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Post by supersound on Nov 5, 2021 21:30:34 GMT -6
I think that’s the point of the show though. It’s supposed to be mismatched layers, it’s supposed to be convoluted and all over the place. That’s the aim of the show. It’s how it all comes together in those sweet moments, like She’s Always A Woman that you really see the show for all it is. I really think the Banjo Break is a generational thing, I think it fits great a transition and represents the theme very sweetly. There is no denying the CTJ band probably was the best musically today (maybe only vandy is better or equal). But since 2018 CTJ has been throwing so many pieces of music in their book it is hard for there to be a great build and it is hard to get your effect across if the music is too short. Not saying it can’t work to some degree but when hits and soloists just come out of nowhere it seems off. I do not think it is show specific See I *also* think this is a generational thing. A show doesn’t need to keep with one selection in order to create effect and I think thinking in that way is a puzzling way to look at the design of a program. If they can blend their selections into another then there’s really zero point to stay with one selection, it in fact adds to the layers of the performance by creating something that comes together so effectively. I don’t think hits or soloists come out of nowhere to be honest in CTJ’s show and I’m not sure where you’re coming from here, there’s not really any misplaced hits or soloists aside from the first few lines of the soloist leading into the “Your Song” ballad which I agree is pretty weird and out of place. I don’t think having numerous songs in a music book from all sorts of influences is a bad thing like others may think, if you can blend them together like Leander and CTJ have so many times it adds to the effect rather than staying on a single note one song for the entire show.
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Post by elsie on Nov 5, 2021 21:31:32 GMT -6
I know it is illegal but if there are perhaps any performances floating around please send them my way.
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Post by elsie on Nov 5, 2021 21:35:42 GMT -6
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 5, 2021 21:36:36 GMT -6
Woodlands definitely got better throughout the performance. They have some OUTSTANDING soloists in that group (trombone and tenor sax were incredible) and they perform the cabaret theme very well. It's not my preferred style of show from them, but I can't deny they perform it excellently. As for CTJ, they're definitely one of those bands where you either love their all out design choices or hate them. I just happen to love them It really takes a particularly notable design typically in the way that “the feels” or emotion that is produced through the music that is then elevated by the design to really turn the needle for me on my feelings to the design of a show itself, typically if i am moved though, it’s an overwhelmingly positive experience and through gaining a connection with a show, never really something that detracts from my enjoyment of it. It’s really tough for me to feel that with shows most of the time through a visual design and I gain much more of an impression from a show through the musical program and the performance of it, not to say that the visual design/material can’t move me, it just typically won’t be what is the deal breaker for me in disliking a show as a whole, I feel kind of alone with my perspective, but I’m sure I’m pretty sure I’m not
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 5, 2021 21:40:05 GMT -6
There is no denying the CTJ band probably was the best musically today (maybe only vandy is better or equal). But since 2018 CTJ has been throwing so many pieces of music in their book it is hard for there to be a great build and it is hard to get your effect across if the music is too short. Not saying it can’t work to some degree but when hits and soloists just come out of nowhere it seems off. I do not think it is show specific See I *also* think this is a generational thing. A show doesn’t need to keep with one selection in order to create effect and I think thinking in that way is a puzzling way to look at the design of a program. If they can blend their selections into another then there’s really zero point to stay with one selection, it in fact adds to the layers of the performance by creating something that comes together so effectively. I don’t think hits or soloists come out of nowhere to be honest in CTJ’s show and I’m not sure where you’re coming from here, there’s not really any misplaced hits or soloists aside from the first few lines of the soloist leading into the “Your Song” ballad which I agree is pretty weird and out of place. I don’t think having numerous songs in a music book from all sorts of influences is a bad thing like others may think, if you can blend them together like Leander and CTJ have so many times it adds to the effect rather than staying on a single note one song for the entire show. I think we will have to agree to disagree. But I hear your argument, I think CTJ’s way of doing it can work. However, it doesn’t let the music do the heavy lifting for effect as well as it could IMO. Hebron does a better job as they are more careful about when and where they add different selections. Btw… what generation am I apart of that doesn’t like snippets of music. Not being smart, genuinely curious
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Post by es203 on Nov 5, 2021 21:40:10 GMT -6
The Woodlands has such a fun niche of shows that I wish I could find words to describe. I think ridiculous fun is probably accurate. They make so many weird sounds and run around the field and party, and then hit you in the face with a couple of note stabs. They also don’t ever seem to have many long sustains, which is super noticeable after CTJ and their long sustained music moments. TW just has some fun quirky show designs that no other band would attempt and I appreciate them bringing some of this Broadway fun into marching band. Just some of my thoughts after watching them.
Also their guard... wowie 😮
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Post by Shroom on Nov 5, 2021 21:45:02 GMT -6
Idk I definitely feel like CTJ's design is sometimes to their detriment rather than their benefit. I get the idea that they go for with their design, their shows are always stuffed full of different ideas and that is done intentionally so that each show has a certain feel. That said though, just because something is intentional doesn't automatically mean that it's good. I think CTJ has had shows in the past that have effectively mashed all of the ideas that the designers put in the show (2018) and this results in a really strong product, but that's because the ideas are blended together the ideas complement the show, and not just because the ideas are there to be there. I really like their show this year but there are parts of it which I think could be taken out that would benefit it greatly. The two things that come to mind are, as previously stated by others, the banjo thing and the soloist stuff right before the "Your Song" ballad, as I feel like both really just harm the general flow and pacing of the show. None of this is said to criticize the kids or program but I definitely think that their design is a bit iffy in comparison to other top programs.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 5, 2021 21:46:31 GMT -6
I know mine are going to look wildly different than others, but here's where I ended up after watching all bands today. I'm guessing these are all the bands that landed above an 85.
1) CTJ 2) Vandy (by very little) 3) The Woodlands ------ 4) Cedar Park 5) Rouse 6) Leander 7) James Bowie 8) Keller 9) Johnson 10) Cedar Ridge 11) Round Rock 12) Westlake 13) Timber Creek 14) Jack C Hays 15) Westwood 16) Lake Travis 17) Hendrickson
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 5, 2021 21:59:40 GMT -6
I know mine are going to look wildly different than others, but here's where I ended up after watching all bands today. I'm guessing these are all the bands that landed above an 85. 1) CTJ 2) Vandy (by very little) 3) The Woodlands ------ 4) Cedar Park 5) Rouse 6) Leander 7) James Bowie 8) Keller 9) Johnson 10) Cedar Ridge 11) Round Rock 12) Westlake 13) Timber Creek 14) Jack C Hays 15) Westwood 16) Lake Travis 17) Hendrickson Will scores be “correct” “inflated” or “deflated” this year? We’re definitely gonna find out😂
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Post by Allohak on Nov 5, 2021 22:07:42 GMT -6
I have so many thoughts, and will end up putting together a full review...
But here's my top 12 from Friday from the 50:
1. The Woodlands 2. CT Johnson 3. Cedar Ridge 4. Vandegrift 5. Round Rock 6. Leander 7. Cedar Park 8. Rouse 9. Westwood 10. Keller 11. Johnson 12. Timber Creek
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Post by FaultLineBlues on Nov 5, 2021 22:17:48 GMT -6
I have so many thoughts, and will end up putting together a full review... But here's my top 12 from Friday from the 50: 1. The Woodlands 2. CT Johnson 3. Cedar Ridge 4. Vandegrift 5. Leander 6. Cedar Park 7. Rouse 8. Westwood 9. Keller 10. Johnson 11. Timber Creek 12. Westlake Dang, did Round Rock not make your top 12? I definitely thought they were at that level. (also whoa CR at third? It's crazy to know someone else liked them as much as myself!)
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Post by Allohak on Nov 5, 2021 22:19:27 GMT -6
I have so many thoughts, and will end up putting together a full review... But here's my top 12 from Friday from the 50: 1. The Woodlands 2. CT Johnson 3. Cedar Ridge 4. Vandegrift 5. Leander 6. Cedar Park 7. Rouse 8. Westwood 9. Keller 10. Johnson 11. Timber Creek 12. Westlake Dang, did Round Rock not make your top 12? I definitely thought they were at that level. Whomp, I knew I forgot somebody! So many good groups 😎 Edited above 😏
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 5, 2021 22:37:24 GMT -6
I have so many thoughts, and will end up putting together a full review... But here's my top 12 from Friday from the 50: 1. The Woodlands 2. CT Johnson 3. Cedar Ridge 4. Vandegrift 5. Round Rock 6. Leander 7. Cedar Park 8. Rouse 9. Westwood 10. Keller 11. Johnson 12. Timber Creek Keller that low… but I guess somebody has to be there
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2021 6:19:41 GMT -6
What an.. interesting show. CTJ never fails to do something whacky. I love the emphasis they put on preshows. Can someone explain why they had maybe 5 or so members wearing a fully black version of their uniform? The only thing I could think is “opposites attract” but it wasn’t enough people to convince me it was that idea. I’d be shocked if this isn’t in the top half at nationals. that’s their floor if anything, even though they’ve historically not had the best placements at GN when they’ve went, if they place well in SA finals to start(top 3 let’s say) they’ll be well set for Nationals coming up in a week! If 8th place in their first trip to GN as a school that had only been open two years is "not had the best placements" you are setting the expectations too high.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2021 6:30:33 GMT -6
Was this Brennan's first BOA appearance? Thoroughly enjoyed that show. The school opened in 2010. I do not have a record of them participating beginning in 2011, so unless they attended as a brand new school that year this is indeed their first foray into the BOA world.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2021 6:38:49 GMT -6
Will scores be “correct” “inflated” or “deflated” this year? We’re definitely gonna find out😂 Scores will always be "correct" for the competition they reflect.They may be higher or lower than other shows but the reality is that the judges are working to get the bands in the right order (and to a lesser extent with the "right" gaps). This is what matters, not the numbers on the page.
Former First Lady H.S. 94.50 Former First Lady H.S. 80.05 City Name H.S. 94.10 means the same as City Name H.S. 79.90 Tree-based Geography H.S. 93.20 Tree-based Geography H.S. 79.40
The same bands finished in the same order but some would describe the scores on the left as "inflated" and the ones on the right as "deflated."
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Post by abtwitch on Nov 6, 2021 7:26:29 GMT -6
I just had the privilege of watching Azle at the field level and lemme tell you, those kids can PLAY. I expect them in the top 30 after that.
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Post by cp823 on Nov 6, 2021 7:57:56 GMT -6
Vista Ridge is busting with talent and marching some really hard drill really well. Not my favorite Vento design but it will serve their purposes very well.
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Post by marchingmaniac on Nov 6, 2021 8:00:59 GMT -6
Vista Ridge has improved greatly over the course of the season. They have fantastic sounds and the drill is much cleaner now. Should be a threat to finish in the top half.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 8:10:28 GMT -6
Vista Ridge has improved greatly over the course of the season. They have fantastic sounds and the drill is much cleaner now. Should be a threat to finish in the top half. That was an intense show for 8:45 am before I’ve had my coffee. Haha. Should be even more focused tonight. A few little visual flubs here and there but overall powerful stuff.
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Post by Allohak on Nov 6, 2021 8:27:20 GMT -6
Will scores be “correct” “inflated” or “deflated” this year? We’re definitely gonna find out😂 Scores will always be "correct" for the competition they reflect.They may be higher or lower than other shows but the reality is that the judges are working to get the bands in the right order (and to a lesser extent with the "right" gaps). This is what matters, not the numbers on the page.
Former First Lady H.S. 94.50 Former First Lady H.S. 80.05 City Name H.S. 94.10 means the same as City Name H.S. 79.90 Tree-based Geography H.S. 93.20 Tree-based Geography H.S. 79.40
The same bands finished in the same order but some would describe the scores on the left as "inflated" and the ones on the right as "deflated."
Nice formatting 😎
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 6, 2021 8:31:32 GMT -6
that’s their floor if anything, even though they’ve historically not had the best placements at GN when they’ve went, if they place well in SA finals to start(top 3 let’s say) they’ll be well set for Nationals coming up in a week! If 8th place in their first trip to GN as a school that had only been open two years is "not had the best placements" you are setting the expectations too high. You do know they have gone more times since then right? I don’t say they’ve placed lower than they potentially could’ve on grand nats years to put them down, CTJ is such a fantastic group, and over the years since their first appearance at GN, they’ve accomplished so much, SA wins, UIL state Champion, medaling in many events, scoring the highest in a SR at one point until their neighbors in Reagan broke that record in 2019, my only point in my original message was to point out with a high placement or even a win at San Antonio this weekend would set them up to really cause a scene in Indy, that was it🙃 I very much enjoy seeing Team Texas show up in force🔥🔥
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 6, 2021 8:41:28 GMT -6
You do know they have gone more times since then right? Very aware of CTJ's other trips to GN. 8th, 9th, and 6th hardly qualify as "not the best placements" unless the only place that counts is 1st.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 6, 2021 8:55:07 GMT -6
Shouts to Coppell on a great run! I love this show. And their front ensemble is so good! So musical
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Post by marchingmaniac on Nov 6, 2021 8:57:04 GMT -6
I’ve enjoyed watching Coppell perform all season. They still sound superb and have a visual program that’s just as enthralling this year. Love the technical runs they have throughout the entire show and how they executed them so well. Not the cleanest run from them but I’m thinking it’ll be enough to get them into finals.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 6, 2021 9:36:43 GMT -6
Very aware of CTJ's other trips to GN. 8th, 9th, and 6th hardly qualify as "not the best placements" unless the only place that counts is 1st. Nope, not what I’m saying either, continuing to focus on my wording there when you missed the point of what I’m saying, they have accomplished so much to where they are a group capable of winning or medaling at Grand Nats in their best years. Should be complimentary if anything when you know they are capable of doing more ‘cause they have before. Not looking to minimize their achievements in the slightest, the acknowledgement of them being able to do even more doesn’t do that But anyways! Fantastic performance for Dawson just now, probably their best performance of the season, really bringing it today and so much growth since their first contests in early October👀👀
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 6, 2021 9:36:55 GMT -6
Very aware of CTJ's other trips to GN. 8th, 9th, and 6th hardly qualify as "not the best placements" unless the only place that counts is 1st. Nope, not what I’m saying either, continuing to focus on my wording there when you missed the point of what I’m saying, they have accomplished so much to where they are a group capable of winning or medaling at Grand Nats in their best years. Should be complimentary if anything when you know they are capable of doing more ‘cause they have before. Not looking to minimize their achievements in the slightest, the acknowledgement of them being able to do even more doesn’t do that I think my best example of what you are trying to say is Flower Mound 2014-2017. It’s odd for sure. Has nothing to do with the students and more show design. Making finals at either of these competitions is a feat regardless of placement. Would have been interesting to see 2015 FloMo against Wild Blue Orchid and Black Gold.
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Post by FaultLineBlues on Nov 6, 2021 9:39:18 GMT -6
I thought hearing damage would be my biggest problem sitting row 2 on the 50, but it turns out the fumes from the band's generators will likely kill me far before the hearing damage comes in.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Nov 6, 2021 9:43:34 GMT -6
I thought hearing damage would be my biggest problem sitting row 2 on the 50, but it turns out the fumes from the band's generators will likely kill me far before the hearing damage comes in. I enjoying being close to the front for competitions but never have for a SA regional so I’ll keep that in mind 👀
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 6, 2021 9:45:21 GMT -6
I thought hearing damage would be my biggest problem sitting row 2 on the 50, but it turns out the fumes from the band's generators will likely kill me far before the hearing damage comes in. I enjoying being close to the front for competitions but never have for a SA regional so I’ll keep that in mind 👀 I never was a spectator at SA. I felt like it was fine to preform in? I do know that the old Atlanta dome was AWFUL. Idk about the new one.
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