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Post by Jake W. on Nov 12, 2022 23:45:46 GMT -6
Honestly I'd be down to move Nats to SA at this point if it brought greater consistency between prelims - semis - finals. The competitiveness this year was crazy, but 15 place difference between prelims to finals is just silly and it signals a lack of cohesion and certainty from judges Moving it would have literally zero impact on score consistency. My opinion is that things jumped so much because so many bands were so so close within so many tiers this year, and each with varying strengths, AND a lot of performance variation from the same bands between rounds! It's not pretty but it DOES make sense.
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 12, 2022 23:46:03 GMT -6
No big difference between Lakota East and West, 27th and 28th respectively. Don't get it, lost interest during East performance, staid engaged during West's. What an I missing? Well, it's not really about your engagement, it's about how a show fits into the judging criteria of 7 judges on a panel and they decided in this way. You didn't necessarily miss anything but judges have a job to do and that's put numbers on performances
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Post by oldschoolsaxophone on Nov 12, 2022 23:46:10 GMT -6
Honestly I'd be down to move Nats to SA at this point if it brought greater consistency between prelims - semis - finals. The competitiveness this year was crazy, but 15 place difference between prelims to finals is just silly and it signals a lack of cohesion and certainty from judges Two panel judging is a beast of its own
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Post by mtnxdrew on Nov 12, 2022 23:46:30 GMT -6
Wowza AA, can’t get much closer!
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Post by dallashobbs on Nov 12, 2022 23:46:49 GMT -6
Alright here are my finals placements and caption awards predictions: 1. Carmel 2. William Mason 3. Avon 4. Tarpon Springs 5. Broken Arrow 6. Dobyns-Bennett 7. Castle 8. Prosper 9. Fishers 10. Southlake Carroll 11. Brownsburg 12. Hendrickson Outstanding Music Performance: Carmel Outstanding Visual Performance: Carmel Outstanding General Effect: William Mason Impressively I correctly predicted the ordering of Southlake Carroll> Brownsburg> Hendrickson, but I didn’t put them in the right places 🙈
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Post by statechamp1239 on Nov 12, 2022 23:47:53 GMT -6
Marian Catholic in 38th:'( . Loved their show they made Semifinals in my heart. Great job.
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Post by paddy on Nov 12, 2022 23:48:22 GMT -6
Honestly I'd be down to move Nats to SA at this point if it brought greater consistency between prelims - semis - finals. The competitiveness this year was crazy, but 15 place difference between prelims to finals is just silly and it signals a lack of cohesion and certainty from judges Won’t do anything for scores, but it would put GN in an inferior facility.
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Post by dbalash on Nov 12, 2022 23:48:27 GMT -6
Honestly I'd be down to move Nats to SA at this point if it brought greater consistency between prelims - semis - finals. The competitiveness this year was crazy, but 15 place difference between prelims to finals is just silly and it signals a lack of cohesion and certainty from judges I’d say semis is a sweet spot to attempt to whittle down 35-40 groups down to 12, I’m sure it’d be better for all SR’s to have a prelims/semis/finals format in all honesty, the two panel stuff also just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The best way to avoid would be to simply bite the bullet and do three day format for these contests that at this point, have matched the size and scope of a Grand Nats, with the huge number of entries😦 As I've said prior, the split panel nonsense is one of the worst decisions BOA has made. I know judging 70+ bands is a bear, but I feel it's not working. First is not announcing placements until the Midwest Clinic in 2003, save for the champion. If memory serves me correctly, there was talk about releasing no Finals scores that year at all.
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Post by mrmatthews on Nov 12, 2022 23:50:03 GMT -6
Really? Have you seen Hebron's show? Nothing against Carmel, but no comparison. I have seen Hebron's show. I'm smart enough to know that a moment of celebration for the kids of Carmel is not the time to go "OH WELL WHAT IF X". The 2022 BOA season is now history. We should bring up the kids at Carmel and celebrate their achievement tonight instead of putting them down and acting as if they didn't deserve this. And this isn't Indiana bias. I'm from Ohio!
I'm not putting anyone down! LOL. Opinion! And Sarcasm. Both should have a place in a forum as this. Or maybe not?
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Post by ncscbandfan on Nov 12, 2022 23:50:20 GMT -6
Panel 2 was very interesting to say the least. My absolute biggest shock is Catawba Ridge in 48th. I mean what happened? I did not see it live but I heard great things from people who did. Digging a little deeper their score dropped 5 points from where they were in mid-October, and 2 bands they handily beat in Winston-Salem beat them here. Panther Creek who wasn’t on anyones radar who Catawba beat by 10 points beat in Winston beat Catawba by 4 points in prelims. Catawba on panel 2 and Panther Creek on panel 1. Something seems very wrong unless Catawba just had a terrible performance.
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Post by salvation on Nov 12, 2022 23:51:07 GMT -6
I cannot wait for the top texas bands next year to run through Lucas Oil.
See y’all next year!
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 12, 2022 23:51:45 GMT -6
Deer Creek was 34th overall in prelims. Missed semis because of their panel. Hopefully we can get some of the other 6A OBA finalists here in the coming years! That’s what I was thinking! They almost made semis and were 12th at OBA! Bodes well for the caliber of Oklahoma bands in general this year. Here’s to hoping next year has even more participation! Plus BA winning prelims and Mustang being 13th in prelims. Pretty awesome stuff! Hopefully we can get Southmoore and Yukon down here after their strong showings at St. Louis and Bixby definitely needs to make the trip soon. Jenks, after their impressive showing at the Indy Super Regional needs to come back too. And it's been awhile since Owasso has come down for Nationals so I hope we can see them back soon.
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 12, 2022 23:52:36 GMT -6
Honestly I'd be down to move Nats to SA at this point if it brought greater consistency between prelims - semis - finals. The competitiveness this year was crazy, but 15 place difference between prelims to finals is just silly and it signals a lack of cohesion and certainty from judges Grand Nats should be somewhere different every year. No program should have hometown advantage every year. It's really hard to travel and be prepared when you're out of town. I totally support moving Grand Nats from Indy every year. Let's do it!
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Post by 0000 on Nov 12, 2022 23:53:10 GMT -6
holy mackerel 2-4 in 2A was quite the tossup both prelims and finals. Prelims: 2. Jenison - 87.200 3. Morton - 87.100 4. Kiski - 83.950 Semis: 2. Morton - 85.600 3. Kiski - 85.550 4. Jenison - 85.500. For funsies. The Semis class 2A caption awards (if Tarpon springs didn't exist to gap everyone by 10 points) Music Performance goes to Morton High School, IL with a 17.650, (2nd: Jenison - 17.200 - 3rd: Grain Valley - 16.775 - 4th: Kiski - 16.700) Visual Performance goes to Jenison High School, MI with a 17.200 (2nd: Kiski - 17.050 - 3rd: Morton - 17.000 - 4th: Grain Valley - 16.85) General Effect goes to Kiski Area High School PA with a 51.800 (2nd: Jenison - 51.100 - 3rd: Morton - 50.950 - 4th: Grain Valley - 50.900) Amazing how close this field was. The Tarpon omitted class 2A champion only won music performance, and got 3rd in both GE and Visual performance
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 12, 2022 23:53:14 GMT -6
Grand Nats should be somewhere different every year. No program should have hometown advantage every year. It's really hard to travel and be prepared when you're out of town. I totally support moving Grand Nats from Indy ever year. Let's do it! As cool as that would be, it would be a logistical nightmare
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Post by doublegeez on Nov 12, 2022 23:53:47 GMT -6
I have many emotions, thoughts, some to which should stay in the safe space that is my mind. I will take all this energy to hibernate until next season
I love and appreciate everyone who has supported the Rosemount hype train. Here’s to hoping to a better next year and maybe a professional brass tech? I’ll hope for it. They popped off regardless.
Also many other takes of mine besides that may I add
I will not say much more Love to all see you again in the future
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 12, 2022 23:55:04 GMT -6
I have many emotions, thoughts, some to which should stay in the safe space that is my mind. I will take all this energy to hibernate until next season I love and appreciate everyone who has supported the Rosemount hype train. Here’s to hoping to a better next year and maybe a professional brass tech? I’ll hope for it. They popped off regardless. Also many other takes of mine besides that may I add I will not say much more Love to all see you again in the future I loved their uniforms, best of the whole event!
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Post by dbalash on Nov 12, 2022 23:56:10 GMT -6
Grand Nats should be somewhere different every year. No program should have hometown advantage every year. It's really hard to travel and be prepared when you're out of town. I totally support moving Grand Nats from Indy ever year. Let's do it! It's not going to happen. Indianapolis throws a ton of support to DCI and BOA to hold GN and DCI World Championships (the latter through 2030ish) to even entertain the thought of moving it. Add that with: -Dome -warmups in the stadium -connected convention center -newness of the stadium Not a chance this will happen.
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Post by neop on Nov 12, 2022 23:57:36 GMT -6
I have seen Hebron's show. I'm smart enough to know that a moment of celebration for the kids of Carmel is not the time to go "OH WELL WHAT IF X". The 2022 BOA season is now history. We should bring up the kids at Carmel and celebrate their achievement tonight instead of putting them down and acting as if they didn't deserve this. And this isn't Indiana bias. I'm from Ohio!
I'm not putting anyone down! LOL. Opinion! And Sarcasm. Both should have a place in a forum as this. Or maybe not? We both know opinions and sarcasm are more than welcome here. I am just saying that having a negative attitude about any band, "sarcastic" or not, won't get you very far. This is not the time or place to talk about how much better Hebron is than Carmel, even if you're being sarcastic (which would in itself not be very nice to the kids at Hebron). You apologized earlier for your harmful comments, and then went on to make more harmful comments.
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 12, 2022 23:57:36 GMT -6
Grand Nats should be somewhere different every year. No program should have hometown advantage every year. It's really hard to travel and be prepared when you're out of town. I totally support moving Grand Nats from Indy ever year. Let's do it! As cool as that would be, it would be a logistical nightmare LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Nov 12, 2022 23:57:53 GMT -6
holy mackerel 2-4 in 2A was quite the tossup both prelims and finals. Prelims: 2. Jenison - 87.200 3. Morton - 87.100 4. Kiski - 83.950 Semis: 2. Morton - 85.600 3. Kiski - 85.550 4. Jenison - 85.500. Panel 1 prelims was also pretty crazy 30th overall (2nd AA) - Grain Valley 82.875 31st (3rd AA) - Miamisburg and Campbell County tied 82.5
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Post by weller22 on Nov 12, 2022 23:58:17 GMT -6
Grand Nats should be somewhere different every year. No program should have hometown advantage every year. It's really hard to travel and be prepared when you're out of town. I totally support moving Grand Nats from Indy ever year. Let's do it! I'd be fine having it move elsewhere if we could move Lucas Oil and the convention center to the city holding the event. Indianapolis has the perfect venue and surrounding area to hold this event. I'm not sure there is anywhere else that even comes close. It was fun having DCI Finals week in different cities each year when I was marched. But some of the stadiums and areas around fell short, and that doesn't take into account the number of bands here and needing an indoor venue for this event.
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 12, 2022 23:59:43 GMT -6
As cool as that would be, it would be a logistical nightmare LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. I think it would be cool if they held it in St. Louis. Right in the middle!
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Post by trumpet300 on Nov 12, 2022 23:59:46 GMT -6
As cool as that would be, it would be a logistical nightmare LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. Your name states that you are a novice band dad...as someone who's been around the activity a very long time...moving nationals every year would be tremendously stupid. I understand Carmel is close and so are other groups but at the end of the day, Lucas Oil is the perfect set up logistically and serves its purpose well.
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:00:25 GMT -6
Grand Nats should be somewhere different every year. No program should have hometown advantage every year. It's really hard to travel and be prepared when you're out of town. I totally support moving Grand Nats from Indy ever year. Let's do it! I'd be fine having it move elsewhere if we could move Lucas Oil and the convention center to the city holding the event. Indianapolis has the perfect venue and surrounding area to hold this event. I'm not sure there is anywhere else that even comes close. It was fun having DCI Finals week in different cities each year when I was marched. But some of the stadiums and areas around fell short, and that doesn't take into account the number of bands here and needing an indoor venue for this event. LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas.
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Post by dbbandalum on Nov 13, 2022 0:00:38 GMT -6
Dude DB getting a 93 in prelims is crazy. That’s their highest score ever achieved
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Post by bandirectorman on Nov 13, 2022 0:02:13 GMT -6
I cannot wait for the top texas bands next year to run through Lucas Oil. See y’all next year! Someone has to. This year felt a bit weak to me overall. More of a strong semis year versus strong finals.
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Post by bassoooon on Nov 13, 2022 0:02:43 GMT -6
1. William Mason (V, GE) 2. Carmel (M) 3-6. Avon, BA, DB, Tarpon brought to you by Box5 7. Hendrickson 8. Southlake Carroll 9. Castle 10. Prosper 11. Brownsburg 12. Fishers Well, I certainly...made predictions. Look at those. Mason winning V and GE turned into 5th and 3rd, respectively. Incredibly, I got the 3-6 block 3/4 right (slide Avon out and Mason in). And oh, silly me, I put 9-12 in the opposite order. My hand must have slipped. Here are some other notes: 3-way tie for 10th in finals Vis (Carroll, Hendrickson, Prosper) Avon and BA were both placed first by exactly one finals judge (Carmel took the rest) In semis, every band 1-16, 24, and 25 were placed top 12 by at least one judge Semi 1-5 point span of 1.02 became 2.5 in finals; 5-6 gap was 3.53 in semis and 2.2 in finals, both times the largest single gap of the competition
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Post by josephbandfan on Nov 13, 2022 0:02:48 GMT -6
Or, we could move Grand Nationals to Hawaii 🤔
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Post by neop on Nov 13, 2022 0:03:41 GMT -6
Or, we could move Grand Nationals to Hawaii 🤔 We could finally get our Castle, IN vs Castle, HI showdown!
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