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Post by dgmommie on Nov 14, 2021 7:16:35 GMT -6
To stoke the Hebron vs the world fire a bit more: I think we can almost all agree Hebron would win music performance, but I personally thought their visual performance at BOA SA and UIL champs was more impressive than Broken Arrow's tonight. GE is anyone's guess. And to stoke the fire a bit more, both Hebron & Broken Arrow will be in Pasadena in a month and half where they will both perform their 2021 field shows again. (granted in exhibition) Broken Arrow isn’t going to Pasadena. They turned down the Rose Parade this year.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 14, 2021 7:19:24 GMT -6
Congrats to Broken Arrow for Grand National Title number 4. Their performance was AWESOME! All finalist bands were incredible. I was worried that after Covid 2021 GN would not be as strong as 2019. I was wrong.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2021 7:20:07 GMT -6
A little early for the rose parade announcement When the Rose Parade selection is a finalist but not the championship runner-upn it follows that band's placement. If it's one of those bands, it precedes the music caption award.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2021 7:27:16 GMT -6
Damn. Mason dropped 2 points and 2 places between semis and finals. Always rough going early in finals. A two point drop in finals is not uncommon for bands in the 7-12 range. The judges have a bigger range of scores to work with when there are 12 bands rather than 34.
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 14, 2021 7:36:29 GMT -6
The top 7 bands stayed in order the whole time, that’s wild. Congrats to FloMo for taking the music caption back to Texas.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2021 7:38:33 GMT -6
No idea what competition he was watching. He had William Mason .5 below Flower Mound somehow. THAT makes perfect sense - just not where both bands were in his overall order.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 14, 2021 7:39:08 GMT -6
Murray dropped more than seven points from 83.700 in Prelims to 76.375 in Semis. Further evidence of how badly Panel 2 messed up the prelims scores.
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 14, 2021 7:45:41 GMT -6
Homestead fell pretty far to 21, (23 in prelims) but that VGE in semis is spot on Ha ha. Marie Czapinski to the rescue! Bless her wildcard heart. But those performance scores...yikes. Takes notice Homestead. Let's see you back next season.
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Post by glmain on Nov 14, 2021 8:33:02 GMT -6
Maybe we'll all stop underestimating DB eh? Haha I had them 12th, or 11th, just sneaking in, and kept getting surprised as the announced the first four bands. I feel like I had the exact same arc that time they placed 6th. Those kids do know how to sell a great show.
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Post by ps0010 on Nov 14, 2021 8:53:33 GMT -6
Can we skip the part where Dan Potter prattles for 20 minutes and get to the scores? Is it just me or is the awards segment getting worse and worse. Geez- move it along! They’re re pretty efficient moving bands through the schedule and once the last band goes, they operate at a snails pace. How many people and how much time does it take to place cones on the field or unload boxes of medals? Do that during the montage. Does Rutgers really have to play 27 songs? It’s ridiculous as to how long it takes to handle the results after each competition. Notice how tight they run the actual competitions to keep things on time but drag out the results portion. Just do it already. I’m getting old…..🙂😉
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Post by ps0010 on Nov 14, 2021 8:59:13 GMT -6
Isn’t the field show contest judged? I'm like 95% sure that Pasadena Bandfest is exhibitions. I know that sometimes some bands will save costs by not even bringing all their props. In 2013 Lassiter did not even March their show. They stood in concert formation on the field and played their show stand still.
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Post by ps0010 on Nov 14, 2021 9:04:05 GMT -6
Maybe it was a poor event experience for you but I don’t know why you’re assuming the students would have the same opinion. Getting to perform in a venue like Lucas Oil is something I’ve heard many say is the highlight of their time in high school band. was waiting for his negative energy to re-emerge 🙄 I wasn’t happy with the amount of time that it took to move things along with the results BUT it felt damn nice to have marching band back this year after the crap show this world has dealt with for the last 18-20 months. Good to see the kids back on the field. I know they were happy to have some type of normalcy back.
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 14, 2021 9:43:06 GMT -6
What a fantastic it’s season it’s been. Safe travels to all the bands and spectators. In regards to the retreat controversy. As a spectator it does feel drawn out. But as a student on the field, it feels amazing to be out there amongst the other finalist. It’s about them, not us. It’s an experience I’ll never forget when I was in high school. I feel for the students that won’t get that experience again. I’m thankful we had a season in the first place, I can’t imagine the damage these programs would of suffered if they hadn’t got this season. Congrats to all the finalist.
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Post by bandfannate on Nov 14, 2021 9:46:10 GMT -6
This was a spectacular finale to a spectacular return for the marching arts and that alone makes me extremely happy and excited for the years to come. I think we shouldn’t take the fact that we’ve all been able to return to this activity as educators, adjudicators, performers, and audience members for granted.
Broken Arrow and Hebron had the best shows of the season to me. Both accomplished the difficult task of taking the audience on an uninterrupted and enthralling journey from start to finish. In Broken Arrow’s case it was like I was being entranced and invited to join them on a dream like journey. With Hebron it was like being grabbed and thrown into a crazy rollercoaster ride of non stop action. Both equally as effective at transporting me to another world for the duration of the show. Masterful design and performance on display.
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Post by kentuckyband on Nov 14, 2021 10:29:28 GMT -6
Since I’m new to Boa grand nationals, I don’t really know a lot. But how come miamisburg, who scored 4th in class, didn’t make semis but Morton, who scored 6th, did make semis?
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Post by dbalash on Nov 14, 2021 10:45:31 GMT -6
Since I’m new to Boa grand nationals, I don’t really know a lot. But how come miamisburg, who scored 4th in class, didn’t make semis but Morton, who scored 6th, did make semis? They were on different panels. Morton advanced as the 2nd highest AA band from panel 1.
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 14, 2021 10:46:19 GMT -6
Since I’m new to Boa grand nationals, I don’t really know a lot. But how come miamisburg, who scored 4th in class, didn’t make semis but Morton, who scored 6th, did make semis? For class representation, the two highest scoring bands in each class on each panel advance to semifinals. From Panel 1, Marian Catholic advanced based on score and the next highest scoring AA band Morton advanced on class rep. From Panel 2, both Norwin and Jenison advanced based on score, so there was no need to take additional semifinalists to meet the minimum of 2 from each panel. Miamisburg was just 0.2 points away from earning a spot in semifinals.
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Post by kentuckyband on Nov 14, 2021 10:50:07 GMT -6
Understood, thanks!
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Post by tulsamarchingbandfan on Nov 14, 2021 11:15:25 GMT -6
Hey, guys! Hope everyone is having a safe drive home today. It was snowing in Indy this morning! A beautiful start to the day after the last day Grand Nats. The bands were outstanding this year. I'm so glad i got to be there in person at Semi finals and Finals. I hope you guys continue to share your thoughts and experiences here on the message board today and this week as you reflect on your time at Grand Nats. Peace y'all.
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Post by ashul on Nov 14, 2021 11:56:08 GMT -6
I love my home state of Texas. And I love Hebron. But Broken Arrow had this one after watching both live this weekend and last. Hebron takes music, Broken Arrow takes visual (helped by the box), but Broken Arrow probably also takes GE, buoyed by VGE. I can see them splitting MGE judges, as they were both tops for different reasons. What does helped by the box mean? Sorry, newbie here…
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Post by osumb84 on Nov 14, 2021 12:18:22 GMT -6
Woulda been Hebron's year I think. Too bad. Oh, please stop. There's no way to know. The only thing we know is that Broken Arrow won with Carmel and Avon coming in 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Woulda, shoulda and coulda really have no place here as we should simply celebrate the accomplishments of these fine young student musicians that have invested quite a bit of time and dedication...and have achieved the results they clearly deserved. It's distasteful for folks to go on these forums or on social media and detract from the actual competition and its winners by hinting that they wouldn't have won had another band been in the mix. It was distasteful back in 2019 when some suggested that Vandegrift only won because Reagan wasn't at Grand Nats and its equally distasteful for anyone to suggest that now because Hebron, Vandy or others didn't make the trip this year. Its a coarseness in our society that we can do without. As a TX band parent, I apologize for any other TX band parents that would detract from the placement of Broken Arrow, Carmel, Avon or others this weekend. I congratulate all the bands that succeeded at Grand Nats this year and I especially congratulate Broken Arrow for being crowned Grand Champ. Kudos, Broken Arrow! It was well deserved!
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Post by elsie on Nov 14, 2021 12:27:37 GMT -6
Woulda been Hebron's year I think. Too bad. Oh, please stop. There's no way to know. The only thing we know is that Broken Arrow won with Carmel and Avon coming in 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Woulda, shoulda and coulda really have no place here as we should simply celebrate the accomplishments of these fine young student musicians that have invested quite a bit of time and dedication...and have achieved the results they clearly deserved. It's distasteful for folks to go on these forums or on social media and detract from the actual competition and its winners by hinting that they wouldn't have won had another band been in the mix. It was distasteful back in 2019 when some suggested that Vandegrift only won because Reagan wasn't at Grand Nats and its equally distasteful for anyone to suggest that now because Hebron, Vandy or others didn't make the trip this year. Its a coarseness in our society that we can do without. As a TX band parent, I apologize for any other TX band parents that would detract from the placement of Broken Arrow, Carmel, Avon or others this weekend. I congratulate all the bands that succeeded at Grand Nats this year and I especially congratulate Broken Arrow for being crowned Grand Champ. Kudos, Broken Arrow! It was well deserved! but Ronald Reagan would have won we all know that
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Post by Shroom on Nov 14, 2021 12:29:33 GMT -6
I'm proud of what the three Illinois bands in semis were able to accomplish this season. After not having a season at all last year due to guidelines and starting the first two or so months of this season in psuedo lockdown, it is a nice showing from all three.
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Post by elsie on Nov 14, 2021 12:30:37 GMT -6
I love Wando so much
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Post by trombonium on Nov 14, 2021 12:32:26 GMT -6
Woulda been Hebron's year I think. Too bad. Oh, please stop. There's no way to know. The only thing we know is that Broken Arrow won with Carmel and Avon coming in 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Woulda, shoulda and coulda really have no place here as we should simply celebrate the accomplishments of these fine young student musicians that have invested quite a bit of time and dedication...and have achieved the results they clearly deserved. It's distasteful for folks to go on these forums or on social media and detract from the actual competition and its winners by hinting that they wouldn't have won had another band been in the mix. It was distasteful back in 2019 when some suggested that Vandegrift only won because Reagan wasn't at Grand Nats and its equally distasteful for anyone to suggest that now because Hebron, Vandy or others didn't make the trip this year. Its a coarseness in our society that we can do without. As a TX band parent, I apologize for any other TX band parents that would detract from the placement of Broken Arrow, Carmel, Avon or others this weekend. I congratulate all the bands that succeeded at Grand Nats this year and I especially congratulate Broken Arrow for being crowned Grand Champ. Kudos, Broken Arrow! It was well deserved! This website is called Horn rank, no? It's a place where people rank bands? By comparing them? And I never said Broken Arrow wasn't incredible, or that they didn't deserve their victory.
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Post by doublegeez on Nov 14, 2021 12:41:41 GMT -6
Oh, please stop. There's no way to know. The only thing we know is that Broken Arrow won with Carmel and Avon coming in 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Woulda, shoulda and coulda really have no place here as we should simply celebrate the accomplishments of these fine young student musicians that have invested quite a bit of time and dedication...and have achieved the results they clearly deserved. It's distasteful for folks to go on these forums or on social media and detract from the actual competition and its winners by hinting that they wouldn't have won had another band been in the mix. It was distasteful back in 2019 when some suggested that Vandegrift only won because Reagan wasn't at Grand Nats and its equally distasteful for anyone to suggest that now because Hebron, Vandy or others didn't make the trip this year. Its a coarseness in our society that we can do without. As a TX band parent, I apologize for any other TX band parents that would detract from the placement of Broken Arrow, Carmel, Avon or others this weekend. I congratulate all the bands that succeeded at Grand Nats this year and I especially congratulate Broken Arrow for being crowned Grand Champ. Kudos, Broken Arrow! It was well deserved! This website is called Horn rank, no? It's a place where people rank bands? By comparing them? And I never said Broken Arrow wasn't incredible, or that they didn't deserve their victory. Trombonium has a good point. The point of hornrank is ranking and discussing band, basically the whole premise of this. We all do really appreciate any and all bands that exist to the highest extent, but with that regard we’d want (people on the forums) to find out who’s the top dog at any given moment, hence the BA vs Hebron discussion. Personally I’m a huge sucker for Hebron’s show and I believe they would’ve won with another couple days of continued cleaning before Grand Nats if they had planned on going this year. My take
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Post by osumb84 on Nov 14, 2021 12:42:06 GMT -6
Oh, please stop. There's no way to know. The only thing we know is that Broken Arrow won with Carmel and Avon coming in 2nd and 3rd, respectively. Woulda, shoulda and coulda really have no place here as we should simply celebrate the accomplishments of these fine young student musicians that have invested quite a bit of time and dedication...and have achieved the results they clearly deserved. It's distasteful for folks to go on these forums or on social media and detract from the actual competition and its winners by hinting that they wouldn't have won had another band been in the mix. It was distasteful back in 2019 when some suggested that Vandegrift only won because Reagan wasn't at Grand Nats and its equally distasteful for anyone to suggest that now because Hebron, Vandy or others didn't make the trip this year. Its a coarseness in our society that we can do without. As a TX band parent, I apologize for any other TX band parents that would detract from the placement of Broken Arrow, Carmel, Avon or others this weekend. I congratulate all the bands that succeeded at Grand Nats this year and I especially congratulate Broken Arrow for being crowned Grand Champ. Kudos, Broken Arrow! It was well deserved! but Ronald Reagan would have won we all know that No...we don't. But congrats on your clairvoyance. BTW how'd Regan do this year in UIL and BOA-SA? You just never know until/unless they show up to compete. That said, it would be cool to have BOA Grand Nats alternate between Lucas Oil and AT&T-Dallas. I think that would eliminate some of the Sunday morning quarterbackers and shills that come on here and don't know what they are talking about;-) Right, elsie?
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Post by osumb84 on Nov 14, 2021 12:45:58 GMT -6
This website is called Horn rank, no? It's a place where people rank bands? By comparing them? And I never said Broken Arrow wasn't incredible, or that they didn't deserve their victory. Trombonium has a good point. The point of hornrank is ranking and discussing band, basically the whole premise of this. We all do really appreciate any and all bands that exist to the highest extent, but with that regard we’d want (people on the forums) to find out who’s the top dog at any given moment, hence the BA vs Hebron discussion. Personally I’m a huge sucker for Hebron’s show and I believe they would’ve won with another couple days of continued cleaning before Grand Nats if they had planned on going this year. My take I've said my piece. I stand by it. Again, congrats to Broken Arrow and the others that competed this weekend. BA, you are Grand Champs fair and square. That can't be taken away!
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Post by bandalum on Nov 14, 2021 13:05:00 GMT -6
I just wanted to share something that’s been on my mind with likeminded people who can appreciate what I’m saying here:
My freshman year at Morton was 2005, the first year we ever actually made waves and started our 16-year 2A streak at Illinois State. My senior year was the first time we’d ever advance from finals at any BOA competition. My sister did the next four years, and her first year was the first time they made it to semis. I got in a car at 1:45AM and drove out to see it on 3hr sleep. It was an incredible experience to see how full of joy they were. My brother just finished his 4 year run last night - Cedar Falls was the highest they’ve ever placed at BOA, and getting 3rd at Illinois State, only 1.2 from 1st behind LW and MC was the highest they’ve ever placed. There was always a running joke about how they were “pretty good for a 2A band”, and this year they showed how far they’ve come. While this weekend’s results weren’t what maybe they’d hoped for or expected, it brought so much joy and fire to them to be apart of a competitive conversation alongside some really stellar groups, to have people from across the country acknowledge their work. It made me feel so proud of how far they’ve come over the years. To see my siblings each grow in their own way from the sidelines, to feed off those expectations and that feedback. Scores are absolutely not what remember, but it’s nice to see others recognize you. I was grinning ear to ear and crying watching the live steam of Morton’s 7:15 show (6:15 our time, and on no sleep!), knowing my brother and my former school had the best possible show that day. The best show I’ve ever seen them do in 16 years - I was SO proud. I hope EVERYONE feels as fulfilled from this insane season.
It was a real treat to hear some of the absolute greatest bands in the country play music that is special to me from my own time in band, the big ones being Carmel playing Rachmaninov Variation 18 and Woodlands playing Chicago. This activity, this organization, it changes lives and touches people and turns them into the best versions of themselves in a lot of ways. I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart to everyone who keeps this alive.
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Post by elsie on Nov 14, 2021 13:06:12 GMT -6
but Ronald Reagan would have won we all know that No...we don't. But congrats on your clairvoyance. BTW how'd Regan do this year in UIL and BOA-SA? You just never know until/unless they show up to compete. That said, it would be cool to have BOA Grand Nats alternate between Lucas Oil and AT&T-Dallas. I think that would eliminate some of the Sunday morning quarterbackers and shills that come on here and don't know what they are talking about;-) Right, elsie? Someone’s pressed
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