banddad2021
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Post by banddad2021 on Nov 15, 2021 18:11:52 GMT -6
Hey, y'all - I just wanted to come on here and thank you for all of the great comments about Brownsburg over the last couple of weeks. I don't think there are any of the kids on here, but there are parents, and the word was passed. We are all super proud of their performance, and are hyped for next year. In the meantime, watch for our Winter Percussion and Winter Guard coming on strong! Fishers parent here…Brownsburg was beautiful!! Can’t wait for 2022. Carmel Parent here, kudos to both Brownsburg and Fishers, love what you guys are doing!!!
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Post by ooshkaboosh on Nov 15, 2021 18:44:13 GMT -6
DB is the only school in the city district and is fed by 2 middle schools which also traditionally have strong band programs. Cant remember who said this but I also recall hearing that kids from surrounding counties will pay the tuition to come be apart of the band, which isn’t an uncommon trend for other nationally competitive bands either in my experience (namely Broken Arrow). Being nationally competitive and getting the chance to experience other once-in-a-lifetime type of experiences (Macy’s, Rose Parade.. etc) is a big incentive. Although I’d say competing at Grant Nats is also a once in a lifetime type of deal…. Anyhow so is the fact that relative to other bands of their caliber, they have extremely low costs for being apart of the band as well as trips being scholarshipped for many students.
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Post by godb on Nov 15, 2021 18:58:16 GMT -6
Ok guys nobody pays to go to DB just to be in band DB happens to be one of the best schools in all of Tennessee. My daughter did 4 years in DB band ending in 2018 as Front Ensemble section leader. Band is very special the Kingsport community MORE than Football Kids are very proud to be part of the band and they have three concert bands It should be noted that Kingsport is a small town in Appalachia with limited resources . The program that Lafe Cook put together and the music he puts together should not be underestimated. These kids bust their butts from June to October to get ready for the season then work hard all season. We skipped 2019 due to going to Rose Parade. But hey they came back this year and took 3A and 3 A music and 8th when many had them not in finals
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Post by paddy on Nov 15, 2021 19:15:40 GMT -6
Why do people always say “these kids really work hard” (or some variation of that)? Is there some idea that some of us think they don’t? Of course they work hard. That’s what it takes to do this regardless of results.
Also, I love the idea that a community has very little resources when they send their band halfway across the country to compete with thousands of dollars worth of props that will be used one year, AND when they talk about providing scholarships to pay for the trip to the Rose Bowl. The ability to do that is indicative of having resources.
Maybe I’m just cranky. Insert the Grandpa Simpson yelling at a cloud jpeg.
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Post by ooshkaboosh on Nov 15, 2021 19:26:01 GMT -6
Also, I love the idea that a community has very little resources when they send their band halfway across the country to compete with thousands of dollars worth of props that will be used one year, AND when they talk about providing scholarships to pay for the trip to the Rose Bowl. The ability to do that is indicative of having resources. Maybe I’m just cranky. Insert the Grandpa Simpson yelling at a cloud jpeg. I think the thing is not that Kingsport does not have resources, although the area has one of the lowest average household incomes of any finalist band. Most funding for scholarships is fundraised much like any other band or donated from the community. The key is keeping costs low for students so they have the opportunity, as I’m sure many other bands do as well to help kids who maybe don’t have the resources themselves to make it. Just pointing all of that out as some incentives as to why DB is a AAA school with that size of kids on the field - nationally competitive and low cost… not something you get a whole lot in the area.
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 15, 2021 19:35:05 GMT -6
Also, I love the idea that a community has very little resources when they send their band halfway across the country to compete with thousands of dollars worth of props that will be used one year, AND when they talk about providing scholarships to pay for the trip to the Rose Bowl. The ability to do that is indicative of having resources. Maybe I’m just cranky. Insert the Grandpa Simpson yelling at a cloud jpeg. I think the thing is not that Kingsport does not have resources, although the area has one of the lowest average household incomes of any finalist band. Most funding for scholarships is fundraised much like any other band or donated from the community. The key is keeping costs low for students so they have the opportunity, as I’m sure many other bands do as well to help kids who maybe don’t have the resources themselves to make it. Just pointing all of that out as some incentives as to why DB is a AAA school with that size of kids on the field - nationally competitive and low cost… not something you get a whole lot in the area. To me the arguing over "this band doesn't have any resources" just highlights how poorly the U.S. as a whole funds education and the arts. It's certainly true that DB doesn't have all the access to resources, financial and otherwise that they might want. It's also true that compared to many other schools and bands, even those within their own county, they are immensely blessed with resources and support, financial and otherwise, that other bands could never even imagine.
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Post by flomodad on Nov 15, 2021 19:37:47 GMT -6
Where can I find the detailed scores by judge for each round? I swear a saw them on some social media post in between 200-300 pictures and videos but can't find them again.
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 15, 2021 19:38:36 GMT -6
Where can I find the detailed scores by judge for each round? I swear a saw them on some social media post in between 200-300 pictures and videos but can't find them again. www.hornrank.com/p/results.html
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Post by hostrauser on Nov 15, 2021 20:35:31 GMT -6
Presented without comment: the 2021 BOA Grand National Finalists with each school's "poverty index" (the percentage of the student body that qualifies for the federal free or reduced-price school lunch program)
98.250 – Broken Arrow H.S., OK (14.06%) 97.050 – Carmel H.S., IN (9.96%) 96.650 – Avon H.S., IN (28.83%) 96.200 – The Woodlands H.S., TX (7.81%) 95.400 – Flower Mound H.S., TX (4.08%) 93.275 – Marcus H.S., TX (7.50%) 92.700 – Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (19.10%) 91.950 – Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (40.63%) 91.450 – Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (12.16%) 90.350 – Blue Springs H.S., MO (30.99%) 90.200 – William Mason H.S., OH (8.03%) 89.900 – Vista Ridge H.S., TX (16.30%)
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Post by asdfghjkl on Nov 15, 2021 22:22:06 GMT -6
So you mean to tell me this show DIDNT make semis?
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 15, 2021 23:42:32 GMT -6
Presented without comment: the 2021 BOA Grand National Finalists with each school's "poverty index" (the percentage of the student body that qualifies for the federal free or reduced-price school lunch program) 98.250 – Broken Arrow H.S., OK (14.06%) 97.050 – Carmel H.S., IN (9.96%) 96.650 – Avon H.S., IN (28.83%) 96.200 – The Woodlands H.S., TX (7.81%) 95.400 – Flower Mound H.S., TX (4.08%) 93.275 – Marcus H.S., TX (7.50%) 92.700 – Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (19.10%) 91.950 – Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (40.63%) 91.450 – Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (12.16%) 90.350 – Blue Springs H.S., MO (30.99%) 90.200 – William Mason H.S., OH (8.03%) 89.900 – Vista Ridge H.S., TX (16.30%) What is Wando?
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 15, 2021 23:51:52 GMT -6
So you mean to tell me this show DIDNT make semis? I also definitely think they should’ve have made it. However, when you have low content in your show, there is no place that sticks out more than grand nationals- especially visual
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2021 0:18:17 GMT -6
So you mean to tell me this show DIDNT make semis? I also definitely think they should’ve have made it. However, when you have low content in your show, there is no place that sticks out more than grand nationals- especially visual As noted here, I had Bentonville just outside of Semifinals at 32nd, but I was surprised that the judges also had Bentonville at 32nd, because it seemed like the kind of show that I tend to think of as doing better in BOA. One thing I did appreciate about Bentonville's show is the use of the fourth movement of Beethoven's fifth symphony. I wish there had been more of it! And less of what I referred to in my notes as "disjointed short segments" in a show that "doesn't flow" despite "an overall sound that's quite good." My reasons for ranking the show where I did may not have been the same as the judges' reasons; the point is that one could reasonably settle on that placement.
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Post by asdfghjkl on Nov 16, 2021 9:13:17 GMT -6
So you mean to tell me this show DIDNT make semis? I also definitely think they should’ve have made it. However, when you have low content in your show, there is no place that sticks out more than grand nationals- especially visual If that’s the case, them how did Union make it in 2016 lol
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Post by hostrauser on Nov 16, 2021 9:23:13 GMT -6
Presented without comment: the 2021 BOA Grand National Finalists with each school's "poverty index" (the percentage of the student body that qualifies for the federal free or reduced-price school lunch program) 98.250 – Broken Arrow H.S., OK (14.06%) 97.050 – Carmel H.S., IN (9.96%) 96.650 – Avon H.S., IN (28.83%) 96.200 – The Woodlands H.S., TX (7.81%) 95.400 – Flower Mound H.S., TX (4.08%) 93.275 – Marcus H.S., TX (7.50%) 92.700 – Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (19.10%) 91.950 – Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (40.63%) 91.450 – Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (12.16%) 90.350 – Blue Springs H.S., MO (30.99%) 90.200 – William Mason H.S., OH (8.03%) 89.900 – Vista Ridge H.S., TX (16.30%) What is Wando? Wando H.S., SC (10.49%)
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2021 12:23:05 GMT -6
I also definitely think they should’ve have made it. However, when you have low content in your show, there is no place that sticks out more than grand nationals- especially visual If that’s the case, them how did Union make it in 2016 lol Competition? For every band that you think should have made the top 30 by score but didn't, there must be one that you think shouldn't have made it in but did.
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Post by dbsaxalumni on Nov 17, 2021 0:51:22 GMT -6
Presented without comment: the 2021 BOA Grand National Finalists with each school's "poverty index" (the percentage of the student body that qualifies for the federal free or reduced-price school lunch program) 98.250 – Broken Arrow H.S., OK (14.06%) 97.050 – Carmel H.S., IN (9.96%) 96.650 – Avon H.S., IN (28.83%) 96.200 – The Woodlands H.S., TX (7.81%) 95.400 – Flower Mound H.S., TX (4.08%) 93.275 – Marcus H.S., TX (7.50%) 92.700 – Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (19.10%) 91.950 – Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (40.63%) 91.450 – Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (12.16%) 90.350 – Blue Springs H.S., MO (30.99%) 90.200 – William Mason H.S., OH (8.03%) 89.900 – Vista Ridge H.S., TX (16.30%) As a student who went to DB from 2010-2014, I can confirm that even I myself was mind blown to find stats regarding average household incomes for members of the band compared to other schools that are considered “finalist” or “bubble” bands. Another stat that blew my mind was the percentage of students in the program. DB (at least during the years I was there) had nearly 50% of the student population in the band program between winds, drum line, and guard. I don’t think many schools in the country have that high of a percentage in their band programs, and also don’t have nearly as many students struggling to even afford the crazy cheap band fees that we had.
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mbga
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Post by mbga on Nov 17, 2021 8:20:05 GMT -6
Presented without comment: the 2021 BOA Grand National Finalists with each school's "poverty index" (the percentage of the student body that qualifies for the federal free or reduced-price school lunch program) 98.250 – Broken Arrow H.S., OK (14.06%) 97.050 – Carmel H.S., IN (9.96%) 96.650 – Avon H.S., IN (28.83%) 96.200 – The Woodlands H.S., TX (7.81%) 95.400 – Flower Mound H.S., TX (4.08%) 93.275 – Marcus H.S., TX (7.50%) 92.700 – Claudia Taylor Johnson H.S., TX (19.10%) 91.950 – Dobyns-Bennett H.S., TN (40.63%) 91.450 – Ronald Reagan H.S., TX (12.16%) 90.350 – Blue Springs H.S., MO (30.99%) 90.200 – William Mason H.S., OH (8.03%) 89.900 – Vista Ridge H.S., TX (16.30%) As a student who went to DB from 2010-2014, I can confirm that even I myself was mind blown to find stats regarding average household incomes for members of the band compared to other schools that are considered “finalist” or “bubble” bands. Another stat that blew my mind was the percentage of students in the program. DB (at least during the years I was there) had nearly 50% of the student population in the band program between winds, drum line, and guard. I don’t think many schools in the country have that high of a percentage in their band programs, and also don’t have nearly as many students struggling to even afford the crazy cheap band fees that we had. I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument or lessons.
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Post by stix on Nov 17, 2021 12:01:09 GMT -6
As a student who went to DB from 2010-2014, I can confirm that even I myself was mind blown to find stats regarding average household incomes for members of the band compared to other schools that are considered “finalist” or “bubble” bands. Another stat that blew my mind was the percentage of students in the program. DB (at least during the years I was there) had nearly 50% of the student population in the band program between winds, drum line, and guard. I don’t think many schools in the country have that high of a percentage in their band programs, and also don’t have nearly as many students struggling to even afford the crazy cheap band fees that we had. I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument for lessons. Another interesting statistic would be yearly band fees.
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Post by bandfan1 on Nov 17, 2021 12:29:16 GMT -6
As a student who went to DB from 2010-2014, I can confirm that even I myself was mind blown to find stats regarding average household incomes for members of the band compared to other schools that are considered “finalist” or “bubble” bands. Another stat that blew my mind was the percentage of students in the program. DB (at least during the years I was there) had nearly 50% of the student population in the band program between winds, drum line, and guard. I don’t think many schools in the country have that high of a percentage in their band programs, and also don’t have nearly as many students struggling to even afford the crazy cheap band fees that we had. I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument for lessons. While I hear you and agree that money plays a huge role in this activity and I understand what you are trying to say. I struggle to put DB and BS into the "competitive disadvantaged" category. There were 99 bands at GN this past weekend, I would argue that at least 75-80 other bands besides DB or BS may have a stronger argument for competitive disadvantages.
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Post by bandfan1 on Nov 17, 2021 12:33:32 GMT -6
I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument for lessons. Another interesting statistic would be yearly band fees. Sure. Yearly band fees. How much does the school district fund directly? How much does a Music or Band Boosters organization fund? How much is funded through community sponsorships. There are a ton of ways these bands find resources to fund their program. I would LOVE to see a breakdown of how much each band spends in a season, not necessarily where the funding comes from. Some of the rumored numbers are absolutely mind blowing...
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mbga
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Post by mbga on Nov 17, 2021 13:42:00 GMT -6
I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument for lessons. While I hear you and agree that money plays a huge role in this activity and I understand what you are trying to say. I struggle to put DB and BS into the "competitive disadvantaged" category. There were 99 bands at GN this past weekend, I would argue that at least 75-80 other bands besides DB or BS may have a stronger argument for competitive disadvantages. I thought we were talking about bands that made finals or were bubble bands. From that group, there is a significant difference in family / disposable income for bands like DB and BS compared to most if not all of the other bands in that group. Obviously bands like DB and BS get more dollars / support from their schools and community than most bands at GN.
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Post by banddad85 on Nov 17, 2021 14:03:14 GMT -6
As a student who went to DB from 2010-2014, I can confirm that even I myself was mind blown to find stats regarding average household incomes for members of the band compared to other schools that are considered “finalist” or “bubble” bands. Another stat that blew my mind was the percentage of students in the program. DB (at least during the years I was there) had nearly 50% of the student population in the band program between winds, drum line, and guard. I don’t think many schools in the country have that high of a percentage in their band programs, and also don’t have nearly as many students struggling to even afford the crazy cheap band fees that we had. I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument or lessons. Respectfully, they don't have to go compete against any of the more well-funded bands.
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Post by paddy on Nov 17, 2021 14:20:48 GMT -6
When you start a post with “respectfully” it is rarely a respectful post.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 17, 2021 15:23:44 GMT -6
Blue Springs looks pretty high until you take into account that it’s 15% lower than the Missouri average. Midwest schools are all going to have a higher poverty index just by virtue of the states having less industry and therefore less money. For around here, BS is a fairly affluent area, even if it isn’t in comparison to some areas of the country where there’s simply more cash flow. Having a national activity be truly national means we’re going to see numbers all over the place.
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Post by Shroom on Nov 17, 2021 15:35:50 GMT -6
Honestly the fact that money is how it is right now gives credence to the idea that Kentucky is one of the better states for marching band in the country. While they are never as successful as Texas or Indiana, the small band culture there has allowed the state to dominate 1A and provide a great experience given the monetary and population restrictions put on the state.
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mbga
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Post by mbga on Nov 17, 2021 16:32:50 GMT -6
I agree. Most have no idea how much of a competitive disadvantage bands like DB or BS have compared to bands like Carmel or the big Texas bands due to financial limitations of the parents. Paying for band related fees and expenses is a challenge in itself, but many just don’t have the funds to pay for things like a quality instrument or lessons. Respectfully, they don't have to go compete against any of the more well-funded bands. All I can say to that post is “wow”. You must really enjoy the smell of your flatulence.
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mbga
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Post by mbga on Nov 17, 2021 16:39:37 GMT -6
Blue Springs looks pretty high until you take into account that it’s 15% lower than the Missouri average. Midwest schools are all going to have a higher poverty index just by virtue of the states having less industry and therefore less money. For around here, BS is a fairly affluent area, even if it isn’t in comparison to some areas of the country where there’s simply more cash flow. Having a national activity be truly national means we’re going to see numbers all over the place. I have never heard anyone consider the north side of Blue Springs (GR band) as affluent.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 17, 2021 17:49:29 GMT -6
Blue Springs looks pretty high until you take into account that it’s 15% lower than the Missouri average. Midwest schools are all going to have a higher poverty index just by virtue of the states having less industry and therefore less money. For around here, BS is a fairly affluent area, even if it isn’t in comparison to some areas of the country where there’s simply more cash flow. Having a national activity be truly national means we’re going to see numbers all over the place. I have never heard anyone consider the north side of Blue Springs (GR band) as affluent. It certainly isn’t in the top 10 in the state by any means, but the town of Blue Springs is relatively well-off compared to some other MO towns that have competitive marching bands. Out of bands that consistently compete in BOA, Fort Zumwalt North (O’Fallon), Grain Valley, and Blue Springs are all above the average “poverty index” (44% in Missouri) we’re using here. Particularly so in comparison to a school like Camdenton, where over 50% of students qualify for the federal program. It’s all relative. That’s why I said “for around here”.
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Post by nomorehoney on Nov 17, 2021 18:47:02 GMT -6
I have never heard anyone consider the north side of Blue Springs (GR band) as affluent. It certainly isn’t in the top 10 in the state by any means, but the town of Blue Springs is relatively well-off compared to some other MO towns that have competitive marching bands. Out of bands that consistently compete in BOA, Fort Zumwalt North (O’Fallon), Grain Valley, and Blue Springs are all above the average “poverty index” (44% in Missouri) we’re using here. Particularly so in comparison to a school like Camdenton, where over 50% of students qualify for the federal program. It’s all relative. That’s why I said “for around here”. Unrelated but it makes me chuckle to think about how confusing the whole O'Fallon, MO/O'Fallon, IL thing must be to people outside of MO/STL area. Especially considering the close proximity of the two towns
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