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Post by das88 on Nov 17, 2024 0:02:09 GMT -6
Even with going on early, Homestead 15th! Fishers/Brownsburg 16/17. Hoping they come back stronger next season!! Castle dropped two spots from semi’s, and again nobody will convince me performance order doesn’t matter 😁. Love that Tarpon Springs did awesome at GN’s despite losing about 2 1/2 weeks of rehearsal time dealing with weather conditions hurricane destruction.
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Post by OHbandfan on Nov 17, 2024 0:02:59 GMT -6
Even with going in early, Homestead 15th! Fishers/Brownsburg 16/17. Hoping they come back stronger next season!! Castle dropped two spots from semi’s, and again nobody will convince me performance order doesn’t matter 😁. Love that Tarpon Springs did awesome at GN’s despite losing about 2 1/2 weeks of rehearsal time dealing with weather conditions hurricane destruction. I imagine them winning if they didn’t lose the time |
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Post by theverybarisax on Nov 17, 2024 0:04:29 GMT -6
I think they uploaded the wrong document for Friday Prelims, when you go to it you get the BOASA prelims scores.
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Post by dallasmavericks on Nov 17, 2024 0:05:20 GMT -6
Yeah these prelims results are crazy. I know it’s a subjective activity but you’d think bands would score fairly consistently across captions, at least within ~20 placements of each other.
Bridgeland - 43rd music ensemble, 18th OVR
American Fork - 26th visual ensemble, 8th OVR
Mustang - 51st visual ind, 15th visual ens, 31st OVR
Seems like panel 2 just threw darts for scores at some points. Panel 1 also had huge disparities between performance judges (Franklin, O’Fallon, Deer Creek) for example.
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Post by OHbandfan on Nov 17, 2024 0:05:39 GMT -6
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Post by neop on Nov 17, 2024 0:09:38 GMT -6
Looks like Norwood was not scored.
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Post by bigtrombone on Nov 17, 2024 0:10:51 GMT -6
I want to give huge props to Bartlett. Going from Next 8 & tying Arlington in semis last year, to making semis on score AND finishing in the Top 20 in a tougher field this year is an impressive feat. I believe we will be seeing big things from Bartlett in the future!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 17, 2024 0:13:17 GMT -6
Here in the stadium, it felt like Avon threw down only to have Tarpon pick it up. We’ll see soon. Well, I was half right. I see that Tarpon was second in Prelims, a half point behind Avon (on a different panel) and more than a half point ahead of Carmel and Broken Arrow (on the same panel). |
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Post by cybrunette on Nov 17, 2024 0:14:14 GMT -6
Wow Stoneman was 20th in music.. 29th in Vis.. & 44th in ge. unfortunate
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Post by ohbandie48 on Nov 17, 2024 0:20:51 GMT -6
Not that anyone cares, but looks like I did really well predicting Visual GE in Finals. Basically placed 100% correctly with the exception of 2 tiebreakers I couldn't decide on. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to judge Music GE though apparently...
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Post by jetliner on Nov 17, 2024 0:23:21 GMT -6
Is 32nd place the lowest placement Rose Parade invite?
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Post by bvillebanddad on Nov 17, 2024 0:28:16 GMT -6
Not that anyone cares, but looks like I did really well predicting Visual GE in Finals. Basically placed 100% correctly with the exception of 2 tiebreakers I couldn't decide on. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to judge Music GE though apparently... I score it as SE music (Specific Effect). Did it make me cry? Yes! Did it make me smile? Yes!! Did it bring me joy? Yes!!! My scores are highly unofficial though.😏 #MarchingBandFever |
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 17, 2024 0:48:46 GMT -6
😂 What a surprise! Bands of Indiana strikes again. The bias is so insulting that one wonders why so many bands don't go to Indy. This is why. Great performances by all but seriously, BOA just can't have anything other the Avon & Carmel. Even manufacturing a tie but breaks it for Carmel over BA. Mockery. 113 bands went. Jesus Christ. The recap only has 112 bands listed, did someone pull out? |
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Post by okcmatt on Nov 17, 2024 1:38:54 GMT -6
Avon and Carmel often take the top spots at Grand Nationals because they are very talented bands that are able to attend every year. You would see more variety in winners/medalists if every Avon/Carmel caliber band in the United States was able to attend every year, but most bands are limited to a 2, 3, or 4 year cycle, if they're lucky. Pair that with the fact that bands might end up with one of their weaker shows on a Grand Nationals year and you'll understand why things might seem more skewed towards bands closer to Indianapolis. What actual reason would MFA have to rig Grand Nationals?? "We hate money, forwarding children's musical education opportunities, and building a good reputation as an organization" said no one ever. Another factor is Avon and Carmel doesn’t have to spend $100,000 plus to travel to Indy. This money can be used in other resources for the band. |
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Post by neop on Nov 17, 2024 1:49:04 GMT -6
113 bands went. Jesus Christ. The recap only has 112 bands listed, did someone pull out? Norwood H.S., OH was not publicly scored. |
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Post by bongoboy on Nov 17, 2024 4:23:37 GMT -6
😂 What a surprise! Bands of Indiana strikes again. The bias is so insulting that one wonders why so many bands don't go to Indy. This is why. Great performances by all but seriously, BOA just can't have anything other the Avon & Carmel. Even manufacturing a tie but breaks it for Carmel over BA. Mockery. It’s not bias. It’s the benefit of getting to see what innovations other bands are doing each year and what judges are looking for in the top bands It’s the benefit of a school administration that has 100% buy in and a killer staff. It’s the benefit of your kids used to playing at this level and knowing what it takes to practice and win. Look, there is an advantage given to Indiana bands because of geography but Broken Arrow finds a way to win consistently. More important, there’s plenty of Indiana schools that don’t play at the caliber of Avon and Carmel. But bias is last on my list. |
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 17, 2024 6:05:17 GMT -6
Congrats Avon!! Second sweep in GN history? I haven't been good at my stats this weekend! Didn't Carmel get the first true sweep a few years back? Carmel “swept” in 2017 by winning Visual and GE outright and tying Music with Broken Arrow. In 2018, Carmel won all 3 captions outright. |
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Post by OldSchoolTrumpet on Nov 17, 2024 6:53:46 GMT -6
Jenks, O’Fallon and Homestead consistent in prelims and semis as the next 3 in of the bubble The semis gap between Homestead, Fishers, Brownsburg was ridiculously close! |
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Post by bullfrog1 on Nov 17, 2024 7:10:57 GMT -6
Just realized NEITHER Center Grove nor Centerville made Semis... How times have changed Centerville was in 42nd place. With a score of 82. Back in my day (old man voice) that score was enough to land you top 20. Just goes to show you how much bands continue to grow and how deep this prelims field was Kids, I’m old enough to remember when Centerville always made finals at GN and Marian Catholic was the consistent dominating band. |
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 17, 2024 7:29:38 GMT -6
Congrats to Avon on Grand National Title number 5!
- This was Avon's 22nd appearance in GN Finals. They again took an ol'shool classic (Russian Christmas Music) and modernized it. I loved it! What an incredible show and performance. They had some amazingly complex and well executed visuals as well. I believe this was the 11th time they have won (or tied) for visual performance in GN Finals. They have finished in the top three in every GN Finals since 2007.
- This was Carmel's 28th GN Finals appearance. Only Marian has appeared in GN Finals more times. Carmel has appeared in every GN Finals since 1996. I absolutely loved their music again. No surprise they were first with both music effect judges.
- This was Broken Arrow's 18th GN Finals appearance. They delivered a powerful show here at nationals. Even though it was a loss to two great bands, if BA having finished 2nd in their last two regional finals appearances had some wondering if the program was slipping, they put any talk of that to rest yesterday. What I saw last night was pure top notch Broken Arrow.
- This was Tarpon Spring's 15th GN Finals appearance. It seems almost unimaginable that this band lost a whole week (or more) of practice in October due to a hurricane. One can only imagine what they would have done had they not lost some of that mid season practice time.
- This was Cedar Park's 3rd GN Finals appearance. 5th place continues to be their top placement in finals. However, I think this may have been the best performance Cedar Park has put forth on the field. What I really liked was that they appeared in the coveted top six placements heading into finals, with 5 very big name power house bands. Their performance in finals showed everyone that yes, they belong in that top 6.
- This was William Mason's 12th GN Finals appearance. This was a show that I thought on paper may be a bit kitschy, but it turned out not to be. I really liked it, the quality of the music, the energy. It was a very enjoyable show and really fit Mason's style.
- This was Bridgeland's first ever GN Finals appearance. They certainly made a moment out of it. What a fantastic performance.
- This was American Fork's 2nd GN Finals appearance, 29 years after their first. This is the longest gap between finals appearances in BOA history. What I loved about them was that you could kind of tell that they were soaking every minute of that performance up because this band has been working for a long time to get back into GN Finals. Their performance was just amazing. I have not seen all the west coast performances, but that had to have been the best performance of any band from west of the Rockies this season. And yes, 8th is their highest finish at Grand Nationals.
- This was Castle's 4th GN Finals appearance. I really like this show. For many years Castle has been one of my favorites from a visual standpoint. That was again the cast this year.
- This was Dobyns-Bennett's 6th GN Finals appearance. They are now the Tennessee band with the most GN Finals appearances, surpassing McGavock. I also must say that I loved the visuals with this show.
- This was Prosper's 3rd GN Finals appearance. They have finished 11th in all three appearances. To me, Prosper is one of these great Texas bands that may get lost in the shuffle of the Texas competitions because of all the strong Texas bands. For several years now, Prosper has been among my favorite of shows from Texas and this was no different.
- This was Leander's 4th GN Finals appearance. Thanks to one cherished member on these forums, we all know and love this band. Leander really showcased the depth of great Texas bands. The failed to make Finals at San Antonio, but they delivered at Grand Nationals. I was very happy to see them in finals.
- In exhibition as Class A champ, Murray gave a strong performance. This was their 3rd BOA GN Class A title. And Yes, way back they did win the 1977 Grand National Title as a Class A band (Sylva-Webster in 1979 was the only other Class A band to do so). Does Kentucky have some amazing small school band programs or what? This was the 20th BOA GN Class A Title for a Kentucky band.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 17, 2024 7:40:58 GMT -6
AMERICAN FORK BROKE their finalist record score and placement. Congrats! What a fantastic program! AF broke their placement record as soon as they qualified for a 12 band finals. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 17, 2024 7:43:28 GMT -6
Would love for Carmel and Avon to come down to SASR on a rotation! If grand nats really is harder, why not add some hardware and get more comments? Because their state finals are the same weekend. Will Texas bands skip UIL SMBC to go to a BOA event out of state? Didn't think so. |
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Post by bandrock on Nov 17, 2024 7:44:10 GMT -6
Avon and Carmel often take the top spots at Grand Nationals because they are very talented bands that are able to attend every year. You would see more variety in winners/medalists if every Avon/Carmel caliber band in the United States was able to attend every year, but most bands are limited to a 2, 3, or 4 year cycle, if they're lucky. Pair that with the fact that bands might end up with one of their weaker shows on a Grand Nationals year and you'll understand why things might seem more skewed towards bands closer to Indianapolis. What actual reason would MFA have to rig Grand Nationals?? "We hate money, forwarding children's musical education opportunities, and building a good reputation as an organization" said no one ever. No reasonable person said it was rigged. The stuff you mentioned does make it seem more like The Indianapolis Super Duper Regional than Grand Nats tho. |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 17, 2024 7:48:17 GMT -6
Jenison: 15th in Prelims, 26th in Semis. Wow. Panel 2 judges were out of numbers that would have properly reflected Jenison's prelims performance. All of them were boxed (Box5ed?) into giving Jenison a little bit higher or lower score than they would have preferred and all 7 gave them the bump up rather than down? |
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 17, 2024 7:48:45 GMT -6
81.475 in Prelims to a 75.65 in Semis... Beating every other A band considerably in prelims. I quit. See you next year, Dan. |
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 17, 2024 7:56:11 GMT -6
- This was American Fork's 2nd GN Finals appearance, 29 years after their first. This is the longest gap between finals appearances in BOA history. What I loved about them was that you could kind of tell that they were soaking every minute of that performance up because this band has been working for a long time to get back into GN Finals. Their performance was just amazing. I have not seen all the west coast performances, but that had to have been the best performance of any band from west of the Rockies this season. And yes, 8th is their highest finish at Grand Nationals. My favorite fun fact for this year … the last time American Fork made finals was the last time Carmel did ~not~ make finals. In 1995 (one year before I was born) American Fork was 14th out of 14 in finals, while Carmel was 18th in prelims. This was before a semifinals round was added. |
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Post by dbalash on Nov 17, 2024 8:04:43 GMT -6
Would love for Carmel and Avon to come down to SASR on a rotation! If grand nats really is harder, why not add some hardware and get more comments? Because their state finals are the same weekend. Will Texas bands skip UIL SMBC to go to a BOA event out of state? Didn't think so. Carmel has skipped ISSMA 3 or 4 times. |
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Post by okcmatt on Nov 17, 2024 8:10:57 GMT -6
Most bands from Prelim panel 1 ranked 10-30 received 1 to 5 points lower in the semis. This tells me that panel 1 was scoring higher on average vs panel 2.
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Post by hewhowaits on Nov 17, 2024 8:17:03 GMT -6
Because their state finals are the same weekend. Will Texas bands skip UIL SMBC to go to a BOA event out of state? Didn't think so. Carmel has skipped ISSMA 3 or 4 times. Once in the 21 years I've been following the activity closely, and that was the Richard Saucedo retirement victory tour. |
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Post by dbalash on Nov 17, 2024 8:20:04 GMT -6
Carmel has skipped ISSMA 3 or 4 times. Once in the 21 years I've been following the activity closely, and that was the Richard Saucedo retirement victory tour. 2005, 2006,2009,2010. |
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