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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 7:42:30 GMT -6
Not a SINGLE mention of ANY limitation on the number of weekly hours that Texas folks like to quote so often. The 8 hour rule is only when school is in session. However, no drill can be learnt (I love that word so I’m using it) until August 1 as we all know.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 7:45:21 GMT -6
I don’t think any band is going to rush back to the band hall anytime soon regardless. Perhaps they’ll have sectionals and such and hopefully they’ll start learning their fall marching music (at home), but I honestly don’t see any band camps happening before late July.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 9:49:37 GMT -6
Not a SINGLE mention of ANY limitation on the number of weekly hours that Texas folks like to quote so often. The 8 hour rule is only when school is in session. However, no drill can be learnt (I love that word so I’m using it) until August 1 as we all know. Drill can't be PRACTICED by the band under supervision of band staff before August 1 (based on what you and others have posted about it) but that DOESN'T mean no learning of drill can take place. Many bands expect the students to have started learning the location of their "dots" prior to the first day of band camp. Or does UIL prohibit mental exercises, too?
And what's with the Texas HIGH SCHOOL association using the name UNIVERSITY Interscholastic League? Sounds like it should be the name of a Division III or NAIA sports league.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 23, 2020 9:56:27 GMT -6
The 8 hour rule is only when school is in session. However, no drill can be learnt (I love that word so I’m using it) until August 1 as we all know. Drill can't be PRACTICED by the band under supervision of band staff before August 1 (based on what you and others have posted about it) but that DOESN'T mean no learning of drill can take place. Many bands expect the students to have started learning the location of their "dots" prior to the first day of band camp. Or does UIL prohibit mental exercises, too?
And what's with the Texas HIGH SCHOOL association using the name UNIVERSITY Interscholastic League? Sounds like it should be the name of a Division III or NAIA sports league.
Hey I’m only 4 years into Texas... I thought I’d learn some history- History of the UIL S.E. Mezes and E.D. Shurter The seeds of the UIL were planted in 1904, when Dr. S.E. Mezes, president of The University of Texas, decided the state's foremost university needed to be of service to the entire state. At the time, it was felt that unless an outreach program was initiated, the university would become elitist and isolated from society as a whole. Mezes dispatched William Sutton, dean of the school of education, to visit Wisconsin, which had the nation's premier extension department, offering reference libraries, specialists as lecturers and assorted other off-campus services. On June 7, 1909, Sutton described the "Wisconsin Plan" to the UT board of regents, which promptly allocated funds for the creation of the UT Extension Bureau. The next year, Dr. Mezes created the Debating League of Texas High Schools as part of the Extension Bureau. Twenty-eight schools joined the League, which came under the direction of Dr. E.D. Shurter. He also appointed Professor Charles Ramsdell to investigate the need for a high school athletic organization. After talking with public school officials, Professor Ramsdell suggested organizing an Interscholastic Athletic Association. The proposal was approved and the UIL's two parent organizations, the Debating League of Texas and the Interscholastic Athletic Association became operational. In 1913, the Debating League and the Athletic Association merged to form the University Interscholastic League, which was centered in the Bureau of Public School Services, then a part of The University of Texas Extension Division. Today, the League operates as part of the University of Texas, under the auspices of the Vice President for Diversity & Community Engagement. Since 1910, the records and achievements of state high school participants have justified the decision of the University to support this program of public school service. The UIL has grown into the largest interschool organization of its kind in the world, and is the envy of similar groups nationwide. The UIL exists to provide educational extracurricular academic, athletic, and music contests. So successful is the program that one of every two high school seniors has participated in a UIL event prior to graduation. The initials "UIL" have come to represent quality educational competition, administered by school people on an amateur and equitable basis. Taken from: www.uiltexas.org/historyWe practice marching basics in the summer ... but as far as I know the kids aren’t given dots until august 1st. And sectionals do count against the 8 hours once school starts. Have we mentioned the 100 degree weather practicing out on black asphalt parking lots yet? 🤔😂
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 10:25:29 GMT -6
Drill can't be PRACTICED by the band under supervision of band staff before August 1 (based on what you and others have posted about it) but that DOESN'T mean no learning of drill can take place. Many bands expect the students to have started learning the location of their "dots" prior to the first day of band camp. Or does UIL prohibit mental exercises, too?
And what's with the Texas HIGH SCHOOL association using the name UNIVERSITY Interscholastic League? Sounds like it should be the name of a Division III or NAIA sports league.
Hey I’m only 4 years into Texas... I thought I’d learn some history- History of the UIL S.E. Mezes and E.D. Shurter The seeds of the UIL were planted in 1904, when Dr. S.E. Mezes, president of The University of Texas, decided the state's foremost university needed to be of service to the entire state. At the time, it was felt that unless an outreach program was initiated, the university would become elitist and isolated from society as a whole. Mezes dispatched William Sutton, dean of the school of education, to visit Wisconsin, which had the nation's premier extension department, offering reference libraries, specialists as lecturers and assorted other off-campus services. On June 7, 1909, Sutton described the "Wisconsin Plan" to the UT board of regents, which promptly allocated funds for the creation of the UT Extension Bureau. The next year, Dr. Mezes created the Debating League of Texas High Schools as part of the Extension Bureau. Twenty-eight schools joined the League, which came under the direction of Dr. E.D. Shurter. He also appointed Professor Charles Ramsdell to investigate the need for a high school athletic organization. After talking with public school officials, Professor Ramsdell suggested organizing an Interscholastic Athletic Association. The proposal was approved and the UIL's two parent organizations, the Debating League of Texas and the Interscholastic Athletic Association became operational. In 1913, the Debating League and the Athletic Association merged to form the University Interscholastic League, which was centered in the Bureau of Public School Services, then a part of The University of Texas Extension Division. Today, the League operates as part of the University of Texas, under the auspices of the Vice President for Diversity & Community Engagement. Since 1910, the records and achievements of state high school participants have justified the decision of the University to support this program of public school service. The UIL has grown into the largest interschool organization of its kind in the world, and is the envy of similar groups nationwide. The UIL exists to provide educational extracurricular academic, athletic, and music contests. So successful is the program that one of every two high school seniors has participated in a UIL event prior to graduation. The initials "UIL" have come to represent quality educational competition, administered by school people on an amateur and equitable basis. Taken from: www.uiltexas.org/historyWe practice marching basics in the summer ... but as far as I know the kids aren’t given dots until august 1st. And sectionals do count against the 8 hours once school starts. Have we mentioned the 100 degree weather practicing out on black asphalt parking lots yet? 🤔😂 Thank you for the research and info sharing. Still doesn't mean University should be part of the name - neither of the parent organizations included it. 100 degree weather (usually) doesn't start early in the morning - when I was in high school in Southern Nevada, our preseason sports and band practices were held at 6:00 a.m. to get in ahead of the heat of the day. Texas has that option, too. And now a question about (mandatory) sectionals that count against the 8 hour "limit." Would a (voluntary) "group lesson" - taught by percussion techs, attended by the entire battery, and focusing on portions of the current season show - count against the time? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 23, 2020 11:03:27 GMT -6
Thank you for the research and info sharing. Still doesn't mean University should be part of the name - neither of the parent organizations included it. 100 degree weather (usually) doesn't start early in the morning - when I was in high school in Southern Nevada, our preseason sports and band practices were held at 6:00 a.m. to get in ahead of the heat of the day. Texas has that option, too. And now a question about (mandatory) sectionals that count against the 8 hour "limit." Would a (voluntary) "group lesson" - taught by percussion techs, attended by the entire battery, and focusing on portions of the current season show - count against the time? Inquiring minds want to know. [/quote] From what I can tell- it seems it would depend on what they are working on, and if it’s during the school year or in the summer. from: www.uiltexas.org/files/music/Summer_Marching_Band_Rules_and_Interpretations.pdf“Q: If the drum major or section leader calls an extra rehearsal for individuals or sections of the band will the extra rehearsal count towards the eight hours? Answer: Yes. Therefore, it is the opinion of the state office that any time students spend practicing marching (non-music elements of the show) between the end of the school year and August 1 should count towards the 10-hour maximum.“ Then later in the document- “In addition, students who play a wind or percussion instrument may not be taught any choreography (staging, movement, or otherwise) that is unique to the competitive show prior to August 1 (exception: fundamentals of movement/marching may be taught during the 10 hours of instruction permitted prior to August 1). However, UIL has no rules that limit music rehearsal time from the end of the previous school year until the first day of school of the new school year.”
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 11:13:07 GMT -6
From what I can tell- it seems it would depend on what they are working on, and if it’s during the school year or in the summer. from: www.uiltexas.org/files/music/Summer_Marching_Band_Rules_and_Interpretations.pdf“Q: If the drum major or section leader calls an extra rehearsal for individuals or sections of the band will the extra rehearsal count towards the eight hours? Answer: Yes. Therefore, it is the opinion of the state office that any time students spend practicing marching (non-music elements of the show) between the end of the school year and August 1 should count towards the 10-hour maximum.“ Then later in the document- “In addition, students who play a wind or percussion instrument may not be taught any choreography (staging, movement, or otherwise) that is unique to the competitive show prior to August 1 (exception: fundamentals of movement/marching may be taught during the 10 hours of instruction permitted prior to August 1). However, UIL has no rules that limit music rehearsal time from the end of the previous school year until the first day of school of the new school year.” So MUSIC rehearsal time is unlimited during the summer and show drill/choreography for musicians is basically forbidden until August 1. Puts a whole new spin on "8 hour limit" if that's how it is applied to music during the school year.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 11:17:14 GMT -6
Great info WoodlandsMom4ever! That was really interesting about the history and origins of UIL. Figures UT would have had something to do with it. Dang Longhorns. Thanks for sharing that! I have often wondered myself why it’s called University when it isn’t. I’m assuming every state has something similar....or no?
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 11:19:46 GMT -6
From what I can tell- it seems it would depend on what they are working on, and if it’s during the school year or in the summer. from: www.uiltexas.org/files/music/Summer_Marching_Band_Rules_and_Interpretations.pdf“Q: If the drum major or section leader calls an extra rehearsal for individuals or sections of the band will the extra rehearsal count towards the eight hours? Answer: Yes. Therefore, it is the opinion of the state office that any time students spend practicing marching (non-music elements of the show) between the end of the school year and August 1 should count towards the 10-hour maximum.“ Then later in the document- “In addition, students who play a wind or percussion instrument may not be taught any choreography (staging, movement, or otherwise) that is unique to the competitive show prior to August 1 (exception: fundamentals of movement/marching may be taught during the 10 hours of instruction permitted prior to August 1). However, UIL has no rules that limit music rehearsal time from the end of the previous school year until the first day of school of the new school year.” So MUSIC rehearsal time is unlimited during the summer and show drill/choreography for musicians is basically forbidden until August 1. Puts a whole new spin on "8 hour limit" if that's how it is applied to music during the school year. I’m trying to figure out if you genuinely want to know something specific here or if you’re just being an ass. You aren’t normally the latter so I’ll chalk it up to something else.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 23, 2020 11:34:24 GMT -6
From what I can tell- it seems it would depend on what they are working on, and if it’s during the school year or in the summer. from: www.uiltexas.org/files/music/Summer_Marching_Band_Rules_and_Interpretations.pdf“Q: If the drum major or section leader calls an extra rehearsal for individuals or sections of the band will the extra rehearsal count towards the eight hours? Answer: Yes. Therefore, it is the opinion of the state office that any time students spend practicing marching (non-music elements of the show) between the end of the school year and August 1 should count towards the 10-hour maximum.“ Then later in the document- “In addition, students who play a wind or percussion instrument may not be taught any choreography (staging, movement, or otherwise) that is unique to the competitive show prior to August 1 (exception: fundamentals of movement/marching may be taught during the 10 hours of instruction permitted prior to August 1). However, UIL has no rules that limit music rehearsal time from the end of the previous school year until the first day of school of the new school year.” So MUSIC rehearsal time is unlimited during the summer and show drill/choreography for musicians is basically forbidden until August 1. Puts a whole new spin on "8 hour limit" if that's how it is applied to music during the school year. 8 hour limit is during the school year. It includes any practice outside of school hours- does not include set up time, and gives an hour for run thru’s for football games/performances. What I quoted above is summer band rules- no limit on music practice, but 10 hours of Instructional fundamentals until aug 1st. After august 1st and until school starts- theoretically there is no limit on drill and music practices during that time. Those weeks vary depending on the school and the availability of facilities and the start dates of different individual school districts.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 11:47:55 GMT -6
So MUSIC rehearsal time is unlimited during the summer and show drill/choreography for musicians is basically forbidden until August 1. Puts a whole new spin on "8 hour limit" if that's how it is applied to music during the school year. 8 hour limit is during the school year. It includes any practice outside of school hours- does not include set up time, and gives an hour for run thru’s for football games/performances. What I quoted above is summer band rules- no limit on music practice, but 10 hours of Instructional fundamentals until aug 1st. After august 1st and until school starts- theoretically there is no limit on drill and music practices during that time. Those weeks vary depending on the school and the availability of facilities and the start dates of different individual school districts. I am truly concerned about the band halls being crowded with kids this summer. I am anxious to see how they will plan for social distancing, if that is still a concern then, which I feel sure it will be. They may have to keep kids out of the band hall altogether. And so, if they can’t use the band halls to practice their music together, what will be the other option? In the summer here, most bands go indoors between lunch and dinner and then go back outside in the late afternoon when it has presumably cooled off a little. (Ha!). So if we can’t go inside during summer band camp, how will the kids learn the music portion of the show?
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Post by paddy on May 23, 2020 11:50:06 GMT -6
What is the typical number of sets in a show? How much drill is there to learn? How much body/choreography?
It is very difficult to compare the impact of practice times unless we can compare the construction of shows.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 23, 2020 12:02:03 GMT -6
Hey I’m only 4 years into Texas... I thought I’d learn some history- History of the UIL S.E. Mezes and E.D. Shurter The seeds of the UIL were planted in 1904, when Dr. S.E. Mezes, president of The University of Texas, decided the state's foremost university needed to be of service to the entire state. At the time, it was felt that unless an outreach program was initiated, the university would become elitist and isolated from society as a whole. Mezes dispatched William Sutton, dean of the school of education, to visit Wisconsin, which had the nation's premier extension department, offering reference libraries, specialists as lecturers and assorted other off-campus services. On June 7, 1909, Sutton described the "Wisconsin Plan" to the UT board of regents, which promptly allocated funds for the creation of the UT Extension Bureau. The next year, Dr. Mezes created the Debating League of Texas High Schools as part of the Extension Bureau. Twenty-eight schools joined the League, which came under the direction of Dr. E.D. Shurter. He also appointed Professor Charles Ramsdell to investigate the need for a high school athletic organization. After talking with public school officials, Professor Ramsdell suggested organizing an Interscholastic Athletic Association. The proposal was approved and the UIL's two parent organizations, the Debating League of Texas and the Interscholastic Athletic Association became operational. In 1913, the Debating League and the Athletic Association merged to form the University Interscholastic League, which was centered in the Bureau of Public School Services, then a part of The University of Texas Extension Division. Today, the League operates as part of the University of Texas, under the auspices of the Vice President for Diversity & Community Engagement. Since 1910, the records and achievements of state high school participants have justified the decision of the University to support this program of public school service. The UIL has grown into the largest interschool organization of its kind in the world, and is the envy of similar groups nationwide. The UIL exists to provide educational extracurricular academic, athletic, and music contests. So successful is the program that one of every two high school seniors has participated in a UIL event prior to graduation. The initials "UIL" have come to represent quality educational competition, administered by school people on an amateur and equitable basis. Taken from: www.uiltexas.org/historyWe practice marching basics in the summer ... but as far as I know the kids aren’t given dots until august 1st. And sectionals do count against the 8 hours once school starts. Have we mentioned the 100 degree weather practicing out on black asphalt parking lots yet? 🤔😂 Thank you for the research and info sharing. Still doesn't mean University should be part of the name - neither of the parent organizations included it. 100 degree weather (usually) doesn't start early in the morning - when I was in high school in Southern Nevada, our preseason sports and band practices were held at 6:00 a.m. to get in ahead of the heat of the day. Texas has that option, too. And now a question about (mandatory) sectionals that count against the 8 hour "limit." Would a (voluntary) "group lesson" - taught by percussion techs, attended by the entire battery, and focusing on portions of the current season show - count against the time? Inquiring minds want to know. "Still doesn't mean University should be part of the name..." - Why do you seem offended? What does it matter? It may not be 100 in the mornings, but for the majority of the state the humidity is still there. It does not cool off overnight like it does in the desert, so there is NO comparison. Any practice time that it mandatory would be included in the 8-hour limit, including sectionals. Any time - outside of the school day - that is led by staff or techs counts. Any reputable band staff takes the 8-hour rule very seriously, tracks it faithfully and does not attempt to skirt it.
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Post by paddy on May 23, 2020 12:04:43 GMT -6
Any reputable band staff takes the 8-hour rule very seriously, tracks it faithfully and does not attempt to skirt it.
I believe this, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t areas of gray in the conversation. As I asked in another thread: What does school day band class look like? How many kids have a study hall?
And the 8 hour rules has exceptions built in to it.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 23, 2020 12:17:00 GMT -6
Any reputable band staff takes the 8-hour rule very seriously, tracks it faithfully and does not attempt to skirt it. I believe this, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t areas of gray in the conversation. As I asked in another thread: What does school day band class look like? How many kids have a study hall? And the 8 hour rules has exceptions built in to it. I’m sure each school varies. Our Highschool is on a split day schedule. Red/Green Day’s. Kids have red day 1,2,3,4th periods... and then the next day have Green Day 1,2,3,4th periods. Band is double blocked so they go to band every day- but the band is spread out in 3 different class periods. Some in 1st, some in 2nd and some in 4th. Seniors can have an early release or late arrival on their schedule if they have enough credits to be on track for graduation. Most don’t have study halls. They have a 15 min advisory 2 or 3 days a week. Also 9th grade is at a different campus- and take a 20 minute bus shuttle to the main campus for band, or back to the 9th campus after, and after school to get to the main campus if band isn’t 4th period. Our previous school had 7 class periods, all of band was in 1st period together. Every school/district probably varies.
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Post by paddy on May 23, 2020 12:23:24 GMT -6
Any reputable band staff takes the 8-hour rule very seriously, tracks it faithfully and does not attempt to skirt it. I believe this, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t areas of gray in the conversation. As I asked in another thread: What does school day band class look like? How many kids have a study hall? And the 8 hour rules has exceptions built in to it. I’m sure each school varies. Our Highschool is on a split day schedule. Red/Green Day’s. Kids have red day 1,2,3,4th periods... and then the next day have Green Day 1,2,3,4th periods. Band is double blocked so they go to band every day- but the band is spread out in 3 different class periods. Some in 1st, some in 2nd and some in 4th. Seniors can have an early release or late arrival on their schedule if they have enough credits to be on track for graduation. Most don’t have study halls. They have a 15 min advisory 2 or 3 days a week. Also 9th grade is at a different campus- and take a 20 minute bus shuttle to the main campus for band, or back to the 9th campus after, and after school to get to the main campus if band isn’t 4th period. Our previous school had 7 class periods, all of band was in 1st period together. Every school/district probably varies. And what do they do in band? If band is double blocked (even if it is broken in to smaller groups) that is 7-8 hours of school day time/week of band. Surely some of that time is spent on the marching band show.
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Post by WoodlandsMom4ever on May 23, 2020 12:32:58 GMT -6
I’m sure each school varies. Our Highschool is on a split day schedule. Red/Green Day’s. Kids have red day 1,2,3,4th periods... and then the next day have Green Day 1,2,3,4th periods. Band is double blocked so they go to band every day- but the band is spread out in 3 different class periods. Some in 1st, some in 2nd and some in 4th. Seniors can have an early release or late arrival on their schedule if they have enough credits to be on track for graduation. Most don’t have study halls. They have a 15 min advisory 2 or 3 days a week. Also 9th grade is at a different campus- and take a 20 minute bus shuttle to the main campus for band, or back to the 9th campus after, and after school to get to the main campus if band isn’t 4th period. Our previous school had 7 class periods, all of band was in 1st period together. Every school/district probably varies. And what do they do in band? If band is double blocked (even if it is broken in to smaller groups) that is 7-8 hours of school day time/week of band. Surely some of that time is spent on the marching band show. Yes, they work on music. They do some choreography, they may work on marching technique... but they don’t have any area I’m aware of to work on actual specific dots... or spacing like they can out on the parking lot that has the field lines painted on it. (And is covered in cars until an hour after school gets out).
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 12:52:20 GMT -6
Y’all have all lost me completely now. What is the gist of the argument here? Is there an argument? Why does it matter so much what our governing body is called and the rules they make for Texas bands? I’m just trying to get to the crux of the matter. If there actually is one. 🤷🏻♀️
For me, here’s the bottom line. When you go to these competitions, regardless of which state they are held in or the quality of the venue, do you enjoy yourselves? Do you see things on the field that cause you to feel something? Are you inspired by these incredible kids and what they’re capable of? Do some performances, regardless of which state is represented, move you to tears? Cause you to jump to your feet in sheer jubilation over what you just saw and heard? Do you love marching band and get a crazy fulfilling feeling just watching these groups evolve during the season and seeing them peak at just the right time? Are you amazed every single year at what a bunch of 14 - 18 year olds can accomplish and perfect in just a few short months?
If you are so wrapped up in and annoyed by things like drill design quality, choice of music books, rules imposed by state governing bodies, etc, and you have lost sight of what really matters here, then I would challenge you to take a step back and reevaluate. I don’t give a darn how many hours a week some adult says these kids should or shouldn’t practice. Or how complex their drill and/or music book is. I just think they’re amazing human beings doing amazing things, and I hope and pray that we never stop appreciating what they’re accomplishing every year.
And I can’t wait to see what’s next.
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Post by Samuel Culper on May 23, 2020 14:13:09 GMT -6
Any reputable band staff takes the 8-hour rule very seriously, tracks it faithfully and does not attempt to skirt it. I believe this, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t areas of gray in the conversation. As I asked in another thread: What does school day band class look like? How many kids have a study hall? And the 8 hour rules has exceptions built in to it. Yes, the 8-hour rule has exceptions. Nobody has argued otherwise. But I disagree with the notion that there are gray areas. Time during the school day does not count against the 8-hour limit. The whole point of the rule is to put a limit on extracurricular time, so that is consistent. The exceptions are days with a public performance. For a band that means a football game, contest or other publicised public event. So, IN THEORY, on a given weekend that could mean two additional hours of rehearsal, one Friday before a football game and one on Saturday before a contest. The reality is that those two hours rarely are fully utilized. It's just usually not practical. School ends at 4pm and the game kicks off at 7pm. You need time to eat, dress, load, etc and then travel to the stadium, where you typically try to arrive by 6:00 or 6:15. Really tough to squeeze and hour of rehearsal into that timeline. And on contest days, everything depends on you performance time and when you have to leave the school.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 15:17:30 GMT -6
"Still doesn't mean University should be part of the name..." - Why do you seem offended? What does it matter? Not offended, genuinely curious why University is part of the name for a high school organization. Maybe THE University of Texas (yes, I'm poking fun at the school in Columbus, Ohio that insists on emphasizing THE at the beginning of their name to the point of sounding ridiculous) wanted to keep "University" at the top of people's minds rather than either Tech or A&M. Every other state seems to have a State-Name High School Athletic Association (or some close variant on that).
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Post by paddy on May 23, 2020 15:23:10 GMT -6
Time during the school day does not count against the 8-hour limit. The whole point of the rule is to put a limit on extracurricular time, so that is consistent.
Except very few people talk about this when they preach about the finite limits of the 8 hour rule.
That is what I mean by gray. It is portrayed that Texas marching band is accomplished within the 8 hour extracurricular period. It isn’t since some of the school day time is used as well (as described by at least 3 posters). And yes, I understand that you aren’t having full band practice during the day, but there is time for sectional and individual work (music and choreography) which happened in an extra-curricular setting for me and my students. Band class was for concert or jazz band, not a time to woodshed marching band show components. We had fall concerts to prepare for so there wasn’t time during the day for marching band.
It is simply 2 different approaches to the same goal of a rich and exciting marching band show.
And for LeanderMom, I’m not trying to get at anything in particular other than an open and honest exchange of how things work in various places.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 15:27:00 GMT -6
I’m trying to figure out if you genuinely want to know something specific here or if you’re just being an ass. You aren’t normally the latter so I’ll chalk it up to something else. I'm trying to truly understand what DOES and DOES NOT count toward the "8 hour rule" we hear so much about. When you don't count set up, warm up, and teardown time in the rehearsal totals and add in-school music rehearsal (which doesn't happen very much elsewhere) it sounds like Texas schools spend similar total time practicing as those elsewhere. Thanks to all for confirming this.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 15:28:43 GMT -6
Wow. We’ve solved some real first world problems today.
Next?
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 15:35:47 GMT -6
And for LeanderMom, I’m not trying to get at anything in particular other than an open and honest exchange of how things work in various places. LeanderMomma was talking to me, on that one paddy.
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 15:36:58 GMT -6
Wow. We’ve solved some real first world problems today. Next? Why do they STILL refer to the haven't-played-a-game-IN-Dallas-forever Cowboys "America's Team?"
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Post by paddy on May 23, 2020 15:46:54 GMT -6
And for LeanderMom, I’m not trying to get at anything in particular other than an open and honest exchange of how things work in various places. LeanderMomma was talking to me, on that one paddy. That’s fine because I’ve been trying to figure out the same thing for a while now.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 15:48:39 GMT -6
Wow. We’ve solved some real first world problems today. Next? Why do they STILL refer to the haven't-played-a-game-IN-Dallas-forever Cowboys "America's Team?" You got me there. I’m a Memphis girl and I’ve never been a Cowboys fan. The only Texas team I can say that I truly love with all my ♥️ is the Texas Rangers.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 15:50:01 GMT -6
And for LeanderMom, I’m not trying to get at anything in particular other than an open and honest exchange of how things work in various places. LeanderMomma was talking to me, on that one paddy. Actually I was talking to several of y’all.
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Post by LeanderMomma on May 23, 2020 15:53:36 GMT -6
Actually I was talking to several of y’all. Or spoken in true Southern, “all y’all.” Dang kids better start behavin fore I git me a switch!
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Post by hewhowaits on May 23, 2020 20:06:20 GMT -6
Actually I was talking to several of y’all. I hope you weren't referring to any others "being an ass." If it was just ME - no harm, no foul. If it was others, we might have to have some moderator discussion about a personal attack!
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