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Post by aiden on Sept 6, 2024 17:42:13 GMT -6
Is there any information on Lebanon this year for msba? We were at a football game a couple weeks in Lebanon. The band was bad (4A) A week later the word through the Grapevine is their director got let go for embezzlement and now they had to start completely over with a new halftime show last week. I just looked and it looks like they are still on the schedule except for Kings.They seem to be still trying to make the season happen. Is that even possible? Their former marching band director that still works in the district but wasn't working with the marching band anymore has stepped back into the high school director role, both with the marching band and their concert bands during school. They have started over on a brand new show and are still attempting to compete at some events later in the season. I have no idea what exactly happened with the current (former?) director. probably some type of legal repercussions since embezzlement is a crime
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 7, 2024 0:12:59 GMT -6
Now that we have schedules or at least rosters for all BOA, OMEA, and MSBA event for the first three competitive weeks (Sep. 7, 14, and 21), I was curious about which of the 202 bands who competed in 2023 will not have competed by the third week of 2024. Here in alphabetical order are the 27 bands I count in that situation: Bellefontaine, Bethel, Big Walnut, Fairborn, Greenon, Greenville, Groveport Madison, Indian Valley, Lebanon, Lexington, Liberty Benton, Loveland, Marietta, Maumee, Meigs, Mentor, National Trail, Northwest (Canal Fulton), River Valley, Rossford, Sycamore, Sylvania Southview, Talawanda, Union Local, William Mason, Williamsburg, and Willoughby South. (Possibly I have overlooked an appearance by one or more of these ensembles.) That seems like a lot so far into the season, but Labor Day came early this year, and some of these bands do have a history of not appearing until the end of September (or later), when a number of these groups will indeed make their debut this year.
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Post by hewhowaits on Sept 7, 2024 5:03:39 GMT -6
Now that we have schedules or at least rosters for all BOA, OMEA, and MSBA event for the first three competitive weeks (Sep. 7, 14, and 21), I was curious about which of the 202 bands who competed in 2023 will not have competed by the third week of 2024. Here in alphabetical order are the 27 bands I count in that situation: Bellefontaine, Bethel, Big Walnut, Fairborn, Greenon, Greenville, Groveport Madison, Indian Valley, Lebanon, Lexington, Liberty Benton, Loveland, Marietta, Maumee, Meigs, Mentor, National Trail, Northwest (Canal Fulton), River Valley, Rossford, Sycamore, Sylvania Southview, Talawanda, Union Local, William Mason, Williamsburg, and Willoughby South. (Possibly I have overlooked an appearance by one or more of these ensembles.) That seems like a lot so far into the season, but Labor Day came early this year, and some of these bands do have a history of not appearing until the end of September (or later), when a number of these groups will indeed make their debut this year. Mason opens their competition season on October 5 at Springboro MSBA.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 7, 2024 8:21:08 GMT -6
Now that we have schedules or at least rosters for all BOA, OMEA, and MSBA event for the first three competitive weeks (Sep. 7, 14, and 21), I was curious about which of the 202 bands who competed in 2023 will not have competed by the third week of 2024. Here in alphabetical order are the 27 bands I count in that situation: Bellefontaine, Bethel, Big Walnut, Fairborn, Greenon, Greenville, Groveport Madison, Indian Valley, Lebanon, Lexington, Liberty Benton, Loveland, Marietta, Maumee, Meigs, Mentor, National Trail, Northwest (Canal Fulton), River Valley, Rossford, Sycamore, Sylvania Southview, Talawanda, Union Local, William Mason, Williamsburg, and Willoughby South. (Possibly I have overlooked an appearance by one or more of these ensembles.) That seems like a lot so far into the season, but Labor Day came early this year, and some of these bands do have a history of not appearing until the end of September (or later), when a number of these groups will indeed make their debut this year. I think I can update a few of these Mason - competing 10/5 at Springboro MSBA as mentioned Bellefontaine - no longer competing Sycamore, Bethel, and Greenville - competing 9/28 at Northwestern Fairborn, Greenon, Loveland, and Talawanda - competing 9/28 at Lebanon MSBA Mentor and Willoughby South - competing 9/28 at Avon Lake Maumee and Rossford - competing 9/28 at Springfield Northwest - competing 9/28 at Valley Big Walnut - competing 9/28 at Watkins Memorial
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Post by neop on Sept 7, 2024 9:47:04 GMT -6
I think I can update a few of these Mason - competing 10/5 at Springboro MSBA as mentioned Bellefontaine - no longer competing Sycamore, Bethel, and Greenville - competing 9/28 at Northwestern Fairborn, Greenon, Loveland, and Talawanda - competing 9/28 at Lebanon MSBA Mentor and Willoughby South - competing 9/28 at Avon Lake Maumee and Rossford - competing 9/28 at Springfield Northwest - competing 9/28 at Valley Big Walnut - competing 9/28 at Watkins Memorial Are you able to confirm a full schedule for Lebanon? Or at least an attendance list? I’d like to figure out whether I will go or not
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 7, 2024 10:01:39 GMT -6
Are you able to confirm a full schedule for Lebanon? Or at least an attendance list? I’d like to figure out whether I will go or not Indian Hill - A Rising Sun - A Franklin - AA Grove City Christian - AA West Carrollton - AA William Henry Harrison - AA Fairborn - AAA Greenon - AAA Talawanda - AAA Loveland - AAAA Walter E Stebbins - AAAA Milford - AAAAA West Clermont - AAAAA
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Post by neop on Sept 7, 2024 22:57:17 GMT -6
I think they mixed up the visual and GE awards at the show, as Shawe Memorial was announced as winning GE but the recaps say it should have been Simon Kenton. The inverse happened with Simon Kenton being announced as winning Visual, but the recaps say it should have been Shawe Memorial.
For the lazy:
Class AA: 1. Shawe Memorial (V, P) 2. Simon Kenton (GE) 3. Northwest (M) 4. Franklin (A) 5. West Carrollton 6. Butler Traditional
Class AAA: 1. Archbishop Carroll (M, GE) - Class AA/AAA Grand Champion
2. Bellbrook (V, P, A) - Class AA/AAA Reserve Grand Champion
3. Deer Park 4. Colerain 5. Brookville
Class AAAA: 1. Northmont (V, GE, P, A)
2. Springboro (M)
3. Olentangy 4. Finneytown
Class AAAAA: 1. Centerville (M, V, GE, P, A) - Class AAAA/AAAAA Grand Champion
2. Fairfield - Class AAAA/AAAAA Reserve Grand Champion
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Post by neop on Sept 7, 2024 23:25:16 GMT -6
Collection of details from OMEA shows tonight that I could find:
Licking Heights: Central Crossing won best Auxiliary and Percussion awards in class AA, as well as best overall Visual, General Effect, and Music awards. They placed 1st in class AA, and were named Grand Champion. They also received a rating of I, officially qualifying for state. Teays Valley won best Visual and 1st place in class A. They also received a rating of I, officially qualifying for state. Licking Valley placed 3rd in class B and received a rating of II. Marion Local won best Auxiliary and Percussion awards in class C. They placed in class C and received a rating of II.
Troy: Newton was declared Grand Champion. Carlisle won best Visual in class B. Valley View won best Percussion in class B. Tecumseh won best Auxiliary in class B. Fort Recovery won best Auxiliary in class C.
Philo: Meadowbrook received a rating of II.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 7, 2024 23:52:53 GMT -6
Now that we have schedules or at least rosters for all BOA, OMEA, and MSBA event for the first three competitive weeks (Sep. 7, 14, and 21), I was curious about which of the 202 bands who competed in 2023 will not have competed by the third week of 2024. Here in alphabetical order are the 27 bands I count in that situation: Bellefontaine, Bethel, Big Walnut, Fairborn, Greenon, Greenville, Groveport Madison, Indian Valley, Lebanon, Lexington, Liberty Benton, Loveland, Marietta, Maumee, Meigs, Mentor, National Trail, Northwest (Canal Fulton), River Valley, Rossford, Sycamore, Sylvania Southview, Talawanda, Union Local, William Mason, Williamsburg, and Willoughby South. (Possibly I have overlooked an appearance by one or more of these ensembles.) That seems like a lot so far into the season, but Labor Day came early this year, and some of these bands do have a history of not appearing until the end of September (or later), when a number of these groups will indeed make their debut this year. Mason opens their competition season on October 5 at Springboro MSBA. I think I can update a few of these: Mason -- competing 10/5 at Springboro MSBA as mentioned Bellefontaine -- no longer competing Sycamore, Bethel, and Greenville -- competing 9/28 at Northwestern Fairborn, Greenon, Loveland, and Talawanda -- competing 9/28 at Lebanon MSBA Mentor and Willoughby South -- competing 9/28 at Avon Lake Maumee and Rossford -- competing 9/28 at Springfield Northwest -- competing 9/28 at Valley Big Walnut -- competing 9/28 at Watkins Memorial Thanks very much to both of you. To those, I can add that Lexington and Indian Valley will compete on 9/28 at Revere. Groveport Madison has two competitions, not yet identified, on their band calendar: 10/12 and 10/19. Liberty Benton opens their season at Springfield on 9/28 (and has two more confirmed and one tentative competition dates on their calendar). And Sylvania Southview will debut this year on 10/5 at Columbus Grove (their show is "Sailing Through the Storm"). So from my list, that leaves dates missing for just Marietta,* Meigs,** National Trail, Canal Fulton Northwest,*** Bidwell River Valley, Union Local, and Williamsburg.**** *Marietta (who qualified for state finals last year and in my opinion was close to getting a Superior there) is hosting their long-running show on Oct. 12. **Meigs (who last year got their first Superior in a long time) is competing this year; their show is titled "The Connection." ***The band at Valley on 9/28 is surely McDermott Northwest. And of course there's also Cincinnati Northwest. Both already accounted for. But Canal Fulton Northwest, who hadn't before competed for years (if ever), did compete in one show last year. ****Williamsburg definitely has a competition show this year, titled "Breakout." Sorry to hear about Bellefontaine. They were just a couple points from qualifying for state finals the past two years, and they'd made it to state a few times in the past decade. They didn't compete in 2021 and yet returned to competition in 2022-23, so I hope they'll reconsider after this year. In addition to what you mentioned, I would love to know Marion Local’s thought process for attending the Licking Heights show, which is 112 miles from their school, vs. the Troy show, which is 41 miles from their school. That is a long way to go for such an early season show. Is it really just to get first in class? I can’t imagine that would be the case. And the answer is: judge shopping.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 8, 2024 0:16:06 GMT -6
Collection of details from OMEA shows tonight that I could find: Licking Heights:Central Crossing won best Auxiliary and Percussion awards in class AA, as well as best overall Visual, General Effect, and Music awards. They placed 1st in class AA, and were named Grand Champion. They also received a rating of I, officially qualifying for state. Teays Valley won best Visual and 1st place in class A. They also received a rating of I, officially qualifying for state. Licking Valley placed 3rd in class B and received a rating of II. Marion Local won best Auxiliary and Percussion awards in class C. They placed in class C and received a rating of II. I was there. This is what was announced (which does not agree in all points with what you've found online): Class C1. Marion Local -- also percussion & auxiliary Class B1. Black River 2. Logan Elm 3. Licking Valley 4. Heath -- also percussion & auxiliary Class A1. Teays Valley 2. Norton -- also percussion & auxiliary 3. Canal Winchester Class AA1. Central Crossing -- also percussion & auxiliary 2. Newark OverallGeneral Effect -- Central Crossing Music -- NewarkVisual -- Teays Valley Auxiliary -- Central Crossing Percussion -- Central Crossing Grand Champion -- Central Crossing Bands Qualifying for OMEA State Finals -- Teays Valley, Central Crossing, Licking Heights (The judges agreed with me about which three bands should qualify, the grand champion (which was not necessarily the best band), the order in Classes AA and A, and the fourth place Class B band. I had a different order for the top three Class B bands, and after initially scoring Marion Local a 70, i.e., a II, which you indicate they got, I bumped them down a point to 69, i.e., a III because I wanted to give Heath a 70. I hope to have a longer review up tomorrow. There were no stinkers, in my opinion, even if some bands have a lot more to add -- ahem, Norton -- and/or a lot to clean: every group here is likely to qualify for state finals at some point this year.) Edited, having not yet found time to finish up a proper summary of this show, to note just my personal ranking: 1. Licking Heights; 2. Central Crossing; 3. Teays Valley; --- I/II cut-off --- 4. Newark; 5. Norton; 6. Canal Winchester; 7. Logan Elm; 8. Licking Valley; 9. Black River; 10. Heath --- II/III cut-off --- 11. Marion Local.
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Post by neop on Sept 8, 2024 0:18:36 GMT -6
I was there. This is what was announced (which does not agree in all points with what you've found online): Class C1. Newton -- also percussion & auxiliary You may have been there, but Newton certainly was not
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 8, 2024 0:19:13 GMT -6
I was there. This is what was announced (which does not agree in all points with what you've found online): Class C1. Newton -- also percussion & auxiliary You may have been there, but Newton certainly was not Fixed!
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Post by neop on Sept 8, 2024 0:24:48 GMT -6
So from my list, that leaves dates missing for just Marietta,* Meigs,** National Trail, Canal Fulton Northwest,*** Bidwell River Valley, Union Local, and Williamsburg.**** ***The band at Valley on 9/28 is surely McDermott Northwest. (And of course there's also Cincinnati Northwest. Both already accounted for. But Canal Fulton Northwest, who hadn't before competed for years (if ever), did compete in one show last year. I am struggling right now to find out where my source for this was, but I have written down that Canal Fulton Northwest is attending two shows this year: Norton on 10/5 and New Philadelphia on 10/19. Might have been buried on their Facebook somewhere earlier this year. I will keep looking.
Edit: I have found their Facebook post announcing their 2024 competition show "Channel Surfing."
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Post by neop on Sept 8, 2024 0:50:06 GMT -6
Also, this technically doesn't fit the Ohio thread, but since this is MSBA I'll put it here: Simon Kenton completely confounded me with their music selections, which included Britney Spears, Vivaldi, Metallica, Billie Eilish, and Tchaikovsky in that order. They were not the only band to play Billie Eilish, as West Carrollton has modeled an entire show after one of her songs.
Also also, it may make some nerds happy to know that Olentangy's show is entirely about the Legend of Zelda series of video games.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 8, 2024 1:18:00 GMT -6
I'll see your Simon Kenton and raise you Canal Winchester: Johannes Brahms, Taylor Swift, Bobby McFerrin, Modest Mussorgsky, and Metallica. The 500 years of musical history at Licking Heights tonight also included a recorder quartet playing Michael Praetorius and this TV theme song: Although those were in two different shows.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 8, 2024 13:57:49 GMT -6
OMEA Licking Heights 9/7
Class AA
1. Central Crossing 81.3 (I) 2. Newark 80.1 (II) Ex Licking Heights (I)
Class A
1. Teays Valley 80.02 (I) 2. Norton 76.75 (II) 3. Canal Winchester 75.79 (II)
Class B
1. Black River 75.4 (II) 2. Logan Elm 75.1 (II) 3. Licking Valley 72.5 (II) 4. Heath 71.0 (II)
Class C
1. Marion Local 72.9 (II)
OMEA Troy 9/7
Class AA
Ex Troy (II)
Class A
1. Newton 76.9 (II) 2. Tippecanoe 70.0 (II)
Class B
1. Carlisle 73.66 (II) 2. Valley View 70.2 (II) 3. Tecumseh 69.4 (III)
Class C
1. Arcanum 73.8 (II) 2. Ada 72.52 (II) 3. Columbus Grove 69.84 (III) 4. Fort Recovery 68.24 (III) 5. Mississinawa Valley 61.32 (III)
OMEA Philo 9/7 (Ratings Only)
Class A - Warren (II) Class B - Coshocton, Highland, Meadowbrook (all II) Class C - Philo (II), Fairfield Christian (III)
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 9, 2024 0:08:09 GMT -6
The schedule for Rock Hill on Sep. 14 has been posted on OMEA's calendar ... The schedule for the University of Akron on Sep. 21 has been posted on OMEA's calendar ... The schedule for Portsmouth West on Sep. 21 is not yet posted on OMEA's calendar. I can tell you the band lineup for the Portsmouth West show (no idea about performance order or times) Minford (B) - Portsmouth West (B) - Northwest (B) - Gallia Academy (B) - Spring Valley WV (A) - South Point (A) - Portsmouth (C) Thanks again for that list. And now the schedule for the Portsmouth West competition on Sep. 21 has been posted. One more band has joined the lineup: 5:00 p.m. -- Green (C) 5:15 p.m. -- Portsmouth (C) * 5:30 p.m. -- Gallia Academy (B) 5:45 p.m. -- Minford (B) (break 6:00 p.m.)6:45 p.m. -- Northwest (B) ** 7:00 p.m. -- Spring Valley [WV] (A) 7:15 p.m. -- South Point (A) 7:35 p.m. -- Portsmouth West (B/ratings only) *Portsmouth (as opposed to Portsmouth West) has been an irregular participant in OMEA competitions over the past decade. **As previously discussed, this is presumably the Northwest H.S. from McDermott in Scioto County. - - - - - - - - - - Schedules are starting to come out for OMEA shows on 9/14 and 9/21 ... Logan Elm 9/14:... Logan Elm (B) - Host <- Strangely appears to be performing in the middle of the schedule at their own show, when they would typically go last ... Logan Elm did the same thing at their home show last year (I was there). Even though they won't be ranked, I think they want to appear nearest the bands in their class in order for the judges not to have their mental scores affected by the performance of the A and AA bands that follow. (Perhaps modeled on how OMEA schedules each block of state finals bands in ascending order by class.) Although last year at Logan Elm, a Class C band ended up going on last: Valley, because they had bus trouble. An interesting update: as per this video posted last week by OMEA, bands will have the option of requesting times within each block regardless of class -- subject to requests previously made -- so a Class C band that qualifies early in the season could ask to go on at the end of their block, i.e., after the A or AA bands in that block. I'm very curious to see if anybody does that, both to see if it seems to affect the results and for how it plays with the audience. - - - - - - - - - - Random historical OMEA musing: what are the highest scores ever earned at OMEA events? I would love to know, for instance, what Northmont received for this performance at New Bremen on Oct. 4, 2000. They would go on to place eighth at Grand Nationals that year. Only the early date makes me second guess my impression that it must have been above 290.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 9, 2024 8:27:10 GMT -6
- - - - - - - - - - Random historical OMEA musing: what are the highest scores ever earned at OMEA events? I would love to know, for instance, what Northmont received for this performance at New Bremen on Oct. 4, 2000. They would go on to place eighth at Grand Nationals that year. Only the early date makes me second guess my impression that it must have been above 290. To my knowledge, the highest placing Grand National band to perform at an OMEA event in recent times is 2019 Mason, who performed September 28, 2019 at Ohio State and then eventually finished 7th at Grand Nationals. At that show, Mason scored a 283 (out 0f 300). For comparison's sake, Grove City was second that day with a 274 (the same year GC finished 5th in Music Performance Individual at the Indy Super Regional) and Miamisburg was third with a 267 (the same year Miamisburg won the prelim round in AA at Grand Nationals and eventually finished third in semis). I have no idea how Northmont would have done at that show back in 2000.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 9, 2024 14:55:00 GMT -6
- - - - - - - - - - Random historical OMEA musing: what are the highest scores ever earned at OMEA events? I would love to know, for instance, what Northmont received for this performance at New Bremen on Oct. 4, 2000. They would go on to place eighth at Grand Nationals that year. Only the early date makes me second guess my impression that it must have been above 290. To my knowledge, the highest placing Grand National band to perform at an OMEA event in recent times is 2019 Mason, who performed September 28, 2019 at Ohio State and then eventually finished 7th at Grand Nationals. At that show, Mason scored a 283 (out 0f 300). For comparison's sake, Grove City was second that day with a 274 (the same year GC finished 5th in Music Performance Individual at the Indy Super Regional) and Miamisburg was third with a 267 (the same year Miamisburg won the prelim round in AA at Grand Nationals and eventually finished third in semis). I have no idea how Northmont would have done at that show back in 2000. Thanks! And you had been kind enough to share those 2019 OSU scores here at some point in the last year or so. Once, some time ago, I remember someone else telling me that he remembered high scores on the final weekend in the late 1990s or early 2000s being in the range of 295. There's an argument to be made that a direct comparison between pre-pandemic and post-pandemic scores isn't possible, because not only did OMEA change the maximum possible points from 300 to 100, but they also changed the number of judges whose scoring counts to that total from seven to five. It used to be two general effect (100 points), two visual (100 points), two music (90 points), and one percussion (10 points). Now it's two general effect (40 points), two music (40 points), and one visual (20 points). But I'm doing it anyway: 295 out of 300 would be 98.3 out of 100. Mason's 283 out of 300 would be 94.3 out of 100. (That year the OSU show was relatively early in the season. I'm sure they'd score notably higher later.) I believe Grove City scored in the range of 280-281 at OSU in 2015 and 2017 (the latter would be 93.7). Reportedly, Dublin Coffman's highest ever score on that scale was in that range, and Dublin Jerome likewise got that score in 2018, 'tis said. Lakota West received their highest ever score at Springfield Shawnee in 2014, but I've never heard what that was. Last year, you noted that Grove City scored 96.45 on the last weekend at New Philadelphia. I think that's the highest score issued in the past three years. That works out to 289.35 out of 300.
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Post by statechamp1239 on Sept 9, 2024 16:53:17 GMT -6
Possibly of greatest interest is the second-last page, which reads as follows: What is the classification for Class AA in OMEA?
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 9, 2024 17:14:57 GMT -6
Possibly of greatest interest is the second-last page, which reads as follows: What is the classification for Class AA in OMEA? You probably noticed this, but for those just seeing your post and not the one you're quoting: that's a program from a 1985 competition, when there were only three classes. They added Class AA the next year. I don't know what the cutoffs (cuts-off?) were in 1986, but now, they are as follows, based (as in BOA) on enrollment in grades 10-12: Class C -- 1-300 Class B -- 301-500 Class A -- 501-900 Class AA -- 901 or more And points are no longer (directly) relevant to state finals qualification. Since the late 1980s, that's based on ratings not scores, which now means that a band needs three of five judges to award them a Superior rating (i.e., 80% = 16 out of 20 possible points each) and the other two judges not to award them less than an Excellent rating (i.e., 70% = 14 out of 20 points each). (So a band qualifying for state finals could score as low as 76 (= (16 x 3) + (14 x 2)) and a band not qualifying for state could score as high as 87.7 (= (20 x 2) + (15.9 x 3)). Theoretically.)
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 9, 2024 18:34:51 GMT -6
Collection of details from OMEA shows tonight that I could find ... Troy: Newton was declared Grand Champion. ... Philo: Meadowbrook received a rating of II. ... OMEA Troy 9/7Class AA -- Ex Troy (II) Class A -- 1. Newton 76.9 (II)... Class B -- 1. Carlisle 73.66 (II)... Class C -- 1. Arcanum 73.8 (II) ... OMEA Philo 9/7 (Ratings Only)Class A - Warren (II) Class B - Coshocton, Highland, Meadowbrook (all II) Class C - Philo (II), Fairfield Christian (III) At the end of those two competitions, I wonder: did they just skip the usual "the following bands have qualified for state finals today" announcement? Or did they specifically announce that no bands had done so? Every time I've been to Cloverleaf, at least one band has qualified. I've only once attended a local OMEA competition where no bands qualified for state finals: Teays Valley in 2015. That was a midseason event, an evening contest on a grass field after it had rained all day. Over in Dayton that day, the BOA regional was called after Prelims (even on the artificial surface at Welcome Stadium). I was in Columbus for the Buckeye Invitational, where the show went on all day without regard to the weather. But for some reason, the schedule there was lighter than it has been in recent years, ending around 8 p.m. or so, which gave me time to drive down to Ashville to catch the last four or five bands there. The rain was finally coming to an end, but what I found is that the first few bands had turned the soaked field into a mud pit -- straw had been spread on the field to give some traction, but to no avail -- so the rest were just doing musical performances from the track. Grove City played in both events, so I got to see them on the field at OSU (where, I later heard, they took the top score) and then see them on the track at Teays for a wonderful aural immersion. But they and the other top bands there weren't judged. Placements by class and caption awards were announced for the bands who had played on the field -- one Class C, four Class B, and three of four Class A bands -- with Franklin Heights named as the grand champion, but nobody got a Superior rating. That wasn't explicitly announced. Instead, after the grand champion was named, the announcer said something like, "That's all. Thanks for attending and drive home safe." I think in those sloppy circumstances, everybody understood. But I have also attended competitions where the announcer forgot to announce the state finalists and started wishing people a good night until the angry roar of the crowd led to him realizing his oversight.
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Post by neop on Sept 9, 2024 20:24:20 GMT -6
(So a band qualifying for state finals could score as low as 76 (= (16 x 3) + (14 x 2)) and a band not qualifying for state could score as high as 87.7 (= (20 x 2) + (15.9 x 3)). Theoretically.) As an addendum, for a rough cutoff guideline, most bands who score at least 80 will qualify for state with that performance. I can only think of one band who scored an 80 or higher and did not eventually qualify for state: Chesapeake scored an 80.92 at the 2022 Buckeye Invitational but was given an Excellent (II) rating overall. They would go on to earn another Excellent (II) rating at the Lancaster show the following weekend and did not go to state. When I am looking at early season scores to try and see who is going to qualify for state, I feel that most bands that score a 71-73 during the first two weeks will eventually qualify for state, typically cutting it close on the final weekend. The largest outlier I can think of is 2021 Lynchburg-Clay, who scored a 65.09 with penalties at the Wilmington show during the second week of the season. These penalties brought their overall rating down from Good (III) to Fair (IV). They eventually qualified for state during the last weekend of the season at Dawson-Bryant (mind you, under the rough cutoff of 80 I mentioned above: they scored a 79.06), and managed to get a Superior (I) rating overall at state. This is the only band I know of to receive a Fair rating at a local OMEA contest and still eventually qualify for state at all, let alone earn a Superior there. The sample size is low, though, as I'm only aware of 9 Fair (IV) ratings given since COVID, with none coming last season. I find that the lower ratings tend to happen at the same times as other statistical anomalies. Back during the fourth week of the 2021 season, Northeastern earned both an Excellent (II) at an afternoon competition and a Fair (IV) rating at a night competition on the same day. Their scores for these two shows weren't that close together (67.06 vs. 62.9, which probably indicates its own inconsistency issue), and I'm sure penalties were involved with their afternoon competition being rated Fair (IV), so I can't help but feel such a situation would only serve to confuse the band rather than help it improve. Those two ratings are supposed to indicate vastly different qualities of performance. I feel a similar way when I see bands over the course of OMEA's history earning Good (III) ratings at state. That in conjunction with the Superior (I) rating that earned them their state performance in the first place are kind of mixed messages, don't you think?
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Post by aiden on Sept 9, 2024 22:32:31 GMT -6
Are there scores lower than an IV?
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 9, 2024 23:15:37 GMT -6
Are there scores lower than an IV? I = 80-100 (Superior) II = 70-79.9 (Excellent) III = 60-69.9 (Good) IV = 50-59.9 (Fair) V = 0-49.9 (Poor)
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Post by aiden on Sept 10, 2024 6:13:31 GMT -6
Are there scores lower than an IV? I = 80-100 (Superior) II = 70-79.9 (Excellent) III = 60-69.9 (Good) IV = 50-59.9 (Fair) V = 0-49.9 (Poor) has anyone gotten a V in the past?
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 10, 2024 7:42:08 GMT -6
I = 80-100 (Superior) II = 70-79.9 (Excellent) III = 60-69.9 (Good) IV = 50-59.9 (Fair) V = 0-49.9 (Poor) has anyone gotten a V in the past? Yes, but to my knowledge, only as a result of a penalty. OMEA used to penalize bands for being under time (it used to be 7:00, now it's 6:00) as early as the first week. The penalty is one rating lower. So I have seen bands earn an overall IV, and then a timing penalty lowered it to V. OMEA changed its policy a few years ago and no longer issues timing penalties the first couple of weeks of the season. However, while a band can earn a superior rating (I) if they have less than 6:00 on the field, they cannot qualify for State Finals.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Sept 10, 2024 10:20:48 GMT -6
has anyone gotten a V in the past? Yes, but to my knowledge, only as a result of a penalty. OMEA used to penalize bands for being under time (it used to be 7:00, now it's 6:00) as early as the first week. The penalty is one rating lower. So I have seen bands earn an overall IV, and then a timing penalty lowered it to V. OMEA changed its policy a few years ago and no longer issues timing penalties the first couple of weeks of the season. However, while a band can earn a superior rating (I) if they have less than 6:00 on the field, they cannot qualify for State Finals. Thank you for clarifying that recent update. I noticed last year at Cloverleaf that before they listed those bands who had qualified for state finals, a very specific announcement was made to that effect. I thought it was just a convoluted way of explaining the penalty drop, but then when you shared the scores for that event, it turned out that the band with the under-time program didn't earn a Superior anyway, so the rule didn't matter. There was no such announcement Saturday at Licking Heights, but there was a band well under time whose performance seemed almost good enough to qualify otherwise. I put them down for "79, but penalty". The judges scored them a few points less than that. I think I was giving them some credit for what their show would have been scored had it been at least six minutes long, but that's not actually how I've thought of this situation in the past, and if the judges scored them less because there wasn't enough content to effectively judge, kudos to them.
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Post by ohioguy2 on Sept 10, 2024 10:39:08 GMT -6
Yes, but to my knowledge, only as a result of a penalty. OMEA used to penalize bands for being under time (it used to be 7:00, now it's 6:00) as early as the first week. The penalty is one rating lower. So I have seen bands earn an overall IV, and then a timing penalty lowered it to V. OMEA changed its policy a few years ago and no longer issues timing penalties the first couple of weeks of the season. However, while a band can earn a superior rating (I) if they have less than 6:00 on the field, they cannot qualify for State Finals. Thank you for clarifying that recent update. I noticed last year at Cloverleaf that before they listed those bands who had qualified for state finals, a very specific announcement was made to that effect. I thought it was just a convoluted way of explaining the penalty drop, but then when you shared the scores for that event, it turned out that the band with the under-time program didn't earn a Superior anyway, so the rule didn't matter. There was no such announcement Saturday at Licking Heights, but there was a band well under time whose performance seemed almost good enough to qualify otherwise. I put them down for "79, but penalty". The judges scored them a few points less than that. I think I was giving them some credit for what their show would have been scored had it been at least six minutes long, but that's not actually how I've thought of this situation in the past, and if the judges scored them less because there wasn't enough content to effectively judge, kudos to them. I know it occurred at least once last year, as Beavercreek received a superior rating and very solid 83.2 at the Hilliard Bradley show Week 1. They received Grand Champion but did not qualify for state because their show was not 6 minutes long.
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Post by neop on Sept 11, 2024 16:57:21 GMT -6
So from my list, that leaves dates missing for just Marietta,* Meigs,** National Trail, Canal Fulton Northwest,*** Bidwell River Valley, Union Local, and Williamsburg.**** ***The band at Valley on 9/28 is surely McDermott Northwest. (And of course there's also Cincinnati Northwest. Both already accounted for. But Canal Fulton Northwest, who hadn't before competed for years (if ever), did compete in one show last year. I am struggling right now to find out where my source for this was, but I have written down that Canal Fulton Northwest is attending two shows this year: Norton on 10/5 and New Philadelphia on 10/19. Might have been buried on their Facebook somewhere earlier this year. I will keep looking. Edit: I have found their Facebook post announcing their 2024 competition show "Channel Surfing."
I was given advance notice of who is attending the Norton show. I can now confirm that Canal Fulton Northwest WILL NOT be attending it. That being said, a Facebook post from the band on Monday refers to performing a competition show, so I think they're still planning on competing, I am just not sure where. The lineup for Norton is as follows: Amherst Steele (AA) Mentor (AA) Nordonia (AA) North Royalton (AA) Norton (A) - Host Field (A) Firestone (A) Louisville (A) New Philadelphia (A) Norton (A) St. Edward (A) Willoughby South (A) Buckeye (B) Cloverleaf (B) Chippewa (C) Danbury (C) - Will they actually compete this time or will it be exhibition? Wellington (C)
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