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Post by yayband914 on Aug 3, 2023 9:47:18 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. Taylor Swift isn't until 2024 This is even worse news. 🤣 We’re gonna have to deal with this again next year, no?
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Post by dbalash on Aug 3, 2023 9:49:06 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. It's FFA this year. Also, damnit. We're going to have to deal with this crap again next year? Oof. ISSMA State Finals is currently listed as November 2.
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Post by thewho on Aug 3, 2023 9:49:10 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. Taylor Swift isn't until 2024 Ahh, me not reading correctly...
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Post by TrumpetMom on Aug 3, 2023 9:49:40 GMT -6
Taylor Swift isn't until 2024 This is even worse news. 🤣 My understanding is that this year's schedule got moved due to the FFA convention that is held in Indy annually.
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 3, 2023 9:53:21 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. Taylor Swift isn't until 2024 I’m guessing this is a mistake on the Taylor team side. Unless they’re taking a 14 month break between concerts… www.taylorswift.com/tour-us/
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Post by paddy on Aug 3, 2023 9:54:03 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. It has been well known for months that the conflict is the National FFA convention. It is 11-1 to 11-4 2023. The crazy conversation is in 2024 ISSMA had a tentative date of 11-2 for state finals. The National FFA Convention is October 23-26, now Swift is 11-1, 2 and 3, and BOA Grand Nationals has November 14-16 listed on their website so ISSMA state finals is 11-9? 2 weeks between semi-state and state? or do you chance the weather and move semi state to 11-2?
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Post by cybrunette on Aug 3, 2023 9:56:28 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. It has been well known for months that the conflict is the National FFA convention. It is 11-1 to 1-2 2023. The crazy conversation is in 2024 ISSMA had a tentative date of 11-2 for state finals. The National FFA Convention is October 23-26, now Swift is 11-1, 2 and 3, and BOA Grand Nationals has November 14-16 listed on their website so ISSMA state finals is 11-9? 2 weeks between semi-state and state? or do you chance the weather and move semi state to 11-2? Looks like they're gonna have to pull a Texas
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Post by lostinthebands on Aug 3, 2023 10:10:21 GMT -6
Taylor Swift isn't until 2024 I’m guessing this is a mistake on the Taylor team side. Unless they’re taking a 14 month break between concerts… www.taylorswift.com/tour-us/ Its not a mistake - She is doing a European leg, heading around a bit more to Australia, then returning to The US to end the tour. It’s definitely strange that her US leg ends in just a week, and then she’s returning over a year later, but that’s just how it is with big artists that sell out absolutely everything 😅 With that being said, it’ll be interesting to see the full marching band collage of events in Lucas Oil meshed into Taylor’s performances.
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 3, 2023 10:16:06 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame.
Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 3, 2023 10:20:42 GMT -6
I’m guessing this is a mistake on the Taylor team side. Unless they’re taking a 14 month break between concerts… www.taylorswift.com/tour-us/ Its not a mistake - She is doing a European leg, heading around a bit more to Australia, then returning to The US to end the tour. It’s definitely strange that her US leg ends in just a week, and then she’s returning over a year later, but that’s just how it is with big artists that sell out absolutely everything 😅 With that being said, it’ll be interesting to see the full marching band collage of events in Lucas Oil meshed into Taylor’s performances. And this is why I do band and not the other kind of live music…lol
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Post by thewho on Aug 3, 2023 10:36:54 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks This is like saying San Antonio Super doesn't matter because UIL is the following week so why have another competition made up of all Texan bands anyway?
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Post by dbalash on Aug 3, 2023 10:43:08 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks It's a great tune up (used to be even better when it was the week before) for Midwest bands attending Grand Nationals.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 3, 2023 10:43:24 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks Indy Super and ISSMA in close proximity are redundant like SASR and UIL Finals in close proximity are redundant. (IOW, not redundant even if the scheduling could be better). The proximity in time conundrum (both Indy and SA) is exacerbated by the multiple rounds of competition to advance to state finals in both Indiana and Texas. There just aren't any earlier weekends that will work well for those events to happen (even if we wanted them to be held with less complete shows). BOA will always take advantage of the opportunity to host a Super Regional where none of the MFA staff have to travel for the event, so Indianapolis isn't going away.
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Post by dbalash on Aug 3, 2023 10:51:41 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks Indy Super and ISSMA in close proximity are redundant like SASR and UIL Finals in close proximity are redundant. (IOW, not redundant even if the scheduling could be better). The proximity in time conundrum (both Indy and SA) is exacerbated by the multiple rounds of competition to advance to state finals in both Indiana and Texas. There just aren't any earlier weekends that will work well for those events to happen (even if we wanted them to be held with less complete shows). BOA will always take advantage of the opportunity to host a Super Regional where none of the MFA staff have to travel for the event, so Indianapolis isn't going away. Not to mention, I think they're contractually obligated to host the Indy super regional.
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 3, 2023 10:53:50 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks The US is a large country. I think this comment is redundant
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Post by paddy on Aug 3, 2023 10:55:44 GMT -6
Sooner or later the rest of you will learn just ignore the troll
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Post by thewho on Aug 3, 2023 10:57:45 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks It's a great tune up (used to be even better when it was the week before) for Midwest bands attending Grand Nationals. I'd actually argue the move to host earlier in the season has provided a lot more to bands and BOA. Earlier season means a chance to perform in LOS guaranteed. A lot of ISSMA bands that wouldn't have dipped their toes in BOA were brought into play and the relations between BOA and ISSMA has improved tremendously. As I understand it, BOA was a tad acrimonious with ISSMA for a little while but did quite a lot of BTS rehabilitation to improve relations. Still lots of back-and-forth as always, but both ends have been far more receptive of each other. Not to mention, the cross-region of Indy Super has expanded DRASTICALLY. Like I wouldn't believe 10 years ago that Minnesota bands would've traveled far out extremely late in the season just for Indy Super, and yet here we are. I'm always a bit surprised at how high the demand seems to be to perform in LOS once all the factors align. The prestige of Indy Super has risen drastically since the move to mid-season. It does kind of take away a bit of the state finals magic, though. First performances of the season in Hoosier Dome/LOS during state had that special sauce.
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 3, 2023 11:18:47 GMT -6
This is really not a slide of hand against the Midwest but I’ve always felt the Indianapolis Super is redundant considering Indiana state and Nats beings relatively close in time frame. Am I missing something? I’d like to hear from the ISSMA camp insight and thoughts. Thanks This is like saying San Antonio Super doesn't matter because UIL is the following week so why have another competition made up of all Texan bands anyway? I could be wrong but maybe because SASR is open invitation (tuition based) and UIL State is an Invite only? Indy Super is tuition based Nats is tuition based. The consensus is Indy works for Indiana because they get a free run before State or Nats (I don’t know the dates) plus a few other programs are traveling further now. I guess my questions is why wouldn’t they just attend Nats? I agree that maybe Indy worked best when it was held earlier in the season. I still think that the present situation is redundant but I certainly respect different opinions in terms of what is best for programs they love and support. Let’s give the Indiana State competition the prestige it deserves
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 3, 2023 11:49:32 GMT -6
Sooner or later the rest of you will learn just ignore the troll Having a differing viewpoint from what this forum consensus is does not make me a Troll. It may not be the popular position I understand so feel free to disagree but to immediately name call without making your case. That’s seems Elitist iMO.
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 3, 2023 12:11:34 GMT -6
Anyone want to come up with some spicy finals predictions so we can talk about something actually interesting now
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 3, 2023 12:20:51 GMT -6
Anyone want to come up with some spicy finals predictions so we can talk about something actually interesting now Got u 1. Lawrence Township H.S., IN 2. Carmel H.S., IN 3. Avon H.S., IN 4. Lafayette H.S., LA 5. Union H.S., OK 6. William Mason H.S., OH 7. Center Grove H.S., IN 8. Centerville H.S., OH 9. Lincoln Way H.S., IL 10. Ben Davis H.S., IN 11. Bixby H.S., OK 12. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 13. Castle H.S., IN 14. North Hardin H.S., KY - 15. Lockport Township H.S., IL 16. Jasper H.S., IN 17. Fishers H.S., IN 18. Brownsburg H.S., IN 19. Southmoore H.S., OK 20. Western H.S., IN
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Post by paddy on Aug 3, 2023 12:26:18 GMT -6
Sooner or later the rest of you will learn just ignore the troll Having a differing viewpoint from what this forum consensus is does not make me a Troll. It may not be the popular position I understand so feel free to disagree but to immediately name call without making your case. That’s seems Elitist iMO. Differing viewpoints are fine. I have been known to have strong opinions that are in the minority when compared to the consensus. It becomes trolling when it is repetitive posting in a way to bait people. You apparently don't understand the term elitist as well. I am really just an ass.
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Post by paddy on Aug 3, 2023 12:29:36 GMT -6
Anyone want to come up with some spicy finals predictions so we can talk about something actually interesting now Got u 1. Lawrence Township H.S., IN 2. Carmel H.S., IN 3. Avon H.S., IN 4. Lafayette H.S., LA 5. Union H.S., OK 6. William Mason H.S., OH 7. Center Grove H.S., IN 8. Centerville H.S., OH 9. Lincoln Way H.S., IL 10. Ben Davis H.S., IN 11. Bixby H.S., OK 12. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 13. Castle H.S., IN 14. North Hardin H.S., KY - 15. Lockport Township H.S., IL 16. Jasper H.S., IN 17. Fishers H.S., IN 18. Brownsburg H.S., IN Lawrence is too low Center Grove doesn't scare anyone these days. Jasper is a one hit wonder Needs more Choctaw (though I wish they would march more and dance less than last year) In all seriousness, I wonder how many Indiana bands are going to be able to pull off the ISSMA semi-state Indy Super double that weekend...
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 3, 2023 12:44:06 GMT -6
Got u 1. Lawrence Township H.S., IN 2. Carmel H.S., IN 3. Avon H.S., IN 4. Lafayette H.S., LA 5. Union H.S., OK 6. William Mason H.S., OH 7. Center Grove H.S., IN 8. Centerville H.S., OH 9. Lincoln Way H.S., IL 10. Ben Davis H.S., IN 11. Bixby H.S., OK 12. O'Fallon Township H.S., IL 13. Castle H.S., IN 14. North Hardin H.S., KY - 15. Lockport Township H.S., IL 16. Jasper H.S., IN 17. Fishers H.S., IN 18. Brownsburg H.S., IN Lawrence is too low Center Grove doesn't scare anyone these days. Jasper is a one hit wonder Needs more Choctaw (though I wish they would march more and dance less than last year) In all seriousness, I wonder how many Indiana bands are going to be able to pull off the ISSMA semi-state Indy Super double that weekend... Agreed Lawrence is too low. This is CG huge comeback season feel it in my bones. Doing 3 performances in a day got to extremely tiring. I wouldn't be surprised if Williams Mason advance or many of the other bands trying to place top half against Brownsburg, Castle, and Fishers, Avon and Carmel.
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Post by dbalash on Aug 3, 2023 12:44:29 GMT -6
Think we just found out why Indy Super and ISSMA Semi-State conflicts this year. Taylor Swift is playing in Indy 11/1-3, which was when state finals would've been. It has been well known for months that the conflict is the National FFA convention. It is 11-1 to 11-4 2023. The crazy conversation is in 2024 ISSMA had a tentative date of 11-2 for state finals. The National FFA Convention is October 23-26, now Swift is 11-1, 2 and 3, and BOA Grand Nationals has November 14-16 listed on their website so ISSMA state finals is 11-9? 2 weeks between semi-state and state? or do you chance the weather and move semi state to 11-2? ISSMA new calendar up. Semi-State 10/26, State Finals November 9.
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 3, 2023 12:45:33 GMT -6
Having a differing viewpoint from what this forum consensus is does not make me a Troll. It may not be the popular position I understand so feel free to disagree but to immediately name call without making your case. That’s seems Elitist iMO. Differing viewpoints are fine. I have been known to have strong opinions that are in the minority when compared to the consensus. It becomes trolling when it is repetitive posting in a way to bait people. You apparently don't understand the term elitist as well. I am really just an ass. PS. You couldn’t say anything on this forum to make me not like you Paddy. I know we all come from differing and competing camps but truth is we all have more in common than our differing opinions. #bandnerdsforlife
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 3, 2023 12:45:45 GMT -6
In all seriousness, I wonder how many Indiana bands are going to be able to pull off the ISSMA semi-state Indy Super double that weekend... Avon and Carmel should be fine, as it's highly unlikely for them to not be in the top 7 at Indy Super prelims. They'll have plenty of time between ISSMA performance time (even if they randomly draw the last two spots) and the earliest LOS entry time they'd get based on that draw. Everybody else will need to hope for early ISSMA times and/or superb Indy Super prelims performances (which, of course, is the preference). Castle is in the biggest bind with the ISSMA system virtually guaranteeing they will have a later semi-state performance slot so they will really need a top half BOA qualification or a lucky draw. (Elkhart and Northrop will be in a similar situation, albeit less likely to be expecting to make BOA finals.)
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 3, 2023 12:47:11 GMT -6
Lawrence is too low Center Grove doesn't scare anyone these days. Jasper is a one hit wonder Needs more Choctaw (though I wish they would march more and dance less than last year) In all seriousness, I wonder how many Indiana bands are going to be able to pull off the ISSMA semi-state Indy Super double that weekend... Agreed Lawrence is too low. This is CG huge comeback season feel it in my bones. Doing 3 performances in a day got to extremely tiring. I wouldn't be surprised if Williams Mason advance or many of the other bands trying to place top half against Brownsburg, Castle, and Fishers, Avon and Carmel. Most of the Indiana bands in question will have Friday prelims performance times in the Super Regional.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 3, 2023 12:50:04 GMT -6
It has been well known for months that the conflict is the National FFA convention. It is 11-1 to 11-4 2023. The crazy conversation is in 2024 ISSMA had a tentative date of 11-2 for state finals. The National FFA Convention is October 23-26, now Swift is 11-1, 2 and 3, and BOA Grand Nationals has November 14-16 listed on their website so ISSMA state finals is 11-9? 2 weeks between semi-state and state? or do you chance the weather and move semi state to 11-2? ISSMA new calendar up. Semi-State 10/26, State Finals November 9. So the possible dates for Indy Super next year are no later than 10/18-19, based on availability of LOS.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 3, 2023 13:07:22 GMT -6
Doing 3 performances in a day got to extremely tiring. I wouldn't be surprised if Williams Mason advance or many of the other bands trying to place top half against Brownsburg, Castle, and Fishers, Avon and Carmel. Most of the Indiana bands in question will have Friday prelims performance times in the Super Regional. I always forget SR are two days. lul
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