primary target and purpose for marching for the most part. The thing is, it's hard to blame the directors here. In an ideal world we'd like to see them toil away and try to elevate these struggling programs, but in their world they're just trying to keep kids in the band and hold onto their jobs. That's likely a lot easier to do by delivering a "State Finals" appearance in Scholastic Class every year, as opposed to not even getting out of Regionals. The parents are happy, at least from what I see on my Facebook feed. ("State Finals again! Whooo Hooo!") As a fan and alumini-parent of a large program it feels wrong for me to trash this system, since obviously it's easy for me to look down and preach. (Though my own alma mater has been hiding out in scholastic for a few years, so there's that.) But I do agree with Josh that it hampers growth of the activity. It's not encouraging groups to improve. It's merely creating more winners without improvement. I would have no idea how ISSMA views it, and I doubt they could put the toothpaste back in the tube anyway.
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Post by paddy on Sept 21, 2021 9:56:59 GMT -6
"I would have no idea how ISSMA views it"
ISSMA has no idea how ISSMA views it.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 21, 2021 10:22:24 GMT -6
"I would have no idea how ISSMA views it" ISSMA has no idea how ISSMA views it. I literally choked on my coffee 😂🤣
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Post by paddy on Sept 21, 2021 10:54:21 GMT -6
While I am not usually an advocate for "more winners" I still contend that there is some imbalance in school size and band size and their ability to be competitive in the current classification system.
I will now paint with a very broad brush...
In classes C and D you have schools that are very similar demographically. They tend to be middle to low income, rural schools with very little diversity. Class B tends to see some separation between the haves and the have nots, and some increased diversity, but band sizes and the range of school sizes opens up a bit. Class A is a really wide range of school and band sizes, but maybe more importantly a very diverse set of schools demographically.
I said above adding a 5th class could help (though that does create another winner), but I don't know what you do to help Warren Central with 3690 kids a band under 110 and 61% poverty compete with Fishers at 3689 kids a band well over 200 and 17.8% poverty. Even with 5 classes those 2 are together.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 21, 2021 11:08:42 GMT -6
The poverty problem is certainly tricky but it isn't like Warren Central didn't used to be able to hang before either. They did make State with a great show before. But we can't have class divisions based on financial data can we because that to me feels super sketchy and borderline discrimination. I also don't buy the band size argument still. Especially after watching Dayton. Oh yes I agree that larger bands generally have an easier time and at some point there is a breaking point, but Archbishop Alter is in the appropriate class size to win those championships and when compared to all bands, well, they destroyed bands 10 times their size. 🤷♂️
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Post by paddy on Sept 21, 2021 11:45:03 GMT -6
Warren Central made state in 2010, 2008, 2000, 1985, 1983 and 1982. I'm not sure that 2008 and 2010 and comparable to the landscape today and I know the other 4 years aren't comparable at all.
Nowhere did I suggest that we should make classes based on poverty. I simply stated a fact. Fishers will roll out 8 props that likely were professionally made and cost between $3k and $5k each. Money doesn't win championships, but it sure creates obstacles when you don't have it.
Also, I am not sayin that band size is the only factor, but it does matter, particularly when you are competing only within a class as opposed to all classes like BOA. Alter did great this weekend. Beat a normally strong band and bigger band like Greenfield by 5.9 points at an early season regional. Last time they met, ALter lost by 8.
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Post by thewho on Sept 21, 2021 12:01:25 GMT -6
I did reclassification in the case ISSMA added a 5th class. The only one that would've benefited was Plainfield, dropping out of the biggest class.
Scholastic really needs to go. I don't have time right now to sit and type out alternatives, but I'd be in favor of bringing back districts.
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Post by paddy on Sept 21, 2021 12:48:57 GMT -6
I did reclassification in the case ISSMA added a 5th class. The only one that would've benefited was Plainfield, dropping out of the biggest class. Scholastic really needs to go. I don't have time right now to sit and type out alternatives, but I'd be in favor of bringing back districts. I remember that, but you also tried to make the 5th class fit within the current rules for splitting classes. As I said above, make the top class smaller like 6A football and they will just have a shorter "playoff:" schedule.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 21, 2021 13:24:51 GMT -6
If Indiana went to five classes, wouldn't it just make sense to completely eliminate one round of competition? Just have Semi-State and State Finals.
In fact, with several classes having 21 or 22 bands competing and 20 advancing to Semi-State it's probably already time to do just that.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 21, 2021 13:35:32 GMT -6
What of schools like Chesterton, Northrop, and Snider? These are once proud programs who now live in Scholastic class. I'm not sure of the demographics around Chesterton these days. Snider and Northrop have changed over the years, but both still have plenty of nice neighborhoods feeding into them. More than North Side, which has continued to hold its own over the years in Class B.
Why are these schools (and others like them) stuck where they are? Is it program leadership? Money (from school systems)? Apathy from years of poor results? I guess one could look at Lake Central. Eight years ago (2013) they should have been a Grand National Finalist. Today they are in Scholastic Class. How did they fall so fast?
I'm rambling. But there is more to these failing programs that simply a poor demographic, though obviously that can be the case for some.
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Post by paddy on Sept 21, 2021 13:35:45 GMT -6
If Indiana went to five classes, wouldn't it just make sense to completely eliminate one round of competition? Just have Semi-State and State Finals. In fact, with several classes having 21 or 22 bands competing and 20 advancing to Semi-State it's probably already time to do just that. Not necessarily. I think there are some large schools currently in scholastic (Lafayette Jeff, Northrup, Snider, Chesterton for example) that would compete in a class where they didn't have to compete against Avon, Carmel, Fishers, Homestead, etc. There could also be some small B schools (Beech Grove for example), that would hop in to open if the B cutoff moved up. If you could consistently get to 15 bands at semi-state you could eliminate regionals. However most of this conversation is about eliminating scholastic to grow open.
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Post by paddy on Sept 21, 2021 13:44:44 GMT -6
What of schools like Chesterton, Northrop, and Snider? These are once proud programs who now live in Scholastic class. I'm not sure of the demographics around Chesterton these days. Snider and Northrop have changed over the years, but both still have plenty of nice neighborhoods feeding into them. More than North Side, which has continued to hold its own over the years in Class B. Why are these schools (and others like them) stuck where they are? Is it program leadership? Money (from school systems)? Apathy from years of poor results? I guess one could look at Lake Central. Eight years ago (2013) they should have been a Grand National Finalist. Today they are in Scholastic Class. How did they fall so fast? I'm rambling. But there is more to these failing programs that simply a poor demographic, though obviously that can be the case for some. Of course it is more than demographics. Leadership is a huge component. Institutional support is big. Parental support is big (though this can be tied to demographics).
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Post by bflat on Sept 22, 2021 8:07:50 GMT -6
Scholastic class isn't the problem, it's a symptom. The demographic, size, and wealth disparity is the problem. What 5 figure budget band at the bottom of the enrollment counts wants to continually go up against 6-7 figure budget bands from schools 2-3 times the size that can field 100-150 more people? Certain areas of the state will never be able to drum up the kind of corporate sponsorships or attract and pay for the kind of staff that the top bands can. Then as time goes on and it's been longer and longer since a band's had successes it can point to, it's that much harder to attract funding, staff, and support, and it snowballs. There will be some Cinderella/turn around stories here and there, but I see this problem only getting worse in the next 10 years. I don't know what the answer is, but I'd be more afraid that killing off scholastic entirely would lead to completely killing off more marching programs over time. ISSMA's move to limit a band's time in Scholastic was a good and necessary one, but they're just going to have bands cycling back to it every few years if they don't figure out a better way to handle the disparity issues that keep pushing bands to Scholastic in the first place.
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Post by Marching Observer on Sept 22, 2021 11:09:08 GMT -6
Scholastic class isn't the problem, it's a symptom. The demographic, size, and wealth disparity is the problem. What 5 figure budget band at the bottom of the enrollment counts wants to continually go up against 6-7 figure budget bands from schools 2-3 times the size that can field 100-150 more people? Certain areas of the state will never be able to drum up the kind of corporate sponsorships or attract and pay for the kind of staff that the top bands can. Then as time goes on and it's been longer and longer since a band's had successes it can point to, it's that much harder to attract funding, staff, and support, and it snowballs. There will be some Cinderella/turn around stories here and there, but I see this problem only getting worse in the next 10 years. I don't know what the answer is, but I'd be more afraid that killing off scholastic entirely would lead to completely killing off more marching programs over time. ISSMA's move to limit a band's time in Scholastic was a good and necessary one, but they're just going to have bands cycling back to it every few years if they don't figure out a better way to handle the disparity issues that keep pushing bands to Scholastic in the first place. I am going to have to simply disagree with most of this. The one bit I do agree with would be the economic disparities that can lead to issues between the top and bottom bands. But I have also seen economically disadvantaged communities still field successful programs. Groups like Marion Catholic, Lawrence Township, and Leander just to name a few. Like I said though it does make it more challenging and I fully realize that. I'm just also not buying the size difference argument. Bands like Laporte used to be able to be a state finalist when they would have 30 to 40 members less than the next smallest group. And I've already given national examples of small bands being successful as well. Groups like Gibson Southern would have a incredibly small band that would still make finals before they eventually folded the group. That was due to school budget constraints. They just did not want to pay for them anymore. Which again leads to your economic argument but this was a case where the entire band program essentially collapsed due to that. And that's a problem for a lot of schools. The fix is for school systems to invest more in the arts programs. And for the last two decades those budgets have not been keeping up or been slashed. Even then there have been successful groups. Scholastic class is simply not helping these groups. You are still getting a group of bands that are dominating the system and leaving others in the dust because of it. So who exactly is benefiting here? From what I can tell it's just the top bands in the class that would instead normally just make semi-finals perhaps in their respective classes. But I know that even some of these would be able to compete for state final spot. Getting rid of scholastic class is not going to hurt bands that only care about participating in marching events for the educational value of it. They will still have the option of doing festival class. But if they want to compete, then they are going to need to learn how to adapt to their situation. Not simply accept mediocracy because that is benefiting practically no one. You'll have your competitive class in open and your educational one with festival. There are still options for groups.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 22, 2021 11:56:52 GMT -6
Getting rid of scholastic class is not going to hurt bands that only care about participating in marching events for the educational value of it. They will still have the option of doing festival class. But if they want to compete, then they are going to need to learn how to adapt to their situation. Not simply accept mediocracy because that is benefiting practically no one. You'll have your competitive class in open and your educational one with festival. There are still options for groups. Music education should be the primary goal of all school band programs. By all indications, that is generally the case. Does Indiana still have the Track Band activity as well? That option would seem to benefit smaller, less affluent bands that are interested only in the educational aspect.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Sept 22, 2021 12:41:59 GMT -6
Getting rid of scholastic class is not going to hurt bands that only care about participating in marching events for the educational value of it. They will still have the option of doing festival class. But if they want to compete, then they are going to need to learn how to adapt to their situation. Not simply accept mediocracy because that is benefiting practically no one. You'll have your competitive class in open and your educational one with festival. There are still options for groups. Music education should be the primary goal of all school band programs. By all indications, that is generally the case. Does Indiana still have the Track Band activity as well? That option would seem to benefit smaller, less affluent bands that are interested only in the educational aspect. They do, but it's a summer circuit. I want to say that it ends at the Indiana State Fair, though I could be wrong.
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Post by 70sguardchick on Sept 22, 2021 13:14:11 GMT -6
Music education should be the primary goal of all school band programs. By all indications, that is generally the case. Does Indiana still have the Track Band activity as well? That option would seem to benefit smaller, less affluent bands that are interested only in the educational aspect. They do, but it's a summer circuit. I want to say that it ends at the Indiana State Fair, though I could be wrong. Pretty sure you're right - I think Band Day is the culmination.
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