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Post by philodemus on May 2, 2024 8:28:24 GMT -6
I can be a pretty egotistical person... but I still struggle to imagine looking at someone with a relaxed face and confidently saying, "My marching band ideas are worth the annual take home pay of a teacher. Please pay me that."
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Post by principalagent on May 2, 2024 9:21:20 GMT -6
Has it been CONFIRMED that Mason, BA, and Rosemount are dropping Cartwright? So far, he's still on BA's website (and one would think they'd remove him if they want to distance themselves), and I thought Rosemount was sticking with him? Maybe he's just working with Klesch? Also, while this was originally announced over a year ago, Darrin Davis at BA is now "officially" transitioning to BA's Fine Arts Executive Director. basentinel.com/longtime-broken-arrow-band-director-stepping-down-to-focus-on-fine-arts-programs/To my knowledge, no it has not been confirmed. Unless someone here knows otherwise... And there are many instances of Wes working with multiple music arrangers, so Mason working with Klesch doesn't mean anything to me. Bell had a quite a few different arrangers from back in their day. Although for vis design it seems only Leon does drill. To be clear, my comment is more about how Cartwright and Wunderlich are completely “divorced” now. As others noted, Mason and Rosemount are still in the Wes universe. As are DB and Pearland.
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Post by salvation on May 2, 2024 14:40:22 GMT -6
For anyone interested, most notably Michael Klesch has worked with Marcus (in the high school realm) and has produced some uninteresting books, but also some incredible ones. Should be interesting to see how he works with Mason.
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Post by ilikeguard on May 2, 2024 14:57:37 GMT -6
Fwiw Camdenton is DEFINITELY also with Wes from the show name they’ve got this year 🥹
I won’t discuss any salary specifics but it is so cool that with the difference between my pay as a full time teacher and his pay from Mason I could buy myself a very nice lightly used car
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Post by paddy on May 2, 2024 15:01:56 GMT -6
Going to be some new faces at a few Indiana Class B Guard programs this fall. Hearing that at least 3 jobs are open with good programs. Don't have total confirmation so I won't disclose rumors. Based on social media postings Plainfield, Greenwood and Greenfield are all looking for guard directors.
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Post by cinnamonpromenade on May 2, 2024 16:45:38 GMT -6
I believe that 54k includes travel expenses and stipends for ALL that staff he hires... maybe for the props too?? But still... I don't think the richest school in my state can afford even half that budget for their design 😭😭😭 That is most definitely not the case. If you follow the board minutes throughout the year, you'll see separate expenditures for their other designers, including the prop design. DANG how the hell do they have THAT MUCH MONEY...... thanks for clarifying!
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Post by Allohak on May 2, 2024 18:21:08 GMT -6
For anyone interested, most notably Michael Klesch has worked with Marcus (in the high school realm) and has produced some uninteresting books, but also some incredible ones. Should be interesting to see how he works with Mason. mmmm "uninteresting" is a choice of wording. He's used to arranging for one of the few groups in the country who can be said have a symphonic sound in the vein of Mason and one shouldn't discount those, what, 8? Jim Ott awards he's been involved in winning with Crown in the past 15 years
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Post by Allohak on May 2, 2024 18:28:23 GMT -6
That is most definitely not the case. If you follow the board minutes throughout the year, you'll see separate expenditures for their other designers, including the prop design. DANG how the hell do they have THAT MUCH MONEY...... thanks for clarifying! Clarifying further, this I believe is paid entirely by the band boosters, not the district. However, the district will be operating completely debt-free (which if you know anything about how school district finances operate is quite astounding) in the very near future. It helps having a fairly affluent community which puts things like a quality school district and high-level youth activities and such so high on its collective priority list
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Post by philodemus on May 2, 2024 18:42:39 GMT -6
I mean… and the tax base.
Like, lots of communities love education and the arts and want high quality programs for their kids to be involved with…
But if the property taxes ain’t there, they ain’t there.
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Post by Allohak on May 2, 2024 18:43:27 GMT -6
I mean… and the tax base. Like, lots of communities love education and the arts and want high quality programs for their kids to be involved with… But if the property taxes ain’t there, they ain’t there. well, yes and passing school levies
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Post by hewhowaits on May 3, 2024 5:35:19 GMT -6
I mean… and the tax base. Like, lots of communities love education and the arts and want high quality programs for their kids to be involved with… But if the property taxes ain’t there, they ain’t there. I paid property taxes in Mason for 13 years. Not the highest property tax rate location I've paid property taxes in. The higher property tax rate location has a high school marching band that has never been highly competitive. Not the largest tax base (total property value being taxed per high school) I've paid property taxes in. The higher tax base location has high school marching bands that barely exist. Taxes being there =/= high-level support of programs.
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Post by ohioguy2 on May 3, 2024 8:01:07 GMT -6
I mean… and the tax base. Like, lots of communities love education and the arts and want high quality programs for their kids to be involved with… But if the property taxes ain’t there, they ain’t there. well, yes and passing school levies As other have side, it is a lot of this, but not completely. The things that are most likely to correlate to having a successful band program. 1. Be in a large, generally suburban school. 2. Be in an affluent school. 3. Have an administration that supports (or at least tolerates) the program. Now, having all three of these things does not mean you will have a successful program, and there are plenty of schools that succeed without them, but these things most commonly lead to successful programs. In Mason’s case, they might not have as much of a tax base, but they have hundreds of families that can afford an $1,800 band fee every year. That’s not happening pretty much anywhere else in Ohio. That leads to $54,000 on a program coordinator and over $40,000 for a full-time booster-paid percussion person. From the administrative side, the district pays eight full-time band staff, seven of which work full-time with the marching band. I can’t think of another Ohio school that has more than 3 full-time directors that work full-time with the band. Most only have 2-3 full-time directors district wide (including some very successful BOA programs). So now, Mason has very successful teachers that leave “head” jobs elsewhere to be the “seventh” director there. Therefore, their teaching staff is fantastic. All that leads to a really great program.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 3, 2024 8:48:03 GMT -6
So now, Mason has very successful teachers that leave “head” jobs elsewhere to be the “seventh” director there. Therefore, their teaching staff and is fantastic. William Mason - the Texas music education center of Ohio.
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Post by marimba11 on May 3, 2024 11:50:06 GMT -6
Some rather sad news. Bryan Bone, Director of bands at Liberty HS (2023- Present), James F. Byrnes (2013-2023), and Boiling Springs (2006-2013) has just entered Hospice Care. He has been fighting colon cancer for the past few months. Outside of a miracle, I think this is the end for him. Bryan has racked up multiple 2nd place finishes at the SCBDA 5A state Marching Contest (and two first place 2016, 2018), and in 2022 Byrnes placed 14th in semifinals. He is the only director to win a state championship in every class. Bryan is one the state's leading directors, and this will be a huge loss for the entire band community in South Carolina.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 3, 2024 12:04:42 GMT -6
Some rather sad news. Bryan Bone, Director of bands at Liberty HS (2023- Present), James F. Byrnes (2013-2023), and Boiling Springs (2006-2013) has just entered Hospice Care. He has been fighting colon cancer for the past few months. Outside of a miracle, I think this is the end for him. Bryan has racked up multiple 2nd place finishes at the SCBDA 5A state Marching Contest (and two first place 2016, 2018), and in 2022 Byrnes placed 14th in semifinals. He is the only director to win a state championship in every class. Bryan is one the state's leading directors, and this will be a huge loss for the entire band community in South Carolina. Mr. Bone will be missed. I had the pleasure of meeting him at the Jacksonville Regional in 2022. Much admired by his students and all the parent volunteer with the James F. Byrnes band, for good reason.
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Post by macwinlin on May 4, 2024 11:46:44 GMT -6
Broken Arrow is welcoming Jessica Tinsley as CG Director. She’s a BA alum who has spent the last 9 years leading the Sunlake H.S., FL guard, and is on staff at USF World.
This is notable because although BA has had people running the day-to-day aspect of their guard program(think Noren Davison, Sarah Rillo), it’s been more of a shared responsibility with Wes. I’m not sure they’ve had an actual “director” since the early 2000’s, but I could be mistaken! Perhaps winter guard is in their future.
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Post by ilikeguard on May 4, 2024 12:31:51 GMT -6
Perhaps winter guard is in their future. This is my bloody mary summon
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Post by crowncrawler on May 8, 2024 10:52:27 GMT -6
Paula Boothman has been hired as the new assistant band director at Ronald Reagan.
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Post by Allohak on May 9, 2024 5:22:04 GMT -6
Brittany Dacy stepping into the Director of Bands role at Westwood
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Post by statechamp1239 on May 9, 2024 18:34:02 GMT -6
Mountain Ridge, AZ hired a new Director of Bands who was previously the Director of Bands and Art Department at Peoria USD
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on May 10, 2024 13:40:18 GMT -6
Andrew Brown has been named the new director at Blythewood HS, SC. He is a new teacher having just started his teaching career this semester at the middle school level in Laurens County, SC. Recent Western Carolina grad, marched with The Cavaliers and Carolina Crown.
I've worked with him personally and I think he'll do a great job.
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Post by macwinlin on May 13, 2024 16:00:40 GMT -6
In a surprising move, Broken Arrow has announced that Scott Tomlinson will be returning as Associate Director of Bands.
Tomlinson joined Broken Arrow in 1997 and was Director of Bands from 2003 until 2009, when he departed for Bentonville, AR.
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Post by crunchycookie3 on May 13, 2024 16:27:44 GMT -6
In a surprising move, Broken Arrow has announced that Scott Tomlinson will be returning as Associate Director of Bands. Tomlinson joined Broken Arrow in 1997 and was Director of Bands from 2003 until 2009, when he departed for Bentonville, AR. Surprising may be an understatement. It should also be noted that Tomlinson has been out of the profession for 7 years now. With such dramatic changes, I’ll be interested to see how this storied program fares at their return to nats.
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Post by croden on May 13, 2024 16:45:30 GMT -6
In a surprising move, Broken Arrow has announced that Scott Tomlinson will be returning as Associate Director of Bands. Tomlinson joined Broken Arrow in 1997 and was Director of Bands from 2003 until 2009, when he departed for Bentonville, AR. Surprising may be an understatement. It should also be noted that Tomlinson has been out of the profession for 7 years now. With such dramatic changes, I’ll be interested to see how this storied program fares at their return to nats. If they are scrambling, as it sounds like they are, I hope they’re taking the precautions to avoid a Mason ‘17 year.
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Post by ilikeguard on May 13, 2024 18:00:52 GMT -6
Surprising may be an understatement. It should also be noted that Tomlinson has been out of the profession for 7 years now. With such dramatic changes, I’ll be interested to see how this storied program fares at their return to nats. If they are scrambling, as it sounds like they are, I hope they’re taking the precautions to avoid a Mason ‘17 year. Scrambling is not at all the word I would use to describe this move. Maybe we could call it scrambling if they’d hired a kid right out of college, but there’s no world in which a program like Broken Arrow wouldn’t have their choice in hires. Unless I’m misunderstanding the meaning of the word “scrambling” here.
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Post by crunchycookie3 on May 13, 2024 18:38:57 GMT -6
If they are scrambling, as it sounds like they are, I hope they’re taking the precautions to avoid a Mason ‘17 year. Scrambling is not at all the word I would use to describe this move. Maybe we could call it scrambling if they’d hired a kid right out of college, but there’s no world in which a program like Broken Arrow wouldn’t have their choice in hires. Unless I’m misunderstanding the meaning of the word “scrambling” here. You’re right- maybe scrambling isn’t the best choice of word. But it is baffling why a forward-thinking program would have hired someone retired from the activity for awhile now when they could have hired, in your words, a kid right out of college who would have the latest instructional techniques and who also can probably commit to being there in the long run. It’s also quite possible that maybe they’re bringing him on with the hopes of him taking more charge of the concert season than the marching season. All in all, still a very surprising choice in my opinion for a program with their eyes set on the eagle so regularly.
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Post by banerd on May 13, 2024 19:14:42 GMT -6
I’m still skeptical that Davis is completely stepping back this year and giving Pence full reigns as well. I would think it would be hard to let go of what all you accomplished while still on a capacity to assist the future.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 13, 2024 20:00:00 GMT -6
Vista Ridge has hired Taylor Trevino as associate director and marching program director. Taylor had been leading the marching program at Lake Travis and is on the visual staff for Santa Clara Vanguard.
This fills out the band staff for Vista Ridge:
Robert Herrings - Head Director Taylor Trevino, Kate Allen - Associate Directors Brian Perez - Percussion
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Post by ilikeguard on May 13, 2024 21:07:57 GMT -6
Scrambling is not at all the word I would use to describe this move. Maybe we could call it scrambling if they’d hired a kid right out of college, but there’s no world in which a program like Broken Arrow wouldn’t have their choice in hires. Unless I’m misunderstanding the meaning of the word “scrambling” here. You’re right- maybe scrambling isn’t the best choice of word. But it is baffling why a forward-thinking program would have hired someone retired from the activity for awhile now when they could have hired, in your words, a kid right out of college who would have the latest instructional techniques and who also can probably commit to being there in the long run. It’s also quite possible that maybe they’re bringing him on with the hopes of him taking more charge of the concert season than the marching season. All in all, still a very surprising choice in my opinion for a program with their eyes set on the eagle so regularly. I’m not sure you’re grasping the relationship here. Scott Tomlinson isn’t retired from the activity, for starters. Not teaching doesn’t mean not present or not current. He was with BA for the birth of their identity as a nationally recognized program. It isn’t baffling at all to bring him on. This isn’t hiring “someone”. I know we have differences of opinion (it’s what this site is for!) but Broken Arrow is not the kind of program that needs a leg up by bringing in new talent. It isn’t a band program that is clueless and in need of shaping by someone with fresh ideas. In my opinion, welcoming back someone who already has a relationship with the program is the best move here.
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Post by croden on May 13, 2024 21:17:18 GMT -6
You’re right- maybe scrambling isn’t the best choice of word. But it is baffling why a forward-thinking program would have hired someone retired from the activity for awhile now when they could have hired, in your words, a kid right out of college who would have the latest instructional techniques and who also can probably commit to being there in the long run. It’s also quite possible that maybe they’re bringing him on with the hopes of him taking more charge of the concert season than the marching season. All in all, still a very surprising choice in my opinion for a program with their eyes set on the eagle so regularly. I’m not sure you’re grasping the relationship here. Scott Tomlinson isn’t retired from the activity, for starters. Not teaching doesn’t mean not present or not current. He was with BA for the birth of their identity as a nationally recognized program. It isn’t baffling at all to bring him on. This isn’t hiring “someone”. I know we have differences of opinion (it’s what this site is for!) but Broken Arrow is not the kind of program that needs a leg up by bringing in new talent. It isn’t a band program that is clueless and in need of shaping by someone with fresh ideas. In my opinion, welcoming back someone who already has a relationship with the program is the best move here. I guess we will see!
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