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Post by supersound on May 18, 2019 22:55:52 GMT -6
With all the talk of it over in competitions I think having a topic about it will help clear stuff up I’ll try to keep up with a list if I don’t feel free to delete and make your own
Moving Up To AAAA: Vista Ridge H.S ,TX (From 3A) Waxahachie H.S ,TX (from 3A) Bridgeland H.S, TX (From 2A) Klein Cane, TX (From 3A)
Moving To AAA: Up To 3A: Tom Glenn H.S ,TX (from 2A) Rouse H.S ,TX (from 2A) Weiss H.S, TX (From 2A) Paetow H.S, TX (From 2A)
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 19, 2019 5:53:26 GMT -6
Great idea! I’ll be curious to see if Vista Ridge does move up to 4A in BOA. I like them being 3A with us so I’ll be disappointed for sure if they do.
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Post by abtwitch on May 19, 2019 9:56:56 GMT -6
Based off what I've seen in enrollment numbers:
Rouse H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (large 2018 freshman class) Tom Glenn H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (large 2018 freshman class, but it will be close) Vista Ridge H.S., TX: AAA -> AAAA (small 2018 senior class, large 2018 freshman class) Waxahachie H.S., TX: AAA -> AAAA (VERY large 2018 freshman class, hence their recent boost to UIL 6A) Weiss H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (first year with seniors)
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Post by yayband914 on May 19, 2019 10:04:43 GMT -6
Based off what I've seen in enrollment numbers: Rouse H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (large 2018 freshman class) Tom Glenn H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (large 2018 freshman class, but it will be close) Vista Ridge H.S., TX: AAA -> AAAA (small 2018 senior class, large 2018 freshman class) Waxahachie H.S., TX: AAA -> AAAA (VERY large 2018 freshman class, hence their recent boost to UIL 6A) Weiss H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (first year with seniors) What about Paetow? Will they remain AA or change to AAA?
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Post by abtwitch on May 19, 2019 10:27:01 GMT -6
To answer yayband914 and throwing in a couple Houston-area bands that I missed
Paetow H.S., TX: AA -> AAA (first year with seniors) Bridgeland H.S., TX: AA -> AAAA (yes, all the way up, their freshman class is sitting at over 800) Klein Cain H.S., TX: AAA -> AAAA (first year with seniors)
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Post by supersound on May 19, 2019 11:03:51 GMT -6
Any major non Texan class changes?
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Post by Allohak on May 19, 2019 11:14:52 GMT -6
For BOA purposes only grades 10-12 count toward class assignments, so large freshman classes don't impact (unless I'm forgetting a change?)
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Post by supersound on May 19, 2019 11:17:56 GMT -6
For BOA purposes only grades 10-12 count toward class assignments, so large freshman classes don't impact (unless I'm forgetting a change?) You’re actually very right, some schools are switching irregardless of that rule
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Post by es203 on May 19, 2019 11:29:23 GMT -6
What are the school sizes for each class? I can’t seem to find it on the bands of america website
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Post by yayband914 on May 19, 2019 11:44:48 GMT -6
What are the school sizes for each class? I can’t seem to find it on the bands of america website Class A is up to 600 students. Class AA is 601-1250. Class AAA is 1251-1750. Class AAAA is 1751 and above.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 19, 2019 12:19:18 GMT -6
For BOA purposes only grades 10-12 count toward class assignments, so large freshman classes don't impact (unless I'm forgetting a change?) True, but the Freshman classes abtwitch is referring to are CURRENT freshmen. They’ll all be Sophomores when the 2019 season begins.
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Post by Allohak on May 19, 2019 12:46:07 GMT -6
For BOA purposes only grades 10-12 count toward class assignments, so large freshman classes don't impact (unless I'm forgetting a change?) True, but the Freshman classes abtwitch is referring to are CURRENT freshmen. They’ll all be Sophomores when the 2019 season begins. ...that too
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Post by supersound on May 19, 2019 13:34:42 GMT -6
Any major non Texan class changes?
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Post by Marching Observer on May 19, 2019 17:45:21 GMT -6
Any major non Texan class changes? Homestead is most likely moving back in AAAA from AAA in 2020. They have a HUGE freshman to sophomore class. Like, it's 100 kids larger than every other grade level in the entire corporation. This is assuming they take the 2018-19 numbers.
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Post by Marching Observer on May 19, 2019 18:14:20 GMT -6
Now in regards to ISSMA class changes, they just released their 2019 numbers. I did not spot any real changes of note. I know there had been some speculation on if Concord was moving back down to Class B but they will be remaining in Class A for another year by 7 kids. Here's the list which AMAZINGLY they don't hide behind a password lock. www.issma.net/downloads/classes19.pdf
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on May 19, 2019 19:48:51 GMT -6
Now in regards to ISSMA class changes, they just released their 2019 numbers. I did not spot any real changes of note. I know there had been some speculation on if Concord was moving back down to Class B but they will be remaining in Class A for another year by 7 kids. Here's the list which AMAZINGLY they don't hide behind a password lock. www.issma.net/downloads/classes19.pdfIt is absolutely mind boggling how huge Carmel HS is, IIRC it is like the 3rd or 4th largest school in the country. And interesting to think that based on the size of the school their marching band is actually proportionally undersized, if they do still take anyone who wants a spot.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 19, 2019 20:29:13 GMT -6
Now in regards to ISSMA class changes, they just released their 2019 numbers. I did not spot any real changes of note. I know there had been some speculation on if Concord was moving back down to Class B but they will be remaining in Class A for another year by 7 kids. Here's the list which AMAZINGLY they don't hide behind a password lock. www.issma.net/downloads/classes19.pdfIt is absolutely mind boggling how huge Carmel HS is, IIRC it is like the 3rd or 4th largest school in the country. And interesting to think that based on the size of the school their marching band is actually proportionally undersized, if they do still take anyone who wants a spot. Wow, Carmel is massive! I had no idea.
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2019 6:13:39 GMT -6
There are some other potentially huge high schools in Indiana in that area as well, but those school districts decided to start 2nd high schools instead of growing to Carmel size. The 2 Lawrence Township schools represent a HS of 4,886 and the 2 HSE schools would be 6,782 (1500 bigger than Carmel).
Marching Observer: Here's the list which AMAZINGLY they don't hide behind a password lock.
Ain't that the truth. Everything of note on the ISSMA site is locked down except this.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 20, 2019 7:15:42 GMT -6
In Leander ISD, we build new schools when growth gets to a certain point. When we moved to Cedar Park in 1998, there was just Leander HS in our district. Cedar Park HS opened up that fall and Vista Ridge shortly thereafter. Since then Leander ISD has added Rouse, Vandegrift and Tom Glenn. A seventh school is due to open in the next few years. Even with all the additional schools, we are all 5A and 6A size schools, which are the two largest classifications in Texas. It’s crazy to me that Carmel and other schools in Indiana are allowed to grow to that size. I feel the same way about Allen HS here in Texas. It has over 5000 students with over 800 band members. I think that’s nuts! 😂
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Post by 18Saxes on May 20, 2019 7:17:39 GMT -6
In Leander ISD, we build new schools when growth gets to a certain point. When we moved to Cedar Park in 1998, there was just Leander HS in our district. Cedar Park HS opened up that fall and Vista Ridge shortly thereafter. Since then Leander ISD has added Rouse, Vandegrift and Tom Glenn. A seventh school is due to open in the next few years. Even with all the additional schools, we are all 5A and 6A size schools, which are the two largest classifications in Texas. It’s crazy to me that Carmel and other schools in Indiana are allowed to grow to that size. I feel the same way about Allen HS here in Texas. It has over 5000 students with over 800 band members. I think that’s nuts! 😂 Having been to the city of Carmel, there isn’t exactly much space to put a school. It’s a pretty dense place.
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2019 8:40:46 GMT -6
Indiana only has a few places that are growing like Texas so there isn't really a uniform methodology about school size. We are also a staunch local control state so schools are left to their own devices on issues like this.
The north side of Indy where Carmel and Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers HS and HSE HS) are really the only places growing in a way where adding High Schools would even come in to play. Hamilton Southeastern made the conscious decision in 1995 to add high schools when they got to a certain point. I'm not sure anyone in Carmel ever thought they would get that big. 15 years ago they were under 4,000 (still big) and every demographer they talked to thought they had stabilized.
These huge schools are really outliers in Indiana. The average HS is around 900 and the median is around 600.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 20, 2019 11:04:41 GMT -6
Yes, I am sure space is an issue if Carmel is squeezed into a small area. Leander has tons of available land still which is one reason for the huge growth out here. We have the room and Texas has the booming economy.
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Post by dbalash on May 20, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -6
Indiana only has a few places that are growing like Texas so there isn't really a uniform methodology about school size. We are also a staunch local control state so schools are left to their own devices on issues like this. The north side of Indy where Carmel and Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers HS and HSE HS) are really the only places growing in a way where adding High Schools would even come in to play. Hamilton Southeastern made the conscious decision in 1995 to add high schools when they got to a certain point. I'm not sure anyone in Carmel ever thought they would get that big. 15 years ago they were under 4,000 (still big) and every demographer they talked to thought they had stabilized. These huge schools are really outliers in Indiana. The average HS is around 900 and the median is around 600. Lake Central will be the next one to be up in the 4,000+ range. While north Dyer is pretty much built out (bit here and there), Schererville and St. John are growing like gangbusters. There's new houses popping up every day, and based on the driving around looking at houses my wife and I have done, there's still PLENTY of land in LC's boundaries for new houses.
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Post by bandfaninfo1 on May 20, 2019 12:01:38 GMT -6
Indiana only has a few places that are growing like Texas so there isn't really a uniform methodology about school size. We are also a staunch local control state so schools are left to their own devices on issues like this. The north side of Indy where Carmel and Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers HS and HSE HS) are really the only places growing in a way where adding High Schools would even come in to play. Hamilton Southeastern made the conscious decision in 1995 to add high schools when they got to a certain point. I'm not sure anyone in Carmel ever thought they would get that big. 15 years ago they were under 4,000 (still big) and every demographer they talked to thought they had stabilized. These huge schools are really outliers in Indiana. The average HS is around 900 and the median is around 600. There has always been talk about creating a second high school in Carmel, but it is always met with a strong voice against it. They want to keep the school large, competitive, etc. While Carmel HS is large, there are people in Carmel who send their kids to University HS, Park Tudor, and the handful of Catholic high schools in the area such as Guerin Catholic, Cathedral, Heritage Christian, Bishop Chatard, Brebeuf Jesuit, etc. However, the next high school that may be built in Indiana will be in Boone County, which is a county west of Hamilton County (Carmel, Fishers, etc.) Whitestown is the fastest growing city in Indiana. It is in-between Zionsville, Brownsburg, and Lebanon.
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2019 12:19:30 GMT -6
However, the next high school that may be built in Indiana will be in Boone County, which is a county west of Hamilton County (Carmel, Fishers, etc.) Whitestown is the fastest growing city in Indiana. It is in-between Zionsville, Brownsburg, and Lebanon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They aren't building a HS in Whitestown unless Zionsville Schools decides to build another high school. Whitestown is growing because of Zionsville Schools and the fact that the City of Zionsville has stopped being opposed to growth. A new HS will cost ~$100 million and I can't believe Zionsville schools has any interest in that.
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2019 12:22:15 GMT -6
There has always been talk about creating a second high school in Carmel, but it is always met with a strong voice against it. They want to keep the school large, competitive, etc. While Carmel HS is large, there are people in Carmel who send their kids to University HS, Park Tudor, and the handful of Catholic high schools in the area such as Guerin Catholic, Cathedral, Heritage Christian, Bishop Chatard, Brebeuf Jesuit, etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Between the expense and scarcity of land and this, it makes little sense for Carmel-Clay Schools to take on the headache and cost of building a second high school
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2019 12:31:40 GMT -6
Indiana only has a few places that are growing like Texas so there isn't really a uniform methodology about school size. We are also a staunch local control state so schools are left to their own devices on issues like this. The north side of Indy where Carmel and Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers HS and HSE HS) are really the only places growing in a way where adding High Schools would even come in to play. Hamilton Southeastern made the conscious decision in 1995 to add high schools when they got to a certain point. I'm not sure anyone in Carmel ever thought they would get that big. 15 years ago they were under 4,000 (still big) and every demographer they talked to thought they had stabilized. These huge schools are really outliers in Indiana. The average HS is around 900 and the median is around 600. Lake Central will be the next one to be up in the 4,000+ range. While north Dyer is pretty much built out (bit here and there), Schererville and St. John are growing like gangbusters. There's new houses popping up every day, and based on the driving around looking at houses my wife and I have done, there's still PLENTY of land in LC's boundaries for new houses. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interesting. I admit that I don't know much about that region of Indiana demographically, but looking at the DOE info, I would be surprised if they get to 4,000 any time soon. They are at 3,344 with the 4 largest classes in the pipeline currently attending grades 9-12. Their current K-3 enrollment is only 2,568 and their 4-7 enrollment is 2,805. Their overall student population has been declining for 7 or 8 years.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 20, 2019 13:31:09 GMT -6
Indiana only has a few places that are growing like Texas so there isn't really a uniform methodology about school size. We are also a staunch local control state so schools are left to their own devices on issues like this. The north side of Indy where Carmel and Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers HS and HSE HS) are really the only places growing in a way where adding High Schools would even come in to play. Hamilton Southeastern made the conscious decision in 1995 to add high schools when they got to a certain point. I'm not sure anyone in Carmel ever thought they would get that big. 15 years ago they were under 4,000 (still big) and every demographer they talked to thought they had stabilized. These huge schools are really outliers in Indiana. The average HS is around 900 and the median is around 600. There's not really a uniform methodology in Texas, either. Just more districts dealing with the growth. In the northern DFW suburbs, for example, you have Allen High School, as LeanderMomma mentioned. The school is the largest in the state with over 5,000 students. (Personally, I think the approach is stupid from a student participation POV. All those kids and you still only have five starting on the varsity basketball team. But that's another discussion.) They show no interest in opening a second high school. Just a little west of Allen is Frisco ISD. This is the home of Wakleland HS, Lebanon Trail HS, etc. 25 years ago, Frisco ISD was a single HS district. Then growth exploded. The district now has 10 high schools open and NONE of them are 6A schools. They target all of their high schools to max out at 5A level.
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Post by bandfaninfo1 on May 20, 2019 13:31:23 GMT -6
However, the next high school that may be built in Indiana will be in Boone County, which is a county west of Hamilton County (Carmel, Fishers, etc.) Whitestown is the fastest growing city in Indiana. It is in-between Zionsville, Brownsburg, and Lebanon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They aren't building a HS in Whitestown unless Zionsville Schools decides to build another high school. Whitestown is growing because of Zionsville Schools and the fact that the City of Zionsville has stopped being opposed to growth. A new HS will cost ~$100 million and I can't believe Zionsville schools has any interest in that. Zionsville will not build another, nor can they add on to the school to accommodate the growth. It is Lebanon taking on the most of the growth and students in, but they are also getting full. They will have to do something if population continues to grow.
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Post by paddy on May 20, 2019 13:39:55 GMT -6
Zionsville will not build another, nor can they add on to the school to accommodate the growth. It is Lebanon taking on the most of the growth and students in, but they are also getting full. They will have to do something if population continues to grow.
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The Lebanon school population is slightly smaller today than it was both 5 and 10 years ago.
It is going to take a ton of growth within Zionsville's district boundaries to eventually spill over to Lebanon. Very few folks are moving to Boone County so their kids can go to Lebanon.
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