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Post by lightningfive on Nov 13, 2023 10:33:35 GMT -6
Is there a list of definite "Not going" yet? I noticed no Carroll, no Penn and no Goshen. We're new to band this year so maybe they don't normally go - or don't every year? Such a list COULD contain almost every marching band in the country. Ha, for sure. I was just curious but obviously understand it's a ton of work. Thanks. |
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Post by cybrunette on Nov 13, 2023 11:06:21 GMT -6
Such a list COULD contain almost every marching band in the country. Ha, for sure. I was just curious but obviously understand it's a ton of work. Thanks. Although you'll have to scroll through.. you'll see others post those who aren't attending which are usually schools that might have a chance at going or even ones that others would hope to see there lol |
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Post by tempotribe on Nov 13, 2023 11:19:16 GMT -6
I can confirm these two schools:
American Fork HS - UT
Westlake HS - UT
Skyridge HS - UT is a maybe.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 11:20:07 GMT -6
A Utah AND Oklahoma invasion?!
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Post by tempotribe on Nov 13, 2023 11:21:30 GMT -6
A Utah AND Oklahoma invasion?! Seems like it! I know that these Utah schools are trying to convince other schools to go too, but that's not likely. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 11:21:54 GMT -6
I can confirm these two schools: American Fork HS - UT Westlake HS - UT Skyridge HS - UT is a maybe. You’re new here, so you wouldn’t know of the unwritten rule to cite your sources. I know someone else mentioned earlier that a news story aired about the two potentially going, but are they actually confirmed to be going, or still in the midst of fundraising and only still planning to go? |
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Post by tempotribe on Nov 13, 2023 11:33:22 GMT -6
I can confirm these two schools: American Fork HS - UT Westlake HS - UT Skyridge HS - UT is a maybe. You’re new here, so you wouldn’t know of the unwritten rule to site your sources. I know someone else mentioned earlier that a news story aired about the two potentially going, but are they actually confirmed to be going, or still in the midst of fundraising and only still planning to go? Heard it straight from the horses mouth. Unless something crazy happens (like with Westlake this year learning that their trailer was unsafe and they needed another one), they will be going. AF wants to make finals. Westlake has beat AF in visual a few times in the past two years, and they have a great design team (Jamie Holly, Jenifo). They're gunning for it. Westlake is also in a fairly wealthy area with parents who want them to win, so they should have no problem going. There have been talks between directors of a lot of Utah schools going on the same year. Looks like next year will be the year. |
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Post by abtwitch on Nov 13, 2023 11:36:43 GMT -6
AS OF 11/12/2023 Potential/Rumored:Friendswood H.S., TX Friendswood is confirmed as far as I know, they've made posts on public social media about it. |
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Post by ccbop on Nov 13, 2023 11:38:01 GMT -6
Just a rumor but Campbell County, Ky may be going for the next 3 years. The talent is there and may even throw in some super regionals. Don’t know where the fundraising is coming from but I’m sure they’ll manage.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 11:44:04 GMT -6
AS OF 11/12/2023 Potential/Rumored:Friendswood H.S., TX Friendswood is confirmed as far as I know, they've made posts on public social media about it. Someone on the previous page said they were not confirmed and will be determining if they are able to go after seeing how much they fundraise. |
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Post by pitplayer19 on Nov 13, 2023 11:49:34 GMT -6
Don’t sleep on Westlake. They’re on a really good trajectory and should make semi finals.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 11:52:57 GMT -6
Don’t sleep on Westlake. They’re on a really good trajectory and should make semi finals. SHOULD?! It’s all but guaranteed based on how close they’ve been to American Fork. I don’t think anyone will be sleeping on them! 😁 |
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 13, 2023 13:50:16 GMT -6
I really like Westlake (UT) and they have been doing great over the past couple of years. However I was pretty sad when they came to San Antonio I little ways back to see how low they ended up. That alone has me worried to call them a SHOULD for grand nats semis.
I will say, they have continued to improve since then and I also think that trip was good for the growth of their program.
Edit: I also know that was a tough year for them and it corresponded with a school split.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 13:53:09 GMT -6
I really like Westlake (UT) and they have been doing great over the past couple of years. However I was pretty sad when they came to San Antonio I little ways back to see how low they ended up. That alone has me worried to call them a SHOULD for grand nats semis. I will say, they have continued to improve since then and I also think that trip was good for the growth of their program. Edit: I also know that was a tough year for them and it corresponded with a school split. Tough to place well at San Antonio when all of the top 30 bands there would handily make semis at GN. I like Westlake’s chances a lot more at GN. |
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 13, 2023 14:47:48 GMT -6
I really like Westlake (UT) and they have been doing great over the past couple of years. However I was pretty sad when they came to San Antonio I little ways back to see how low they ended up. That alone has me worried to call them a SHOULD for grand nats semis. I will say, they have continued to improve since then and I also think that trip was good for the growth of their program. Edit: I also know that was a tough year for them and it corresponded with a school split. Tough to place well at San Antonio when all of the top 30 bands there would handily make semis at GN. I like Westlake’s chances a lot more at GN. Not to derail this thread, but fun fact, they did go to GN in 2016, and similar to their San Antonio trip, also placed horribly: tying for 54th place, scoring a 75.80, right at 8.5 points outside of Semis. They did manage to pop up a 43rd place in Visual GE, but every other sub caption placed in the 50s or 60s. I need to follow our Utah bands better - I don't really know what changed, but it is worth noting that they are very much a different band post-Covid, and would probably fare immensely better returning to either San Antonio or GN. Edited since my fuzzy memory on the scores was bothering me so I went back and looked: they were much more inconsistent pre-Covid. Again, I don't know what changed, but something sure did, it's only been post-Covid that they've been medaling - mostly in the bottom half of St George Finals for years before that, and, hell, the year they placed so low on their trip to San Antonio (2019), they didn't even make Finals, placing 18th at St George Prelims that year. So, obviously they are a very different band attending GN next year than even 4 short years ago. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 14:49:22 GMT -6
Tough to place well at San Antonio when all of the top 30 bands there would handily make semis at GN. I like Westlake’s chances a lot more at GN. Not to derail this thread, but fun fact, they did go to GN in 2016, and similar to their San Antonio trip, also placed horribly: tying for 54th place, scoring a 75.80, right at 8.5 points outside of Semis. They did manage to pop up a 43rd place in Visual GE, but every other sub caption placed in the 50s or 60s. I need to follow our Utah bands better - I don't really know what changed, but it is worth noting that they are very much a different band post-Covid, and would probably fare immensely better returning to either San Antonio or GN. Just goes to show how STACKED 2016 was when you place 54th and still receive a respectable Division I score of 75.80. |
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 15:01:50 GMT -6
Not to derail this thread, but fun fact, they did go to GN in 2016, and similar to their San Antonio trip, also placed horribly: tying for 54th place, scoring a 75.80, right at 8.5 points outside of Semis. They did manage to pop up a 43rd place in Visual GE, but every other sub caption placed in the 50s or 60s. I need to follow our Utah bands better - I don't really know what changed, but it is worth noting that they are very much a different band post-Covid, and would probably fare immensely better returning to either San Antonio or GN. Just goes to show how STACKED 2016 was when you place 54th and still receive a respectable Division I score of 75.80. Guess who else didn’t make semis that year? Rockford, Centerville, Nation Ford, Walled Lake, Lafayette (LA), Bentonville, Reeths-Puffer, North Hardin, Jenks, Bassett, Panther Creek, Morton, Carroll (IN), Mustang, Lincoln-Way, Central Hardin, Miamisburg, Jenison, Lake Hamilton… I could go on. That HAD to have been the most competitive GN in history, no? Or at least since 2000. I’m not a bonafide historian, though. |
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Post by bingogooberman on Nov 13, 2023 15:05:56 GMT -6
Should we expect a change in the woodland's normal every other year schedule since they are going to the rose parade in 2025? Probably not but you never know. Might also need to keep an eye on Flower Mound since they're on rotation for 2025 but are doing the Macy's Parade next year. This is pure speculation, but now that state is every year and it seems like the FloMo administration has been more strict about class time missed post-Covid (two SA supers skipped in that time) it wouldn’t shock me to see them shift to going to grand nats on even years when 6A state is earlier (still only once every 4 years tho). Maybe then they could get in a rhythm of going to San Antonio on years when 6A state starts the following Monday? |
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 13, 2023 15:21:43 GMT -6
Just goes to show how STACKED 2016 was when you place 54th and still receive a respectable Division I score of 75.80. Guess who else didn’t make semis that year? Rockford, Centerville, Nation Ford, Walled Lake, Lafayette (LA), Bentonville, Reeths-Puffer, North Hardin, Jenks, Bassett, Panther Creek, Morton, Carroll (IN), Mustang, Lincoln-Way, Central Hardin, Miamisburg, Jenison, Lake Hamilton… I could go on. That HAD to have been the most competitive GN in history, no? Or at least since 2000. I’m not a bonafide historian, though. I will always maintain that it was actually one of the weakest GNS at the top (evidenced by Carmel & Avon tying at the top, but each with fairly weak shows in their overall canons - and no TX champion potentials or BA attending), but the race to get into Finals was one of the deepest ever (Homestead, Vista Murrieta, Ayala, James Bowie, Union, Owasso, O'Fallon, MPLT, Franklin all popping top-12 sub caption numbers but ending up left out), and then of course that Semis race was ABSOLUTELY the deepest I have ever, ever, EVER seen. Too deep, maybe - I think it deterred a number of bands from GN for a bit. It's one thing not to make Finals on a crowded year, but another to travel a long distance just to not advance past Prelims. Rockford, Centerville (the one and only time), Nation Ford, Walled Lake, Lafayette, Bentonville, Jenks (who would make Finals on their next trip 2 seasons later), Panther Creek, Morton, Carroll (their last and only GN trip until this season), Ben Davis, Mustang, Jenison, Lincoln-Way. WOOF! My far the most competitive Semis threshold ever. Back to your regularly-scheduled programming : ) |
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 13, 2023 15:46:00 GMT -6
Really hoping the additional Leander ISD school considering an appearance next year is either Rouse or Vista Ridge. Would have loved to seen Vandegrift come back next year, but it sounds like they have no plans to attend.
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Post by orangeysnicket on Nov 13, 2023 16:00:30 GMT -6
I can confirm these two schools: American Fork HS - UT Westlake HS - UT Skyridge HS - UT is a maybe. As a member of the staff at American Fork, I wouldn't call us "confirmed" yet. I'd be absolutely shocked if we didn't go, but we need the parents to vote to confirm, and that vote hasn't happened yet (unless it slipped under my radar somehow in the last couple of days.) I'd put our odds of attendance at 95%+, but formally speaking, I don't believe we've declared 100% we're going at this time. |
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Post by ilikeguard on Nov 13, 2023 18:16:44 GMT -6
I have no inside information, just really hoping Nixa comes back this year 🤞🏻 I wish they’d have been here for the most recent season. I don’t think we’d have seen them too far away from Walled Lake and Nation Ford.
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 13, 2023 18:19:53 GMT -6
Really hoping the additional Leander ISD school considering an appearance next year is either Rouse or Vista Ridge. Would have loved to seen Vandegrift come back next year, but it sounds like they have no plans to attend. My gut says Leander or Rouse. |
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 13, 2023 19:35:59 GMT -6
Not to derail this thread, but fun fact, they did go to GN in 2016, and similar to their San Antonio trip, also placed horribly: tying for 54th place, scoring a 75.80, right at 8.5 points outside of Semis. They did manage to pop up a 43rd place in Visual GE, but every other sub caption placed in the 50s or 60s. I need to follow our Utah bands better - I don't really know what changed, but it is worth noting that they are very much a different band post-Covid, and would probably fare immensely better returning to either San Antonio or GN. Just goes to show how STACKED 2016 was when you place 54th and still receive a respectable Division I score of 75.80. I want to say 2016 has to be up there in terms of average score decreases from prelims to semis. The prelims scores were so ridiculously high that we saw several bands' scores come back down to earth in semis. I'm thinking it either has to be 2016 or 2001 for the average score decrease record (2001 mostly due to day 2 panel). |
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Post by dbbandalum on Nov 13, 2023 20:30:18 GMT -6
Guess who else didn’t make semis that year? Rockford, Centerville, Nation Ford, Walled Lake, Lafayette (LA), Bentonville, Reeths-Puffer, North Hardin, Jenks, Bassett, Panther Creek, Morton, Carroll (IN), Mustang, Lincoln-Way, Central Hardin, Miamisburg, Jenison, Lake Hamilton… I could go on. That HAD to have been the most competitive GN in history, no? Or at least since 2000. I’m not a bonafide historian, though. I will always maintain that it was actually one of the weakest GNS at the top (evidenced by Carmel & Avon tying at the top, but each with fairly weak shows in their overall canons - and no TX champion potentials or BA attending), but the race to get into Finals was one of the deepest ever (Homestead, Vista Murrieta, Ayala, James Bowie, Union, Owasso, O'Fallon, MPLT, Franklin all popping top-12 sub caption numbers but ending up left out), and then of course that Semis race was ABSOLUTELY the deepest I have ever, ever, EVER seen. Too deep, maybe - I think it deterred a number of bands from GN for a bit. It's one thing not to make Finals on a crowded year, but another to travel a long distance just to not advance past Prelims. Rockford, Centerville (the one and only time), Nation Ford, Walled Lake, Lafayette, Bentonville, Jenks (who would make Finals on their next trip 2 seasons later), Panther Creek, Morton, Carroll (their last and only GN trip until this season), Ben Davis, Mustang, Jenison, Lincoln-Way. WOOF! My far the most competitive Semis threshold ever. Back to your regularly-scheduled programming : ) Don't forget about the 12th spot tie between Homestead and DB. Just goes to show how tight the race for finals was that year |
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Post by aiden on Nov 13, 2023 20:37:37 GMT -6
How many SW Ohio bands are possibly attending Grand Nats 2024?
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Post by tempotribe on Nov 13, 2023 20:38:12 GMT -6
Tough to place well at San Antonio when all of the top 30 bands there would handily make semis at GN. I like Westlake’s chances a lot more at GN. Not to derail this thread, but fun fact, they did go to GN in 2016, and similar to their San Antonio trip, also placed horribly: tying for 54th place, scoring a 75.80, right at 8.5 points outside of Semis. They did manage to pop up a 43rd place in Visual GE, but every other sub caption placed in the 50s or 60s. I need to follow our Utah bands better - I don't really know what changed, but it is worth noting that they are very much a different band post-Covid, and would probably fare immensely better returning to either San Antonio or GN. Edited since my fuzzy memory on the scores was bothering me so I went back and looked: they were much more inconsistent pre-Covid. Again, I don't know what changed, but something sure did, it's only been post-Covid that they've been medaling - mostly in the bottom half of St George Finals for years before that, and, hell, the year they placed so low on their trip to San Antonio (2019), they didn't even make Finals, placing 18th at St George Prelims that year. So, obviously they are a very different band attending GN next year than even 4 short years ago. Primarily what changed is new band directors and more stability in directors at some of these schools, Westlake included. These Utah schools see how close American Fork has been to finals, and it doesn't seem untouchable anymore, so there's a lot more motivation, and the Utah population is booming. Also a lot of former American Fork students are now staffing at other Utah schools, and they want nothing more than to beat their alma mater. Anyway, back on topic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like there are already 7 bands going to Grand Nats next year who have made finals in the past two years. And we're not even 48 hours removed from finals retreat. It's going to be a great year. |
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Post by jakeymam12 on Nov 13, 2023 23:30:58 GMT -6
Not to derail this thread, but fun fact, they did go to GN in 2016, and similar to their San Antonio trip, also placed horribly: tying for 54th place, scoring a 75.80, right at 8.5 points outside of Semis. They did manage to pop up a 43rd place in Visual GE, but every other sub caption placed in the 50s or 60s. I need to follow our Utah bands better - I don't really know what changed, but it is worth noting that they are very much a different band post-Covid, and would probably fare immensely better returning to either San Antonio or GN. Edited since my fuzzy memory on the scores was bothering me so I went back and looked: they were much more inconsistent pre-Covid. Again, I don't know what changed, but something sure did, it's only been post-Covid that they've been medaling - mostly in the bottom half of St George Finals for years before that, and, hell, the year they placed so low on their trip to San Antonio (2019), they didn't even make Finals, placing 18th at St George Prelims that year. So, obviously they are a very different band attending GN next year than even 4 short years ago. Primarily what changed is new band directors and more stability in directors at some of these schools, Westlake included. These Utah schools see how close American Fork has been to finals, and it doesn't seem untouchable anymore, so there's a lot more motivation, and the Utah population is booming. Also a lot of former American Fork students are now staffing at other Utah schools, and they want nothing more than to beat their alma mater. Anyway, back on topic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like there are already 7 bands going to Grand Nats next year who have made finals in the past two years. And we're not even 48 hours removed from finals retreat. It's going to be a great year. There’s definitely been a huge push since COVID for all of Utah’s top programs, and they’re all getting better every year I’d say. And to back that up, the competition in our 6A Open division was very tight at times this year. American Fork only swept 3 times at UMEA competitions out of 7, and I’ve noticed growth in AF as well this year. (Granted, they were not there for one of the competitions because they went to flagstaff) |
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Post by 4score on Nov 14, 2023 10:10:42 GMT -6
With the structure changes to UIL will we see less consistency about when the TX heavy-hitters will attend? I wonder if could even out a little more or if just more will go?
Could we see half the bands in the finals being from TX for the foreseeable future?
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Post by yayband914 on Nov 14, 2023 10:16:12 GMT -6
With the structure changes to UIL will we see less consistency about when the TX heavy-hitters will attend? I wonder if could even out a little more or if just more will go? Could we see half the bands in the finals being from TX for the foreseeable future? I have conflicting feelings about a Texas invasion at Grand Nats, but I don’t want to get yelled at, so I’ll just leave it alone. 🫣 |
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