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Post by Shroom on Nov 13, 2022 0:04:31 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. I think it would be cool if they held it in St. Louis. Right in the middle! I'm surprised they hold the regional at St. Louis given the pretty serious safety hazards the area around the stadium offers, I can't imagine them hosting even more people there
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Post by principalagent on Nov 13, 2022 0:04:37 GMT -6
The Sickos Committee about Band (“SCAB”) congratulates the judges for resisting the urges to incite and invite chaos in their return to normality in finals. SCAB would also like to note its success in creating the most chaotic results possible in the bottom half. This off season, the committee will fine tune its rubrics and analysis to bring you a hot-take filled wishlist that matches and blends chaos and reality beginning at the St Louis Super Regional in 2023.
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Post by novicebanddad on Nov 13, 2022 0:05:10 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. Your name states that you are a novice band dad...as someone who's been around the activity a very long time...moving nationals every year would be tremendously stupid. I understand Carmel is close and so are other groups but at the end of the day, Lucas Oil is the perfect set up logistically and serves its purpose well. I may be a 3-year novice to band, but not big events. You aren't any more qualified than me, if not less so, when it comes to planning and logistics. There is absolutely no reason to continue the same venue for eternity. It needs to change, and soon. Other parts of the country need to have exposure and avdvantage. I will work to change it.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 13, 2022 0:05:34 GMT -6
“Wow look at those jumps in placement! So cool!” What you guys are looking at is offensively inconsistent judging
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Post by paddy on Nov 13, 2022 0:05:36 GMT -6
I'd be fine having it move elsewhere if we could move Lucas Oil and the convention center to the city holding the event. Indianapolis has the perfect venue and surrounding area to hold this event. I'm not sure there is anywhere else that even comes close. It was fun having DCI Finals week in different cities each year when I was marched. But some of the stadiums and areas around fell short, and that doesn't take into account the number of bands here and needing an indoor venue for this event. LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas. Then list them. List the facilities that combine what LOS and the convention center have with affordable hotels, easy walking, good transportation (airport and highway) and a local government plus not for profit support systems.
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Post by bandsquirrel32 on Nov 13, 2022 0:05:55 GMT -6
I have many emotions, thoughts, some to which should stay in the safe space that is my mind. I will take all this energy to hibernate until next season I love and appreciate everyone who has supported the Rosemount hype train. Here’s to hoping to a better next year and maybe a professional brass tech? I’ll hope for it. They popped off regardless. Also many other takes of mine besides that may I add I will not say much more Love to all see you again in the future As an upper midwest band fan, having a representative from MN attend grand nationals is incredible. Its super impressive that they were able to continue rehearsing as temperatures plummeted in MN and their peers in the state ended their season a month ago. Hoping that the MN band scene as a whole can become stronger and push Rosemount to a stronger finish whenever they get the chance to come back.
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Post by josephbandfan on Nov 13, 2022 0:06:09 GMT -6
SLC, you did what needed to be done✋😫.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus_Rex on Nov 13, 2022 0:07:21 GMT -6
I'd be fine having it move elsewhere if we could move Lucas Oil and the convention center to the city holding the event. Indianapolis has the perfect venue and surrounding area to hold this event. I'm not sure there is anywhere else that even comes close. It was fun having DCI Finals week in different cities each year when I was marched. But some of the stadiums and areas around fell short, and that doesn't take into account the number of bands here and needing an indoor venue for this event. LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas. I think that we should host grand nationals in Anchorage, Alaska. Sullivan Arena???
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Post by neop on Nov 13, 2022 0:08:26 GMT -6
LOL, sorry, I don't agree with you. There are many other very capable venues across the country. I know because I participate in many other more complex events. BTW, the prep area around Lucas Oil for the bands is poor compared to many other areas. I think that we should host grand nationals in Anchorage, Alaska. Sullivan Arena??? Alaska super regional hosted by Colony, coming soon
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Post by mrmatthews on Nov 13, 2022 0:09:10 GMT -6
I'm not putting anyone down! LOL. Opinion! And Sarcasm. Both should have a place in a forum as this. Or maybe not? We both know opinions and sarcasm are more than welcome here. I am just saying that having a negative attitude about any band, "sarcastic" or not, won't get you very far. This is not the time or place to talk about how much better Hebron is than Carmel, even if you're being sarcastic (which would in itself not be very nice to the kids at Hebron). The fact you took it as 'negative' is what it is. I didn't mean to belittle Carmel, and if opinions and sarcasm is welcome, I don't know when they would be welcome if not now. I didn't talk about how much better Hebron is than Carmel either. I can't believe how my simple silly post has caused such an uproar with some people. Carmel is the GN champions. Nothing I say can take away from that. Holy Cow!
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Post by itsjustband on Nov 13, 2022 0:09:11 GMT -6
“Wow look at those jumps in placement! So cool!” What you guys are looking at is offensively inconsistent judging Real
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Post by thewho on Nov 13, 2022 0:11:05 GMT -6
All, before posting anything, please take a breather and think about whether your granny would be proud of you posting whatever.
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Post by doublegeez on Nov 13, 2022 0:11:29 GMT -6
“Wow look at those jumps in placement! So cool!” What you guys are looking at is offensively inconsistent judging Real Yeah it really pains me to see. I’d like to do my own personal research into these judges and am interested in their backgrounds At Carmel.
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Post by neop on Nov 13, 2022 0:13:54 GMT -6
We both know opinions and sarcasm are more than welcome here. I am just saying that having a negative attitude about any band, "sarcastic" or not, won't get you very far. This is not the time or place to talk about how much better Hebron is than Carmel, even if you're being sarcastic (which would in itself not be very nice to the kids at Hebron). The fact you took it as 'negative' is what it is. I didn't mean to belittle Carmel, and if opinions and sarcasm is welcome, I don't know when they would be welcome if not now. I didn't talk about how much better Hebron is than Carmel either. I can't believe how my simple silly post has caused such an uproar with some people. Carmel is the GN champions. Nothing I say can take away from that. Holy Cow! That would be here Really? Have you seen Hebron's show? Nothing against Carmel, but no comparison. and here. Thanks Hebron for not coming to GN. Love, Carmel That's all I meant. Holy cow indeed
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Post by Sir Loin on Nov 13, 2022 0:14:39 GMT -6
“Wow look at those jumps in placement! So cool!” What you guys are looking at is offensively inconsistent judging Sir Loin Approved
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Post by redteam1114 on Nov 13, 2022 0:16:08 GMT -6
Yeah it really pains me to see. I’d like to do my own personal research into these judges and am interested in their backgrounds At Carmel. I was actually talking with ilikeguard about this earlier, but it seems given the current implementation of the 2 panel system, they should do something similar for Grand Nats as they do for Super Regionals. The finals at Super Regionals with the 2 panel systems are a combination of the 2 panels. So why not have one combination of the panels for semifinals and then another of those panels for finals? I think that in theory, that would provide some more consistency in placements across the weekend. Would it be a total fix? Of course not, but it feels like the most ideal solution given everything.
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Post by neop on Nov 13, 2022 0:16:10 GMT -6
All, before posting anything, please take a breather and think about whether your granny would be proud of you posting whatever. Always the smart move after GN
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 13, 2022 0:17:00 GMT -6
Yeah it really pains me to see. I’d like to do my own personal research into these judges and am interested in their backgrounds At Carmel. Really?
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Post by midwamericanarts on Nov 13, 2022 0:17:18 GMT -6
I guess my opinions coming off 'strong' compared to others here are what they are. I never intend to know more or have more knowledge than anyone else here, so my opinions are based on my uneducated knowledge of this activity. While my competitive spirit may get the best of me, I never intend to demean anyone ever. I sometimes get caught up in the competition of it all and for that I won't apologize. That's just my nature. But given that, I never intentionally mean to cast aspersions to any marching program. Hell, marching has been my passion for over 15 years and I wouldn't still be here otherwise. So, I apologize for any harmful comments I have made. I wish you would say that to all the bands you trash on IN bands for solely being in scholastic class… Deleted
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Post by midwamericanarts on Nov 13, 2022 0:18:30 GMT -6
I wish you would say that to all the bands you trash on IN bands for solely being in scholastic class… Deleted
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Post by thewho on Nov 13, 2022 0:20:09 GMT -6
Lot of disappointed grannies tonight. Go and get some sleep or this thread locks now.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus_Rex on Nov 13, 2022 0:20:37 GMT -6
“Wow look at those jumps in placement! So cool!” What you guys are looking at is offensively inconsistent judging This is way too true. Southlake-Carroll jumped from 22nd to 7th place. How do you justify a 15 jump in placement over 2 days? Spoiler: you can't
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Post by neop on Nov 13, 2022 0:21:03 GMT -6
Lot of disappointed grannies tonight. Go and get some sleep or this thread locks now. Has anyone seen my dentures?
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Post by Shroom on Nov 13, 2022 0:22:25 GMT -6
Alright I have gone through all 7 stages of grief over the past hour and I have grown to accept these results as well I can probably maybe perhaps
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 13, 2022 0:23:01 GMT -6
After thinking it through, I can say, with conviction, that Carmel 100% earned this title and out of all their championship winning shows since 2016 this one was probably my favorite. That being said my overall favorite Carmel show is probably last years. The silent flag feature from their guard still sends chills down my spine whenever I go back and watch it. Congratulations Carmel on Championship #6!
The rumored Carmel vs Hebron showdown next year is going to be fun.
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Post by mrmatthews on Nov 13, 2022 0:25:54 GMT -6
The fact you took it as 'negative' is what it is. I didn't mean to belittle Carmel, and if opinions and sarcasm is welcome, I don't know when they would be welcome if not now. I didn't talk about how much better Hebron is than Carmel either. I can't believe how my simple silly post has caused such an uproar with some people. Carmel is the GN champions. Nothing I say can take away from that. Holy Cow! That would be here Really? Have you seen Hebron's show? Nothing against Carmel, but no comparison. and here. Thanks Hebron for not coming to GN. Love, Carmel That's all I meant. Holy cow indeed OK? Again, just my opinion. I could input "Vandegrift" and "Avon". It would be the same. It's really not anything against any kiddo that is marching and/or part of the show for me. Maybe I could do a better job of separating this year from any of the last 15 though.
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Post by bandsquirrel32 on Nov 13, 2022 0:26:20 GMT -6
“Wow look at those jumps in placement! So cool!” What you guys are looking at is offensively inconsistent judging This is way too true. Southlake-Carroll jumped from 22nd to 7th place. How do you justify a 15 jump in placement over 2 days? Spoiler: you can't I think you can... the goal of these different panels of judges is completely different. Prelims judges want to get the top 30 right, Semi judges want to get the top 12 right, Finals judges are really the only ones whose goal is to detail out the placements to the right order. Its a lot easier to judge the placement order of 12 bands than it is to get that same order with 100 bands.
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 13, 2022 0:28:37 GMT -6
Yeah it really pains me to see. I’d like to do my own personal research into these judges and am interested in their backgrounds At Carmel. Really? Not insinuating anything about Carmel - I felt their placement was appropriate. Southlake Carroll, O’Fallon, and Byrnes are a few that come to mind as just all over the place. It’s way too much to be just based on the run. I know MFA has struggled pulling together judges this season especially. I’m just a bit disappointed in the lack of consistency in scoring. For anyone pointing fingers at Carmel, John Phillips was chief judge, not Richard Saucedo.
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Post by verysaxy on Nov 13, 2022 0:29:19 GMT -6
Here’s my take:
Avon turned it ON in finals and although I had them in first… that doesn’t mean Carmel deserved any less. They were my pick in prelims AND semis, I just thought Avon did what Avon does and reached another level of Avoness in finals. I’m disappointed for those kids, and every Avon marcher since the 3-peat, but I know it will happen one day and those Carmel kids who worked their asses off for this have NO control over your opinion nor the judges. Stop being haters and remember these are literal minors you’re coming for because your band didn’t exceed expectations.
ALSO: huge shoutout to the Southlake kids, who DID exceed everyone’s expectations! The program peaked at the perfect time and I’m ecstatic for them. Same goes for Mason — great job on breaking school record for top placement at GN (2nd in semis)!
One final note — y’all need some Leander 2021 in your lives. ✌️
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 13, 2022 0:30:40 GMT -6
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