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Post by aiden on Aug 1, 2023 21:05:24 GMT -6
What band that hasn't already won grand nationals do you think will be a future grand national champion
In my opinion In the near future it's gonna be William Mason or some random TX band
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 2, 2023 5:04:49 GMT -6
I am assuming that this is for bands that have never won a Grand National title.
Well I suspect most of us would put Hebron as the top contender seeing as they are headed to Grand Nationals this year. Their performances the last couple of years in particular have been Grand National Champion calibur. The fact that they only attend Grand Nationals every four years has been a big factor in them not taking home the eagle. The same can also be said for Flower Mound and Marcus, both of whom have given Grand National Champion worthy performances in years that they did not attend Grand Nationals.
I was certainly impressed with William Mason last year, so I do not think you can leave them out of the discussion.
Another band that sparked my interest last year was Blue Springs. I thought their music performance in particular showed considerable growth from the 2021 season.
Of course there are several other Texas bands that have to be included. Ronald Reagan has the potential and were soo close in both 2003 and 2005. Cedar Ridge and Cedar Park were certainly good last year. I certainly see several other Texas bands with the potential to shine over the next few seasons.
Now as far as bands that have already won a Grand National Title, I say all the bands that have won a title since 2008 still have the ability to pull off another win. This includes, Avon, Broken Arrow, Carmel, The Woodlands, Tarpon Springs and Vandegrift.
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 2, 2023 5:05:11 GMT -6
It will not be a shock if Hebron (hardly some random Texas band) is the next new champion this year. On the non-Texas front, Blue Springs is a good option in the race with Mason to be the next new champion. edit: boahistorybuff posted a more detailed response with this information as I was typing. |
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Post by aiden on Aug 2, 2023 9:01:32 GMT -6
Coppell is a possibility in the future when they go to grand nationals
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Post by paddy on Aug 2, 2023 9:09:07 GMT -6
In Indiana, I would add Fishers and Brownsburg as contenders for potential future champions, but they are further off than others mentioned so far.
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Post by aiden on Aug 2, 2023 9:20:39 GMT -6
There's probably quite a few TX bands that could probably win grand nationals
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 2, 2023 14:15:29 GMT -6
There's probably quite a few TX bands that could probably win grand nationals The top 7 alone at last years San Antonio Finals have near term (next couple years) potential. Crazy! |
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Post by aiden on Aug 2, 2023 15:24:30 GMT -6
There's probably quite a few TX bands that could probably win grand nationals The top 7 alone at last years San Antonio Finals have near term (next couple years) potential. Crazy! Agreed |
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 2, 2023 18:49:59 GMT -6
Aiden, I want you to know I admire your enthusiasm to ask questions and make new threads. They’re always good questions and it’s driving me crazy that I’m too busy to answer all of them!
Definitely Hebron. I’ll be surprised if they don’t win this year. Ronald Reagan, Flower Mound, Vista Ridge, and Claudia Taylor Johnson are strong contenders from Texas, depending on the show they bring and how competitive the field is that year. Honestly, just about any consistent BOA SA finalist could win depending on the year.
Wishful (but still somewhat reasonable) thinking…I think there’s potential for a lot of groups that’ve sat around 14th-25th in recent years to rise up should any of the top groups go the way of Marian Catholic/PCEP. A few that come to mind are O’Fallon Township, Bentonville, Rosemount, Prosper, Castle, Fishers, Mustang, Brownsburg and Morton.
Dobyns-Bennett, William Mason, and Blue Springs are due for a win one of these days.
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Post by ccbop on Aug 2, 2023 19:22:32 GMT -6
What do we think the first KY band to win will eventually be? If it has already happened when was and with who, and who will be next?
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 2, 2023 19:35:22 GMT -6
What do we think the first KY band to win will eventually be? If it has already happened when was and with who, and who will be next? Frankly I think we have a monumentally long ways to go before a KY band wins Grand Nationals again (last and only time was Murray in 1977). And I think it would probably be Lafayette if they ever decide to go and if they ever get to that level. |
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Post by aiden on Aug 2, 2023 20:31:15 GMT -6
Aiden, I want you to know I admire your enthusiasm to ask questions and make new threads. They’re always good questions and it’s driving me crazy that I’m too busy to answer all of them! Definitely Hebron. I’ll be surprised if they don’t win this year. Ronald Reagan, Flower Mound, Vista Ridge, and Claudia Taylor Johnson are strong contenders from Texas, depending on the show they bring and how competitive the field is that year. Honestly, just about any consistent BOA SA finalist could win depending on the year. Wishful (but still somewhat reasonable) thinking…I think there’s potential for a lot of groups that’ve sat around 14th-25th in recent years to rise up should any of the top groups go the way of Marian Catholic/PCEP. A few that come to mind are O’Fallon Township, Bentonville, Rosemount, Prosper, Castle, Fishers, Mustang, Brownsburg and Morton. Dobyns-Bennett, William Mason, and Blue Springs are due for a win one of these days. The day William Mason wins grand nationals will be a good day for Ohio bands |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 3, 2023 4:56:38 GMT -6
What do we think the first KY band to win will eventually be? If it has already happened when was and with who, and who will be next? Yes Murray HS was the first and only Kentucky band to win a Grand National Title way back in 1977. That was a much different era back then. Grand Nationals was held in the summer those four years of the 1970s and the number of bands participating was under 40. Despite being a small school in Class A, Murray had 200 members in their band, roughly 1/3rd of their high school student body. Their win was a bit controversial as the Open Class Champ and defending Grand National Champ Live Oak CA sustained a penalty and a very questionable judging score that dropped them 0.05 points behind Murray, giving Murray the win. Murray would not attend Grand Nationals again until 2021, when they again won the Class A Title (obviously unlike 1977 much farther removed from 1st place). That 44 year gap is the longest gap between Class Championship titles in BOA history. Don't get me wrong, I love Kentucky bands. But in this era, bands at the top (aside from Tarpon Springs) are coming from huge school districts that have a lot of financial resources (whether it be their large school size or the amount of wealth within the school district). So I think it is becoming increasingly difficult for states like Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Illinois to produce another Grand National Champion. Who knows, maybe that will change, but I think it will be a long time, especially seeing the bands that Texas and Indiana are producing. I do think Lafayette has the potential to get into Finals. Their last GN Finals appearance, and that of a Kentucky band, was back in 2004. It is long overdue that we see a Kentucky band in finals. To put things into perspective, in the last 20 years, the only non Texas/Indiana bands to have won a GN Title are Broken Arrow and Tarpon Springs. |
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Post by aiden on Aug 3, 2023 7:34:59 GMT -6
Is this a trend of some sort or just a coincidence that TX bands always win in a year ending with a 3
In 1993 Spring HS from TX won
In 2003 Westfield HS from TX won
In 2013 The Woodlands HS won
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 3, 2023 9:07:12 GMT -6
Is this a trend of some sort or just a coincidence that TX bands always win in a year ending with a 3 In 1993 Spring HS from TX won In 2003 Westfield HS from TX won In 2013 The Woodlands HS won When Hebron takes the Eagle this year, it will truly qualify as a trend (if it doesn't already do so). |
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Post by cybrunette on Aug 3, 2023 9:44:51 GMT -6
Aiden, I want you to know I admire your enthusiasm to ask questions and make new threads. They’re always good questions and it’s driving me crazy that I’m too busy to answer all of them! Definitely Hebron. I’ll be surprised if they don’t win this year. Ronald Reagan, Flower Mound, Vista Ridge, and Claudia Taylor Johnson are strong contenders from Texas, depending on the show they bring and how competitive the field is that year. Honestly, just about any consistent BOA SA finalist could win depending on the year. Wishful (but still somewhat reasonable) thinking…I think there’s potential for a lot of groups that’ve sat around 14th-25th in recent years to rise up should any of the top groups go the way of Marian Catholic/PCEP. A few that come to mind are O’Fallon Township, Bentonville, Rosemount, Prosper, Castle, Fishers, Mustang, Brownsburg and Morton. Dobyns-Bennett, William Mason, and Blue Springs are due for a win one of these days. I'd even say if we're throwing DB into the mix, Wando has just as much a chance at winning it. I also think with how well American Fork does whenever they attend nationals, there are a few California bands that definitely outperform them to begin with that I'm sure all of us would love to see take home that title! |
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Post by ilikeguard on Aug 3, 2023 9:48:02 GMT -6
Aiden, I want you to know I admire your enthusiasm to ask questions and make new threads. They’re always good questions and it’s driving me crazy that I’m too busy to answer all of them! Definitely Hebron. I’ll be surprised if they don’t win this year. Ronald Reagan, Flower Mound, Vista Ridge, and Claudia Taylor Johnson are strong contenders from Texas, depending on the show they bring and how competitive the field is that year. Honestly, just about any consistent BOA SA finalist could win depending on the year. Wishful (but still somewhat reasonable) thinking…I think there’s potential for a lot of groups that’ve sat around 14th-25th in recent years to rise up should any of the top groups go the way of Marian Catholic/PCEP. A few that come to mind are O’Fallon Township, Bentonville, Rosemount, Prosper, Castle, Fishers, Mustang, Brownsburg and Morton. Dobyns-Bennett, William Mason, and Blue Springs are due for a win one of these days. I'd even say if we're throwing DB into the mix, Wando has just as much a chance at winning it. I also think with how well American Fork does whenever they attend nationals, there are a few California bands that definitely outperform them to begin with that I'm sure all of us would love to see take home that title! Great additions! Totally agreed with these. |
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Post by coleeich on Aug 3, 2023 11:27:07 GMT -6
I totally agree with the consensus here. I think from an Oklahoma perspective, Broken Arrow is the true contender in the nearest future.
I do think Mustang has a shot eventually. Their rise in BOA is pretty steady, and I don't expect them to stop anytime soon.
Another name that I will add to the mix is Bixby. Now, this one is a ways off, but once they find their groove in BOA comps, I think they will be a force to be reckoned with. They are getting better every year, not to mention the physical city of Bixby is growing so quickly. I am hoping this year they really prove that they can play at a national level.
I think something these bands (and others in Oklahoma) have going for them is the internal competitiveness here. BA is the longstanding champion in our marching band world, but some of these bands are starting to close the gap. Bixby, Mustang, even Jenks, Owasso are all hungry to be the one who beats BA. I think that day will come, and honestly I could see it in the next decade. And naturally (unless something strange happens to BA's program), if a band beats BA in Oklahoma, they are at the level to beat bands at the top nationally. I think with Bixby's current trajectory, we could see them as a true threat in the next 5-10 years.
Granted, having an Oklahoma band winning Grand Nats actually requires having an Oklahoma band attend, which is sadly not the case this year. I digress.
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 3, 2023 11:38:04 GMT -6
I totally agree with the consensus here. I think from an Oklahoma perspective, Broken Arrow is the true contender in the nearest future. I do think Mustang has a shot eventually. Their rise in BOA is pretty steady, and I don't expect them to stop anytime soon. Another name that I will add to the mix is Bixby. Now, this one is a ways off, but once they find their groove in BOA comps, I think they will be a force to be reckoned with. They are getting better every year, not to mention the physical city of Bixby is growing so quickly. I am hoping this year they really prove that they can play at a national level. I think something these bands (and others in Oklahoma) have going for them is the internal competitiveness here. BA is the longstanding champion in our marching band world, but some of these bands are starting to close the gap. Bixby, Mustang, even Jenks, Owasso are all hungry to be the one who beats BA. I think that day will come, and honestly I could see it in the next decade. And naturally (unless something strange happens to BA's program), if a band beats BA in Oklahoma, they are at the level to beat bands at the top nationally. I think with Bixby's current trajectory, we could see them as a true threat in the next 5-10 years. Granted, having an Oklahoma band winning Grand Nats actually requires having an Oklahoma band attend, which is sadly not the case this year. I digress. I agree. Having visited Tulsa and met a few assistance band directors and techs in that area. The culture is there to see several programs that can compete and final at SA and Nats! I’m really excited to see what comes out of Oklahoma these next few years |
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Post by philodemus on Aug 3, 2023 13:23:49 GMT -6
So, on the Kentucky thing... like others have said, if it could ever be anybody, it'd be Lafayette. Perhaps some future version of North Hardin.
But, and I say this as a deep lover of the Commonwealth and its bands...
It won't happen.
So, get out a map of the United States with the counties visible. You will notice that Kentucky counties are quite small, and thanks to a quirk in the state Constitution, counties are the fundamental units by which schools are organized. You may have heard the stereotype that people from Kentucky tell you what county they're from, but that's not quite right. The truth is, they tell you where they went to high school, and with only a few exceptions [Murray, Beechwood, etc.] high schools in Kentucky generally represent an entire county's population and resources. And, as previously noted, Kentucky counties are small, hence that population and those resources are also small.
So, generally, Kentucky bands tend to be the passion project and pride and joy of their communities, which is great, but they also tend to be underfunded relative what one would need to compete at National Finals level. You won't out hustle or out recruit us, but you can vastly, vastly outspend us.
So, look at Murray, the only school from Kentucky to win. At the time they were marching close to 200 kids, maybe more, out of a student body in the 400-500 range. Damned impressive to get that kind of buy-in and community support. But it was still a community of, like, 15,000 people total. In 1977 they could hang because money wasn't quite the determining factor it later became, but now? Even if they could bring those numbers to the field they'd be battling schools with those same numbers out of a school population of 5K and a community population of 100,000 +.
Drive through Carmel and count the Lexus dealerships, then drive through Murray, KY and do the same.
The reason Lafayette might -- might-- in some possible future have a shot is because they are from one of the more populous and wealthier parts of our state, but even the wealthiest part of Kentucky can't compare with the Indianapolis suburbs.
This is why we tend to get so excited around here about Class A at Grand Nationals. At that level, we can hang with anybody. Larger sizes? Pretty tough.
Sorry, that was a bit rambling. TLDR, we're poor.
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Post by bandirectorman on Aug 3, 2023 13:34:17 GMT -6
So, on the Kentucky thing... like others have said, if it could ever be anybody, it'd be Lafayette. Perhaps some future version of North Hardin. But, and I say this as a deep lover of the Commonwealth and its bands... It won't happen. So, get out a map of the United States with the counties visible. You will notice that Kentucky counties are quite small, and thanks to a quirk in the state Constitution, counties are the fundamental units by which schools are organized. You may have heard the stereotype that people from Kentucky tell you what county they're from, but that's not quite right. The truth is, they tell you where they went to high school, and with only a few exceptions [Murray, Beechwood, etc.] high schools in Kentucky generally represent an entire county's population and resources. And, as previously noted, Kentucky counties are small, hence that population and those resources are also small. So, generally, Kentucky bands tend to be the passion project and pride and joy of their communities, which is great, but they also tend to be underfunded relative what one would need to compete at National Finals level. You won't out hustle or out recruit us, but you can vastly, vastly outspend us. So, look at Murray, the only school from Kentucky to win. At the time they were marching close to 200 kids, maybe more, out of a student body in the 400-500 range. Damned impressive to get that kind of buy-in and community support. But it was still a community of, like, 15,000 people total. In 1977 they could hang because money wasn't quite the determining factor it later became, but now? Even if they could bring those numbers to the field they'd be battling schools with those same numbers out of a school population of 5K and a community population of 100,000 +. Drive through Carmel and count the Lexus dealerships, then drive through Murray, KY and do the same. The reason Lafayette might -- might-- in some possible future have a shot is because they are from one of the more populous and wealthier parts of our state, but even the wealthiest part of Kentucky can't compare with the Indianapolis suburbs. This is why we tend to get so excited around here about Class A at Grand Nationals. At that level, we can hang with anybody. Larger sizes? Pretty tough. Sorry, that was a bit rambling. TLDR, we're poor. Carmel is not that rich of an area. It's only rich relative to Indiana. It's better off than the national average, but look at the home prices and get back to me. Not eye-popping. Lexus-grade..not Ferrari, Rolls, or Lambo. Not even close. |
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Aug 3, 2023 14:13:35 GMT -6
So, on the Kentucky thing... like others have said, if it could ever be anybody, it'd be Lafayette. Perhaps some future version of North Hardin. But, and I say this as a deep lover of the Commonwealth and its bands... It won't happen. So, get out a map of the United States with the counties visible. You will notice that Kentucky counties are quite small, and thanks to a quirk in the state Constitution, counties are the fundamental units by which schools are organized. You may have heard the stereotype that people from Kentucky tell you what county they're from, but that's not quite right. The truth is, they tell you where they went to high school, and with only a few exceptions [Murray, Beechwood, etc.] high schools in Kentucky generally represent an entire county's population and resources. And, as previously noted, Kentucky counties are small, hence that population and those resources are also small. So, generally, Kentucky bands tend to be the passion project and pride and joy of their communities, which is great, but they also tend to be underfunded relative what one would need to compete at National Finals level. You won't out hustle or out recruit us, but you can vastly, vastly outspend us. So, look at Murray, the only school from Kentucky to win. At the time they were marching close to 200 kids, maybe more, out of a student body in the 400-500 range. Damned impressive to get that kind of buy-in and community support. But it was still a community of, like, 15,000 people total. In 1977 they could hang because money wasn't quite the determining factor it later became, but now? Even if they could bring those numbers to the field they'd be battling schools with those same numbers out of a school population of 5K and a community population of 100,000 +. Drive through Carmel and count the Lexus dealerships, then drive through Murray, KY and do the same. The reason Lafayette might -- might-- in some possible future have a shot is because they are from one of the more populous and wealthier parts of our state, but even the wealthiest part of Kentucky can't compare with the Indianapolis suburbs. This is why we tend to get so excited around here about Class A at Grand Nationals. At that level, we can hang with anybody. Larger sizes? Pretty tough. Sorry, that was a bit rambling. TLDR, we're poor. Even with obvious economical challenges Kentucky has the biggest sounding small bands in the country! I love me some K! All day any day |
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Post by hewhowaits on Aug 3, 2023 15:22:38 GMT -6
So, get out a map of the United States with the counties visible. You will notice that Kentucky counties are quite small, As the population of Kentucky grew rapidly in the late 1700s, the small counties were established so that every voter was within an easy one day horse ride of the county seat for purposes of voting. |
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Post by ohioguy2 on Aug 3, 2023 15:42:43 GMT -6
So, on the Kentucky thing... like others have said, if it could ever be anybody, it'd be Lafayette. Perhaps some future version of North Hardin. But, and I say this as a deep lover of the Commonwealth and its bands... It won't happen. So, get out a map of the United States with the counties visible. You will notice that Kentucky counties are quite small, and thanks to a quirk in the state Constitution, counties are the fundamental units by which schools are organized. You may have heard the stereotype that people from Kentucky tell you what county they're from, but that's not quite right. The truth is, they tell you where they went to high school, and with only a few exceptions [Murray, Beechwood, etc.] high schools in Kentucky generally represent an entire county's population and resources. And, as previously noted, Kentucky counties are small, hence that population and those resources are also small. So, generally, Kentucky bands tend to be the passion project and pride and joy of their communities, which is great, but they also tend to be underfunded relative what one would need to compete at National Finals level. You won't out hustle or out recruit us, but you can vastly, vastly outspend us. So, look at Murray, the only school from Kentucky to win. At the time they were marching close to 200 kids, maybe more, out of a student body in the 400-500 range. Damned impressive to get that kind of buy-in and community support. But it was still a community of, like, 15,000 people total. In 1977 they could hang because money wasn't quite the determining factor it later became, but now? Even if they could bring those numbers to the field they'd be battling schools with those same numbers out of a school population of 5K and a community population of 100,000 +. Drive through Carmel and count the Lexus dealerships, then drive through Murray, KY and do the same. The reason Lafayette might -- might-- in some possible future have a shot is because they are from one of the more populous and wealthier parts of our state, but even the wealthiest part of Kentucky can't compare with the Indianapolis suburbs. This is why we tend to get so excited around here about Class A at Grand Nationals. At that level, we can hang with anybody. Larger sizes? Pretty tough. Sorry, that was a bit rambling. TLDR, we're poor. Carmel is not that rich of an area. It's only rich relative to Indiana. It's better off than the national average, but look at the home prices and get back to me. Not eye-popping. Lexus-grade..not Ferrari, Rolls, or Lambo. Not even close. According to the US census, the median income in Carmel in 2021 was over $119,000 a year. Anyway you slice it, that’s really affluent. |
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Post by Allohak on Aug 3, 2023 19:02:08 GMT -6
So, on the Kentucky thing... like others have said, if it could ever be anybody, it'd be Lafayette. Perhaps some future version of North Hardin. But, and I say this as a deep lover of the Commonwealth and its bands... It won't happen. So, get out a map of the United States with the counties visible. You will notice that Kentucky counties are quite small, and thanks to a quirk in the state Constitution, counties are the fundamental units by which schools are organized. You may have heard the stereotype that people from Kentucky tell you what county they're from, but that's not quite right. The truth is, they tell you where they went to high school, and with only a few exceptions [Murray, Beechwood, etc.] high schools in Kentucky generally represent an entire county's population and resources. And, as previously noted, Kentucky counties are small, hence that population and those resources are also small. So, generally, Kentucky bands tend to be the passion project and pride and joy of their communities, which is great, but they also tend to be underfunded relative what one would need to compete at National Finals level. You won't out hustle or out recruit us, but you can vastly, vastly outspend us. So, look at Murray, the only school from Kentucky to win. At the time they were marching close to 200 kids, maybe more, out of a student body in the 400-500 range. Damned impressive to get that kind of buy-in and community support. But it was still a community of, like, 15,000 people total. In 1977 they could hang because money wasn't quite the determining factor it later became, but now? Even if they could bring those numbers to the field they'd be battling schools with those same numbers out of a school population of 5K and a community population of 100,000 +. Drive through Carmel and count the Lexus dealerships, then drive through Murray, KY and do the same. The reason Lafayette might -- might-- in some possible future have a shot is because they are from one of the more populous and wealthier parts of our state, but even the wealthiest part of Kentucky can't compare with the Indianapolis suburbs. This is why we tend to get so excited around here about Class A at Grand Nationals. At that level, we can hang with anybody. Larger sizes? Pretty tough. Sorry, that was a bit rambling. TLDR, we're poor. Carmel is not that rich of an area. It's only rich relative to Indiana. It's better off than the national average, but look at the home prices and get back to me. Not eye-popping. Lexus-grade..not Ferrari, Rolls, or Lambo. Not even close. I have a Facebook post from a GN weekend talking about a series of car dealerships in Carmel which begs to differ. Also, I work in the automotive retail field and can assure you there is a very strong concentration of hugh-dollar luxury vehicle and autosport dealerships in Carmel. Relative to incorporated areas across the country, not just Indiana |
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Post by josephbandfan on Aug 3, 2023 19:23:54 GMT -6
Is this a trend of some sort or just a coincidence that TX bands always win in a year ending with a 3 In 1993 Spring HS from TX won In 2003 Westfield HS from TX won In 2013 The Woodlands HS won And each time was a different Houston area band. I’m looking at you Pearland |
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Post by aiden on Aug 3, 2023 22:26:04 GMT -6
If Hebron doesn't win this year I'll be quite surprised
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Post by bandirectorman on Aug 3, 2023 23:22:12 GMT -6
Carmel is not that rich of an area. It's only rich relative to Indiana. It's better off than the national average, but look at the home prices and get back to me. Not eye-popping. Lexus-grade..not Ferrari, Rolls, or Lambo. Not even close. I have a Facebook post from a GN weekend talking about a series of car dealerships in Carmel which begs to differ. Also, I work in the automotive retail field and can assure you there is a very strong concentration of hugh-dollar luxury vehicle and autosport dealerships in Carmel. Relative to incorporated areas across the country, not just Indiana Yeah.. I guess our definition of what is rich or affluent is different. Not a big deal, but I don't view $120K median income as rich. Highland Park, TX or Winnetka, IL, sure, but not buying this definition. |
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Post by yayband914 on Aug 3, 2023 23:24:00 GMT -6
Meh, Lexuses are just glorified Toyotas anyways. 😉
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Post by boahistorybuff on Aug 4, 2023 3:23:24 GMT -6
Taking Tarpon Springs out of the mix since it is a performing arts magnate school, all of the bands that have won a Grand National title since 2005 have these things in common:
They are all from very large school districts within middle to upper middle class communities. Some of these communities, like Carmel and The Woodlands do have some neighborhoods that are upper class. Their music education programs are well funded, likely from a combination of state and local taxes. There is community support and a lot of pride in their marching band.
As for communities that are uber rich so to speak, they tend to be smaller and a lot of the parents send their kids to private schools where a lot of resources are focused on academics to prepare the kids for Ivy Leage schools.
Another point I want to make is that overall the cost of living is less in the Midwest and south compared to the east and west coasts. So parents and members of the communities from middle and upper middle class school districts in the midwest and across the south likely have more expendable income to supplement their marching band programs.
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