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Post by es203 on Nov 17, 2019 0:17:18 GMT -6
Byrnes I believe is on rotation. Dobyns Bennett will be back as well as Tarpon. Kennesaw Mountain might be back. The big question mark is Wando at the moment... I would say that they aren’t going because of the school split, but who knows. They aren’t going to state next year so they’re going to need another competition to go to.
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 17, 2019 0:19:31 GMT -6
Avon’s 13th top 3 appearance. That is just insane. Do they have the most GN 2nd places?
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Post by supersound on Nov 17, 2019 0:20:52 GMT -6
Broken Arrow, Blue Springs, Dobyns and Tarpon should be back. Vista Ridge and Cedar Park are going from Texas from what I’ve heard from people down there.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Nov 17, 2019 0:22:29 GMT -6
Now that this is over, who is coming to Grand Nationals next year? Does it come back to Texas? Broken Arrow Carmel Avon Blue Springs Vista Ridge Don’t know: Ronald Reagan? Tarpon? (Still has 1 year (once every 3 years correct?)) Wando Marcus Cedar Park
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Post by oldschoolkazoo on Nov 17, 2019 0:23:25 GMT -6
Avon with an 18.8 in Music Ensemble? Interesting.. Congratulations to Vandegrift, though!
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Post by nny14 on Nov 17, 2019 0:28:58 GMT -6
Avon with an 18.8 in Music Ensemble? Interesting.. Congratulations to Vandegrift, though! Texas bands are hard to beat in ensemble sound. Particularly the ones from an ISD that starts with L.
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 17, 2019 0:34:20 GMT -6
Wow I didn't realize Union had that many finals appearances. 2019, 2017, 2014, 2011, 2010, 2000, 1998, 1995, 1990, 1989, 1986, 1981 I believe Union, PCEP and Marian Catholic are the only bands to make GN finals in 4 decades. Its very select company.
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Post by bigchungus on Nov 17, 2019 0:40:52 GMT -6
I’m excited to see if cedar park vista ridge and ronald reagan can bring it back again next year
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Post by It's Just Band on Nov 17, 2019 0:42:57 GMT -6
2019, 2017, 2014, 2011, 2010, 2000, 1998, 1995, 1990, 1989, 1986, 1981 I believe Union, PCEP and Marian Catholic are the only bands to make GN finals in 4 decades. Its very select company. Carmel could become part of that group next year
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Post by Subito Fortissimo on Nov 17, 2019 0:44:45 GMT -6
Avon’s 13th top 3 appearance. That is just insane. Do they have the most GN 2nd places? Not only 13 top 3 finishes, but 13 straight top 3 finishes. And in the side of the marching activity that is way more volatile and inconsistent than DCI, that is arguably more impressive than Blue Devils current streak of 13 straight top 2 finishes.
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Post by mommybear on Nov 17, 2019 2:33:20 GMT -6
Poor Fishers. They’ve been on the wrong side of the bubble too often. Sooner or later they’re going to break in. By my posts, it's pretty obvious I'm in support of their program since they're definitely on the rise. Their show this year figured out visual things that were lacking from last year, and I expect them to come at it next year with an even bigger show with even more visual. Will it be next year? Who knows. Just hope they don't pull 2 again, and we'll all be good. What do you mean by pull 2? Explain to me like I am 5. 😊
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Post by indyguardmom on Nov 17, 2019 6:16:43 GMT -6
By my posts, it's pretty obvious I'm in support of their program since they're definitely on the rise. Their show this year figured out visual things that were lacking from last year, and I expect them to come at it next year with an even bigger show with even more visual. Will it be next year? Who knows. Just hope they don't pull 2 again, and we'll all be good. What do you mean by pull 2? Explain to me like I am 5. 😊 For the second year in a row, Fishers drew an extremely low number for semifinals (3 last year and 2 this year), meaning they had to perform first of the top 22 bands. Had they played later in the day, they may have been a finalist this year? He's just saying that he hopes they can pull a better number next year.
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 17, 2019 7:57:24 GMT -6
boahistorybuff Is this the first time ever that a band won GN on 1st trip? 1st trip
1976 - Live Oak (yes this was the first GN)
1977 - Murray
1979 - Sylva-Webster
2019 - Vandegrift
For fall GN since 1980 (seeing as Tate and Chesterton were finalists at the 79 June GN), this has never happened until last night.
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Post by thewho on Nov 17, 2019 8:02:08 GMT -6
boahistorybuff Is this the first time ever that a band won GN on 1st trip? 1st trip
1976 - Live Oak (yes this was the first GN)
1977 - Murray
1979 - Sylva-Webster
2019 - Vandegrift
For fall GN since 1980 (seeing as Tate and Chesterton were finalists at the 79 June GN), this has never happened until last night.
!!!!!!!! I think it's safe to say Vandegrift is the first band to win a true GN on their first trip! Those 1970's wins can easily be discounted. What an incredible achievement.
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Post by drumcorpsgeek on Nov 17, 2019 9:17:39 GMT -6
What is Avon's streak of medals now?
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Post by sethb811 on Nov 17, 2019 9:21:24 GMT -6
What is Avon's streak of medals now? 13 consecutive. 2007-present. Unreal consistency!
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Post by boahistorybuff on Nov 17, 2019 9:31:55 GMT -6
Aside from Vandegrift winning in their first trip, some other points;
Yes this was Avon's 13th consecutive top three finish, no other band comes close to this. They have been runner up to the GN title 6 times, also a record.
This was Carmel's 24th consecutive finals appearance, the second highest number of finals appearances. They have had a top 5 finish 20 of those years.
This was the first time that 6 bands from the same state were in finals. The previous record was 5; 1976 and 1977 - IL; 1980 - FL; 1981 and 1984 - IN; 2013 - TX
This was the first time since 1983 that no band from Illinois was in finals.
This finals had the fewest bands from the Midwest since 1980, when GN was held in Florida.
There were 8 finalist bands from west of the Mississippi, a record.
In my opinion, based on other GN finals, scores could have been 1 to 2 points higher across the board (its why scores don't always tell the whole story).
Yes, without a doubt, this was the best GN finals ever. Can't believe those were high school students.
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Post by TeamIndiana on Nov 17, 2019 9:53:41 GMT -6
Aside from Vandegrift winning in their first trip, some other points; Yes this was Avon's 13th consecutive top three finish, no other band comes close to this. They have been runner up to the GN title 6 times, also a record. This was Carmel's 24th consecutive finals appearance, the second highest number of finals appearances. They have had a top 5 finish 20 of those years. This was the first time that 6 bands from the same state were in finals. The previous record was 5; 1976 and 1977 - IL; 1980 - FL; 1981 and 1984 - IN; 2013 - TX This was the first time since 1983 that no band from Illinois was in finals. This finals had the fewest bands from the Midwest since 1980, when GN was held in Florida. There were 8 finalist bands from west of the Mississippi, a record. In my opinion, based on other GN finals, scores could have been 1 to 2 points higher across the board (its why scores don't always tell the whole story). Yes, without a doubt, this was the best GN finals ever. Can't believe those were high school students. I always look forward to your informational posts! Thanks for all the research and work you do to pass that info along to everyone.
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Post by bearscott85 on Nov 17, 2019 10:39:43 GMT -6
Incredible finish for Miamisburg, congrats! I was looking over all prelim scores this morning and semi scores, I can't believe they were first in AA in prelims...then finished third in semi's...again best they have done in years!
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Post by marimba11 on Nov 17, 2019 11:08:31 GMT -6
I can’t believe I’m waking up and Avon didn’t win, just not how I thought this story would end! These Leander ISD schools are stirring up big trouble 😭🤣
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Post by gregorydf on Nov 17, 2019 14:48:27 GMT -6
I can’t believe I’m waking up and Avon didn’t win, just not how I thought this story would end! These Leander ISD schools are stirring up big trouble 😭🤣 Hope your ready for more next year with two other Leander ISD bands; Vista Ridge (3rd behind Vandergrift at BOA San Antonio this year and was first in Texas UIL State in 2018 while Vandergrift was 3rd), and Cedar Park. Also we in Texas hope to bring the 2019 BOA San Antonio Gold Medalists the Ronald Reagan High School Band. As always completion drivers further excellence and where Texas was driven by the excellence seen in Grand Nat's over the years, I believe the Texas bands will drive increased excellence outside of Texas. High School Marching will just keep getting better and the bar raised each year for all. It going to be amazing to watch what is to come over the next few years!
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Post by trumpette123 on Nov 17, 2019 15:21:30 GMT -6
I can’t believe I’m waking up and Avon didn’t win, just not how I thought this story would end! These Leander ISD schools are stirring up big trouble 😭🤣 Hope your ready for more next year with two other Leander ISD bands; Vista Ridge (3rd behind Vandergrift at BOA San Antonio this year and was first in Texas UIL State in 2018 while Vandergrift was 3rd), and Cedar Park. Also we in Texas hope to bring the 2019 BOA San Antonio Gold Medalists the Ronald Reagan High School Band. As always completion drivers further excellence and where Texas was driven by the excellence seen in Grand Nat's over the years, I believe the Texas bands will drive increased excellence outside of Texas. High School Marching will just keep getting better and the bar raised each year for all. It going to be amazing to watch what is to come over the next few years! I would just like to remind you though that just because a band gets the Gold Medal at San Antonio one year, doesn't mean they are going to turn around and have a gold medal winning show again the next year or year after. Lets look at CTJ for example, won SA in 2014 and 2017, got 9th at GN in 2016 and 6 at GN in 2019 (this year.) Another example is Flomo win San Antonio in 2015 AND 2016 then getting 5th at Grand Nationals. Flomo winning San Antonio last year and getting 9th this year. Obviously their placements at grand nationals are nothing to look down upon, but what I am trying to bring up is that Texas band shows just aren't as consistent as someone like Avon (Got top 3 at GN for how many years now?) Just because Ronald Reagan Broke the score at SA which was previously set by CTJ (just two years ago, who got 6th at GN yesterday) doesn't mean they are going to have a show with as good design as they had this year. Vandegrift, who got 7th at San Antonio last year just won Grand Nationals, obviously their show last year was pretty good as they got a 94. Ronald Reagan got 2nd in 2018 and 1st this year. Let's see they if they can produce a 3rd masterpiece in a row. This also highlights how good Texas bands are, that just because you win one year doesn't mean you are safe the next, even with a spectacular show.
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Post by gregorydf on Nov 17, 2019 15:27:44 GMT -6
Hope your ready for more next year with two other Leander ISD bands; Vista Ridge (3rd behind Vandergrift at BOA San Antonio this year and was first in Texas UIL State in 2018 while Vandergrift was 3rd), and Cedar Park. Also we in Texas hope to bring the 2019 BOA San Antonio Gold Medalists the Ronald Reagan High School Band. As always completion drivers further excellence and where Texas was driven by the excellence seen in Grand Nat's over the years, I believe the Texas bands will drive increased excellence outside of Texas. High School Marching will just keep getting better and the bar raised each year for all. It going to be amazing to watch what is to come over the next few years! I would just like to remind you though that just because a band gets the Gold Medal at San Antonio one year, doesn't mean they are going to turn around and have a gold medal winning show again the next year or year after. Lets look at CTJ for example, won SA in 2014 and 2017, got 9th at GN in 2016 and 6 at GN in 2019 (this year.) Another example is Flomo win San Antonio in 2015 AND 2016 then getting 5th at Grand Nationals. Flomo winning San Antonio last year and getting 9th this year. Obviously their placements at grand nationals are nothing to look down upon, but what I am trying to bring up is that Texas band shows just aren't as consistent as someone like Avon (Got top 3 at GN for how many years now?) Just because Ronald Reagan Broke the score at SA which was previously set by CTJ (just two years ago, who got 6th at GN yesterday) doesn't mean they are going to have a show with as good design as they had this year. Vandegrift, who got 7th at San Antonio last year just won Grand Nationals, obviously their show last year was pretty good as they got a 94. Ronald Reagan got 2nd in 2018 and 1st this year. Let's see they if they can produce a 3rd masterpiece in a row. This also highlights how good Texas bands are, that just because you win one year doesn't mean you are safe the next, even with a spectacular show. No need to remind me that lot's can change year to year, I was in high school 40 years ago and lot's of change over the years. Looking forward to more changes and growth as a whole for high school bands.
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 17, 2019 16:18:18 GMT -6
Hope your ready for more next year with two other Leander ISD bands; Vista Ridge (3rd behind Vandergrift at BOA San Antonio this year and was first in Texas UIL State in 2018 while Vandergrift was 3rd), and Cedar Park. Also we in Texas hope to bring the 2019 BOA San Antonio Gold Medalists the Ronald Reagan High School Band. As always completion drivers further excellence and where Texas was driven by the excellence seen in Grand Nat's over the years, I believe the Texas bands will drive increased excellence outside of Texas. High School Marching will just keep getting better and the bar raised each year for all. It going to be amazing to watch what is to come over the next few years! I would just like to remind you though that just because a band gets the Gold Medal at San Antonio one year, doesn't mean they are going to turn around and have a gold medal winning show again the next year or year after. Lets look at CTJ for example, won SA in 2014 and 2017, got 9th at GN in 2016 and 6 at GN in 2019 (this year.) Another example is Flomo win San Antonio in 2015 AND 2016 then getting 5th at Grand Nationals. Flomo winning San Antonio last year and getting 9th this year. Obviously their placements at grand nationals are nothing to look down upon, but what I am trying to bring up is that Texas band shows just aren't as consistent as someone like Avon (Got top 3 at GN for how many years now?) Just because Ronald Reagan Broke the score at SA which was previously set by CTJ (just two years ago, who got 6th at GN yesterday) doesn't mean they are going to have a show with as good design as they had this year. Vandegrift, who got 7th at San Antonio last year just won Grand Nationals, obviously their show last year was pretty good as they got a 94. Ronald Reagan got 2nd in 2018 and 1st this year. Let's see they if they can produce a 3rd masterpiece in a row. This also highlights how good Texas bands are, that just because you win one year doesn't mean you are safe the next, even with a spectacular show. The premise of your arguments is true but only partially. A great majority of Texas bands can Medal one year and be in the lower bubble the following. One oversight that you may have missed is that really only speaks to the depth of talent in Texas! See Hornrank the past few years. Number one in GN does not always equate to number one in the Country. Secondly, your Avon example hold no weight because those national presentations are only in the Midwest lest you forget 2017 when Avon was in Texas and placed 4th. We don’t know what the years bring and anyone who thinks they do is nearly speaking opinion. Impressive as it may be consistent wins regionally do not equate to what you think it does. If that were to be true then the 3 major regions in Texas can claim to that consistency as well. It’s a straw man.
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Post by Samuel Culper on Nov 17, 2019 16:37:46 GMT -6
Exactly! There is more movement in results from year to year in San Antonio NOT because of inconsistency by Texas bands, but because of the depth of the competition in San Antonio.
Avon and Carmel would not have the same level of success every year if they were competing against the level of competition in SA every year. They would still be very successful, obviously, but you would see a lot more variation.
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Post by Allohak on Nov 17, 2019 18:55:58 GMT -6
Not to interrupt your little Texas love-fest, but...
Texas bands can have EXTREMELY different show design types from year-to-year depending on whether their endgame is UIL or BOA.
So, yeah. Inconsistent. 😉😎🙃
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 17, 2019 19:26:29 GMT -6
We are talking about consistent mastery of the craft in Texas “my friend” (speaking with my Texas twang 😀). That was the premise. Looking at the Texas anomaly through BOA theologians lenses does not give the full story of these programs success. Not even close. Many of the Midwesterner I run into base their arguments solely on results for BOA (today and yesteryear). To your point Yes, UIl and BOA have different rating systems but that does not affect Texas dominance in the big picture. I see this through lens similar to Hornrank. Using BOA and Non BOA competitions and sources as a beacon.
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Post by thewho on Nov 17, 2019 19:35:05 GMT -6
We are talking about consistent mastery of the craft in Texas “my friend” (speaking with my Texas twang 😀). That was the premise. Looking at the Texas anomaly through ameture BOA theologians lenses does not give the full story of these programs success. Not even close. Many of the Midwesterner I run into base their arguments solely on results for BOA (today and yesteryear). To your point Yes, UIl and BOA have different rating systems but that does not affect Texas dominance in the big picture. I see this through lens similar to Hornrank. Using BOA and Non BOA competitions and sources as a beacon. So you're implying UIL to be the superior circuit?
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Post by TXHillCountryBands on Nov 17, 2019 19:41:35 GMT -6
We are talking about consistent mastery of the craft in Texas “my friend” (speaking with my Texas twang 😀). That was the premise. Looking at the Texas anomaly through ameture BOA theologians lenses does not give the full story of these programs success. Not even close. Many of the Midwesterner I run into base their arguments solely on results for BOA (today and yesteryear). To your point Yes, UIl and BOA have different rating systems but that does not affect Texas dominance in the big picture. I see this through lens similar to Hornrank. Using BOA and Non BOA competitions and sources as a beacon. So you're implying UIL to be the superior circuit? 👀 I do not. I did not.
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Post by thewho on Nov 17, 2019 20:43:12 GMT -6
So you're implying UIL to be the superior circuit? 👀I don’t see how you can read what I said and come up with that statement. Nowhere did I even allude to that position. I'm just going to put the quoted post down here: We are talking about consistent mastery of the craft in Texas “my friend” (speaking with my Texas twang 😀). That was the premise. Looking at the Texas anomaly through BOA theologians lenses does not give the full story of these programs success. Not even close. Many of the Midwesterner I run into base their arguments solely on results for BOA (today and yesteryear). To your point Yes, UIl and BOA have different rating systems but that does not affect Texas dominance in the big picture. I see this through lens similar to Hornrank. Using BOA and Non BOA competitions and sources as a beacon. Two things: 1. Divisive language isn't cool, which you were implying with "Midwesterner" vs. Texas. This is band, we're not on opposite sides here. 2. Allohak never diminished any of the Texan band achievements at all, just saying UIL and BOA are two very, very different circuits. It's been a fact in the past that bands have designed their shows for UIL and BOA- I know The Woodlands were examples of this in the early '10s. 2014 TWHS was far from the show design quality that won them the Eagle in 2013. Texan bands have been bridging the two together with some success recently, but the past is what we have at this moment. That's why making the distinction between UIL and BOA years are important when considering Texan bands- it absolutely affects Texas dominance. For every Flower Mound 2016, Ronald Reagan 2018, Marcus whatever, there's a TWHS, Round Rock, and Wakeland getting hosed down in UIL because they can't play to their strengths they have in BOA. Does that mean they suck, since the UIL standards are better? (no)The reason why so many people go to BOA to compare bands is because it's a national circuit. Non-UIL bands can't compete in UIL. ISSMA is not the same thing as OMEA or KMEA or ISU State Marching Championships or AZOBA or CBA Marching or UIL. The only fair comparison in a lot of cases is BOA, where the sheets are used consistently across multiple states. The Hornrank voters definitely take in account results from Non-BOA circuits, but wouldn't it be disingenuous to compare bands according to one specific set of criteria that other states don't have a say in? Like............................ UIL?
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