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Post by aiden on Aug 4, 2023 18:35:20 GMT -6
Meh, Lexuses are just glorified Toyotas anyways. đ lol
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Post by aiden on Aug 6, 2023 0:08:56 GMT -6
One part of me wonders if Southlake Carroll could win if they continue improving every year
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Post by marimba11 on Aug 8, 2023 11:30:51 GMT -6
I have a 2007 Lexus. Definitely not in that Carmel Class lol
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Post by vidal28rdg on Aug 11, 2023 22:13:25 GMT -6
One part of me wonders if Southlake Carroll could win if they continue improving every year They have the âcommunity involvement/supportâ attributes and advantages to make it happen. With the resources they have, they could potentially be one of the few Texas bands thatâs able to do an âevery other yearâ scheduling for Grand Nats in the near future if they wanted to go on that route. Of course, everything is a process and itâll take time for them to get to that level. Knowing they can already make Grand Nats finals at the level theyâre at now is a benchmark for their development, especially compared to where the marching band was(not speaking for their overall band program) even a half decade ago. Weâll see where they go from here.
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 12, 2023 8:01:05 GMT -6
Every time I think weâve exhausted all of the ways to call someone rich without calling them rich yâall surprise me đ
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Post by vidal28rdg on Aug 12, 2023 20:27:16 GMT -6
Every time I think weâve exhausted all of the ways to call someone rich without calling them rich yâall surprise me đ Trying to be charitable here!! If itâs true itâs trueđ
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Post by das88 on Aug 15, 2023 18:30:46 GMT -6
I will definitely be pulling for Hebron to win this year. After last year's showing, I wouldn't be surprised to see The Woodlands win.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 15, 2023 20:09:45 GMT -6
Two words. Ronald Reagan.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 15, 2023 20:13:11 GMT -6
Two words. Ronald Reagan. I could see that! They just need to get their asses back up to Indy!!!
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Post by aiden on Aug 15, 2023 20:17:17 GMT -6
I still have my money on Hebron taking the eagle this year
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Post by aiden on Aug 15, 2023 20:19:02 GMT -6
Two words. Ronald Reagan. I could see that! They just need to get their asses back up to Indy!!! how often do they go to grand nats?
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 15, 2023 20:23:07 GMT -6
I could see that! They just need to get their asses back up to Indy!!! how often do they go to grand nats? I believe the last time they were there was 2016. They typically had a four year rotation, if Iâm not mistaken. So they were meant to go in 2020, but for obvious reasons, did not. So⌠maybe next year is the year.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Aug 15, 2023 20:25:11 GMT -6
how often do they go to grand nats? I believe the last time they were there was 2016. They typically had a four year rotation, if Iâm not mistaken. So they were meant to go in 2020, but for obvious reasons, did not. So⌠maybe next year is the year. that last time was 2021 btw.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 15, 2023 20:30:16 GMT -6
I believe the last time they were there was 2016. They typically had a four year rotation, if Iâm not mistaken. So they were meant to go in 2020, but for obvious reasons, did not. So⌠maybe next year is the year. that last time was 2021 btw. ._. 2025 then, haha.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 16, 2023 4:41:42 GMT -6
that last time was 2021 btw. ._. 2025 then, haha. Or 2021 was their "2020" rotation and 2024 is still on the table.
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Post by aiden on Aug 16, 2023 19:21:53 GMT -6
Or 2021 was their "2020" rotation and 2024 is still on the table. I guess that's interesting
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Post by lostinthebands on Aug 16, 2023 19:49:40 GMT -6
If there's one thing I will forever have a love/hate relationship with, it's bands having a competition rotation that lasts for a little bit...but eventually becomes unreliable and transitions into a guessing game
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Post by dbbandalum on Aug 17, 2023 0:39:50 GMT -6
Its hard to predict the next GN champion that isn`t from TX or Indiana. A lot of the bands in the lower half of finals, and 13th-18th in semis, seem to hit a plateau at some point and either even out or slowly decline. DB is an example of this. They showed tremendous growth from 2013 to 2017, and after their amazing 6th place in 2017, they have yet to break that barrier and have landed in the 10-6 region every time since then. The top half of finals is a realm that requires too many resources to be sustainable for those larger AAA/smaller AAAA bands that aren`t from Texas. For DB to even medal, it would take either a lot more money or a Greg Bimm equivalent educator joining their ranks. Heck it even took us hiring Wes Cartwright to break the finals barrier. And this isn`t to say that these schools like DB are nothing without the money, its just that marching band has so many layers and different fields at work, that money is absolutely necessary to make every thing work at a high level. And if Buff`s season reviews have taught us anything, its that time is the enemy of every marching band. In 10 years time, who knows if most of these lower half finalists will be at the same caliber that they are now?
The only band that I`ve seen break the Plateau curse is Blue Springs when they medaled in 2018. Even then, its hard to say if they can achieve that level of success consistently as their last finals placement was 10th in 2021. I`m hoping they show that they can break through again this year as they were on BA`s heals again in St. Louis last year.
So basically, if there is any future eagle winner that isn`t from TX or Indiana, its Blue Springs.
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Post by vidal28rdg on Aug 17, 2023 0:51:52 GMT -6
If there's one thing I will forever have a love/hate relationship with, it's bands having a competition rotation that lasts for a little bit...but eventually becomes unreliable and transitions into a guessing game You really canât blame them at least! situations are always evolving and developing either in favorable or unfavorable ways, hard to stick to a scheduled rotation sometimesđĽ˛
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Post by philodemus on Aug 17, 2023 4:06:44 GMT -6
Its hard to predict the next GN champion that isn`t from TX or Indiana. A lot of the bands in the lower half of finals, and 13th-18th in semis, seem to hit a plateau at some point and either even out or slowly decline. DB is an example of this. They showed tremendous growth from 2013 to 2017, and after their amazing 6th place in 2017, they have yet to break that barrier and have landed in the 10-6 region every time since then. The top half of finals is a realm that requires too many resources to be sustainable for those larger AAA/smaller AAAA bands that aren`t from Texas. For DB to even medal, it would take either a lot more money or a Greg Bimm equivalent educator joining their ranks. Heck it even took us hiring Wes Cartwright to break the finals barrier. And this isn`t to say that these schools like DB are nothing without the money, its just that marching band has so many layers and different fields at work, that money is absolutely necessary to make every thing work at a high level. And if Buff`s season reviews have taught us anything, its that time is the enemy of every marching band. In 10 years time, who knows if most of these lower half finalists will be at the same caliber that they are now? The only band that I`ve seen break the Plateau curse is Blue Springs when they medaled in 2018. Even then, its hard to say if they can achieve that level of success consistently as their last finals placement was 10th in 2021. I`m hoping they show that they can break through again this year as they were on BA`s heals again in St. Louis last year. So basically, if there is any future eagle winner that isn`t from TX or Indiana, its Blue Springs. From the outside, DB would appear to be quite well-funded, or at least well-funded enough to have world class show design, costuming, props, etc. So, and I mean this as an honest question not a critique, what would more resources allow DB to do that they aren't able to do currently?
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Post by aiden on Aug 17, 2023 7:13:44 GMT -6
Its hard to predict the next GN champion that isn`t from TX or Indiana. A lot of the bands in the lower half of finals, and 13th-18th in semis, seem to hit a plateau at some point and either even out or slowly decline. DB is an example of this. They showed tremendous growth from 2013 to 2017, and after their amazing 6th place in 2017, they have yet to break that barrier and have landed in the 10-6 region every time since then. The top half of finals is a realm that requires too many resources to be sustainable for those larger AAA/smaller AAAA bands that aren`t from Texas. For DB to even medal, it would take either a lot more money or a Greg Bimm equivalent educator joining their ranks. Heck it even took us hiring Wes Cartwright to break the finals barrier. And this isn`t to say that these schools like DB are nothing without the money, its just that marching band has so many layers and different fields at work, that money is absolutely necessary to make every thing work at a high level. And if Buff`s season reviews have taught us anything, its that time is the enemy of every marching band. In 10 years time, who knows if most of these lower half finalists will be at the same caliber that they are now? The only band that I`ve seen break the Plateau curse is Blue Springs when they medaled in 2018. Even then, its hard to say if they can achieve that level of success consistently as their last finals placement was 10th in 2021. I`m hoping they show that they can break through again this year as they were on BA`s heals again in St. Louis last year. So basically, if there is any future eagle winner that isn`t from TX or Indiana, its Blue Springs. Don't forget William Mason
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Post by dbbandalum on Aug 17, 2023 8:13:53 GMT -6
Its hard to predict the next GN champion that isn`t from TX or Indiana. A lot of the bands in the lower half of finals, and 13th-18th in semis, seem to hit a plateau at some point and either even out or slowly decline. DB is an example of this. They showed tremendous growth from 2013 to 2017, and after their amazing 6th place in 2017, they have yet to break that barrier and have landed in the 10-6 region every time since then. The top half of finals is a realm that requires too many resources to be sustainable for those larger AAA/smaller AAAA bands that aren`t from Texas. For DB to even medal, it would take either a lot more money or a Greg Bimm equivalent educator joining their ranks. Heck it even took us hiring Wes Cartwright to break the finals barrier. And this isn`t to say that these schools like DB are nothing without the money, its just that marching band has so many layers and different fields at work, that money is absolutely necessary to make every thing work at a high level. And if Buff`s season reviews have taught us anything, its that time is the enemy of every marching band. In 10 years time, who knows if most of these lower half finalists will be at the same caliber that they are now? The only band that I`ve seen break the Plateau curse is Blue Springs when they medaled in 2018. Even then, its hard to say if they can achieve that level of success consistently as their last finals placement was 10th in 2021. I`m hoping they show that they can break through again this year as they were on BA`s heals again in St. Louis last year. So basically, if there is any future eagle winner that isn`t from TX or Indiana, its Blue Springs. From the outside, DB would appear to be quite well-funded, or at least well-funded enough to have world class show design, costuming, props, etc. So, and I mean this as an honest question not a critique, what would more resources allow DB to do that they aren't able to do currently? Donât get me wrong. DB is definitely well funded, they just donât have quite the amount of staff, student body, and honestly money that these medaling schools have. I donât know if itâs changed since I was there, but we were BARELY able to afford Wes Cartwright, and going to GN was always a toss up because we never knew if we had the money to go. I donât mean to make us sound underfunded when I say that, but going to grand nats every year with a Cartwright show and paying high caliber staff is A LOT of money that only very few schools can sustain. When I was there, DB was just barely managing to sustain it.
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Post by philodemus on Aug 17, 2023 8:29:10 GMT -6
From the outside, DB would appear to be quite well-funded, or at least well-funded enough to have world class show design, costuming, props, etc. So, and I mean this as an honest question not a critique, what would more resources allow DB to do that they aren't able to do currently? Donât get me wrong. DB is definitely well funded, they just donât have quite the amount of staff, student body, and honestly money that these medaling schools have. I donât know if itâs changed since I was there, but we were BARELY able to afford Wes Cartwright, and going to GN was always a toss up because we never knew if we had the money to go. I donât mean to make us sound underfunded when I say that, but going to grand nats every year with a Cartwright show and paying high caliber staff is A LOT of money that only very few schools can sustain. When I was there, DB was just barely managing to sustain it. Gotcha... it's kind of a close-run thing for DB to get to the level that they want to be at, whereas for some of groups it's not so much of a struggle. Makes sense. But now this has got me wondering something else: what is Wes Cartwright money? Not necessarily directed at dbbandalum, but just to anyone who might know... don't be vague, put a number on it: what does this dude cost?
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Post by ohbandfan on Aug 17, 2023 12:13:38 GMT -6
what is Wes Cartwright money? Not necessarily directed at dbbandalum, but just to anyone who might know... don't be vague, put a number on it: what does this dude cost? Iâve seen Will Pitts and Daniel Montoya selling shows for 2-5K. So I can imagine Wes could probably anywhere from 6-10k with the quality and caliber he designs at. Maybe more đ¤ˇđźââď¸
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 17, 2023 12:58:52 GMT -6
Donât get me wrong. DB is definitely well funded, they just donât have quite the amount of staff, student body, and honestly money that these medaling schools have. I donât know if itâs changed since I was there, but we were BARELY able to afford Wes Cartwright, and going to GN was always a toss up because we never knew if we had the money to go. I donât mean to make us sound underfunded when I say that, but going to grand nats every year with a Cartwright show and paying high caliber staff is A LOT of money that only very few schools can sustain. When I was there, DB was just barely managing to sustain it. Gotcha... it's kind of a close-run thing for DB to get to the level that they want to be at, whereas for some of groups it's not so much of a struggle. Makes sense. But now this has got me wondering something else: what is Wes Cartwright money? Not necessarily directed at dbbandalum, but just to anyone who might know... don't be vague, put a number on it: what does this dude cost? To give you an idea of what Cartwright charges, last I heard, he charges Broken Arrow over $50K to design their show (he is also frequently at rehearsals so Iâm sure that factors in). Cartwright has a $10K minimum. Easy. If not more. Itâs quality, but I have also heard from people that used to design with him that itâs âmy way or the highwayâ and programs get what they get. They donât even have a say in their concept, Wes just picks one and designs it.
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Post by lostinthebands on Aug 17, 2023 13:57:59 GMT -6
Gotcha... it's kind of a close-run thing for DB to get to the level that they want to be at, whereas for some of groups it's not so much of a struggle. Makes sense. But now this has got me wondering something else: what is Wes Cartwright money? Not necessarily directed at dbbandalum, but just to anyone who might know... don't be vague, put a number on it: what does this dude cost? To give you an idea of what Cartwright charges, last I heard, he charges Broken Arrow over $50K to design their show (he is also frequently at rehearsals so Iâm sure that factors in). Cartwright has a $10K minimum. Easy. If not more. Itâs quality, but I have also heard from people that used to design with him that itâs âmy way or the highwayâ and programs get what they get. They donât even have a say in their concept, Wes just picks one and designs it. I'll bet that his "my way or the highway" ideology can often drive bands away from choosing him. Many high-tier programs have the money for him to design their shows, but many schools have their own visions of what each years show should be. (In all honesty, If I were a band director, I would prefer to have a large say in what show my school would perform that year. I wouldn't want to put on a show, then proceed to work on it for so many months, without even liking it in the first place!) I suppose that is also just a sacrifice many bands have to make. Some are okay without deciding what their shows are if it means their group gets to perform at a higher level and move up in scores. I think it's kind of sad that show design and progression in rankings has to come down to these decisions: You either choose someone who doesn't give you room to decide things but you get good results, or you get to have a say in your band but the results aren't what they otherwise could have been.
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Post by dbbandalum on Aug 29, 2023 21:57:01 GMT -6
Another interesting question is do you think we will ever see a AAA band take the eagle? I know technically AAA has a lot of eagles, but that was before the creation of AAAA. Previously, I thought Leander had the best shot at it, but now it seems Blue Springs is the more likely candidate.
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 29, 2023 22:15:01 GMT -6
Another interesting question is do you think we will ever see a AAA band take the eagle? I know technically AAA has a lot of eagles, but that was before the creation of AAAA. Previously, I thought Leander had the best shot at it, but now it seems Blue Springs is the more likely candidate. I personally donât think it will happen for a long time. Theyâll have to contend with Carmel and Avon guaranteed, plus the near-annual AAAA Texas contingent that make the trip, plus Broken Arrow and Tarpon on their rotation years. But youâre right, Blue Springs and Leander probably have the best chance to do so in the future â I could see Dobyns-Bennett in that mix as well, and Iâm not just blowing smoke.
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Post by flagdodger on Aug 30, 2023 3:11:31 GMT -6
Another interesting question is do you think we will ever see a AAA band take the eagle? I know technically AAA has a lot of eagles, but that was before the creation of AAAA. Previously, I thought Leander had the best shot at it, but now it seems Blue Springs is the more likely candidate. Gosh, Leander throughout the mid to late 2010âs had some of my absolute favorite shows of all time. Really wish they wouldâve snagged the eagle in both 2016 and 2019. Iâd say going forward, Blue Springs has the highest chance. Also think either of the Lakota schools could have a shot after even more successful seasons of growth if they keep progressing like they have over the next 5-10 years, or maybe thatâs just the proud alumni in me speaking 𤣠**edit: thatâs IF both schools remain in AAA, they could easily go back to AAAA but I havenât really been checking the enrollment at all
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Post by zappak on Aug 30, 2023 10:18:49 GMT -6
I know I'm late to the game, but to piggyback off of the Kentucky counties size discussion, there was a proposal at the state legislative level that would combine certain counties across the state to try to alleviate spending on education by eventually combining the public high schools that resided in the combined counties into one larger school (image for reference posted below). Kentucky would go from having 120 counties down to only 55 counties. The proposal was dead on arrival, based on several different things, but one being the fact that county boarders weren't going to be redrawn, just simply combined, and in some cases the bus ride for some students would be in the 6+ hour range one direction. None the less, it's still interesting to think about. I crunched the numbers at while back (image below), and the largest school would have had a total enrollment of about 4,633 students using the 2022 enrollment numbers provided by KHSAA. The closest to them had about 1,500 less students. It would also have pushed our largest schools currently down a class. Of course the numbers aren't perfect. Lots of room for human error. It's just interesting to see what could have been. * signifies a MERGER
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