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Post by bandgeek4life on Nov 16, 2019 14:44:19 GMT -6
Much better 😜 My Perdictions: 1. Vandegrift 2. Avon 3. CTJ 4. Carmel 5. Hebron 6. Leander 7. Mason 8. The Woodlands 9. Park Vista 10. Round Rock 11. Homestead 12. Larence Township 13. Rockford 14. Harrison 15. Union 16. Marian 17. Ayla 18. Byrnes 19. Centerville 20. Brownsburg 21. Miamisburg
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Post by bandgeek4life on Nov 16, 2019 14:46:07 GMT -6
I think they did it! Man oh man oh man oh man! Fingers toes and everything humanly possible crossed. MPLT, the door is open to Finals. Please, please lay down a spectacular performance and have a great time!!!!
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Post by 18Saxes on Nov 16, 2019 14:47:24 GMT -6
Top 3 bands for each caption based on semis performances.
Music 1. Vandegrift 2. Hebron 3. Carmel
Visual 1. Avon 2. Vandegrift 3. Carmel
General Effect 1. Avon 2. Carmel 3. Vandegrift
I made this cause I just couldn’t decide on a top 12.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 16, 2019 14:52:16 GMT -6
Are Jenison's electronics not working? This show feels very different than what I watched in prelims.
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 16, 2019 14:52:26 GMT -6
I think we all know 1 - 8 are solidly in.
The bubble is wide. Lots of good cases were made.
I think most of us (myself included) think RR is all but a lock for the top of this group of bubble bands. They were clean clean clean. *IF* content is rewarded over cleanliness by the Semis judges, I could see groups like Homestead/Marian/Ayala passing RR, but I don't see it happening.
I think Homestead is pretty safely in as well. Other than ensemble sound, they had a general lack of weaknesses. I know it wasn't their strongest run, but they're a rock solid group with essentially no caption vulnerabilities. But, of course, anything can happen, and I can certainly see a weaker run leaving them out as well.
Ayala seems in my mind to be less safe than the two aforementioned, but still has a better chance than many other bubbles. Their show is so bizarre & unique that I don't know where the GE judges will land them, but their training is evident and basic skill sets are all fantastic.
Harrison gets a nod from me as a strong bubble as well. Very little to fault, including design.
Union & Park Vista both made strong cases for Finals, and neither will surprise me if called. I do think both had some obvious weaknesses, and I could easily see both out as well. PV will be nice and high in the GE captions, but I don't know how well they'll fare in the performance captions. Union had to my ears a rougher music ensemble performance, and a questionable show design that didn't portray its intent clearly. But, again, both made the case that they could be in.
Marian didn't seem as tight as Prelims, but was right there nonetheless. If anything holds them out, it will be the visual caption. If anything keeps them in, it will be the design captions. They did play with a full, large ensemble sound that surpassed many of their competitors. Let's also not forget that if the judges are leaning towards demand, they've got miles more than ANYONE else.
I do believe Rockford & LT made nice cases for Finals as well. Both groups were clean clean clean, but I don't know if either design will be "enough". Crazier things have happened, though.
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Post by principalagent on Nov 16, 2019 14:54:28 GMT -6
I have a bit of a feeling that Leander ISD’s two are in the top three somewhere.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2019 14:54:50 GMT -6
That graffiti-covered wall at the end of Jenison's show looks great.
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Post by barbaralhsbandmom on Nov 16, 2019 14:56:58 GMT -6
I have a bit of a feeling that Leander ISD’s two are in the top three somewhere. As a Leander band mom I would love to agree with you, but I think Vandegrift will be there. Leander HS I think will be in the top 5/6 from what I have seen. But this has been fun to watch. I had no idea the level of dedication, commitment, talent and competition there is with marching bands nationwide!
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 16, 2019 14:57:48 GMT -6
As far as the top 22 goes, I had one sneaking out and one sneaking in (of course, we still have a few to go, so it's possible some could come out swinging). For top 12, Fishers is the least likely, I'm sure, but they were very solid. My gut tells me to go with them, but it's more realistic to think Homestead or RR are in that spot.
1 Vandegrift 2 Avon 3 Leander 4 Carmel 5 Claudia Taylor Johnson 6 Hebron 7 William Mason 8 The Woodlands 9 Union 10 Lawrence Township 11 Fishers 12 Ayala 13 Round Rock 14 Homestead 15 Harrison 16 Park Vista 17 Brownsburg 18 James F Byrnes 19 Rockford 20 Marian Catholic 21 Centerville 22 North Hardin
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Post by thewho on Nov 16, 2019 14:57:51 GMT -6
THIS IS A MOD MESSAGE.
We're going to have to cut down on the negative Park Vista talk. Any personal attacks will be met with a warning and a ban if it continues.
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2019 14:59:23 GMT -6
Marian didn't seem as tight as Prelims, but was right there nonetheless. If anything holds them out, it will be the visual caption. If anything keeps them in, it will be the design captions. They did play with a full, large ensemble sound that surpassed many of their competitors. Let's also not forget that if the judges are leaning towards demand, they've got miles more than ANYONE else. Is Marian using some full field miking? It's hard to tell on video, but it sorta seemed that way to me.
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Post by bandgeek4life on Nov 16, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -6
Really like your thorough analysis. Traditionally BOA has always really has scored MPLT shows well when they are clean. They design specifically for BOA judges and let the chip fall where they may for local ISMAA judges. In fac, in years that ISMAA seem to really not like their shows BOA scored them much better. This year they did well with ISMAA and indy regionals. They can do really well when they have a clean run. Their time slot coupled with the unfortunate dirty runs for some other bubble bands is going to make 12 spot on nail biter. They just needed to have a great run. It's going to be interesting! A fight to the end for 12th, I'm thinking. I think we all know 1 - 8 are solidly in. The bubble is wide. Lots of good cases were made. I think most of us (myself included) think RR is all but a lock for the top of this group of bubble bands. They were clean clean clean. *IF* content is rewarded over cleanliness by the Semis judges, I could see groups like Homestead/Marian/Ayala passing RR, but I don't see it happening. I think Homestead is pretty safely in as well. Other than ensemble sound, they had a general lack of weaknesses. I know it wasn't their strongest run, but they're a rock solid group with essentially no caption vulnerabilities. But, of course, anything can happen, and I can certainly see a weaker run leaving them out as well. Ayala seems in my mind to be less safe than the two aforementioned, but still has a better chance than many other bubbles. Their show is so bizarre & unique that I don't know where the GE judges will land them, but their training is evident and basic skill sets are all fantastic. Harrison gets a nod from me as a strong bubble as well. Very little to fault, including design. Union & Park Vista both made strong cases for Finals, and neither will surprise me if called. I do think both had some obvious weaknesses, and I could easily see both out as well. PV will be nice and high in the GE captions, but I don't know how well they'll fare in the performance captions. Union had to my ears a rougher music ensemble performance, and a questionable show design that didn't portray its intent clearly. But, again, both made the case that they could be in. Marian didn't seem as tight as Prelims, but was right there nonetheless. If anything holds them out, it will be the visual caption. If anything keeps them in, it will be the design captions. They did play with a full, large ensemble sound that surpassed many of their competitors. Let's also not forget that if the judges are leaning towards demand, they've got miles more than ANYONE else. I do believe Rockford & LT made nice cases for Finals as well. Both groups were clean clean clean, but I don't know if either design will be "enough". Crazier things have happened, though.
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Post by verysaxy on Nov 16, 2019 15:01:59 GMT -6
Nice Jenison! Little skeptical about Lakota West though... LOVE the theme
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2019 15:05:19 GMT -6
I think cymbal rolls get used too often in ballads.
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Post by supersound on Nov 16, 2019 15:05:45 GMT -6
What does MLPT stand for?
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Post by Marching Observer on Nov 16, 2019 15:06:16 GMT -6
To speak of the sometimes critical tone OldSchoolTrumpet has, I am an alumni of the program too and as someone said, people close to programs tend to have a more critical eye on the programs they may be a homer for. I have also seen the reverse to be true as well with people blindingly believing their band is the next best thing to god and baby animals. Both can get weary which is why I always try to keep my opinions as neutral as possible in many instances. Just wanted to say, yes, we are critical. But that doesn't necessarily mean that we think a program doesn't have a chance or that we believe they had a truly poor performance or whatever it may be.
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Post by srv1084 on Nov 16, 2019 15:07:04 GMT -6
I think cymbal rolls get used too often in ballads. Did you like Blue Knights this past year? I know, lots of voice-overs, but I ask because of your comment above. Not a cymbal to be found in that front ensemble, but the depth and effect was still there.
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Post by indianabandfan on Nov 16, 2019 15:07:37 GMT -6
What does MLPT stand for? Marching Panthers of lake Toronto Just kidding the marching Pride of Lawrence township
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Post by bandgeek4life on Nov 16, 2019 15:07:54 GMT -6
Marching pride of Lawrence Township also known as Lawrence Township. What does MLPT stand for?
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2019 15:08:09 GMT -6
"Bohemian Rhapsody" really is too difficult for marching band. I must have heard 15 versions of it this year, and not one band gives the third and fourth movement to full ensemble at the real speed. As often as not, they skip that part or they give it to the pit or they really water it down.
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 16, 2019 15:08:44 GMT -6
What does MLPT stand for? Marching Panthers of lake Toronto Just kidding the marching Pride of Lawrence township Lake Teryaki, get your facts straight please.
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Post by bandgeek4life on Nov 16, 2019 15:09:24 GMT -6
oh my goodness I laughed so hard. I also answered that question and I did text to talk. And I hit enter and then I saw your post thinking it was mine and I thought oh my God I got it so wrong LOL What does MLPT stand for? Marching Panthers of lake Toronto Just kidding the marching Pride of Lawrence township
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2019 15:09:53 GMT -6
I think cymbal rolls get used too often in ballads. Did you like Blue Knights this past year? I know, lots of voice-overs, but I ask because of your comment above. Not a cymbal to be found in that front ensemble, but the depth and effect was still there. Apart from the voice-overs (ugh) I liked BK. The cool spinning crescendo-decrescendo in the battery at the beginning is what I remember most.
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Post by lostchoirguy on Nov 16, 2019 15:11:59 GMT -6
I recognize that some of the commentary on here has become snarky and borderline rude, but I just have to remind myself that this is Grand Nationals! Of course people are going to be passionate and emotional about the culmination of another great year. Seeing a bit of argument (as long as it is civil and moderate) just reminds me why I love this activity so much!
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Post by N.E. Brigand on Nov 16, 2019 15:13:02 GMT -6
OK, now I can see why Miamisburg beat Lakota West this week. First time ever I would have said that was the right call. West is pretty clean, but it's a fairly slow show. Now I'm wondering why I thought they deserved to be higher at Muncie. Still congratulations on their first time ever advancing in a major event (missed by two tenths at the Indy Super last year, I think).
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 16, 2019 15:13:55 GMT -6
I missed Lakota West in Prelims; they were a pleasant surprise! Absolutely earned their spot in the top 30, they played very well.
Now for one of my favorite shows I saw from Prelims, Lake Hamilton!! Also congrats on your first ever Semis berth, and as a top 30 to boot!
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Post by thewho on Nov 16, 2019 15:15:29 GMT -6
An shout-out to the kids counting down to the announcement! Fun little thing going on and being respectful of those with preshows
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Post by dankmemes on Nov 16, 2019 15:17:04 GMT -6
My last (bold) thoughts before finals:
Avon (Visual/GE) Hebron (Music) Leander Vandegrift William Mason The Woodlands Carmel Claudia Taylor Johnson Round Rock Harrison Homestead Union -- Ayala Park Vista
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Post by supersound on Nov 16, 2019 15:20:51 GMT -6
I’ve heard such cool things about Ayala. I hope they make finals so I can see their full show finally! If anyone happens to have a recording...you know who’s looking for it.
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Post by Jake W. on Nov 16, 2019 15:25:00 GMT -6
Love love love that Lake Hamilton show, and that's not usually my wheelhouse. Fun & cute, something the entire community can get behind, and that's super important.
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